Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:59:35 +1030 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat <chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: doc "renovation" project volunteer Message-ID: <19980321115935.52589@freebie.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <19980320132440.15913@follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:24:40PM %2B0100 References: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980318181025.10998A-100000@andrsn.stanford.edu> <Pine.BSF.3.95q.980318223140.316G-100000@barnowl.roost.net> <19980319163714.47520@welearn.com.au> <3510DD9B.1591459B@dal.net> <19980319212405.55520@welearn.com.au> <35118D5A.6CA23B79@dal.net> <19980320223201.63694@welearn.com.au> <19980320132440.15913@follo.net>
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(moved to -chat. This isn't really a documentation issue any more) On Fri, 20 March 1998 at 13:24:40 +0100, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 10:32:02PM +1100, Sue Blake wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 01:25:46PM -0800, Studded wrote: >> >>> Errrr... no. At least for me if I have something to say to the newbies >>> list about docs I will say it directly to them and ask them to respond >>> directly to me, or to this list as appropriate. >> >> This threat is unwelcome. If you are saying that you intend to make this as >> difficult as you possibly can, to the point of acting wilfully against the >> purposes of a mailing list, then I suggest you have picked the wrong person, >> the wrong list, and the wrong day. You did your best to stop the newbies >> from having their own list, and now you want to make use of them for your >> own convenience at the risk of destroying their enclave. > > So you're basically saying that if I were to send a message to > newbies@freebsd.org (or whatever the list is called - it's not in the > handbook, which it _should_ be) with > --- > (snip) > --- > > then I'm invading your space and attempting to exploit you? I don't agree with Sue's terminology, but I can understand what she's trying to achieve. I don't necessarily agree with the division of the mailing lists, but during the discussion we had about this on -chat a few weeks back, it became apparent that there could be a need for a mailing list where newbies could discuss without being preempted by experienced users. Sue has described her own concerns in this matter in vivid detail; maybe there are others like her. I'm still not convinced that this is going to work. For example, at the moment I notice a significant resistance to the policy "talk on -newbies, questions on -questions". If the -newbies list stays, it will probably have a permanent effect on -questions and possibly on -hackers and -chat. In addition, a number of self-styled newbies (including Sue :-) don't seem to be as newbie as I would have expected. But I think that it needs to find its own feet, and as a result I'm (currently) respecting Sue's wishes and not making my presence known on the list. I think we need to review this in, say, a week's time. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message
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