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Date:      Fri, 12 Jun 2015 15:32:28 +0530
From:      Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in>
To:        Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com>
Cc:        Matthew Pherigo <hybrid120@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: randall hyde's high level assembly!
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On 2015-06-12 15:11, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in>
> wrote:
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>> On 2015-06-12 11:24, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Mayuresh Kathe
>> <mayuresh@kathe.in>
>> wrote:
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>> On 2015-06-12 11:04, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in>
>> wrote:
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>> hi matthew,
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>> no luck, I got the following message;
>> root@www:~ # pkg install hla
>> Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue...
>> FreeBSD repository is up-to-date.
>> All repositories are up-to-date.
>> pkg: No packages available to install matching 'hla' have been
>> found in the repositories
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>> `uname -a` gives me the following;
>> FreeBSD www.kathe.in [1] [1] [1] 10.1-RELEASE-p10 FreeBSD
>> 10.1-RELEASE-p10
>> #0: Wed May 13 06:54:13 UTC 2015
>> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>> amd64
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>> `freebsd-version` gives me the following;
>> 10.1-RELEASE-p11
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>> anything i might be doing wrong?
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>> ~mayuresh
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>> On 2015-06-12 09:26, Matthew Pherigo wrote:
>> Hey Mayuresh,
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>> There's actually a port in the tree already! 'pkg install hla'
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>> --Matt
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>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 5:52 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in>
>> wrote:
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>> has anyone been successful at working with randall hyde's high
>> level assembly toolkit under freebsd 10.x?
>> http://www.plantation-productions.com/Webster/ [2] [2] [2] claims
>> to
>> have a
>> pre-built archive, but one that fails to assemble the binaries. :(
>>=20
>> ~mayuresh
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> Is hla able to generate 64-bit machine code for amd64 ?
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>> It seems that it is for 32-bits , i.e. i386 .
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>> i have been able to run and test 'hla' under amd64 systems running
>> ubuntu.
>> any particular reason why it will not run under freebsd 64-bit?
>> one of the things that could be a problem might be the "assembler"
>> itself, i couldn't find "gas" or an equivalent under freebsd.
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>> ~mayuresh
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>> Can you use Nasm ?
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>> CD /USR/PORTS/DEVEL/NASM
>> MAKE INSTALL
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>> http://forum.nasm.us/index.php?topic=3D1283.0 [3] [3]
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>  thanks for that tip mehmet, much appreciate it.
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>  i hadn't known about "nasm", looking it up led me to a book on
> assembly language programming by jeff duntemann, which seems to be a
> lot more realistic than the one by randall hyde.
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>  again, thanks a million mehmet. :)
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>  ~mayuresh
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> 64 bits operating systems are different from 32 bits operating systems
> .
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> During working with assemblers , it is necessary to distinguish this
> feature .
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> In a 64 bits operating system , if 32 bits programs will be used , it
> is necessary to have 32 bits libraries and support by the operating
> system .
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> This means that you can not execute 32 bits programs in a 64 bits
> operating system without such support .
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> In the following page :
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> http://www.duntemann.com/assembly.html [4]
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> read
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> "If You Have a 64-Bit PC..."
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> the especially .
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> "64-Bit PC" is misleading : It should be "64-Bit Operating System" .
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> Both Intel and AMD x86 processors mainly support both 32 and 64 bit
> operating systems : They are able to execute 32 and 64 bit
> instructions .
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> Therefore , important points are bit size of ( 32 or 64 ) operating
> system , and handling capability of this feature by compilers and
> availability of libraries , and support by the operating system .
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> It is necessary to have information about 64 bit assembly programming
> in an 64 bit operating system .
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> http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Intel-Assembly-Language-Programming/=
dp/1478119209/ref=3Dpd_sim_14_1?ie=3DUTF8&refRID=3D15NZ1SBWCZAMH1X6KPZG
> [5]
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> Introduction to 64 Bit Intel Assembly Language Programming for Linux:
> Second Edition Paperback =E2=80=93 June 23, 2012
> by Benjamin Ray Seyfarth (Author)

mehmet, thanks for the link to that book by benjamin ray seyfarth.

my objective for learning assembly was to understand the inner workings=20
of the machine, but i guess that could get accomplished with a good=20
understanding of "machine organization".

randall hyde's "write great code (vol 1)" is an excellent book on=20
"machine organization", just that one of the languages used for example=20
code is 'hla' and hence my inquiry into support for running 'hla' under=20
freebsd.

best,

~mayuresh




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