From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 18:05:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D5EF1D754 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 18:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x230.google.com (mail-ua0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEA5882DB7 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 18:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x230.google.com with SMTP id w3so4801437uaj.6 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:05:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=XbIXW2zwth2nB2LrJm+Lnaar6JeHHHxptdw+vDMX6oo=; b=SgNt3u8wAn7lAGs0egXNwOJk/kMahJDV19EVoVhY+JKy0wD/kuG/gp/DZ1DFUQTuDQ DgLsUUY/WlOpAlRu53yRsNZmsUZ1puykE1WDttUIJf341z68SDvLjJAm3mO2qg/TGwsU TksdZ3WHfTfFfh5uzy78u6j4E9h7lzfridFPdlJ6alSajzj59hhfX2l7BvNJmwjqnrQ6 uZhJECl87pedil43cAF3UkqVLs7L22VQYb0xulTfwtW/3SPAz+pHNuddBobGlqyqDJXq ma1dZuMCOXdfE/7JJyqjzA27NFv/FGVriOSzZqDxemBQvpGvGVqMXDi/t9JoNBLYoc3Z mYQQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XbIXW2zwth2nB2LrJm+Lnaar6JeHHHxptdw+vDMX6oo=; b=jyopmNm/IGqc84kS857oyLZdb/n82x4GF1WL4/QsNlSu0YUpjovO4BgULFhi4jZcqC 0E28U2MnwQ2kxQvpTn0OQU40cu3fYGiLXSha0v9zRUylgahbWEmiQkKL11j/y36ZTeSX CI8alqdx6FHrdOYaVIbLEeXmbJzO/9EwNrSwTMfehfJsT4h5YerqzoVBqYMKa1aVqZlv miQPfbFpuuMs2EqBrTEyeD3AQvoRq60gZES4bllW8XZ7GcDF54qX1MtqAj8Hk+rP+G4g gYd5bfwsAsfOX6HQuXhDlRisuWU0gyyYnFVNXHg2h1sbO/qslkOOQEbO5DawaiYgLdC7 yCkg== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCiYvuMIBxpr9lZtd0KTUVE5ytkvxCesQk1603cLGXFwAl1Kc0O 5mfAe+DeTkjjPj3Eh9lMnh5cj737aXZ4f0Fwo2pnEw0u X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225oSLPiK12zbDDXI2Pu8jJJ8IxDIwoMOO2N9RINoIvXvBVQJYcXkmI3mTiqPfFCShWoQQGxodZEGk/j96Uixjo= X-Received: by 10.159.54.47 with SMTP id r44mr9506240uad.133.1518977153031; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:05:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: kob6558@gmail.com Received: by 10.103.39.199 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:05:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20180218154004.GD32429@home.opsec.eu> References: <20180218150821.GA27577@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> <20180218153426.GC32429@home.opsec.eu> <20180218154004.GD32429@home.opsec.eu> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:05:52 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Nam2pBjlgr-WwYCD_8MP5mkPPe4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: graphics/evince To: Kurt Jaeger Cc: The Doctor , FreeBSD Ports ML Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 18:05:54 -0000 On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 7:40 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > > > Who is suppose to keep this up to date? > > A vague group called gnome. > > Which has many open PRs, and unfortunatly a bad track record 8-( > > In the wiki we find: > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Gnome#Team_Members > > If you can provide a patch, I can testbuild and commit... ? To be honest, almost all work on gnome for the past five years has been by Koop. With limited time and Gnome expanding to more and more ports, advancement has ground to a near halt. And the increasingly Linux-centric code in Gnome has made it much worse. While many continue to fight it, systemd is slowly gripping the interface between Gnome and the overall system. After over 2 decades of gnome, I am seriously looking at KDE... not because of the mess of Gnome3 (I run MATE), but because of broken system interfaces. For example, since te last update to Gnome,I can no longer close my laptop while on battery without it suspending. Really annoying and worse because every few suspends, it does not resume. On Linux there is a power management tool to fix this, but it does not exist on FreeBSD because the underlying system interface needs to be ported. It may not really be difficult (or it might be), but until someone can get the time to it... It's not easy work and it is well beyond my capabilities. The last heroic effort at this job was done by marcus@ with a strong assist from mezz@, but they have largely moved on even if this are still listed as a part of the gnome team. (Have not seen anything from mezz in years.) And, after all of their work over the years, I would not ask them to do it again, especially as I know both were working on this entirely on their own time. If anyone in the Gnome community is willing to work on fixing the problems, please think about helping, If not, Gnome will bitrot away. And that impacts things that don't even seem like Gnome. E.g. Freetype -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683