From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu May 24 16:02:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2F6EF66FE for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 16:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E7F174F8C; Thu, 24 May 2018 16:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34ABDAD03; Thu, 24 May 2018 16:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 16:02:34 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Philip Homburg , "K. Macy" , "A. Wilcox" , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: [RFC] Deprecation and removal of the drm2 driver Message-ID: <20180524160234.GD68014@FreeBSD.org> References: <20180523155255.GF24664@FreeBSD.org> <201805241522.w4OFMCeK041051@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q0rSlbzrZN6k9QnT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201805241522.w4OFMCeK041051@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 16:02:37 -0000 --Q0rSlbzrZN6k9QnT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 08:22:12AM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 11:48:38AM +0200, Philip Homburg wrote: > > > >Also as the Moore's law curve flattens expect the life of these > > > >older, but not so old, machines to live quiet some time. I > > > >believe we are talking sandy bridge and earlier? If that is > > > >corret Sandy bridge is still a very viable system. > > >=20 > > > I noticed this lack of love for older systems recently.=20 > > >=20 > > > I wanted to use an older Dell server to test the 11.2 BETAs and RCs. > > >=20 > > > Turns out, you can't install FreeBSD using a USB stick image because = the > > > BIOS only support MBR. No idea why MBR support was dropped for the US= B images. > > >=20 > > > In the end I had to find a CD burner, and after a couple of tries man= aged to > > > install from CD. > > >=20 > > > After that, my ansible playbooks started failing because /boot/loader= =2Econf=20 > > > is absent if you boot from zfs in combination with MBR. > > >=20 > > > Pity. This older server hardware is great for trying out new releases= , play=20 > > > with zfs, etc. > >=20 > > The disc1.iso (as well as bootonly.iso and dvd1.iso) images are now > > built as hybrid images, supporting both MBR and GPT, as well as being > > written to a flash drive (like memstick.img) as well as a CD. >=20 > To clarify a minor point here, are the amd64 disc1.iso images or > both the amd64 and i386 disk1.iso images being built as "hybrid"? >=20 Only amd64. i386 does not have UEFI-/GPT-related boot issues. > As this is what I see on my system: > root@x230a:/home/ISO/x # file FreeBSD-11.2-BETA2-* > FreeBSD-11.2-BETA2-amd64-disc1.iso: DOS/MBR boot sector; partition 1 : ID= =3D0xee, start-CHS (0x0,0,2), end-CHS (0x3ff,255,63), startsector 1, 147269= 5 sectors > FreeBSD-11.2-BETA2-i386-disc1.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data '11_2= _BETA2_I386_CD' (bootable) >=20 > > MBR support was initially removed from the memstick installer, as it is > > not compatible with some UEFI implementations. (Or, at least that is my > > understanding, based on my limited intimate knowledge of UEFI.) > >=20 Glen --Q0rSlbzrZN6k9QnT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEjRJAPC5sqwhs9k2jAxRYpUeP4pMFAlsG4hUACgkQAxRYpUeP 4pPLbxAAjnNxQLimvBDcjp3zbAR6oKI4q4ZsQs4CBL7F4zE4FmcYojan0cy4vIRS rcimj8Rgq3iOA9up8jGUbd9bC2MUs+gkJ7Cnl5hIS8MZK4CkxtreHPng6V10Nnih PKjTjulnRO3/AjvY+Rog4Xqwskkrz5gvnEL9PDKOMnok7QfOxY657Gjy/e78YxZJ Bh4KikHh/stYUpfDZ+eaIF3HzJY1pr2s7gY10WZTbUoBPhkGGhOjDJHFDTLuXuqt VO3641qn6lktMgxK0RfKV22coB78EaaA5YXIcFHMsKa3dp3My+qY9YRGNWGjhF/v 2MJ2B8LvaGHcxx9yN89q3s+zX+IE0SU2F2rQTZ7o7OeTDWm8mVot8SOzsqrNudIg NSzLmYNZJvkOZRgrdkEmFtwJD6TAUthxHDb2jRZvn0iDa1cLZc5IecGmHYCTwJHo GWoUqxAZ/UvNiZ48p7p1QEG74S2pC/wSdkS/Gh0n/8vQJtnmE/N3dhGH1KtvAN0z j93ZKVDUB6XIsGDwXZ/UZAFynFW4ATma5mSJP9iz7uFTn0Pt0WqcFY4W33fIu5Ht D+M6h5XVpmoFW6jqNWv571dFtfCAVWQP7etBg+CwsgkK0whSBCJrEGrjAXXXH9GP w+dnP7yVfH4jEQWMbW/l9ZS2Qa0yrXVRygPZx6ivaRn7/25W+tI= =gzDj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q0rSlbzrZN6k9QnT--