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Date:      Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:40:14 -0800
From:      David Schultz <dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU>
To:        "Gary W. Swearingen" <swear@blarg.net>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Why dual boot?
Message-ID:  <20020126164014.B810@HAL9000.wox.org>
In-Reply-To: <y4wuy46bza.uy4@localhost.localdomain>; from swear@blarg.net on Sat, Jan 26, 2002 at 01:25:45PM -0800
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Thus spake Gary W. Swearingen <swear@blarg.net>:
> 
> I'd be great to have an automatic multiple-booterizer, but I think there
> are better things to develop, mainly because I think the number of
> people who should use it would be small.  Few (mostly laptop users) with
> M$Win installed can't easily buy a cheap, small, even used, second disk
> for a dedicated FreeBSD install.  Few of them should risk loosing their
> M$Win when moving it around on the disk.  Very few of them would be
> willing to back up or able to restore their M$Win.  Even those who ARE
> willing will spread the news that FreeBSD blew out their M$Win when it
> happens due to bugs or drained battery or other hardware failure.

Multiboot works just fine right now, but it's not going to resize your
NTFS partition for you.  I previously argued that effort would be
better spent fixing other things that can go wrong with the install,
but Terry sez resizing NTFS should be easy.

>  Most of those few who can't use a dedicated disk can at least get a
> good taste of FreeBSD by booting off a CDROM into a memory-based
> FreeBSD.  That experience could be greatly improved if someone would
> make one of those systems that puts FreeBSD filesystems into M$Win
> files (which has likely already been done), esp. if they could write
> some M$Win code to pre-size the fs files and run the defragger
> before making the FS in the file during the FreeBSD install.

That would be a neat idea, and it couldn't be hard to implement.
After all, we can already create filesystems in memory.  Nevertheless,
there are too many levels of indirection.  It would only be a
marketing gimmick, not something suitable for long-term use.  At some
point, the installer needs to work.



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