Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:18:33 +0300 From: Lev Serebryakov <lev@FreeBSD.org> To: Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>, Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca>, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <57166869.90805@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <57165E96.4040302@freebsd.org> References: <20160302235429.GD75641@FreeBSD.org> <57152CE5.5050500@FreeBSD.org> <9D4B9C8B-41D7-42BC-B436-D23EFFF60261@ixsystems.com> <20160418191425.GW1554@FreeBSD.org> <571533B8.6090109@freebsd.org> <20160418194010.GX1554@FreeBSD.org> <57153E80.4080800@FreeBSD.org> <571551AB.4070203@freebsd.org> <5715772A.3070306@freebsd.org> <571588BB.2070803@orthanc.ca> <201604190201.u3J216NQ054020@orthanc.ca> <5715968B.303@orthanc.ca> <5715A338.5060009@freebsd.org> <57165C91.7070005@freebsd.org> <57165E96.4040302@freebsd.org>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --l4LVBCmfFldA5WATWVlHSKsuIiVMlpsOc Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="CinENeBHGIxQO3CnAIpP9T2a8brQOGGlM" From: Lev Serebryakov <lev@FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org To: Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>, Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca>, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <57166869.90805@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) References: <20160302235429.GD75641@FreeBSD.org> <57152CE5.5050500@FreeBSD.org> <9D4B9C8B-41D7-42BC-B436-D23EFFF60261@ixsystems.com> <20160418191425.GW1554@FreeBSD.org> <571533B8.6090109@freebsd.org> <20160418194010.GX1554@FreeBSD.org> <57153E80.4080800@FreeBSD.org> <571551AB.4070203@freebsd.org> <5715772A.3070306@freebsd.org> <571588BB.2070803@orthanc.ca> <201604190201.u3J216NQ054020@orthanc.ca> <5715968B.303@orthanc.ca> <5715A338.5060009@freebsd.org> <57165C91.7070005@freebsd.org> <57165E96.4040302@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <57165E96.4040302@freebsd.org> --CinENeBHGIxQO3CnAIpP9T2a8brQOGGlM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19.04.2016 19:36, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > Why is this even happening in email? If folks want "the right solution= " > then why aren't they submitting patches or pull requests to the pkg rep= o > (or where ever this is stored?). This seems counter-intuitive, but > really actually should be how it works.=20 Ops should send patches with non-trivial code? Please, keep it in mind: here are thousands of SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS / OPS (not fancy and trendy DevOps), who will use (and praise or suffer) new packaged system. Many of them understand, what is good and what is bad for them, but they CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT code in C and "submit patches". Now your, effectively, say "we are interested only in opinions of developers, not end-users". It is wtong-wrong-wrong. It is what Slawa try to tell: not developers will support thousands of servers which will have 755 packages only for base system, but admins and ops, and they have OTHER priorities over developers. And, of course, most of them could not send high-quality patches to such complex pieces of software as pkg or FreeBSD build system. --=20 // Lev Serebryakov --CinENeBHGIxQO3CnAIpP9T2a8brQOGGlM-- --l4LVBCmfFldA5WATWVlHSKsuIiVMlpsOc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJXFmhpXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRGOTZEMUNBMEI1RjQzMThCNjc0QjMzMEFF QUIwM0M1OEJGREM0NzhGAAoJEOqwPFi/3EeProMQAIqL/RH7qQdjgcVLn6uvvXZA 0vXuHOJ9EzaIkdu4fXR4hMBA0nrg2TPoWb9ANnjYmU5p6Bgjc8jPD6ks6bUBBxuK Je9OygMo1oQEJj4i5MZiEaiuSOzcNCl+VuLKgqWi5pf8xcQoyWCN4Mt/xyfN32h9 hDXtMtN6ucnzdOF9OGdTcgoDwpuOJ6cAuz6S5WrI4YiGQL3HVFVY7S7bAwsuz/05 gQ7Y8NMvBswlogRAySwH2M76twEbT5EVsckH+u7C25rZmZjEXROSo87D/j5ASsUK 3ZWyODy6wJMafvb0/3QhN5toaoqrkGQOeCc7RZM2WZHmoNR4O4jcd7SLIP4RQ1W0 qFEKohdAKqoI2Wqn5k6fW3ugPyba9Dt9sI5vo6ogPH+HfjkaQKfqnmnN+KMNYWTU IkoqR7HkxJH4nF4nhIGf28ZK7+ZuFWrl29fJaDK53QZBonj43uzuhvobYulsnVJA y6aIG/ZHXbVVRCrS36B8fM5icuSyF+ovQ5vCMiS95fyNTCUo22naIWXFwiDHP7yp 2KzQTpqm+lVudkji/ynoOTNkUIqVXRE6s7/HzYFropQEJ1pwTKrDFFEpcQjrUHOT A0LESk6isdoyWa4YlZNsW4zmQ9AKMTHhb4GoDYi/ks4oykRufTcF8YlAeY5eimkG Ka/wh61eq7cu59Ys7/9A =08yf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --l4LVBCmfFldA5WATWVlHSKsuIiVMlpsOc--
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