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Date:      Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:08:57 +0200 (EET)
From:      Achilleus Mantzios <achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com>
To:        Panagiotis Astithas <past@ebs.gr>
Cc:        java@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FW: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
Message-ID:  <Pine.LNX.4.44.0501071054270.16858-100000@matrix.gatewaynet.com>
In-Reply-To: <41DE4504.5040300@ebs.gr>

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O Panagiotis Astithas έγραψε στις Jan 7, 2005 :

> Achilleus Mantzios wrote:
> > First off, Good Year to anyone.
> > 
> > I'd like to share my thoughts on the FreeBSD binary java distribution
> > and the FreeBSD Foundation issue.
> > 
> > I pretty much acklowledge the efforts of the FBSDF, as well as
> > that the diablo jdk13 is the only one achievement of the FBSDF, at least 
> > as it presented
> > in their site. Also ,the funding of Alexey's work was essential
> > in the viability of the jdk14 port.
> > 
> > However, as another person said, freebsd users
> > only use the port and not the binary.
> > And taking into account the many areas of need in the rest of
> > the system in its current status (5-STABLE, CURRENT),
> > i think it would make sense to save the money that was supposed
> > to go to SUN, for funding development of other areas in the system.
> > 
> > Most users are quite happy with jdk14 i suppose.
> 
> Although I am one of those users happily using the jdk14 port, I can't 
> say that I find the situation satisfying. When I am trying to pitch a 
> Java solution on FreeBSD to a customer I have to ask them to have the 
> jdk preinstalled for me, since I can't legally redistribute it. Clients 
> who don't have an existing FreeBSD installation or don't care about the 
> solution's underlying OS (which is why they usually pick Java in the 
> first place), wonder why on earth they should not go with Linux instead.

If they dont already have an existing FreeBSD installation, then
probably it makes zero sense to have one just for deploying a java app.
And to go further, If they dont already have an existing linux 
installation, the analogy still holds.
It depends on the nature of the application.
Lets say, If its a large system and the particular customer
is a FreeBSD user already, then it wouldn't cost too much
to have their admin (or you) spend 2 hours building jdk14.
Otherwise if the customer has decided to go with his/her
(other) OS of choice, then he/she is totally enitled to live
with it.

> 
> For developer's like myself the port is fine. For managers (either 
> selling or bying products) it is a nightmare. Personally, I consider 
> Alexey's financial support and the binary distribution license as the 
> most important thing that the FreeBSD Foundation has ever done for the 
> future of the community.
> 
> Cheers,
> Panagiotis
> 

-- 
-Achilleus



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