From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 24 20:07:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48E725C5 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x231.google.com (mail-yk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04A94306 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f177.google.com with SMTP id q200so16005185ykb.8 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:07:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:disposition-notification-to :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=tm/OJ8KPNCce3JmnxlKTU47TAw5SB12b2hOKDb1YXGo=; b=uXdbr67L8q9V1lVqxBAI8haVVhoA8usYSkCjUTzwMu5txwO8/27kA6f28i+oNMkj8t 5jm3Dop0LtPpuBBidUQ3jVJic/os9yLt5XPpUv1pLvJ2rX684GGnVGvra0U6+FJl7NLS aE8u9xKrzIXZR1BNT5Lw/g9er3xZvqmwSkurcydbgqs3uTLWyJJvhtzeUlEnRInvj+SY LHXO0HMD32Gepft8nPE8eCgz+DAYYhAO034zTf1Lx+zsHLctPtj4v490ZGkhSRBCtueP gSJ/CLj2ujnDlNRCphMJB5WuD0r6s/z1oycwg8/kYYZFUWAjAvDOI3p2hfJyb1f5gEox 6Pxw== X-Received: by 10.236.150.68 with SMTP id y44mr4856967yhj.113.1395691630215; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.6.46] ([179.184.51.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q9sm24831060yhk.16.2014.03.24.13.07.06 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Few reasons to stay with BSD From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20140323093356.4cff19e9@X220.alogt.com> References: <53287821.4040209@freebsd.org> <5328A03A.3000305@freebsd.org> <532DD2EB.1080204@freebsd.org> <20140323083145.198f9536@X220.alogt.com> <20140323093356.4cff19e9@X220.alogt.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 17:07:04 -0300 Message-ID: <1395691624.12268.27.camel@lenovo.toontown> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:07:11 -0000 FreeBSD is still much better, until 7.X there was pkg_* for a system with few packages ( less than 100) it worked. but as the system goes beyound 1000 packages, pkg_* becomes very slow, and broken. pkg, solved the problem, of working with freebsd if you work WITH pkg, and not against. See my case, for example, I have hundreds of users, that runs 8.X, 9.X and now 10.X. all of them uses gnome 2.32 and software written from gtk2, glade2, python2.... The system have more than 1000 packages, last count shows 1032.. and are updated once a week, everything works.. Some of them uses windows software that now runs on Virtualbox under FreeBSD. I have my OWN server (indeed, 2) for 9.X and 10.X, and all the other servers do is pkg upgrade -y sometimes they update about 1GB (in the case of libconv, for example) and everything works as expected.. If I used pkg_* plus portupgrade or portmaster in each server, that woud be impossible to mantain.. pkg really made FreeBSD usable for hundreds of servers. I have some linux on notebooks, that now the FreeBSD have KMS, are being moved to FreeBSD too. On the notebooks (using archlinux), kernel 3.12.3 the notebooks must have a "cold start" from time to time (once a day), if not, the disk access becomes too slow to the point it is useless.. so a cold start resolv the problem.. besides, the software layout that is now all in /usr/bin, the inittab is now systemd, the syslog is journal... and the file system is still ext4, as zfs for inux is not for production yet.. Today, as the machines are powerfull, you can buy an 32 core system with 1TB of memory, 12TB of disk for less than US$10,000. What you will do??? Install windows 8?? no way, windows 2012??? microsoft says it is unstable, 2008??? perhaps, 2003?? phased out.. how many users will you put in an Microsoft OS?? at what price??? A FreeBSD server running several windows 2008, can handle 200 users (20 users per OS) using Virtualbox and ISCSI. Never stops, never breaks, you can buy ONE windows 2008 and install the other 99 by cloning the machine. Here the EULA says I must use ONE windows 2008 licence in ONE machine, does not mention what to do if I Activate 100 time the SAME image of an OVA. or VHD. (the same for windows 2012). Linux is good??? for sure!!, but FreeBSD+ZFS is better..