Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:11:38 -0400 From: epilogue@allstream.net To: Lloyd Hayes <wyoming_antelope@yahoo.com> Cc: FreeBSD Org <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: FreeBSD weakness. Message-ID: <20040621081138.54b49c61@localhost> In-Reply-To: <40D6876E.8050005@yahoo.com> References: <40D484A2.2080602@yahoo.com> <40D496C7.3090908@wcborstel.nl> <1087677031.834.99.camel@compass.straycat.dhs.org> <40D6876E.8050005@yahoo.com>
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:59:58 -0600 Lloyd Hayes <wyoming_antelope@yahoo.com> wrote: > >Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft. > >BSD is for people who love Unix. > > Under these conditions, I guess that I need to go for Linux... > > Seriously, one thing that catches my attention is that I don't see any > really great differences between the BSD (Any version) and the Linux > community. In doing some reading, it appears that the people at KDE and Hello Lloyd, I can't help but piping in here with my (er, someone else's) 2 cents. For a nice overview of the fundamental differences (and similarities) between FreeBSD and Linux-choose-your-flavour, take a gander at the following article... http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php It is a well written and rewarding read which presents (IMHO) a fair and balanced take on the matter. I have had only 'thanks' from those to whom I have provided the link. Hope that this provides you with a footing solid enough to make a comfortable and informed decision. Cheers, epi > Gnome, as well as many others, have this same thought. I was actually > pointed in the FreeBSD direction by a magazine writer whom I was > communicating with about the future of Linux. We talked by email and he > thought that FreeBSD had to most promise of a good future. He suggested > that I should check FreeBSD out. > > Understand that learning UNIX is not my end goal. It may happen in the > process, but being a master of the UNIX system is not my end goal. Nor > is writing programs my goal. I wrote a ton of programs 20 years ago, but > I haven't written a single line of code in 10 years. I have no wish to > work in an IT shop anywhere. My goal is simply to keep some of my older > computers useful. I care less about which operating system I am using as > long as it does the job that I want. This business of buying new > computers every year or two is a Micro$oft idea. It is also an idea that > needs to be re-thought. > > Micro$oft is great about jumping onto new technology with half-baked > software. When they get close to fixing their software, then they > abandon it for new technology and more half-baked software expecting > people to buy the new hardware/software. It's a system that Micro$oft > can't be beaten at. I simply think that it is time for a change. > > (I'm not against new ideas. But I hate keeping up with Mr. Gates.) > > Lloyd Hayes > > Email: wyoming_antelope@yahoo.com > URL: http://TalkingStaff.bravehost.com > E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590 > Web Journal: http://lloyd_hayes.bravejournal.com/ > > > > Tom McLaughlin wrote: > > >On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 15:40, Jorn Argelo wrote: > > > > > >>Lloyd Hayes wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I finally decided that I needed to get more information on FreeBSD. I > >>>got it up and running, then I did something else and I start getting > >>>errors again.... > >>> > >>>So I just ordered 3 books on FreeBSD from Amazon. In most of the > >>>reviews posted there about the books, people were complaining about > >>>weak documentation, too much information about things that they were > >>>not interested in, and errors in the in the books which seems to be > >>>the most common complaint. In my very short recent history with > >>>FreeBSD, I've formed the opinion that documenting FreeBSD is it's > >>>greatest weakness. FreeBSD needs someone who can actually type to > >>>write a good book for beginners who have never seen UNIX code. A book > >>>is needed with examples that actually WORK! Examples that are > >>>explained in plain English. There seems to be very few books on > >>>FreeBSD around. > >>> > >>> > >>Beginners who never seen UNIX coude shouldn't start with FreeBSD in the > >>first place, if you ask me. They should start Mandrake Linux or SuSe or > >>something of the sorts. FreeBSD isn't made to make an "user friendly" > >>operating system, as Mandrake Linux is aiming at. You just have to know > >>some Unix stuff before you even start with FreeBSD. > >> > >> > > > >I would have to disgree having my first *nix experience five years ago > >with Mandrake and switching to FreeBSD a number of months ago. I > >switched to FreeBSD because I felt my unix skills were getting rusty. > >When I started with Mandrake I did most of my system configuration and > >administration from the command line and I learned a lot of unix in > >those first few years. > > > >Over time with the inclusion of more GUI based tools that became > >harder. Files seemed to keep moving or configuration was spread across > >too many files. I believe you end up becomming too dependant on the > >distribution specific configuration tools with Linux and you don't > >truely learn the system. For anyone who really wants to learn unix the > >BSDs are the place to start. > > > >Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft. > >BSD is for people who love Unix. > > > >Tom > > > > > > > >>I have the book on the below link, and I must say it is very very good. > >>Good examples and clearly elaborated, though it lacks in-depth > >>information, which might be handy for more advanced users. It's good > >for >beginners who are comfortable in a Unix or Linux enviroment. Why > >don't >you give that one a shot? > >> > >>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072224096/104-0798845-8 > >369533?v=glance> > >>And what about our own FreeBSD Handbook? Don't tell me that that is > >bad, >because there is book that can beat it if you ask me. > >> > >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ > >> > >>Cheers, > >> > >>Jorn > >>_______________________________________________ > >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >
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