From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 00:14:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3274106564A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:14:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B728FC08 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyx56 with SMTP id x56so3399935wey.13 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:14:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xbkw6V37WRQ298MJHsdKAhJhz3bv1Zwm4IGFl0Z27HY=; b=NyiQB2X32zwsl9bcisZ0Wf8vSzWwoDzTnjy8bEqicciMEScD4AMnSJaLrSB2DE55I3 pE6XEF2JTOlZ/TARCGqZVMMk8UCo2300rm0owkE/Ran8YrPBdnzUpajXXUGkULgeyERd ZVusL7Z+2rWjJjxaneZMnv+sMZvcm0izvJaNAJl5v93MCzEgCzAduIKaBHOXNm+DNOAB 7nWEkHhhe9U82apyKJmAz9R2QzDxpJH5fq/0QwDyNk+DBQISH0nDBnTix+QhPEajaa2k dD1VwdgYlFbTRJHLG4evUmiRl+mYRHVG0+NZGtGy9piB/3nYPPOEQLiqrxbgCRlhAgqh yZpQ== Received: by 10.216.116.70 with SMTP id f48mr3353163weh.162.1343520871357; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w7sm7399899wiz.0.2012.07.28.17.14.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:14:26 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120729011426.0d31fe19@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:14:33 -0000 On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:22:11 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > The read-cache idea is very sound, mainly because by using it this > > way Seagate would not have to create a special set of instructions > > for installing and using the HDD. >=20 > I don't think that this drive cache is smart enough to really cache > needed things and not flush that cache with useless data too often. >=20 =46rom what I've read the cache is divided into two part. One part holds blocks that are consistently read during boot-ups. The other part holds short runs of data that have been read off the disk with long access times. There's an oldish FAQ here:=20 http://forums.seagate.com/t5/Momentus-XT-Momentus-Momentus/Momentus-XT-Freq= uently-Asked-Questions/m-p/52701 Note question 6 "Internal tests were conducted using a script that mimics 250GB of data written to the drive every day for 5 years, and the Flash in Seagate=E2=80=99s unique solution showed no signs of degredation. If the Flash ever fails, the data is never lost because it is mirrored to the disk and the drive would continue to operate as a traditional 7200RPM drive with 32MB of DRAM cache." >=20 > > My final question would be : > >=20 > > Seeing as the HDD only has a SATA connector, this would mean that > > the SSD part already has a memory control device that regulates > > access to that sector, whether it is a plain read-cache or not. > > This would imply that FreeBSD could communicate with the HDD > > normally, through the SATA connector, just like any regular HDD. >=20 > indeed. >=20 > Such a drive is a good idea, but complete lack of documentation (how > it operate) is not. >=20 > You have to guess how this SSD-cache works because it is not > documented. Well, it is intended to be completely transparent. >=20 > the other thing is erasing data. You want to sell that drive and > clear your data by >=20 > dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/disk bs=3D1m >=20 > but does it clear SSD cache? That isn't guaranteed to clear any modern disk since they started using spare sectors > i don't think so. Someone sophisticated=20 > enough would perform raw read of cache chips and get cached data, > which can actually be the most important part=20 If you're that paranoid use geli, or don't sell.=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 00:57:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE94106564A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kickbsd@yandex.com) Received: from forward19.mail.yandex.net (forward19.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1402::4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D455E8FC08 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web13g.yandex.ru (web13g.yandex.ru [95.108.252.113]) by forward19.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 3D5D81120C96; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 04:57:44 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1343523464; bh=gu7vXYVKJmbjVlGmHsgl8IJ2Ns6XwzltcYXXEoL+MLo=; h=From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-Id: Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; b=HKEHyJHes4u+psu3DqmCyNLLnKzfRT64skqJRVKXfgsimSJn4tBydSbQJCSaIENm2 bAXXKUlA9c7XafeyXsYPNSpVkEpWmzdmGscj8VEW+eS0zxR4JlzNXEsQIXK2zbWFIz i0j1UOfDZ4rIipGBx/RSHiMNJo0MzLHfU4Z3jnuI= Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web13g.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id DB089C90044; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 04:57:43 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1343523464; bh=gu7vXYVKJmbjVlGmHsgl8IJ2Ns6XwzltcYXXEoL+MLo=; h=From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-Id: Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; b=HKEHyJHes4u+psu3DqmCyNLLnKzfRT64skqJRVKXfgsimSJn4tBydSbQJCSaIENm2 bAXXKUlA9c7XafeyXsYPNSpVkEpWmzdmGscj8VEW+eS0zxR4JlzNXEsQIXK2zbWFIz i0j1UOfDZ4rIipGBx/RSHiMNJo0MzLHfU4Z3jnuI= Received: from dsl-67-212-16-252.acanac.net (dsl-67-212-16-252.acanac.net [67.212.16.252]) by web13g.yandex.ru with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 04:57:43 +0400 From: Darren Baginski To: Matthias Petermann In-Reply-To: <20120728222924.fd879867.matthias@d2ux.net> References: <20120728114643.ff0b536f.matthias@d2ux.net> <173631343481231@web3g.yandex.ru> <170531343481888@web19g.yandex.ru> <20120728222924.fd879867.matthias@d2ux.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <290701343523463@web13g.yandex.ru> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 04:57:43 +0400 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: bsdinstall to jail aborted (9.0-RELEASE-p3, amd64) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:57:46 -0000 29.07.2012, 00:29, "Matthias Petermann" : > Hi Darren, > > thanks for diving into the issue. I looked through the mentioned places in the bsdinstall code and understand it now. > > On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:24:48 +0400 > Darren Baginski wrote: > >> šI thing release/arch selection has to be a part of the installer, either directly or via environment variables. > > Yes, I think so too. I guess there usually no FTP directories created for patch level releases like 9.0-RELEASE-p3? Your proposal to introduce a new environment variable like TARGET makes sense. This could work like an override - when it is not set it can fall back to the default (using uname -r which makes sense for the installation media). > > Should I file a PR or did you already? No, feel free to open if you feel it needed. I would say it's more a feature request, but without it, bsdinstall not usable on non release environments. > > Thanks, > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Petermann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 09:37:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DFF106564A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93B68FC0A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBEAA2.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.234.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q6T9ZZml003209; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:35:36 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q6T9ZNjK015564; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:35:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6T9Z5Yn088214; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:35:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201207290935.q6T9Z5Yn088214@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Jens Schweikhardt From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:17:37 +0200." <20120728201737.GA1965@schweikhardt.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:35:05 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: acroread9 makes CPU spin (busy loop?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:37:47 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: Jens Schweikhardt > Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:17:37 +0200 > Message-id: <20120728201737.GA1965@schweikhardt.net> Jens Schweikhardt wrote: > hello, world\n > > I'm wondering if it's just here or if other people also observe that > acroread9 makes the CPU spin at 100% (one load point), as if in a busy > loop. Yup, I saw similar about a year ago, I didnt look at numbers but acroread9 is awfully slow, or more accurately it was the PDF I was editing for UK government tax return (**.) I recall reading it was also awfully slow on MS. I never use it except when I have to (**) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from Yahoo & Hotmail dumped @Berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ http://http://sysadminday.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 11:29:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B960106564A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:29:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB89C8FC14 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6TBTWEa003924; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:29:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q6TB5AKw003863; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:05:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:05:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <20120729064846.3bc37892@AMD620.ovitrap.com> Message-ID: References: <20120729064846.3bc37892@AMD620.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:29:35 +0200 (CEST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Vladimir Videscu Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:29:38 -0000 > > You will have to read afterwards the same 8GB over and over again to > make the drive believe that you want to have these 8GB faster. and do it randomly. disk is for sure smart enough to not cache long linear reads . > > How to make sure that the data is really cached? > There is no way. true. That's why i don't like such solution. And such drive is very expensive. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 11:29:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96736106566C for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:29:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8098FC12 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6TBTWEU003924; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:29:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q6TB6acI003864; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:06:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:06:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: RW In-Reply-To: <20120729011426.0d31fe19@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: References: <20120729011426.0d31fe19@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:29:33 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:29:38 -0000 > From what I've read the cache is divided into two part. One part holds > blocks that are consistently read during boot-ups. The other part holds how does it know when it is "bootup" and when it ends? >> documented. > > Well, it is intended to be completely transparent. transparency is one, documentation is another. >> but does it clear SSD cache? > > That isn't guaranteed to clear any modern disk since they started using > spare sectors so? >> i don't think so. Someone sophisticated >> enough would perform raw read of cache chips and get cached data, >> which can actually be the most important part > > If you're that paranoid use geli, or don't sell. of course i use geli. and this is not a paranoia. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 11:29:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F678106566B for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D201A8FC15 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6TBTWEY003924; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:29:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q6TB7LMG003865; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:07:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:07:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Julian H. Stacey" In-Reply-To: <201207290935.q6T9Z5Yn088214@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: References: <201207290935.q6T9Z5Yn088214@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:29:34 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD questions , Jens Schweikhardt Subject: Re: acroread9 makes CPU spin (busy loop?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:29:39 -0000 > acroread9 is awfully slow, or more accurately it was the PDF I was > editing for UK government tax return (**.) I recall reading it was > also awfully slow on MS. I never use it except when I have to (**) > true. braindamaged PDFs are the only reason to use this bulky software. xpdf do everything else - at least 5 times faster From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 11:39:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8050D106566B for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225C08FC17 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AMD620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q6TBd6EW030929; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 05:39:12 -0600 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:41:38 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20120729184138.1bae7d81@AMD620.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20120729064846.3bc37892@AMD620.ovitrap.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Vladimir Videscu Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:39:22 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:05:10 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > You will have to read afterwards the same 8GB over and over again to > > make the drive believe that you want to have these 8GB faster. > > and do it randomly. disk is for sure smart enough to not cache long > linear reads . > > > > > How to make sure that the data is really cached? > > There is no way. > true. > > That's why i don't like such solution. And such drive is very > expensive. > past tense. When I was shopping last month I saw a significant drop in the price of these drives. I would have bought one if its height would have been 7mm. I do not know if it was mistake by the dealer or what else caused the sudden drop. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 11:45:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C31F106566C for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:45:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954318FC0A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AMD620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q6TBjKfV032082; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 05:45:25 -0600 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:47:51 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20120729184751.46b9d3a6@AMD620.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20120729011426.0d31fe19@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:45:30 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:06:35 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > From what I've read the cache is divided into two part. One part > > holds blocks that are consistently read during boot-ups. The other > > part holds > > how does it know when it is "bootup" and when it ends? after a reset signal, it assumes that the machine restarts. As the space is limited, it simply fills a fixed percentage with all the reads after a reset. > > >> documented. > > > > Well, it is intended to be completely transparent. > > transparency is one, documentation is another. Does it matter? It is a black box. > >> but does it clear SSD cache? > > > > That isn't guaranteed to clear any modern disk since they started > > using spare sectors > so? > So, no real difference. > >> i don't think so. Someone sophisticated > >> enough would perform raw read of cache chips and get cached data, > >> which can actually be the most important part > > > > If you're that paranoid use geli, or don't sell. > of course i use geli. and this is not a paranoia. What then? No Dobermann in the house? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 13:00:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E1A1065680 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:00:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve.johansson@telia.com) Received: from smtp.bredband2.com (smtp.bredband2.com [83.219.192.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95B68FC19 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r200.stevo.se (c-89-160-25-122.cust.bredband2.com [89.160.25.122]) (Authenticated sender: ef2527) by smtp.bredband2.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1288F56B7 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:00:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.12] ( [192.168.2.12]) by r200.stevo.se (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b4a2003a (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128) for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:00:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan Johansson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:00:24 +0200 Message-Id: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: mpt(4) enabling write cache on raw disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:00:28 -0000 Hello! I have a HP 3080X SAS/SATA 8 port mpt(4) controller card that I want to = use in a ZFS setup. My problem is that the write cache is not enabled on disks that are not = a part of a RAID volume (RAID0 or RAID1). The write speed is limited to about 20MB/s with both UFS and ZFS. If I create a RAID0 volume with mptutil(8) and then destroy it, write = cache gets enabled and the write speed reaches about 60MB/s with UFS and = ZFS.=20 Unfortunately it won't survive a reboot. Has anyone else seen this problem with mpt(4) controllers and/or knows = how to fix it? Regards Stefan dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2012 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights = reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jan 3 07:46:30 UTC 2012 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz (3000.17-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin =3D "GenuineIntel" Id =3D 0xf4a Family =3D f Model =3D 4 = Stepping =3D 10 = Features=3D0xbfebfbff Features2=3D0x641d AMD Features=3D0x20000800 AMD Features2=3D0x1 TSC: P-state invariant real memory =3D 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory =3D 4103331840 (3913 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 400 ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 1 core(s) x 2 HTT threads cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP/HT): APIC ID: 1 ACPI Warning: Invalid length for Pm1aControlBlock: 32, using default 16 = (20110527/tbfadt-638) ioapic1: Changing APIC ID to 9 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 24-47 on motherboard ioapic2 irqs 48-71 on motherboard ioapic3 irqs 72-95 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-safe" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 850 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x908-0x90b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 pcib0: on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 2.0 on pci0 pci5: on pcib1 pcib2: at device 0.0 on pci5 pci6: on pcib2 ciss0: port 0x5000-0x50ff mem = 0xfddf0000-0xfddf1fff,0xfdd80000-0xfddbffff irq 48 at device 1.0 on pci6 ciss0: PERFORMANT Transport ciss0: got 0 MSI messages] pcib3: at device 0.2 on pci5 pci9: on pcib3 mpt0: port 0x6000-0x60ff mem = 0xfdef0000-0xfdef3fff,0xfdee0000-0xfdeeffff irq 72 at device 2.0 on pci9 mpt0: MPI Version=3D1.5.16.0 mpt0: Capabilities: ( RAID-0 RAID-1E RAID-1 ) mpt0: 0 Active Volumes (2 Max) mpt0: 0 Hidden Drive Members (10 Max) pcib4: at device 4.0 on pci0 pci13: on pcib4 siis0: port 0x7000-0x707f mem = 0xfdff0000-0xfdff007f,0xfdfe0000-0xfdfe3fff irq 16 at device 0.0 on = pci13 siisch0: at channel 0 on siis0 siisch1: at channel 1 on siis0 pcib5: at device 6.0 on pci0 pci16: on pcib5 pcib6: at device 28.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib6 re0: port 0x4000-0x40ff mem = 0xfdcf0000-0xfdcf00ff irq 26 at device 2.0 on pci2 re0: Chip rev. 0x10000000 re0: MAC rev. 0x00000000 miibus0: on re0 rgephy0: PHY 1 on = miibus0 rgephy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, = 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, = 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, = 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow re0: Ethernet address: 00:21:91:11:dd:fd mpt1: port 0x4400-0x44ff mem = 0xfdcc0000-0xfdcdffff,0xfdca0000-0xfdcbffff irq 24 at device 3.0 on pci2 mpt1: MPI Version=3D1.2.14.0 mpt2: port 0x4800-0x48ff mem = 0xfdc80000-0xfdc9ffff,0xfdc60000-0xfdc7ffff irq 25 at device 3.1 on pci2 mpt2: MPI Version=3D1.2.14.0 uhci0: port 0x2000-0x201f irq 16 at = device 29.0 on pci0 usbus0: on uhci0 uhci1: port 0x2020-0x203f irq 19 at = device 29.1 on pci0 usbus1: on uhci1 pci0: at device 29.4 (no driver attached) ehci0: mem 0xfbee0000-0xfbee03ff irq = 23 at device 29.7 on pci0 usbus2: EHCI version 1.0 usbus2: on ehci0 pcib7: at device 30.0 on pci0 pcib7: failed to allocate initial I/O port window: 0x1000-0x3fff pci1: on pcib7 bge0: mem = 0xfdbf0000-0xfdbfffff irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci1 bge0: CHIP ID 0x00003003; ASIC REV 0x03; CHIP REV 0x30; PCI miibus1: on bge0 brgphy0: PHY 1 on miibus1 brgphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, = 1000baseT-master, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, auto, auto-flow bge0: Ethernet address: 00:19:bb:23:a5:04 vgapci0: port 0x3000-0x30ff mem = 0xfc000000-0xfcffffff,0xfbff0000-0xfbff0fff at device 3.0 on pci1 pci1: at device 4.0 (no driver attached) pci1: at device 4.2 (no driver attached) isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port = 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x500-0x50f irq 18 at device 31.1 on = pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata1: on atapci0 atapci1: port = 0x2040-0x2047,0x2048-0x204b,0x2050-0x2057,0x2058-0x205b,0x2060-0x206f = irq 18 at device 31.2 on pci0 ata2: on atapci1 ata3: on atapci1 acpi_tz0: on acpi0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77d irq 7 drq 0 on acpi0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode ppbus0: on ppc0 plip0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 fdc0: port 0x3f2-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on = acpi0 fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=3D0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on = isa0 atrtc0: at port 0x70 irq 8 on isa0 Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 uart1: at port 0x2f8-0x2ff = irq 3 on isa0 p4tcc0: on cpu0 p4tcc1: on cpu1 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec (noperiph:siisch1:0:-1:-1): rescan already queued usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus2: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub0: on usbus0 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub1: on usbus1 ugen2.1: at usbus2 uhub2: on usbus2 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered ugen1.2: at usbus1 ukbd0: on usbus1 kbd2 at ukbd0 uhid0: on usbus1 ada0 at siisch1 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ATA-7 SATA 2.x device ada0: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 512bytes) ada0: 29439MB (60292512 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C) ada0: Previously was known as ad6 da0 at ciss0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-0 device=20 da0: 135.168MB/s transfers da0: Command Queueing enabled da0: 69459MB (142253280 512 byte sectors: 255H 32S/T 17433C) da1 at mpt0 bus 0 scbus3 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-5 device=20 da1: 300.000MB/s transfers da1: Command Queueing enabled da1: 1907729MB (3907029168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 243201C) da2 at mpt0 bus 0 scbus3 target 2 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-5 device=20 da2: 300.000MB/s transfers da2: Command Queueing enabled da2: 1907729MB (3907029168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 243201C) SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! Timecounter "TSC-low" frequency 11719418 Hz quality 1000 cd0 at ata1 bus 0 scbus10 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device=20 cd0: 33.300MB/s transfers (UDMA2, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 65534bytes) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present = - tray closed Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/da0p2 [rw]... ZFS NOTICE: Prefetch is disabled by default if less than 4GB of RAM is = present; to enable, add "vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable=3D0" to = /boot/loader.conf. ZFS filesystem version 5 ZFS storage pool version 28= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 16:36:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C247106566B for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1B58FC12 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:36:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 27915224 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:58 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6TGZvIH023248 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:58 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q6TGZvjW023247 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:57 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:57 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120729163557.GA23103@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20120727104308.GA4834@catflap.slightlystrange.org> <20120727204732.c143bc3d.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120727204732.c143bc3d.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: On-access AV scanning X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:36:07 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > Surely it would be better for the company that has _admitted_ > to have had more than one significant infection to do the > simplest, most stupid and absolutely basic tasks: Sorry for the offtopic, but from my experience, the risk of virus infection on can be greatly reduced by two simple steps: 1. Users should not have administrative privileges on their systems. 2. A software restriction policy (SRP) should be configured which allows the execution of files only from the %windir% and "Program Files". Such a SRP is the Windows equivalent of "mount -o noexec" only it is more versatile. As a user without administrative privileges has no possibility to put files into the %windir% and "Program Files", and no code can run from other places such as flash drives and browser downloads, these two measures combined are very effective. With these two simple measures, I was able to prevent virus infection on Windows hosts with a very high risk (such as public computers in a summer children's camp). -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 16:49:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AE0106566C for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:49:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615A78FC0C for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6TGn4DX007209; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:49:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q6TGn3ia007206; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:49:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:49:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <20120729184751.46b9d3a6@AMD620.ovitrap.com> Message-ID: References: <20120729011426.0d31fe19@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120729184751.46b9d3a6@AMD620.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:49:04 +0200 (CEST) Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:49:09 -0000 > > Does it matter? It is a black box. yes it matters. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 18:03:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E52106564A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:03:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc3-s5.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s5.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035EE8FC0A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP347 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s5.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:03:07 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [180.215.70.245] X-Originating-Email: [bourne.identity@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([180.215.70.245]) by BLU0-SMTP347.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:03:04 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:06 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com, Matthias Apitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2012 18:03:06.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[67784AD0:01CD6DB4] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to get Huawei EC1561 USB modem working under FreeBSD, 8.2? Moving on to the next problem :-) -> Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:03:09 -0000 Hi, Thanks for your inputs. I have finally got FreeBSD to speak to the internet. Now I have one more problem before I can live in peace. I am fond of a game hosted via the Discovery channel's website : http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html The game needs Adobe flash player. So I installed linux-f10-flashplugin11. But firefox 5.0 does not seem to integrate with it well. I then tried installing a couple of more ports, including swfdec and gnash. Still firefox won't play the game. Is there something special I need to do ? 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm7298621ank.2.2012.07.29.11.31.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3WlXZ446ttz2CG62 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:31:56 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120729143156.67013c5e@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl2T5way/JI9XlYaSi1H0hvytQPs2ouGLxmwYgcH9Kd8A3VFejVv0qp8CDXp4MHTInvZVTX Subject: Re: How to get Huawei EC1561 USB modem working under FreeBSD, 8.2? Moving on to the next problem :-) -> Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:32:00 -0000 On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:06 +0530 Manish Jain articulated: > Thanks for your inputs. I have finally got FreeBSD to speak to the > internet. Now I have one more problem before I can live in peace. I > am fond of a game hosted via the Discovery channel's website : > > http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html > > The game needs Adobe flash player. So I installed > linux-f10-flashplugin11. But firefox 5.0 does not seem to integrate > with it well. I then tried installing a couple of more ports, > including swfdec and gnash. Still firefox won't play the game. > > Is there something special I need to do ? Thanks for any help. I feel your pain. I have had less than stellar success with getting a large number of sites to interact correctly with Firefox on FreeBSD when flash was involved, and sometimes even when it wasn't. I have heard that Opera works better but I have no personal knowledge of it. I finally gave up awhile ago. I just use my Windows machine when I absolutely, positively have to get a site working correctly. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff and golf is a lot more fun. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 19:23:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFE2106564A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 861D58FC0A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jul 2012 19:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us009) with SMTP; 29 Jul 2012 15:23:38 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18npo4jYfQnTuul+c5MMZty0N25ShRAvjlrCcGAMQ 7Ew1X8v8Xkn9Gj Message-ID: <50158DB7.4030707@mail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:23:35 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD References: <20120729143156.67013c5e@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120729143156.67013c5e@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: How to get Huawei EC1561 USB modem working under FreeBSD, 8.2? Moving on to the next problem :-) -> Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:23:45 -0000 On 07/29/2012 21:31, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:06 +0530 > Manish Jain articulated: > >> Thanks for your inputs. I have finally got FreeBSD to speak to the >> internet. Now I have one more problem before I can live in peace. I >> am fond of a game hosted via the Discovery channel's website : >> >> http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html >> >> The game needs Adobe flash player. So I installed >> linux-f10-flashplugin11. But firefox 5.0 does not seem to integrate >> with it well. I then tried installing a couple of more ports, >> including swfdec and gnash. Still firefox won't play the game. >> >> Is there something special I need to do ? Thanks for any help. > I feel your pain. I have had less than stellar success with getting a > large number of sites to interact correctly with Firefox on FreeBSD when > flash was involved, and sometimes even when it wasn't. I have heard > that Opera works better but I have no personal knowledge of it. I > finally gave up awhile ago. I just use my Windows machine when I > absolutely, positively have to get a site working correctly. Life is > too short to sweat the small stuff and golf is a lot more fun. > I have chromium-15.0.874.121 with linux-f10-flashplugin-11.1r102.55, and I set them up as described in the FreeBSD Handbook, and they work OK for me. True, I'm not much into games (don't use online games at all) but otherwise I've not experienced any problem with sites that use Flash, including Youtube. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 19:30:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE06F106564A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7025C8FC12 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jul 2012 19:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us011) with SMTP; 29 Jul 2012 15:30:01 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19FunMeLEdFinv0f7DSp0YE9KphS8HDioLVw7wlu4 FYpauYK3bf11x9 Message-ID: <50158F37.4040904@mail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:29:59 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD References: <20120729143156.67013c5e@scorpio> <50158DB7.4030707@mail.com> In-Reply-To: <50158DB7.4030707@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: How to get Huawei EC1561 USB modem working under FreeBSD, 8.2? Moving on to the next problem :-) -> Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:30:03 -0000 On 07/29/2012 22:23, Jeff Tipton wrote: > On 07/29/2012 21:31, Jerry wrote: >> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:06 +0530 >> Manish Jain articulated: >> >>> Thanks for your inputs. I have finally got FreeBSD to speak to the >>> internet. Now I have one more problem before I can live in peace. I >>> am fond of a game hosted via the Discovery channel's website : >>> >>> http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html >>> >>> The game needs Adobe flash player. So I installed >>> linux-f10-flashplugin11. But firefox 5.0 does not seem to integrate >>> with it well. I then tried installing a couple of more ports, >>> including swfdec and gnash. Still firefox won't play the game. >>> >>> Is there something special I need to do ? Thanks for any help. >> I feel your pain. I have had less than stellar success with getting a >> large number of sites to interact correctly with Firefox on FreeBSD when >> flash was involved, and sometimes even when it wasn't. I have heard >> that Opera works better but I have no personal knowledge of it. I >> finally gave up awhile ago. I just use my Windows machine when I >> absolutely, positively have to get a site working correctly. Life is >> too short to sweat the small stuff and golf is a lot more fun. >> > I have chromium-15.0.874.121 with linux-f10-flashplugin-11.1r102.55, > and I set them up as described in the FreeBSD Handbook, and they work > OK for me. True, I'm not much into games (don't use online games at > all) but otherwise I've not experienced any problem with sites that > use Flash, including Youtube. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" P.S. And yes, my midori-0.4.2, too, works well with Flash. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 22:01:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42548106566B for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@d2ux.net) Received: from h1907788.stratoserver.net (h1907788.stratoserver.net [85.214.252.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4358FC17 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by h1907788.stratoserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E4F401C002; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:01:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from h1907788.stratoserver.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h1907788.stratoserver.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n-lGBM771+71; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:01:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaq (p5DDAA936.dip.t-dialin.net [93.218.169.54]) by h1907788.stratoserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F82401C001; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:01:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:01:59 +0200 From: Matthias Petermann To: Darren Baginski Message-Id: <20120730000159.dc539ba6.matthias@d2ux.net> In-Reply-To: <290701343523463@web13g.yandex.ru> References: <20120728114643.ff0b536f.matthias@d2ux.net> <173631343481231@web3g.yandex.ru> <170531343481888@web19g.yandex.ru> <20120728222924.fd879867.matthias@d2ux.net> <290701343523463@web13g.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.2 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: bsdinstall to jail aborted (9.0-RELEASE-p3, amd64) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:01:30 -0000 Hi Darren, On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 04:57:43 +0400 Darren Baginski wrote: > No, feel free to open if you feel it needed. > I would say it's more a feature request, but without it, bsdinstall not > usable on non release environments. thanks, I submitted the PR here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=170264 Kind regards, Matthias -- Matthias Petermann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 22:36:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AD4106564A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:36:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hanooter@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458B18FC0C for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyx56 with SMTP id x56so3842914wey.13 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:36:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oOnTAUvZXBeviMRYy/vMwBGXnQfLq6brPZt5kVEG42U=; b=HRD/y4atZi3OfZp4YpzJcGZCyCfCblqB09Emrl20warqD3NOJoragrQeZwrXwxm+N8 5jOoDX7tfTKHuKOIpzPpeHrmrOJJxX7GH+NtL9lWZQpiJNij2U1jlha/ANlpntvrFwVe UzZyePMxZTWT+WJUHbWUwSh8KOUhcRNyaJvd53UfiFqRUsdEbSLrpJdyZi/HhcAm2Pii bfdIoxE/4Vzsx7omMh/zc9atdyo2pm2W7ooLE0a/+YNKAgQFXj3NlVDU1L80/pWs0GrH DyEWnbD/oIf2LZ8qB4VkcbjLPTtmUlQdYjfYPpMG84Xt0W4yzTbPCdo/dbVxMk03PjU3 u4HA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.98.138 with SMTP id ei10mr21811208wib.1.1343601413300; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.5 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.5 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:36:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: Kyle Hanson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Where did my port go? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:36:54 -0000 So yesterday I spent all day compiling haskell-platform through ports which was successful. I installed and got my project ready to go, but when I rebooted I can't use any of my haskell commands. Where does ports install to? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 23:07:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B051106564A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC798FC0A for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33DA277D5; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:07:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q6TN7X5F002584; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:07:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:07:33 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Kyle Hanson Message-Id: <20120730010733.b3effdbf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where did my port go? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:07:41 -0000 On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:36:53 -0500, Kyle Hanson wrote: > So yesterday I spent all day compiling haskell-platform through ports which > was successful. I installed and got my project ready to go, but when I > rebooted I can't use any of my haskell commands. Where does ports install > to? You can find a list of everything a port will install in the ports package list file, pkg-plist, and search for entries beginning with "bin/" which typically are the binaries. A similar information can be obtained from the package database, /var/db/pkg//+CONTENTS; in this file, als search for lines beginning with "bin/" to find the binaries. However, I don't see a port "haskell-platform" on my systems (ports collection updated few days ago). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 23:14:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1061065670 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:14:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991998FC0C for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B0727609; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:14:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q6TNE0n3008518; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:14:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:14:00 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20120730011400.30928261.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201207290935.q6T9Z5Yn088214@fire.js.berklix.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , FreeBSD questions , Jens Schweikhardt Subject: Re: acroread9 makes CPU spin (busy loop?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:14:02 -0000 On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:07:21 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > acroread9 is awfully slow, or more accurately it was the PDF I was > > editing for UK government tax return (**.) I recall reading it was > > also awfully slow on MS. I never use it except when I have to (**) > > > true. braindamaged PDFs are the only reason to use this bulky software. Even if no file is opened, the load increases: PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 8465 poly 1 115 0 109M 62720K CPU0 0 1:08 87.35% acroread This state is reached in about a minute. Note: No file loaded, it's just the viewer program! > xpdf do everything else - at least 5 times faster I also prefer xpdf, and gv for specific cases. I'm almost sure the PDF viewers of KDE and Gnome are also capable of dealing with the most "extensions" that create braindamaged PDFs. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 29 23:14:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F2A1065676 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:14:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hanooter@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54B08FC23 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyx56 with SMTP id x56so3854886wey.13 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:14:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=D936GwMVUNgIEpmphF9mLaD01P7nHiuDyop70iri4EU=; b=xzaolEnZ7Q2ob6E1N6eZXp6yWsZhWcmIlixvxp8RD//s8OuM4W/CiLhHcvCTZHpIqU kZQFSSKRpQaPVCkC5CbBuOrciM5BLajkWVgGLSHXmhAIKvfJPDc6jrglvttVVS6goYcw IR/uJ76Xi9VpgwcmC5LUhYMa541Y+KtBt89+ma7XnngKGkj/g0D0WbZan/eIr2TEOlYc F4hvm0uNDUYpH8P9Dz8vZ/PLxLjCg+UlSBjKGTGK3UOt+Gj0pz59QDZuUrTWbr2A+Uhd 4n/Brgazw/3k5zOlBCmvv5G75lmT5Iea+81v40fh4xIgeknwQCuq9saZeVautu2muKSV CGsQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.81.38 with SMTP id w6mr21930033wix.10.1343603689007; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.5 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.5 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:14:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120730010733.b3effdbf.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120730010733.b3effdbf.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:14:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: Kyle Hanson To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where did my port go? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:14:50 -0000 Thanks for the response. I'll check when I get home. Its called hs-haskell-platform in devel for reference. On Jul 29, 2012 6:07 PM, "Polytropon" wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:36:53 -0500, Kyle Hanson wrote: > > So yesterday I spent all day compiling haskell-platform through ports > which > > was successful. I installed and got my project ready to go, but when I > > rebooted I can't use any of my haskell commands. Where does ports install > > to? > > You can find a list of everything a port will install > in the ports package list file, pkg-plist, and search > for entries beginning with "bin/" which typically are > the binaries. > > A similar information can be obtained from the package > database, /var/db/pkg//+CONTENTS; in this file, > als search for lines beginning with "bin/" to find > the binaries. > > However, I don't see a port "haskell-platform" on my > systems (ports collection updated few days ago). > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 00:09:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65492106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A608FC0C for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072BD23AB6; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:09:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q6U09BN9010579; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:09:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:09:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Kyle Hanson Message-Id: <20120730020911.e6dacfba.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20120730010733.b3effdbf.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where did my port go? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:09:13 -0000 On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:14:48 -0500, Kyle Hanson wrote: > Thanks for the response. I'll check when I get home. Its called > hs-haskell-platform in devel for reference. Allow me to add: Some ports do not directly install the binaries into $LOCALBASE/bin (/usr/local/bin typically), but instead into /usr/local//bin and then make a symlink. An example is gprolog: /usr/local/gprolog-1.4.0/bin/pl2wam /usr/local/gprolog-1.4.0/bin/gprolog In your case, it's not that easy because the specified port directory does not contain a package list, and the Makefile includes a different file from lang/ghc which contains some binary locations. That directory also contains a pkg-plist file which has entries such as bin/ghc bin/ghci bin/ghc-pkg bin/runhaskell bin/haddock-ghc-%%GHC_VERSION%% bin/ghci-%%GHC_VERSION%% bin/hsc2hs bin/ghc-pkg-%%GHC_VERSION%% bin/runghc bin/ghc-%%GHC_VERSION%% bin/hp2ps bin/hpc I'm quite confident that this is what you've been searching for. Again, depending on metaporting and dependency construction, the binaries may be recorded in /var/db/pkg as described in my previous message. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 00:34:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B148106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E558FC0A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AMD620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q6U0YQT9010216; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:34:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:52:24 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Kyle Hanson Message-ID: <20120730065224.6aca2e5d@AMD620.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where did my port go? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:34:51 -0000 Hi, whereis name will show where the program name is. Erich On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:36:53 -0500 Kyle Hanson wrote: > So yesterday I spent all day compiling haskell-platform through ports > which was successful. I installed and got my project ready to go, but > when I rebooted I can't use any of my haskell commands. Where does > ports install to? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 00:46:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F401106566B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC118FC08 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789472765E; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:46:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q6U0kDe4010717; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:46:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:46:13 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Erich Dollansky Message-Id: <20120730024613.96c8d2bb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120730065224.6aca2e5d@AMD620.ovitrap.com> References: <20120730065224.6aca2e5d@AMD620.ovitrap.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Kyle Hanson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where did my port go? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:46:15 -0000 On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:52:24 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > whereis name > > will show where the program name is. And "which " can work similarly, but you need to know the name to ask for. If it's not the same as the port name, you need to find it out first. This particular Haskell port werks that way: There is no "haskell" binary installed by that name. If the port installed is a metaport, you need to track some references (Makefile or pkg-plist) or check the info in the package database at /var/db/pkg. The port name in question was "hs-haskell-platform", and by doing the previously mentioned investigation, it's probably the "ghc" or "runhaskell" command. I'm not familiar with Haskell, so I can only guess. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 00:51:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C7E1065674 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:51:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hanooter@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E5C8FC18 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhm11 with SMTP id hm11so1015985wib.13 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:51:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=BQN0TPHdIOv06NEDYOOu/zlrD+85TDGBFQnlVEw0rvM=; b=aCDRrkl+MrDCaZacpSfbBzBecmLJVvH492EwzAGuS2cWlxupVsuxQ82hYj1VhseVWW 641XrWPkTGt7WyW3bzdzhKDmy4tw0UQvgWeUEXb+mW99LnsF1GJn8jjfognbrNYAhY42 RjmTnGgjvTUan1BlYklWbu/M2BX1UftG9gEZ/veJe2JSuHHZWECYdTIEJ5ktBh3cqNfY w1XibyDy79wWq6ppmj7NdRZIySdvQKca9EJLGDvoSt9tjzBV8UeMoNXJt/FuJLE8idCr /fIjBl5gfRg8lnrj+eOrhwtfTF06xUqo4mvqoVSwUB9np+p6P2hiHbZv97zD9iBt5Ca9 9X3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.241.198 with SMTP id g48mr4187874wer.161.1343609466899; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.5 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.5 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:51:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120730024613.96c8d2bb.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120730065224.6aca2e5d@AMD620.ovitrap.com> <20120730024613.96c8d2bb.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:51:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: Kyle Hanson Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Where did my port go? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:51:08 -0000 To clarify I could use the haskell commands "runhaskell" cabal etc yesterday. When I restarted my computer it can't find the command so I cant use where is. The commands disappeared. On Jul 29, 2012 7:46 PM, "Polytropon" wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:52:24 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > > > > whereis name > > > > will show where the program name is. > > And "which " can work similarly, but you need to know the > name to ask for. If it's not the same as the port name, you need > to find it out first. This particular Haskell port werks that > way: There is no "haskell" binary installed by that name. If > the port installed is a metaport, you need to track some > references (Makefile or pkg-plist) or check the info in the > package database at /var/db/pkg. > > The port name in question was "hs-haskell-platform", and by > doing the previously mentioned investigation, it's probably > the "ghc" or "runhaskell" command. I'm not familiar with > Haskell, so I can only guess. :-) > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 01:05:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A94B106566B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:05:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF648FC0A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120313CB6D; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:05:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q6U15Cr9010906; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:05:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:05:12 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Kyle Hanson Message-Id: <20120730030512.2296a738.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20120730065224.6aca2e5d@AMD620.ovitrap.com> <20120730024613.96c8d2bb.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where did my port go? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:05:24 -0000 On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:51:06 -0500, Kyle Hanson wrote: > To clarify I could use the haskell commands "runhaskell" cabal etc > yesterday. When I restarted my computer it can't find the command so I cant > use where is. The commands disappeared. Check the presence of /usr/local/bin/runhaskell. If it's not there, _repeat_ the port installation. Also check if the ghc port has been properly installed (as I assume that hs-haskell-platform depends on that. There is no reason why a command should disappear other than it has been deleted manually or by a deinstallation (either by ports infrastructure or pkg_delete). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 04:03:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AE2106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 04:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B6B8FC14 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 04:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q6U45OEd051971 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:05:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:05:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201207300405.q6U45OEd051971@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120730030512.2296a738.freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: Where did my port go? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 04:03:42 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 29 20:07:54 2012 > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:05:12 +0200 > From: Polytropon > To: Kyle Hanson > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Where did my port go? > > On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:51:06 -0500, Kyle Hanson wrote: > > To clarify I could use the haskell commands "runhaskell" cabal etc > > yesterday. When I restarted my computer it can't find the command so I cant > > use where is. The commands disappeared. > > Check the presence of /usr/local/bin/runhaskell. If it's > not there, _repeat_ the port installation. Also check if > the ghc port has been properly installed (as I assume > that hs-haskell-platform depends on that. There is no > reason why a command should disappear other than it has > been deleted manually or by a deinstallation (either by > ports infrastructure or pkg_delete). It is also _possible_ that the binaries were installed in some 'non-standard' location, with that location added to the path. The OP might try 'find / -name runhaskell -print' and see if it finds anything. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 05:02:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB801065679 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 05:02:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dacoder@dcoder.net) Received: from ns3.dcoder.net (ns3.dcoder.net [128.177.28.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9808FC08 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 05:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ns3.dcoder.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2EE235DAC4; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 00:53:08 -0400 From: david coder To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120730045308.GH7369@mail3.dcoder.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <196283DD-839D-45E2-8277-861CA590D871@airwired.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Firefox 14 build broken due to wrong libpng X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 05:02:54 -0000 same problem. so i rebuilt png w/ OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On firefox build still fails because of complaints about APNG. what am i missing here? i'm running 8.3, btw, less than a month old. david coder +++ Christian Weisgerber [27/07/12 19:19 +0000]: >Dan Allen wrote: > >> My build from ports of Firefox 14.0.1 dies in the configure script. It >> says that the system PNG library does not support APNGs. > >You need to rebuild graphics/png with the APNG option enabled. This >is the default now, but it wasn't until a year ago. So if you have >a system that has been upgraded for a long time, you probably >installed png, hit return for the default options and have been >stuck with APNG=off since then. > >You're not the first one to be bitten by this and you won't be the >last one. > >-- >Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 14:24:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BED106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@vindaloo.com) Received: from mail.lhr-its.com (natasha.lhr-its.com [64.204.249.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9106A8FC16 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from geonosis.vindaloo.com (ool-18e412d2.dyn.optonline.net [24.228.18.210]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lhr-its.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B37805C01B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:26b:223:6cff:fe80:3def] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:26b:223:6cff:fe80:3def]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by geonosis.vindaloo.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5AA18BB41; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:19:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hilton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:19:06 -0400 To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: Subject: Problem with pkgconf and glib. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:24:31 -0000 I'm trying to build emacs with gtk2 on my build box and I'm running into = trouble with pkgconf from /usr/ports/devel/pkgconf. The build process = dies in devel/gobject-introspection and complains that it cannot find = header files for gio-unix-2.0. =46rom what I can see the problem looks = like the fact that pkgconf is returning the wrong include path for these = header files, running: # pkg-config --variable=3Dincludedir gio-unix-2.0 returns: /usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include I'm not sure if this is part of the problem but it appears that pkgconf = returns one instance of "/usr/local/include" for each dependency listed = in the package. E.g. # pkg-config --variable=3Dincludedir glib-2.0=20 returns: "/usr/local/include" To repeat this problem I started with a fresh FreeBSD virtual machine = built from 8-STABLE, an empty /usr/local tree and an empty /var/db/pkg = directory. Then I traversed to /usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection = and did: # make install Any help would be appreciated. -- Chris =20 =20 Chris Hilton e: chris /at/ vindaloo /dot/ com=20= ------------------------------------------------------------------------=20= "All I was doing was trying to get home from work!"=20 -- Rosa Parks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 15:05:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193F2106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF94D8FC0A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 32354 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 2012 15:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host316.hostmonster.com) (74.220.215.116) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2012 15:03:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gjunka.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=2Y0C8s45RjMdBbwDTLFU1nGZ7VkGUHpo8y5L6ejByAQ=; b=qKEgG8csr/E+U0jjKLqj30DQ2WdkQw5UehyWWGCi7Hb1p9DE2RT/DU6+ZmaLGtYsD8JxFdLPRcxWGm5YzSe7DA23KDm33oc/Y5ke9XPBUB86nY5RWMgIHjt3wQp2uJ2Z; Received: from [92.40.254.228] (port=52411 helo=[192.168.0.51]) by host316.hostmonster.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SvrVX-00021W-SM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:03:44 -0600 Message-ID: <5016A24C.6050508@gjunka.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:03:40 +0100 From: Grzegorz Junka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {630:host316.hostmonster.com:gjunkaco:gjunka.com} {sentby:smtp auth 92.40.254.228 authed with list1+gjunka.com} Subject: Resolvconf with FreeBSD jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:05:56 -0000 FreeBSD 9 uses resolvconf tool to manage the resolv.conf file. How can I make it working with FreeBSD jails? In my case I am moving my laptop between networks and every time I boot FreeBSD it gets assigned a different DNS server. The file /etc/resolv.conf gets updated but the same file in each of the jails is not. I need resolv.conf in each jail in order for that jail to connect to the external network. I tried to make a link from resolv.conf in a jail to the same file in the host system, but inside jail the link doesn't work. I could copy the resolv.conf every time I boot FreeBSD after the DHCP obtained new DNS and updated resolv.conf but before ezjail starts any of the jails, but where I would need to put such copying? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 15:15:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA50B106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62AAC8FC17 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Jul 2012 15:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us009) with SMTP; 30 Jul 2012 11:15:33 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+D++YyuEuDA1TXDfbZOzgfYCYYIhd9HsrIWq69gq FEFb51AajIvSPZ Message-ID: <5016A513.1040702@mail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:15:31 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Problem with pkgconf and glib. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:15:35 -0000 On 07/30/2012 17:19, Christopher Hilton wrote: > I'm trying to build emacs with gtk2 on my build box and I'm running into trouble with pkgconf from /usr/ports/devel/pkgconf. The build process dies in devel/gobject-introspection and complains that it cannot find header files for gio-unix-2.0. From what I can see the problem looks like the fact that pkgconf is returning the wrong include path for these header files, running: > > # pkg-config --variable=includedir gio-unix-2.0 returns: > > /usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include > > I'm not sure if this is part of the problem but it appears that pkgconf returns one instance of "/usr/local/include" for each dependency listed in the package. E.g. > > # pkg-config --variable=includedir glib-2.0 > > returns: "/usr/local/include" > > To repeat this problem I started with a fresh FreeBSD virtual machine built from 8-STABLE, an empty /usr/local tree and an empty /var/db/pkg directory. Then I traversed to /usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection and did: > > # make install > > Any help would be appreciated. > > -- Chris > > > > > Chris Hilton e: chris /at/ vindaloo /dot/ com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "All I was doing was trying to get home from work!" > -- Rosa Parks > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I have the same problem with devel/gobject-introspection. It's also a dependecy for Xorg. A couple of days ago devel/pkg-config was removed from ports as deprecated, and replaced with devel/pkgconf, and consequently the build dependencies of many ports were changed. Maybe this recent change is not thoroughly worked out? Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 15:19:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CBC106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kickbsd@yandex.com) Received: from forward4h.mail.yandex.net (forward4h.mail.yandex.net [84.201.186.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E42B8FC0A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web9h.yandex.ru (web9h.yandex.ru [84.201.186.38]) by forward4h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 84D031B20A9C; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:18:45 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1343661525; bh=THLEoKeh1GdiqEwbb2edebaEXIM+fmPLbrWCFTWKswQ=; h=From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-Id: Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; b=nBlIsBrlocmBMFZwuqIJZIJdsF5orL2Lbr5/+sMloj5zwLVG70BvY0BtXh+0DBu5N 01EDWmmE0JdbIzpKwx0ECI+fkN5aYjOiGBwQHW2X26/cteHyfdZUcHrmb20BVP+4km tA5ru0ZzamiOYIU/yMhAwv8840JzTqR+b2be2VeI= Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web9h.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 030125D7011B; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:18:44 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1343661525; bh=THLEoKeh1GdiqEwbb2edebaEXIM+fmPLbrWCFTWKswQ=; h=From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-Id: Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; b=nBlIsBrlocmBMFZwuqIJZIJdsF5orL2Lbr5/+sMloj5zwLVG70BvY0BtXh+0DBu5N 01EDWmmE0JdbIzpKwx0ECI+fkN5aYjOiGBwQHW2X26/cteHyfdZUcHrmb20BVP+4km tA5ru0ZzamiOYIU/yMhAwv8840JzTqR+b2be2VeI= Received: from leo.de.teleglobe.net (leo.de.teleglobe.net [64.86.53.146]) by web9h.yandex.ru with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:18:44 +0400 From: Darren Baginski To: Stefan Johansson In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <195811343661524@web9h.yandex.ru> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:18:44 +0400 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: mpt(4) enabling write cache on raw disk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:19:18 -0000 29.07.2012, 17:00, "Stefan Johansson" : > Hello! > > I have a HP 3080X SAS/SATA 8 port mpt(4) controller card that I want to use in > a ZFS setup. > My problem is that the write cache is not enabled on disks that are not a part of a RAID volume (RAID0 or RAID1). > The write speed is limited to about 20MB/s with both UFS and ZFS. > If I create a RAID0 volume with mptutil(8) and then destroy it, write cache gets enabled and the write speed reaches about 60MB/s with UFS and ZFS. > Unfortunately it won't survive a reboot. > > Has anyone else seen this problem with mpt(4) controllers and/or knows how to fix it? I have to create 8 raid0 volumes consisting of one drive, and then enable #/usr/sbin/mptutil volume cache 0 enable #/usr/sbin/mptutil volume cache 1 enable From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 15:21:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA691065676; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:21:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4885F8FC14; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q6UFL65l036994; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 01:21:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 01:21:06 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Piotr Czachur In-Reply-To: <20120729120033.23506106568C@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20120730231933.V37097@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20120729120033.23506106568C@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Waking system up from suspend-to-ram at specified time. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:21:25 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 425, Issue 13, Message: 13 On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:37:48 +0200 Piotr Czachur wrote: > Dear users, > > Does FreeBSD support waking system up from S3 (suspend to RAM) state > at specified time? On Linux, it can be achieved using rtcwake command > that uses RTC support in kernel. Not yet, unless I've missed something since 2010 (not impossible :) > If it's not supported, maybe I can somehow enable waking from S3 using > BIOS autoresume option? It powers my box on from complete off, but > fails to wake it up from S3. What works for now is waking from S3 > using Wake-on-LAN. > > Cheers, > Piotrek On my Thinkpad T23, BIOS autostart (not autoresume) time setting also works only from a cold start. WoL also worked from 'off' but not from S3, but that was on 8.1-STABLE. What version are you running, and on what machine? Some reports indicate success may depend on which BIOS. I'll forward you offlist a couple of never-completed drafts that turned up in postponed messages from 2010 while hunting mail about this, to (bcc'd) avg@, brucec@ and mav@, after researching this in response to an ACPI PR: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern%2F73823&cat= Then at least, you also had to modify Linux shutdown behaviour to avoid writing the clocktime back to the RTC if a wake time had been set, as RTC writes did not preserve the RTC wake interrupt bit, for some reason. FreeBSD also does not preserve (gratuitously zeroes) that bit on all RTC writes, which is easily enough fixable, mostly in writertc.c, with few other places needing mods that I could see. Ah yes, plus a (cleanroom) utility not unlike rtcwake, but once writertc() is fixed that should be relatively trivial, without needing to mess with the shutdown code. Present circumstances don't permit me to work on this further, but I do think it could be a worthwhile and not so hard project for 'someone' :) cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 15:24:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF68106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:24:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0F058FC15 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Jul 2012 15:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us010) with SMTP; 30 Jul 2012 11:24:22 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19W/25fvT1Wh3oN5iDdF7vAdQ1bSsCOtXYcAC5YCC fP5BPcmT/O+MgB Message-ID: <5016A724.3010600@mail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:24:20 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5016A24C.6050508@gjunka.com> In-Reply-To: <5016A24C.6050508@gjunka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Resolvconf with FreeBSD jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:24:23 -0000 On 07/30/2012 18:03, Grzegorz Junka wrote: > FreeBSD 9 uses resolvconf tool to manage the resolv.conf file. How can > I make it working with FreeBSD jails? > > In my case I am moving my laptop between networks and every time I > boot FreeBSD it gets assigned a different DNS server. The file > /etc/resolv.conf gets updated but the same file in each of the jails > is not. I need resolv.conf in each jail in order for that jail to > connect to the external network. If you really need your resolv.conf for connecting to an external network (and not to resolve local machine names), why not just add public DNS servers there and let them stay the same all he time? > > I tried to make a link from resolv.conf in a jail to the same file in > the host system, but inside jail the link doesn't work. I could copy > the resolv.conf every time I boot FreeBSD after the DHCP obtained new > DNS and updated resolv.conf but before ezjail starts any of the jails, > but where I would need to put such copying? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 15:38:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590E110656D4 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:38:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02358FC0A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so1489431wib.13 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:38:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VIJUuFvUg6POPNap2K6FVQh3s2JyWe99wNq2wcrETD4=; b=JhDPrq0e2KQPmxyLkqGnvugYjMramAg4l694YfX2ylky8EapFTnfx+jRdYp6Ywqe2y fLFLH9pEn+u7OPluUdh0zwGaXI9peXQgjTJ9anjLKhorGBGXjiyAZGkUGRsJrYte1jRJ fp7M3FqUSzbCxIMzWXYZlThJNZNsIYiH/kFRA41dWtda7dLcTTNIxYPSpxglyrnLqYpq E1/7MCjCcPrimyOQeLjR47/1MrMh6yeh4oRoWaJ1tewRj8Ab+c6C8bhnawPk/oYpzcX6 sDKlFozgInz6WPxQ+Y4l+VTU8RzM8PBaOA6kZUFPsTX7d3q+Ledi8Afrfb5TbjPnpd5K dJwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.167.135 with SMTP id i7mr5613123wel.97.1343662690725; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.67.131 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.67.131 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:38:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:38:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Vladimir Videscu Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:38:12 -0000 On Jul 28, 2012 11:42 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> The read-cache idea is very sound, mainly because by using it this way Seagate would not have to create a special set of >> instructions for installing and using the HDD. > > > I don't think that this drive cache is smart enough to really cache needed things and not flush that cache with useless data too often. > > i personally would prefer that drive to show up as 8GB disk and 750 GB disk. > > It would be easy to fit most of /usr in 8GB with even large set of software installed. > > when out of space then use softlinks and move not very used things (eg. documentation, non-yours locales, examples, some linarly accessed big files etc.) to disk. > > >> My final question would be : >> >> Seeing as the HDD only has a SATA connector, this would mean that the SSD part already has a memory control device that regulates >> access to that sector, whether it is a plain read-cache or not. This would imply that FreeBSD could communicate with the HDD >> normally, through the SATA connector, just like any regular HDD. > > > indeed. > > Such a drive is a good idea, but complete lack of documentation (how it operate) is not. > > You have to guess how this SSD-cache works because it is not documented. > > the other thing is erasing data. You want to sell that drive and clear your data by > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk bs=1m > > but does it clear SSD cache? i don't think so. Someone sophisticated enough would perform raw read of cache chips and get cached data, which can actually be the most important part (things you work on often). > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I've been using one of these drives for a few months, bought it because of bargain price and it sounded cool.. but its true there is little documentation, there seems to be no way to look at the SSD cache. I've read on some ng that it takes 5 to 10 boots to "learn" which files are loaded at boot.. maybe true. Also have not performed any comparison tests but maybe it boots faster. ... its not like instant on though. :) Waitman Gobble San Jose California From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 16:21:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C19106566B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:21:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98DB8FC1B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Svsj6-0002ba-Fh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:21:48 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.96.198]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:21:48 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:21:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:21:50 -0400 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <5016A513.1040702@mail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Problem with pkgconf and glib. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:21:56 -0000 Jeff Tipton wrote: > On 07/30/2012 17:19, Christopher Hilton wrote: >> I'm trying to build emacs with gtk2 on my build box and I'm running into >> trouble with pkgconf from /usr/ports/devel/pkgconf. The build process >> dies in devel/gobject-introspection and complains that it cannot find >> header files for gio-unix-2.0. From what I can see the problem looks like >> the fact that pkgconf is returning the wrong include path for these >> header files, running: [snip] > I have the same problem with devel/gobject-introspection. It's also a > dependecy for Xorg. > > A couple of days ago devel/pkg-config was removed from ports as > deprecated, and replaced with devel/pkgconf, and consequently the build > dependencies of many ports were changed. Maybe this recent change is not > thoroughly worked out? > When I first saw it in UPDATING and did the command I believe it was not completely correct, as it did nothing. That was something on the order of 3 or 4 days ago. Just csup'd today and the command in UPDATING I think contained something slightly different, and is now correct. Before, it did not remove/replace pkg-config. Today it did. Perhaps a ports tree refresh and if using portupgrade do this: portupgrade -fo devel/pkgconf pkg-config-\* This did remove pkg-config and replace it with pkgconf, like I expected it to do 3-4 days ago and didn't. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 16:57:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47081106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:57:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933658FC15 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:57:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:46:54 +0200 Message-ID: <5016BA7D.4090500@ose.nl> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:46:53 +0200 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120730 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5016A513.1040702@mail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problem with pkgconf and glib. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:57:05 -0000 On 07/30/12 18:21, Michael Powell wrote: > Jeff Tipton wrote: > >> On 07/30/2012 17:19, Christopher Hilton wrote: >>> I'm trying to build emacs with gtk2 on my build box and I'm running into >>> trouble with pkgconf from /usr/ports/devel/pkgconf. The build process >>> dies in devel/gobject-introspection and complains that it cannot find >>> header files for gio-unix-2.0. From what I can see the problem looks like >>> the fact that pkgconf is returning the wrong include path for these >>> header files, running: > [snip] >> I have the same problem with devel/gobject-introspection. It's also a >> dependecy for Xorg. >> >> A couple of days ago devel/pkg-config was removed from ports as >> deprecated, and replaced with devel/pkgconf, and consequently the build >> dependencies of many ports were changed. Maybe this recent change is not >> thoroughly worked out? >> > When I first saw it in UPDATING and did the command I believe it was not > completely correct, as it did nothing. That was something on the order of 3 > or 4 days ago. Just csup'd today and the command in UPDATING I think > contained something slightly different, and is now correct. > > Before, it did not remove/replace pkg-config. Today it did. Perhaps a ports > tree refresh and if using portupgrade do this: > > portupgrade -fo devel/pkgconf pkg-config-\* > > This did remove pkg-config and replace it with pkgconf, like I expected it to > do 3-4 days ago and didn't. > > -Mike > I had about the same issues on a fresh RELENG_9 laptop wih xfce4, firefox and thunderbird. Just removing pkg-config (pkg_delete -f) then installing pkgconf and do a portmaster --check-depends solved it for me. Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 17:09:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BF3106566B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@vindaloo.com) Received: from mail.lhr-its.com (natasha.lhr-its.com [64.204.249.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB3B8FC17 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from geonosis.vindaloo.com (ool-18e412d2.dyn.optonline.net [24.228.18.210]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lhr-its.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 033F75C01B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by geonosis.vindaloo.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9FF2CBB44; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: Christopher Sean Hilton Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:09:25 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <20120730170925.GB48602@geonosis.vindaloo.com> Resent-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Universally-Unique-Identifier: b8464df8-f128-4554-b4b2-a610a52f5e35 From: Christopher Hilton In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:38:02 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Smtp-Server: smtp.vindaloo.com:chris References: <5016A513.1040702@mail.com> To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Cc: freebsd-quesions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with pkgconf and glib. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:09:26 -0000 On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Michael Powell wrote: > Jeff Tipton wrote: >=20 >> On 07/30/2012 17:19, Christopher Hilton wrote: >>> I'm trying to build emacs with gtk2 on my build box and I'm running = into >>> trouble with pkgconf from /usr/ports/devel/pkgconf. The build = process [snip]=20 > When I first saw it in UPDATING and did the command I believe it was = not=20 > completely correct, as it did nothing. That was something on the order = of 3=20 > or 4 days ago. Just csup'd today and the command in UPDATING I think=20= > contained something slightly different, and is now correct. >=20 > Before, it did not remove/replace pkg-config. Today it did. Perhaps a = ports=20 > tree refresh and if using portupgrade do this: >=20 > portupgrade -fo devel/pkgconf pkg-config-\* >=20 > This did remove pkg-config and replace it with pkgconf, like I = expected it to=20 > do 3-4 days ago and didn't. >=20 > -Mike >=20 I'll look at UPDATING again but from what I see devel/pkgconf is = supposed to be a drop in replacement for devel/pkg-config that solves a = bootstrapping problem between pkg-config and devel/glib. I'm not = convinced on "drop in" if devel/pkg-config says the the include files = for gio-unix-2.0 are in "/usr/local/include" while devel/pkgconf says = that they are in = "/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include". To hedge my = bets I'm using csup to revert the ports collection on my machine to = before the change. -- Chris= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 17:21:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D83B106566B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:21:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 050408FC0C for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Jul 2012 17:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us009) with SMTP; 30 Jul 2012 13:21:24 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19EmC83g2pEALwpPHZSbfmqF58XWXAaLN8w1ACJrV dqGE7PC1ytUQCh Message-ID: <5016C291.7040805@mail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:21:21 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5016A513.1040702@mail.com> <5016BA7D.4090500@ose.nl> In-Reply-To: <5016BA7D.4090500@ose.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Problem with pkgconf and glib. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:21:25 -0000 On 07/30/2012 19:46, Bas Smeelen wrote: > On 07/30/12 18:21, Michael Powell wrote: >> Jeff Tipton wrote: >> >>> On 07/30/2012 17:19, Christopher Hilton wrote: >>>> I'm trying to build emacs with gtk2 on my build box and I'm running >>>> into >>>> trouble with pkgconf from /usr/ports/devel/pkgconf. The build process >>>> dies in devel/gobject-introspection and complains that it cannot find >>>> header files for gio-unix-2.0. From what I can see the problem >>>> looks like >>>> the fact that pkgconf is returning the wrong include path for these >>>> header files, running: >> [snip] >>> I have the same problem with devel/gobject-introspection. It's also a >>> dependecy for Xorg. >>> >>> A couple of days ago devel/pkg-config was removed from ports as >>> deprecated, and replaced with devel/pkgconf, and consequently the build >>> dependencies of many ports were changed. Maybe this recent change is >>> not >>> thoroughly worked out? >>> >> When I first saw it in UPDATING and did the command I believe it was not >> completely correct, as it did nothing. That was something on the >> order of 3 >> or 4 days ago. Just csup'd today and the command in UPDATING I think >> contained something slightly different, and is now correct. >> >> Before, it did not remove/replace pkg-config. Today it did. Perhaps a >> ports >> tree refresh and if using portupgrade do this: >> >> portupgrade -fo devel/pkgconf pkg-config-\* >> >> This did remove pkg-config and replace it with pkgconf, like I >> expected it to >> do 3-4 days ago and didn't. >> >> -Mike > I had about the same issues on a fresh RELENG_9 laptop wih xfce4, > firefox and thunderbird. Just removing pkg-config (pkg_delete -f) then > installing pkgconf and do a portmaster --check-depends solved it for me. > > > > Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Yes, but try now to rebuild X, or emacs (as Christopher). For me, it dies at devel/gobject-introspection with the following: GISCAN GLib-2.0.gir g-ir-scanner: GLib: warning: 484 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all to see them) GISCAN GObject-2.0.gir g-ir-scanner: GObject: warning: 27 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all to see them) GISCAN GModule-2.0.gir g-ir-scanner: GModule: warning: 1 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all to see them) gmake[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/gio-unix-2.0/gio/*.h', needed by `Gio-2.0.gir'. Stop. gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection/work/gobject-introspection-0.10.8' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection/work/gobject-introspection-0.10.8' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error code 1 I don't know what to do with this, I'm already considering ports downgrade. -Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 17:32:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932AC106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:32:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@vindaloo.com) Received: from mail.lhr-its.com (natasha.lhr-its.com [64.204.249.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE3E8FC19 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from geonosis.vindaloo.com (ool-18e412d2.dyn.optonline.net [24.228.18.210]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lhr-its.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D861C5C028; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kessel.vindaloo.com (kessel.vindaloo.com [172.24.145.71]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by geonosis.vindaloo.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 53AD8BB41; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Christopher Hilton In-Reply-To: <5016C291.7040805@mail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:32:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <82C7F31A-82E6-4A6F-AC67-6A71A1F1DEB4@vindaloo.com> References: <5016A513.1040702@mail.com> <5016BA7D.4090500@ose.nl> <5016C291.7040805@mail.com> To: Jeff Tipton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with pkgconf and glib. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:32:45 -0000 On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jeff Tipton wrote: > On 07/30/2012 19:46, Bas Smeelen wrote: >> On 07/30/12 18:21, Michael Powell wrote: >>> Jeff Tipton wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On 07/30/2012 17:19, Christopher Hilton wrote: >>=20 [snip] > Yes, but try now to rebuild X, or emacs (as Christopher). For me, it = dies at devel/gobject-introspection with the following: >=20 > GISCAN GLib-2.0.gir > g-ir-scanner: GLib: warning: 484 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all = to see them) > GISCAN GObject-2.0.gir > g-ir-scanner: GObject: warning: 27 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all = to see them) > GISCAN GModule-2.0.gir > g-ir-scanner: GModule: warning: 1 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all = to see them) > gmake[2]: *** No rule to make target = `/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/= gio-unix-2.0/gio/*.h', needed by `Gio-2.0.gir'. Stop. > gmake[2]: Leaving directory = `/usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection/work/gobject-introspection-0.10.8'= > gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory = `/usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection/work/gobject-introspection-0.10.8'= > gmake: *** [all] Error 2 > *** Error code 1 >=20 > I don't know what to do with this, I'm already considering ports = downgrade. >=20 I traced through the Makefiles in devel/gobject-introspection. They are = relying on pkg-config, devel/pkgconf in the newer code, to provide the = location. That's how you end up with: = "/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/= gio-unix-2.0/gio/*.h" Which clearly shouldn't be there as a path. I added the line: date=3D2012.07.21.00.00.00 to my ports supconfig and then did=20 csup /etc/ports-supfile That pulled my ports collection back to 2012/07/21 which restored = pkg-config and removed pkgconf. It probably reverted some other stuff = too but I can wait a week for this thing to play out. -- Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 17:45:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711C5106566C for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@vindaloo.com) Received: from mail.lhr-its.com (natasha.lhr-its.com [64.204.249.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1748FC0A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from geonosis.vindaloo.com (ool-18e412d2.dyn.optonline.net [24.228.18.210]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lhr-its.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78F3B5C028; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by geonosis.vindaloo.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0936FBB44; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:45:16 -0400 From: Christopher Sean Hilton To: Jeff Tipton Message-ID: <20120730174516.GC48602@geonosis.vindaloo.com> References: <5016A513.1040702@mail.com> <5016BA7D.4090500@ose.nl> <5016C291.7040805@mail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5016C291.7040805@mail.com> 'Bcc: Christopher Sean Hilton ' User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with pkgconf and glib. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:45:18 -0000 On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 08:21:21PM +0300, Jeff Tipton wrote: > On 07/30/2012 19:46, Bas Smeelen wrote: > > On 07/30/12 18:21, Michael Powell wrote: > >> Jeff Tipton wrote: > >> > >>> On 07/30/2012 17:19, Christopher Hilton wrote: > >>>> I'm trying to build emacs with gtk2 on my build box and I'm running > >>>> into > >>>> trouble with pkgconf from /usr/ports/devel/pkgconf. The build process > >>>> dies in devel/gobject-introspection and complains that it cannot find > >>>> header files for gio-unix-2.0. From what I can see the problem > >>>> looks like > >>>> the fact that pkgconf is returning the wrong include path for these > >>>> header files, running: [snip] > Yes, but try now to rebuild X, or emacs (as Christopher). For me, it > dies at devel/gobject-introspection with the following: > > GISCAN GLib-2.0.gir > g-ir-scanner: GLib: warning: 484 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all to > see them) > GISCAN GObject-2.0.gir > g-ir-scanner: GObject: warning: 27 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all > to see them) > GISCAN GModule-2.0.gir > g-ir-scanner: GModule: warning: 1 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all to > see them) > gmake[2]: *** No rule to make target > `/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/gio-unix-2.0/gio/*.h', > needed by `Gio-2.0.gir'. Stop. > gmake[2]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection/work/gobject-introspection-0.10.8' > gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection/work/gobject-introspection-0.10.8' > gmake: *** [all] Error 2 > *** Error code 1 > > I don't know what to do with this, I'm already considering ports downgrade. > > -Jeff While I'm sure that this is just a temporary glitch, in my case the target box is the build machine that I use to maintain all my packages for a set of FreeBSD servers. I unfortunately don't have to time to trace the problem in pkgconf today. I'll try to run it through gdb during the week to see why it's tripple the "/usr/local/include" part of the include path. -- Chris Chris Hilton e: chris|at|vindaloo|dot|com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The pattern juggler lifts his hand; The orchestra begin. As slowly turns the grinding wheel in the court of the crimson king." -- Ian McDonald / Peter Sinfield From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 18:55:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83350106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3937D8FC12 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Jul 2012 18:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us010) with SMTP; 30 Jul 2012 14:55:52 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18qJCBh94Eq4AqvzyH9sSqTUYaKix+ti1NceIhbS+ et75vxZE5tycFr Message-ID: <5016D8B4.8050402@mail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:55:48 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5016A513.1040702@mail.com> <5016BA7D.4090500@ose.nl> <5016C291.7040805@mail.com> <82C7F31A-82E6-4A6F-AC67-6A71A1F1DEB4@vindaloo.com> In-Reply-To: <82C7F31A-82E6-4A6F-AC67-6A71A1F1DEB4@vindaloo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Problem with pkgconf and glib. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:55:53 -0000 On 07/30/2012 20:32, Christopher Hilton wrote: > On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jeff Tipton wrote: > >> On 07/30/2012 19:46, Bas Smeelen wrote: >>> On 07/30/12 18:21, Michael Powell wrote: >>>> Jeff Tipton wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 07/30/2012 17:19, Christopher Hilton wrote: > [snip] > >> Yes, but try now to rebuild X, or emacs (as Christopher). For me, it dies at devel/gobject-introspection with the following: >> >> GISCAN GLib-2.0.gir >> g-ir-scanner: GLib: warning: 484 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all to see them) >> GISCAN GObject-2.0.gir >> g-ir-scanner: GObject: warning: 27 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all to see them) >> GISCAN GModule-2.0.gir >> g-ir-scanner: GModule: warning: 1 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all to see them) >> gmake[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/gio-unix-2.0/gio/*.h', needed by `Gio-2.0.gir'. Stop. >> gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection/work/gobject-introspection-0.10.8' >> gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >> gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection/work/gobject-introspection-0.10.8' >> gmake: *** [all] Error 2 >> *** Error code 1 >> >> I don't know what to do with this, I'm already considering ports downgrade. >> > I traced through the Makefiles in devel/gobject-introspection. They are relying on pkg-config, devel/pkgconf in the newer code, to provide the location. That's how you end up with: > > "/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/gio-unix-2.0/gio/*.h" > > Which clearly shouldn't be there as a path. I added the line: > > date=2012.07.21.00.00.00 > > to my ports supconfig and then did > > csup /etc/ports-supfile > > That pulled my ports collection back to 2012/07/21 which restored pkg-config and removed pkgconf. It probably reverted some other stuff too but I can wait a week for this thing to play out. > > -- Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Thanks, Chris, for sharing this. I'll, too, try it this way. -Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 19:23:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57920106566C for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156D18FC0C for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP187 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:23:17 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [116.202.104.101] X-Originating-Email: [bourne.identity@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([116.202.104.101]) by BLU0-SMTP187.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:23:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:54:56 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeff.t@mail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2012 19:23:16.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5284250:01CD6E88] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:23:24 -0000 << I've not experienced any problem with sites that use Flash, including Youtube. >> Hi Jeff, Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles work for you ? http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html I don't have a problem with YouTube either. But if the flash at the URL above works for you, I request you to kindly share with me the ports I need to install. I spent a lot of time, energy and bandwidth installing/reinstalling over a dozen ports, including opera. But neither opera nor firefox on my system work for the subject URL Please send a cc of your reply to me at bourne.identity@hotmail.com Thanks & -- Regards, Manish Jain +91-99620-10329 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 20:39:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5531065881 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:39:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@noos.larseighner.com) Received: from emailserver2.asdf456.com (emailserver2.asdf456.com [72.18.207.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BEE08FC1B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23663 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 2012 20:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO noos.larseighner.com) (71.20.75.102) by emailserver2.asdf456.com with SMTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:31:48 -0700 Received: by noos.larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@noos.larseighner.com; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:30:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:30:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.larseighner.com To: Manish Jain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: jeff.t@mail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:39:11 -0000 On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote: > << > I've not experienced any problem with sites that > use Flash, including Youtube. >>> > > > Hi Jeff, > > Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles work > for you ? > recent linux-flash 12.x do not work with any recent version of firefox when the server uses the standard flowplayer set-up (with JS). It does work with flowplayer when used with the flowplayer "alternate" configuration which is pure html5. Of course, as a user you are SOL if a site has elected to use the JS version of flowplayer. Rolling linux-flash back 6 months or a year will fix this, and it is hoped it will get fixed when linux-flash is bumped to 13.x > Please send a cc of your reply to me at bourne.identity@hotmail.com -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 20:55:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCBC1065672 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:55:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5755C8FC15 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6UKtkQW060248; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:55:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q6UKtka5060245; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:55:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:55:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Manish Jain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:55:46 -0600 (MDT) Cc: jeff.t@mail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bourne.identity@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:55:52 -0000 On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote: > << > I've not experienced any problem with sites that > use Flash, including Youtube. >>> > > > Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles work > for you ? > > http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html > > I don't have a problem with YouTube either. But if the flash at the URL above > works for you, I request you to kindly share with me the ports I need to > install. I spent a lot of time, energy and bandwidth installing/reinstalling > over a dozen ports, including opera. But neither opera nor firefox on my > system work for the subject URL Works here. amd64, firefox-14.0.1,1 linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.236_1 Set up as the Handbook describes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 21:25:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1580106566B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572488FC1B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 77818 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2012 21:25:50 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2012 21:25:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=501717fd.xn--hew.k1207; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=3Em3UrmkV3yYS0GwYIgSlmaBgElo7tfSKASI0Xjoxf4=; b=TSEHCFV4lrVZgkLKjWE5S5n3mguSAvXnjHlp2VWebIkIEAAwInmPhtI45Gg5VZePQjpgR78z4IF9qg9uuPc+A+3V+ij+vjScxCNngdkFjLioQasi8qe7meaevrlj9iHOY1t3iCEbFVgCXX2uvwm7VqK21R6iljo/Q7pB6j7qp+U= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 30 Jul 2012 23:25:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20120730232526.4683.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120730045308.GH7369@mail3.dcoder.net> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: dacoder@dcoder.net Subject: Re: Firefox 14 build broken due to wrong libpng X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:25:51 -0000 In article <20120730045308.GH7369@mail3.dcoder.net> you write: >same problem. so i rebuilt png w/ > > OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On > >firefox build still fails because of complaints about APNG. what am i missing >here? I rebuilt png with APNG turned on (make && make deinstall && make install clean) The png errors went away but it still failed. The last few lines of the log are below. This is 8.3 on amd64, ports are as far as I know fully up to date. 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-I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -DMOZILLA_CLIENT -include ../../../../mozilla-config.h /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp nsNSSErrors.cpp c++ -o nsNSSErrors.o -c -I../../../../dist/stl_wrappers -I../../../../dist/system_wrappers -include ../../../.././../config/gcc_hidden.h -DNSS_ENABLE_ECC -DDLL_PREFIX=\"lib\" -DDLL_SUFFIX=\".so\" -DMOZ_GLUE_IN_PROGRAM -DXPCOM_TRANSLATE_NSGM_ENTRY_POINT=1 -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -D_IMPL_NS_COM -DEXPORT_XPT_API -DEXPORT_XPTC_API -D_IMPL_NS_GFX -D_IMPL_NS_WIDGET -DIMPL_XREAPI -DIMPL_NS_NET -DIMPL_THEBES -DSTATIC_EXPORTABLE_JS_API -DOSTYPE=\"FreeBSD8\" -DOSARCH=FreeBSD -I/usr/local/include/nss -I../../../.././../security/manager/ssl/src -I. -I../../../../dist/include -I../../../../dist/include/nsprpub -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -fPIC -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -fno-rtti -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Werror=return-type -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-overlength-strings -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-variadic-macros -Wcast-align -O2 -pipe -f no-strict-aliasing -fno-exceptions -fno-strict-aliasing -fshort-wchar -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -DMOZILLA_CLIENT -include ../../../../mozilla-config.h /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSErrors.cpp /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp: In member function 'virtual nsresult nsCryptoHash::Finish(bool, nsACString_internal&)': /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp:2879: error: 'BTOA_DataToAscii' was not declared in this scope /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp: In member function 'virtual nsresult nsCryptoHMAC::Finish(bool, nsACString_internal&)': /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp:3070: error: 'BTOA_DataToAscii' was not declared in this scope gmake[5]: *** [nsNSSComponent.o] Error 1 gmake[5]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... gmake[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3/security/manager/ssl/src' gmake[4]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3/security/manager/ssl' gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3/security/manager' gmake[2]: *** [libs_tier_platform] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3' gmake[1]: *** [tier_platform] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3' gmake: *** [default] Error 2 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 21:45:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F73106566B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D608FC15 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbz22 with SMTP id z22so6283763ghb.13 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:45:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=r5k5NEMZOKrDDJ/YvVYZUe7rTw/ijft1eBRP19gEgBk=; b=rl8MrqQxxD3P6rbwBuQiGy0H+zMG4hg7lGj3btq1/AIlJSuLkG2ULl8Ml2M2upGztH KGpdMonKcasVwt5xnv+4Uys1dTmMxJ/hftCLhYV4d8SB/7sbVtlLxyMH8nMhPjyvGPoo jHLeLucsFLMeIzSzjWGCJAD0dBYXgDsY8+PR3Z+Ae85z+Bt/YkLYFdMjd0MNDq9iYj2U gBVSfJCNn+RvOdG+fig90kiwWs6gwEGde223cEZ5QTOyc1nkcvDvenjotsSduVq8zLID tI0nTVHII4bXgkxWgjaMLXlc9rEt9yxkf0UJR3dHnd29LMs/AUr/yAlUWv01aor8asHi aDag== Received: by 10.50.87.131 with SMTP id ay3mr110818igb.36.1343684733377; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i17sm130207igd.5.2012.07.30.14.45.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:45:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201207301645.23382.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: jeff.t@mail.com, Manish Jain Subject: Re: Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:45:34 -0000 On Monday 30 July 2012 15:55:46 Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote: > > << > > I've not experienced any problem with sites that > > use Flash, including Youtube. > > > > > > > > Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles > > work for you ? > > > > http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html > > > > I don't have a problem with YouTube either. But if the flash at the URL > > above works for you, I request you to kindly share with me the ports I > > need to install. I spent a lot of time, energy and bandwidth > > installing/reinstalling over a dozen ports, including opera. But neither > > opera nor firefox on my system work for the subject URL > > Works here. amd64, > > firefox-14.0.1,1 > linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.236_1 > > Set up as the Handbook describes. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" It doesn't work on my computer: FreeBSD 9.0 Release, KDE 4.8.4 I updated Firefox 13 to 14.0.1 and flash doesn't work anymore (on Opera works). In pluginred.dat I have: [INVALID] /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so:$ 1336714805000:$ On the previous version of Firefox I didn't have a problem with the same version of flash plugin. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 21:49:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F9B106564A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E948FC14 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6ULn9Sq060502; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:49:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q6ULn9NZ060499; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:49:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:49:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: ajtiM In-Reply-To: <201207301645.23382.lumiwa@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <201207301645.23382.lumiwa@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:49:09 -0600 (MDT) Cc: jeff.t@mail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Manish Jain Subject: Re: Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:49:10 -0000 On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, ajtiM wrote: > It doesn't work on my computer: > FreeBSD 9.0 Release, KDE 4.8.4 > > I updated Firefox 13 to 14.0.1 and flash doesn't work anymore (on Opera works). > In pluginred.dat I have: > [INVALID] > /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so:$ > 1336714805000:$ > > On the previous version of Firefox I didn't have a problem with the same > version of flash plugin. Is that linux-f10-flashplugin10 or linux-f10-flashplugin11? 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[184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g5sm7633902ign.4.2012.07.30.15.49.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:49:12 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: Warren Block Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:49:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) References: <201207301645.23382.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201207301749.03379.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: jeff.t@mail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Manish Jain Subject: Re: Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:49:14 -0000 On Monday 30 July 2012 16:49:09 Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, ajtiM wrote: > > It doesn't work on my computer: > > FreeBSD 9.0 Release, KDE 4.8.4 > > > > I updated Firefox 13 to 14.0.1 and flash doesn't work anymore (on Opera > > works). In pluginred.dat I have: > > [INVALID] > > /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so:$ > > 1336714805000:$ > > > > On the previous version of Firefox I didn't have a problem with the same > > version of flash plugin. > > Is that linux-f10-flashplugin10 or linux-f10-flashplugin11? It is linuxf10-flashplugin11 Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 30 23:09:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26658106566B for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zimnyx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C418FC0A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcsg15 with SMTP id g15so3992000qcs.13 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:09:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=g5mFWWZhjx36QhGTrKpY833v3Q00oFENwpK4aDPr/Dc=; b=P3LussM/owPDsfdBcVx9Sctn7063B7F5le4nQWG+OshDmnkuOEeLGQ2BRh3fA3e768 bpCQ2l/2d3sEnX9DUpCCauZNXtRNS5c4rlnJYeSq0wx7bi2ZqRwHxX4NdAvfJb3eKQd9 TjEAdFGD+ox5NYgH3fTZiy6DwQOJokx+/ZpRyMdLrkkKkzJ9MEPLEyr21NKbK6ux7jvC X6muAK/UQoOqL4Ry8ao7iqsllpYZzJ06ArRLugkRsqHyrPl+6b7gwV/y9dwzwt5bGqlp 7k9NvsoHzeambK658PoMZNo+B/827qYsugDE6Zpm/CKtyvucgZZpuHG8TV8TrjkycuUN PkZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.184.208 with SMTP id cl16mr26312809qab.39.1343689745177; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.238.202 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:09:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120730231933.V37097@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20120729120033.23506106568C@hub.freebsd.org> <20120730231933.V37097@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 01:09:05 +0200 Message-ID: From: Piotr Czachur To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Waking system up from suspend-to-ram at specified time. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:09:06 -0000 Ian, Thank you for wind of hope :) 2012/7/30 Ian Smith : > On my Thinkpad T23, BIOS autostart (not autoresume) time setting also > works only from a cold start. WoL also worked from 'off' but not from > S3, but that was on 8.1-STABLE. What version are you running, and on > what machine? Some reports indicate success may depend on which BIOS. I'm running FreeBSD 9.0 on Pentium 4 (Dell SX270). WoL wakes my box up from "off" and S3, and BIOS "Auto power on" just from "off". > I'll forward you offlist a couple of never-completed drafts that turned > up in postponed messages from 2010 while hunting mail about this, to > (bcc'd) avg@, brucec@ and mav@, after researching this in response to an > ACPI PR: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern%2F73823&cat= Thanks. Nice to know this. > Then at least, you also had to modify Linux shutdown behaviour to avoid > writing the clocktime back to the RTC if a wake time had been set, as > RTC writes did not preserve the RTC wake interrupt bit, for some reason. Is this RTC writing supposed to disable "Auto power on" alarm set via BIOS? In my situation it's not the case, my box is shut down from cron (shutdown -h) , and powers on automaticaly next morning. > FreeBSD also does not preserve (gratuitously zeroes) that bit on all RTC > writes, which is easily enough fixable, mostly in writertc.c, with few > other places needing mods that I could see. Ah yes, plus a (cleanroom) > utility not unlike rtcwake, but once writertc() is fixed that should be > relatively trivial, without needing to mess with the shutdown code. So the reason of not waking up from S3, is RTC Wake bit zeroed during go to S3? > Present circumstances don't permit me to work on this further, but I do > think it could be a worthwhile and not so hard project for 'someone' :) Deal :) I'd start from enabling wake up from S3 using BIOS "Auto power on", and leave setting RTC alarm from running system as next step. -- Regards, Piotrek From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 02:18:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214F61065672 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 02:18:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41688FC14 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 02:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DCF3CB95; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 04:18:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q6V2I5fN001965; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 04:18:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 04:18:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20120731041805.4c8076de.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jeff.t@mail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Manish Jain Subject: Re: Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 02:18:13 -0000 On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:55:46 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote: > > Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles work > > for you ? > > > > http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html > > > > [...] > > Works here. amd64, > > firefox-14.0.1,1 > linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.236_1 > > Set up as the Handbook describes. Also works here, FreeBSD/i386 8.2-STABLE of August 2011, setup according to the Handbook, with the difference that I'm using Opera here with the following ports: opera-11.50 opera-linuxplugins-11.50 linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5 -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 05:42:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB7C1065672 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:42:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B491C8FC08 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 Jul 2012 05:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us010) with SMTP; 31 Jul 2012 01:42:45 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+VWytP+P+V1zqhIs3JzLxeSpoyVPVEkDQaJIPifA /fZvwxvqR5JoS2 Message-ID: <50177052.8080901@mail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 08:42:42 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bourne.identity@hotmail.com References: <20120731041805.4c8076de.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120731041805.4c8076de.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Subject: Re: Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:42:52 -0000 On 07/31/2012 05:18, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:55:46 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote: >>> Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles work >>> for you ? >>> >>> http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html >>> >>> [...] >> Works here. amd64, >> >> firefox-14.0.1,1 >> linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.236_1 >> >> Set up as the Handbook describes. > Also works here, FreeBSD/i386 8.2-STABLE of August 2011, setup > according to the Handbook, with the difference that I'm using > Opera here with the following ports: > > opera-11.50 > opera-linuxplugins-11.50 > linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5 > > > And it works here. chromium-15.0.874.121 OR midori-0.4.2 linux-f10-flashplugin-11.1r102.55 Setup as per Handbook. I also have IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.1.4) (for Java applets, also following setup according to Handbook) but I don't think it makes difference here. -Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 06:27:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606B41065670 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:27:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15C468FC19 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 Jul 2012 06:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us009) with SMTP; 31 Jul 2012 02:27:18 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX191kLpI3V11ePwSd18xqUs2r/aDpDPS6DeEk1WDNa AqcE4okKpWcBmr Message-ID: <50177AC4.3000206@mail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:27:16 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5016A513.1040702@mail.com> <5016BA7D.4090500@ose.nl> <5016C291.7040805@mail.com> <82C7F31A-82E6-4A6F-AC67-6A71A1F1DEB4@vindaloo.com> <5016D8B4.8050402@mail.com> In-Reply-To: <5016D8B4.8050402@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Problem with pkgconf and glib. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:27:19 -0000 On 07/30/2012 21:55, Jeff Tipton wrote: > On 07/30/2012 20:32, Christopher Hilton wrote: >> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jeff Tipton wrote: >> >>> On 07/30/2012 19:46, Bas Smeelen wrote: >>>> On 07/30/12 18:21, Michael Powell wrote: >>>>> Jeff Tipton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 07/30/2012 17:19, Christopher Hilton wrote: >> [snip] >> >>> Yes, but try now to rebuild X, or emacs (as Christopher). For me, it >>> dies at devel/gobject-introspection with the following: >>> >>> GISCAN GLib-2.0.gir >>> g-ir-scanner: GLib: warning: 484 warnings suppressed (use --warn-all >>> to see them) >>> GISCAN GObject-2.0.gir >>> g-ir-scanner: GObject: warning: 27 warnings suppressed (use >>> --warn-all to see them) >>> GISCAN GModule-2.0.gir >>> g-ir-scanner: GModule: warning: 1 warnings suppressed (use >>> --warn-all to see them) >>> gmake[2]: *** No rule to make target >>> `/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/gio-unix-2.0/gio/*.h', >>> needed by `Gio-2.0.gir'. Stop. >>> gmake[2]: Leaving directory >>> `/usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection/work/gobject-introspection-0.10.8' >>> gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >>> gmake[1]: Leaving directory >>> `/usr/ports/devel/gobject-introspection/work/gobject-introspection-0.10.8' >>> gmake: *** [all] Error 2 >>> *** Error code 1 >>> >>> I don't know what to do with this, I'm already considering ports >>> downgrade. >>> >> I traced through the Makefiles in devel/gobject-introspection. They >> are relying on pkg-config, devel/pkgconf in the newer code, to >> provide the location. That's how you end up with: >> >> >> "/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/usr/local/include/gio-unix-2.0/gio/*.h" >> >> Which clearly shouldn't be there as a path. I added the line: >> >> date=2012.07.21.00.00.00 >> >> to my ports supconfig and then did >> >> csup /etc/ports-supfile >> >> That pulled my ports collection back to 2012/07/21 which restored >> pkg-config and removed pkgconf. It probably reverted some other stuff >> too but I can wait a week for this thing to play out. >> >> -- Chris >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Thanks, Chris, for sharing this. I'll, too, try it this way. > > -Jeff > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" BTW, While we were talking, pkgconf was changed. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 09:45:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0751065672 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDDD8FC12 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sw918-0005E2-Kh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:30 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sw918-0002T9-A2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:30 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6V9jTJO003992 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q6V9jTBa003991 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:29 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201207310945.q6V9jTBa003991@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Mail Reference Manual? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:45:31 -0000 mail(1) man page mentions the Mail Reference Manual. The only one I can find is here: docs.freebsd.org/44doc/usd/07.mail/paper.pdf Is this the one? The URL isn't that definitive. It seems to be in troff. Anybody got the sources of this document? Anyway, the description of the "save" command in this reference manual is correct, while the description of the same command in mail(1) man page is wrong. I wanted to copy the relevant fragment from the reference manual to the man page, if I can find the troff sources for the reference. In fact, perhaps it's better to merge the reference manual into the mail(1) man page completely? Or at least add the sources into the base OS too? I understand mail is not very popular these days, but for me a combination of mail/mpack does all I need. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 10:06:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA65106566B for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2558FC14 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156393CDA0; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:05:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q6VA5w6a003217; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:05:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:05:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <20120731120558.6b992df8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201207310945.q6V9jTBa003991@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <201207310945.q6V9jTBa003991@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail Reference Manual? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:06:01 -0000 On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:45:29 +0100 (BST), Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > mail(1) man page mentions the Mail Reference Manual. > The only one I can find is here: > docs.freebsd.org/44doc/usd/07.mail/paper.pdf > Is this the one? The URL isn't that definitive. There's also a local version installed into /usr/share/doc/usd/07.mail as paper.ps.gz and paper.ascii.gz. The corresponding source tree item is a Makefile in /usr/src/share/doc/usd/07.mail which points you to investigate /usr/src/usr.bin/mail/USD.doc; here are the nr (nroff) source files. > In fact, perhaps it's better to merge the reference > manual into the mail(1) man page completely? Sounds possible. > Or > at least add the sources into the base OS too? A pointer to the locally installed documentation would be nice, as it belongs to the base system just like the manpage does, even if it's just mentioned in the SEE ALSO section. > I understand mail is not very popular these days, > but for me a combination of mail/mpack does all I need. Maybe it looks to you that it's not popular among users, but it's very popular among programs. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 10:20:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8E8106566C for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:20:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953A98FC08 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so6796169yhf.13 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 03:20:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=WO0mSotEL2zD81FqH4zssKcqDaeYgHxOdHQDzB3tNeo=; b=VJLis3yp1oGZQOiidjuDhAMQAKndCBZ7KA6uK5BgzpvR7Bi3q0JeY+f+e4ndZkT84A ADL41XPfFHnXSUy2/WPTfj9u9xMjScZ6UJK3dY+tw/jUs1uR31lCsVE0RCtIUNwziVZ5 f3hJJhemCuO+IcsN0d+hH4ygrK/F5CPeKjEO0+aMc/e83PdkoVM+NbnooRf0DepwSWLM I+YLTuWILmMZOi6oFYgFEoiokpAfdfcavE/tZpyhXOZaonZNB6S6h6XS6aji0WAJkPMy H1ua5OOc112VCv7IWrikbt5g7zO0xUUXVkOkYAsvg816X4i+qlSujJP2NsQAV+f33aJQ T7Dw== Received: by 10.50.237.72 with SMTP id va8mr1526615igc.17.1343730023785; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 03:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pb3sm18884577igc.17.2012.07.31.03.20.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 03:20:23 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:20:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) References: <20120731041805.4c8076de.freebsd@edvax.de> <50177052.8080901@mail.com> In-Reply-To: <50177052.8080901@mail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201207310520.14024.lumiwa@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:20:25 -0000 On Tuesday 31 July 2012 00:42:42 Jeff Tipton wrote: > On 07/31/2012 05:18, Polytropon wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:55:46 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote: > >>> Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles > >>> work for you ? > >>> > >>> http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html > >>> > >>> [...] > >> > >> Works here. amd64, > >> > >> firefox-14.0.1,1 > >> linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.236_1 > >> > >> Set up as the Handbook describes. > > > > Also works here, FreeBSD/i386 8.2-STABLE of August 2011, setup > > according to the Handbook, with the difference that I'm using > > Opera here with the following ports: > > > > opera-11.50 > > opera-linuxplugins-11.50 > > linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5 > > And it works here. > chromium-15.0.874.121 OR midori-0.4.2 > linux-f10-flashplugin-11.1r102.55 > > Setup as per Handbook. > I also have IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.1.4) (for Java > applets, also following setup according to Handbook) but I don't think > it makes difference here. > > -Jeff > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Works on Opera here too but after updtae Firefox to 14.0.1 doesn't work on Firefox. Ans as I red on Linux forums they have a problem with Firefox 14.0.1 too. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 10:22:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCB8106566B for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:22:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin.dieringer@gmx.de) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CFA5B8FC14 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 Jul 2012 10:22:42 -0000 Received: from pD9E3116E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO thinkpad.nowhere.local) [217.227.17.110] by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 31 Jul 2012 12:22:42 +0200 X-Authenticated: #21464393 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+cDadX+a+ckXZDxHZLpjcaAit07fAmK2SJLwtgMB ifRS73KpMGWp4k Received: by thinkpad.nowhere.local (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D10415C07; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:22:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thinkpad.nowhere.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DF35C01 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:22:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:22:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Dieringer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120730232526.4683.qmail@joyce.lan> Message-ID: References: <20120730232526.4683.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Firefox 14 build broken due to wrong libpng X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martin Dieringer List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:22:50 -0000 On Tue, 30 Jul 2012, John Levine wrote: > In article <20120730045308.GH7369@mail3.dcoder.net> you write: >> same problem. so i rebuilt png w/ >> >> OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On >> >> firefox build still fails because of complaints about APNG. what am i missing >> here? > > I rebuilt png with APNG turned on (make && make deinstall && make install clean) > > The png errors went away but it still failed. The last few lines of the log are below. > > This is 8.3 on amd64, ports are as far as I know fully up to date. > > Regards, > John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", > Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly > > > > c++ -o nsNSSCallbacks.o -c -I../../../../dist/stl_wrappers -I../../../../dist/system_wrappers -include ../../../.././../config/gcc_hidden.h -DNSS_ENABLE_ECC -DDLL_PREFIX=\"lib\" -DDLL_SUFFIX=\".so\" -DMOZ_GLUE_IN_PROGRAM -DXPCOM_TRANSLATE_NSGM_ENTRY_POINT=1 -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -D_IMPL_NS_COM -DEXPORT_XPT_API -DEXPORT_XPTC_API -D_IMPL_NS_GFX -D_IMPL_NS_WIDGET -DIMPL_XREAPI -DIMPL_NS_NET -DIMPL_THEBES -DSTATIC_EXPORTABLE_JS_API -DOSTYPE=\"FreeBSD8\" -DOSARCH=FreeBSD -I/usr/local/include/nss -I../../../.././../security/manager/ssl/src -I. -I../../../../dist/include -I../../../../dist/include/nsprpub -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -fPIC -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -fno-rtti -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Werror=return-type -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-overlength-strings -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-variadic-macros -Wcast-align - > O2 -pipe > -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-exceptions -fno-strict-aliasing -fshort-wchar -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -DMOZILLA_CLIENT -include ../../../../mozilla-config.h /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSCallbacks.cpp > /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsProtectedAuthThread.cpp: In member function 'void nsProtectedAuthThread::Run()': > /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsProtectedAuthThread.cpp:164: warning: unused variable 'rv' > nsNSSComponent.cpp > c++ -o nsNSSComponent.o -c -I../../../../dist/stl_wrappers -I../../../../dist/system_wrappers -include ../../../.././../config/gcc_hidden.h -DNSS_ENABLE_ECC -DDLL_PREFIX=\"lib\" -DDLL_SUFFIX=\".so\" -DMOZ_GLUE_IN_PROGRAM -DXPCOM_TRANSLATE_NSGM_ENTRY_POINT=1 -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -D_IMPL_NS_COM -DEXPORT_XPT_API -DEXPORT_XPTC_API -D_IMPL_NS_GFX -D_IMPL_NS_WIDGET -DIMPL_XREAPI -DIMPL_NS_NET -DIMPL_THEBES -DSTATIC_EXPORTABLE_JS_API -DOSTYPE=\"FreeBSD8\" -DOSARCH=FreeBSD -I/usr/local/include/nss -I../../../.././../security/manager/ssl/src -I. -I../../../../dist/include -I../../../../dist/include/nsprpub -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -fPIC -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -fno-rtti -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Werror=return-type -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-overlength-strings -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-variadic-macros -Wcast-align - > O2 -pipe > -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-exceptions -fno-strict-aliasing -fshort-wchar -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -DMOZILLA_CLIENT -include ../../../../mozilla-config.h /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp > nsNSSErrors.cpp > c++ -o nsNSSErrors.o -c -I../../../../dist/stl_wrappers -I../../../../dist/system_wrappers -include ../../../.././../config/gcc_hidden.h -DNSS_ENABLE_ECC -DDLL_PREFIX=\"lib\" -DDLL_SUFFIX=\".so\" -DMOZ_GLUE_IN_PROGRAM -DXPCOM_TRANSLATE_NSGM_ENTRY_POINT=1 -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -D_IMPL_NS_COM -DEXPORT_XPT_API -DEXPORT_XPTC_API -D_IMPL_NS_GFX -D_IMPL_NS_WIDGET -DIMPL_XREAPI -DIMPL_NS_NET -DIMPL_THEBES -DSTATIC_EXPORTABLE_JS_API -DOSTYPE=\"FreeBSD8\" -DOSARCH=FreeBSD -I/usr/local/include/nss -I../../../.././../security/manager/ssl/src -I. -I../../../../dist/include -I../../../../dist/include/nsprpub -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -fPIC -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -fno-rtti -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Werror=return-type -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-overlength-strings -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-variadic-macros -Wcast-align -O2 > -pipe -f > no-strict-aliasing -fno-exceptions -fno-strict-aliasing -fshort-wchar -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -DMOZILLA_CLIENT -include ../../../../mozilla-config.h /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSErrors.cpp > /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp: In member function 'virtual nsresult nsCryptoHash::Finish(bool, nsACString_internal&)': > /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp:2879: error: 'BTOA_DataToAscii' was not declared in this scope > /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp: In member function 'virtual nsresult nsCryptoHMAC::Finish(bool, nsACString_internal&)': > /usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp:3070: error: 'BTOA_DataToAscii' was not declared in this scope > gmake[5]: *** [nsNSSComponent.o] Error 1 > gmake[5]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... > gmake[5]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3/security/manager/ssl/src' > gmake[4]: *** [libs] Error 2 > gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3/security/manager/ssl' > gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2 > gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3/security/manager' > gmake[2]: *** [libs_tier_platform] Error 2 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3' > gmake[1]: *** [tier_platform] Error 2 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla-release/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3' > gmake: *** [default] Error 2 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox. > same error here, FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #12 this is /var/db/ports/firefox/options: # Options for firefox-14.0.1,1 _OPTIONS_READ=firefox-14.0.1,1 _FILE_COMPLETE_OPTIONS_LIST=DBUS DEBUG GNOME GSTREAMER LIBPROXY LOGGING OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS PGO ALSA OSS PULSEAUDIO GTK2 QT4 GCONF GIO GNOMEUI GNOMEVFS2 OPTIONS_FILE_SET+=DBUS OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=DEBUG OPTIONS_FILE_SET+=GNOME OPTIONS_FILE_SET+=GSTREAMER OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=LIBPROXY OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=LOGGING OPTIONS_FILE_SET+=OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=PGO OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=ALSA OPTIONS_FILE_SET+=OSS OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=PULSEAUDIO OPTIONS_FILE_SET+=GTK2 OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=QT4 OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=GCONF OPTIONS_FILE_SET+=GIO OPTIONS_FILE_SET+=GNOMEUI OPTIONS_FILE_SET+=GNOMEVFS2 maybe one of the options breaks it? m. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 12:03:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47341106566B for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93278FC1A for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yokozuna.lan (a83-160-85-125.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.160.85.125]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6VC2HEp057380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:02:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yokozuna.lan (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6VC2HlW006332; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:02:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:02:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Marco Beishuizen Sender: marco@yokozuna.lan To: david coder In-Reply-To: <20120730045308.GH7369@mail3.dcoder.net> Message-ID: References: <196283DD-839D-45E2-8277-861CA590D871@airwired.net> <20120730045308.GH7369@mail3.dcoder.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox 14 build broken due to wrong libpng X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:03:06 -0000 On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, the wise david coder wrote: > same problem. so i rebuilt png w/ > > OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On > > firefox build still fails because of complaints about APNG. what am i > missing here? > > i'm running 8.3, btw, less than a month old. > > david coder My guess is that you need to "portupgrade -rf png" to upgrade png and all ports that depend on it (that means a lot). Regards, Marco -- Corry's Law: Paper is always strongest at the perforations. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 12:47:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010C0106566B for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from venkatduvvuru.ml@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E718FC18 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so13624041obb.13 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:47:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PdrsD2OOMLwaihNKl3sGG9tzTP39B7bGjYHV4q25/9M=; b=XpDl95VFWFrHzoAC2vwMC0kyNE6R0zEjtsit5miD7kyNkDJXZkLoYsmd4M6B70ki3h zCstGw0YcJ+MWf4PgNdxKfrwq2awaRgSslM5LGbNI3Yi9uNfP63x5dVrD2pDaAiUu1xb q4qxmboKZMjlRlMi4VrZo4thVtWLNttOgwNXJ5vmdnLjZJsYKGVYY0FkQtYQf3zYymRN ijddRXADKhuXH+CXd/upXv9DDaDasuC1wMMiCSgekLFRjJWHPGRRCIAtWxHbZakaR27L Q7Ib9yLXbLE6r5SasWET3NEomIXxd92EyIbCJJ93/pIUsK0ZG1pyyM57aZ4H6mNVb/lg RQcg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.50.98 with SMTP id b2mr23081302obo.28.1343738833130; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.8.99 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:17:13 +0530 Message-ID: From: Venkat Duvvuru To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: PCI BAR mmap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:47:14 -0000 Hi, How to mmap PCI BARs from userland in freebsd? In Linux the PCI BAR appears as a file in the sysfs file system. How can I access PCI BAR as a file in freebsd to mmap it? /Venkat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 14:46:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD42F106564A for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:46:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arved@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail01.rise-w.com (mail01.rise-w.com [88.116.105.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641538FC0A for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail01.rise-w.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF6C40E1DC; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:39:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.129.36] (unknown [213.33.60.225]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rise-world.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01AE740E0D4; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:39:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5017EE35.2040509@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:39:49 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?VGlsbWFuIEtlc2tpbsO2eg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: lagg(4) and LACP setup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:46:53 -0000 Hi list, I have the following setup: FreeBSD -if0---------flaky link1 ----Switch----FreeBSD Router | | if1 --------------flaky link2 --- I think the best configuration would be to use lagg(4) with LACP to catch the failing links. I have found several examples to do this with two completely seperate links both computers using lagg interfaces, but in my setup the router has only one interface. AFAI understood the Router needs to answer the LACP packets send by the lagg interface. how do i activate this on a normal ethernet card? 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x52sm958161yhi.8.2012.07.31.09.44.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Wmk5F1pqbz2CG62 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:44:32 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120731124432.705780a8@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201207310520.14024.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <20120731041805.4c8076de.freebsd@edvax.de> <50177052.8080901@mail.com> <201207310520.14024.lumiwa@gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkHB9Zwg6kF4v6dJKmZP7zIYSfbWnF3XRFfQJpScYjpvohwbMPmeoxB8m7oW5QJbnCDFCpJ Subject: Re: Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:44:37 -0000 On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:20:13 -0500 ajtiM articulated: > Works on Opera here too but after updtae Firefox to 14.0.1 doesn't > work on Firefox. Ans as I red on Linux forums they have a problem > with Firefox 14.0.1 too. This one is not working with Firefox 14.0.1 either. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/jon-stewart-you-didnt-build-that_n_1705264.html?ir=Politics&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009&utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=3507831,b=facebook -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 17:42:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2479B106566B for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848678FC08 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6VHg0vi002315; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:42:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q6VHg0Qf002312; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:42:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:42:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Venkat Duvvuru In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:42:00 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PCI BAR mmap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:42:09 -0000 > Hi, > How to mmap PCI BARs from userland in freebsd? > In Linux the PCI BAR appears as a file in the sysfs file system. How can I > access PCI BAR as a file in freebsd to mmap it? if you know the adress (pciconf tool, or by system call i think) then map portion of /dev/mem /dev/mem equals to physical addresses. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 22:15:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FCB106566B for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AC98FC1A for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.28]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFDED82D4 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:44:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-11.arcor-online.net (mail-in-11.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.51]) by mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC83E31A011 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:44:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (dslb-092-075-215-144.pools.arcor-ip.net [92.75.215.144]) by mail-in-11.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB81835A492 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:44:12 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-11.arcor-online.net BB81835A492 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q6VLiC6q004490 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:44:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q6VLiC4e004489 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:44:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <5017EE35.2040509@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lagg(4) and LACP setup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:15:13 -0000 Tilman Keskinöz wrote: > FreeBSD -if0---------flaky link1 ----Switch----FreeBSD Router > | | > if1 --------------flaky link2 --- > > I think the best configuration would be to use lagg(4) with LACP to > catch the failing links. > > I have found several examples to do this with two completely seperate > links both computers using lagg interfaces, but in my setup the router > has only one interface. LACP manages physical links. In your setup above, you would configure LACP on the FreeBSD host (not the router) and on the switch. If the switch doesn't support it, you can't use LACP. > AFAI understood the Router needs to answer the LACP packets send by the > lagg interface. how do i activate this on a normal ethernet card? I think it's possible to create a lagg(4) interface on top of a single physical interface, but that's of no use here. You could use lagg(4) in _failover_ mode on the FreeBSD host. This (like LACP, actually) assumes that the availability of the link is correctly signaled by the interface link state. If by "flaky" you mean that packets are simply blackholed, none of this will work. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 31 23:53:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77A6106566B for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:53:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5768FC15 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnm2 with SMTP id m2so7842059ggn.13 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:53:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=k2DiiW32wBhJfXVu7yxZrZnb5SUjiy0IlJlUnQU1bCE=; b=AhIWrH/zC9ZhIFcmP7adN3zoBctZnacTMzJeywdYsK07qzzl4ydDCA5YPZJBrDI+sb 0s4799c9Vv7Mo8CG7BS4zHzCh+R6VA/ar2y64fPwJUx32vT0wslnCTExeoZimajl5fXj Qfs+zatvwsCesgQc/g7wdMPPto/E3WWXEOX09PYMhjGn+uMZPCOoPYkKkMLbToWk/TUY RL3CkoE7+HdVl1kIFy3M0FKgeTDoZt8t9X5swKbaZXzoNR1InSdf2o3/HAE2M0qzyVer nH2f23Fcy6NEu6aY2FoVd0+tEpM/UU6uWzruBCabKdyPHjNWuDIv97QOaRu78cVGTPtL Fxqg== Received: by 10.50.212.35 with SMTP id nh3mr2853498igc.19.1343778816500; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y5sm2749104igb.11.2012.07.31.16.53.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:53:35 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:53:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) References: <201207310520.14024.lumiwa@gmail.com> <20120731124432.705780a8@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120731124432.705780a8@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201207311853.27743.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: Jerry Subject: Re: Flash in Firefox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:53:38 -0000 On Tuesday 31 July 2012 11:44:32 Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:20:13 -0500 > > ajtiM articulated: > > Works on Opera here too but after updtae Firefox to 14.0.1 doesn't > > work on Firefox. Ans as I red on Linux forums they have a problem > > with Firefox 14.0.1 too. > > This one is not working with Firefox 14.0.1 either. > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/jon-stewart-you-didnt-build-that_n > _1705264.html?ir=Politics&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009&utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&co > mm_ref=false#sb=3507831,b=facebook He is good. It works works on Firefox 14.0.1 now. What I did was again run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i and it works. 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If you want for you= r "operation / proposed" the support through our system, read the info abou= t a BETA period (benefits and how to enter); IN ENGLISH http://tiny.cc/V2E = IN SPANISH http://tiny.cc/V2S In memorial Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011) one the creators of the digital age, h= as retired changed the world: http://tiny.cc/Here_s_to_the_crazy_ones Kind regards and thanks for trusting in our systems.=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 09:02:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5E01065672 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@zog.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C498FC22 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so8255328yen.13 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 02:02:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Ey2FCal9D5AK79iVZ3Z55/tBNr8ElNzt1lSJuElYExk=; b=VMS9XuZs3Pa7InbjCxrloz5oKtDq8qifOHI8jrhm0zHTU2PhYvsr1HAsPyThNJFTOQ uoKOE7cBJ2I1BsCzWIMyFzMeLjGzgJjPrlIVBYQ5B46v/ERcg/+HDoHLXVj3Pd4HqUVh cKOwTZMXEkYLp9GewFigZ7st/IV4JvMvF1UxdpnvUeKkstqOC2juLBMrMdjnRJ7vMKrQ GhwNZ7lhCnK22fPP5PA1cZ9ow8JUQSfPL0RltX0/ZLcvm6a1WFtr0V7kFoCmkdZQFFZI 8/tawRs8CdU8oQZcIbRb9E3rL4rZqUxXXmayRIvIvD2CZymU429ekE1CkIeI/HN4yMnT cLRw== Received: by 10.68.242.228 with SMTP id wt4mr28155388pbc.89.1343811774296; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 02:02:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.55.65 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 02:02:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [167.202.201.6] From: John Salomon Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:02:34 +0200 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmoQL0Ac0RLdipfGY2jCDpcFwEDiwoiIM1WcHEHHHWk2CVz5UWzLpSYFd3G5VEg3TK90Vwk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: No network connectivity to system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:02:57 -0000 Hi, I'm running 9.0-R on a small fileserver. I am weirdly unable to make any connections (tcp, udp, icmp) to the machine and am hoping someone has some off-the-cuff ideas. I violated rule #1 (don't sysadmin while tired) and somehow nuked my ipfw configuration while attempting to set up NAT via OpenVPN (using IPDIVERT in my kernel build). I rebuilt it from memory, but since then, I cannot connect to the machine at all. I do not believe that it is ipfw related. I've tried enabling/disabling ipfw via sysctl and /etc/rc.conf. I've flushed all rules, as well as installed an entirely open ruleset. I've re-built and booted into a kernel with all IPFIREWALL-related options (including IPDIVERT) commented out. While I had denyhosts installed, it's disabled. I've tried single user mode with networking enabled. The system boots fine. It NFS-mounts network drives without problem. Default gateway and network configuration look fine, it can ping and connect to both LAN and Internet addresses. tcpdump sees incoming connections, but no replies. Inetd is running. From the system console itself, I can telnet to all ports on its IP. Syslog tells me nothing. No console messages. I'm missing something utterly fundamentally idiotically harebrained and I have no clue what it could be - I'd be endlessly grateful for any tips or ideas on what to try (beyond an exorcist). Thanks! -John -- John Morgan Salomon john - at - zog.net www.zog.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 09:32:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772E6106566B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:32:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psychosensor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3598F8FC08 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbz22 with SMTP id z22so8196438ghb.13 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 02:32:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3B5s8JpDhO/IlzTiaQzccFJIoMoKM6953MsbpdhCxyk=; b=l2yrhF8tLpSNWcDWhVh9RqgMGfHdOM+8+LiGmshD4U/0wMx2aopGDH3uxEGU3irLY4 s6g/7YE47gmlU8f1i2L8YvPgfZYOK8MDf+MDUmcpxA4LJpiqHvZLs3K4KCw13ex6WZiM MRwLbBweaePdI2fhvyJW4/t1qJcSMdpU6M2v6RuCgNs3DI9q2NKXDE8OoeZ81BgNHj8/ RdZUfB8F7rkyVi0hQ+CBh/DEEhLSVKk6spnXtfDrf2t5QAhktJquNWpJwqVRssFFT8Q9 9SarTkU/IbEIJiqNWnkngh9yghx543R4QOx+n9ohvb9KMWN2jWreY6UKcPijpPetzBOd SXng== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.138.138 with SMTP id a10mr16165841yhj.39.1343813540859; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 02:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.212.9 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 02:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:32:20 +0300 Message-ID: From: Sergey Listopad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:32:27 -0000 Hi. I try to boot topic on retro dual PIII Intel L440GX+ based system. It is onboard AIC-7896 SCSI controller with 1 COMPAQ HDD. CDROM is IDE. When I try boot from installation CD, boot stuck on CD Loader 1.2 ... BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 Consoles: internal video/keyboard BIOS CD is cd0 BIOS drive A: is disk0 If I remove HDD, system (/boot/loader) boot from CD just fine. Then I insert HDD (hotswap) and able to install on it. But after reboot (with installation CD disk removed from drive) system unable to boot. And stuck on the same place, after ... BIOS drive A: is disk0 Maybe anybody can help me to resolve this issue. I can post any additional information which may be helpful. Thanx. -- S.Listopad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 11:35:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDD71065678 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876B48FC08 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwXDO-0000pJ-PQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:35:46 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:35:46 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:35:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:35:53 -0000 Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > > Hi. > > I try to boot topic on retro dual PIII Intel L440GX+ based system. It > is onboard AIC-7896 SCSI controller with 1 COMPAQ HDD. CDROM is IDE. > When I try boot from installation CD, boot stuck on > > CD Loader 1.2 > ... > BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 > Consoles: internal video/keyboard > BIOS CD is cd0 > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > I would suggest that you get a Live CD from one of Linux distros: Knoppix, Debian, Fedora. It looks criticial to learn more about your disk (manufacturer, model, etc) - you get it with 'dmesg', and about your disk partitions - you get it with 'cfdisk',or 'fdisk', or 'parted' Post it all here. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 11:48:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0848F106566B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8748FC12 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:48:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwXPg-0007pc-Hg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:48:28 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:48:28 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:48:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:48:30 -0000 jb gmail.com> writes: > ... A follow-up: do not forget about BIOS setup - go over it slowly and pay attention to any settings related to boot order (hd, cd-rom, network, usb, etc), type of hd drive and parameters, hd controller, etc. Write it down and post here as well. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 12:05:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9059106564A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631DF8FC0C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwXg3-00039I-CZ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:05:23 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:05:23 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:05:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 10 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:05:32 -0000 Hi, this should not be ignored; sooner or later things will get nasty ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/ The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its ports, the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan. This should actually happen regardless of MS in the shadows and validity of their claims. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 12:19:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65945106564A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:19:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from millenia2000@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0328FC0A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY165-DS10 ([65.54.190.187]) by bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 05:19:27 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [174.252.123.40] X-EIP: [Tf75PvMnaTh1lZt9sbV+LI+6r4UYygCP] X-Originating-Email: [millenia2000@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: Sean Cavanaugh To: "'jb'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:19:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJ7bNVKRNDn7BAS6W0gb9ZxLG5Y25Xo5cyw Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2012 12:19:27.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4C9E840:01CD6FDF] Cc: Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:19:34 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of jb > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 8:05 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? > > Hi, > this should not be ignored; sooner or later things will get nasty ... > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/ > > The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its > ports, the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan. > This should actually happen regardless of MS in the shadows and validity of > their claims. > jb > Are you referring to actual Linux-based software or are you confusing GNU-based software? Remember that Linux is only the kernel, GNU is the OS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 12:34:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A82A106566B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F848FC08 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1SwXkp-000HET-V5; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:10:19 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:10:14 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: jb , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? Thread-Index: AQHNb95JMRSs0ddIuUKC6//Krxm14pdE3Ve+ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:10:13 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.128] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:34:35 -0000 =0A= FUD. Ignore. They're going the same way as SCO.=0A= =0A= T.G.W=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.= org] on behalf of jb [jb.1234abcd@gmail.com]=0A= Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:05 PM=0A= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A= Subject: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?=0A= =0A= Hi,=0A= this should not be ignored; sooner or later things will get nasty ...=0A= http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/=0A= =0A= The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its po= rts,=0A= the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan.=0A= This should actually happen regardless of MS in the shadows and validity of= =0A= their claims.=0A= jb=0A= =0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A= http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A= To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "=0A= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 12:52:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F68E1065672 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:52:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psychosensor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB658FC1D for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so8490430yen.13 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:52:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YuSAhjAdYxy56cu0SGyG2T7VJfJURnBXis2DmOwPKM0=; b=kY7bh8hqqUqr4aexOTtJ+sKnka121qtxInFuOMkd7P9pc5RhVvHQknwJzIJcJZg49W AaG+QXb1ZPrNtE6PK00N16cTVL0a91hQkD7mH6AW4jUbudJNelIDXDRLLQr61JO08RJY Wd3PQNWWXqxPNSlnSfYlFxj+phSEQGTvzxxP1K7hnisFtiXwOuLkGkV3EuRf6GrwssYP RLtUqBP/E6AoBp+ap8urvX9mFmeMxFNZS05jMfjzYw8C1ddJKqqWF9s33O2MIBQ74XfY jbrBdrkP0x1UMqCpzeAsATk7l60T4PgDEnP07IwFQVV1iIxN9OpzoSWnNjZtMfnx4JU5 GIlA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.181.196 with SMTP id l44mr16490974yhm.97.1343825562355; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.212.9 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 05:52:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:52:42 +0300 Message-ID: From: Sergey Listopad To: jb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:52:44 -0000 2012/8/1 jb : > Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > >> >> Hi. >> >> I try to boot topic on retro dual PIII Intel L440GX+ based system. It >> is onboard AIC-7896 SCSI controller with 1 COMPAQ HDD. CDROM is IDE. >> When I try boot from installation CD, boot stuck on >> >> CD Loader 1.2 >> ... >> BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 >> Consoles: internal video/keyboard >> BIOS CD is cd0 >> BIOS drive A: is disk0 >> > > I would suggest that you get a Live CD from one of Linux distros: Knoppix, > Debian, Fedora. > It looks criticial to learn more about your disk (manufacturer, model, etc) - > you get it with 'dmesg', and about your disk partitions - you get it with > 'cfdisk',or 'fdisk', or 'parted' > Post it all here. HDD is COMPAQ AD00932372 9.1Gb 10000RPM It is autopartitioned by bsd installer on step 2 (boot without HDD and insert it when kernel is booting). -- S.Listopad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 13:05:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C065106566B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:05:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83648FC0C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwYc9-00037f-Hk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:05:25 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:05:25 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:05:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:05:27 -0000 Sean Cavanaugh hotmail.com> writes: > ... > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/ > > > > The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its > > ports, the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan. > > This should actually happen regardless of MS in the shadows and validity > > of > > their claims. > > jb > > > > Are you referring to actual Linux-based software or are you confusing > GNU-based software? Remember that Linux is only the kernel, GNU is the OS. > ... This is about patents, so mostly technologies. Well, FreeBSD does not care obout Linux kernel, but GNU software and GNU/Linux OS-specific technologies migrated with their apps into FreeBSD. This is a scan of ports with "linux" keyword: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linux&stype=all It looks somewhat silly to have to rely on those "Linux-whatever" things to be a functional FreeBSD OS ... FUD or not, has FreeBSD examined in the past its reliance on non-FreeBSD software ? It made a first imporant step with clang/clang++ and associated libc/c++ to counter GPL trickery; there could be done much more to eliminate Linux-based software. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 13:11:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9FE106566C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2048FC0C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q71DBZWH003300; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:11:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q71DBZHo003297; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:11:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:11:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: jb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:11:36 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:11:41 -0000 > this should not be ignored; sooner or later things will get nasty ... > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/ > > The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its ports, > the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan. ports are not software itself. ports are set of tools to build/install someone else software. FreeBSD doesn't force you to install any ports, and core system doesn't consist of linux software at all. It is not the FreeBSD and core team responsibility of what ports you are using. Appropriate licence files are put in ports tree. > This should actually happen regardless of MS in the shadows and validity of > their claims. Why? Core system and ports are two clearly separate things. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 13:12:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AED1065670 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136D68FC16 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q71DCBBL003306; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:12:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q71DCAXh003303; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:12:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:12:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Traiano Welcome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:12:11 +0200 (CEST) Cc: jb , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:12:13 -0000 > FUD. Ignore. They're going the same way as SCO. even if not it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in port tree and require user to accept it. > > T.G.W > > > > ________________________________________ > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] on behalf of jb [jb.1234abcd@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:05 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? > > Hi, > this should not be ignored; sooner or later things will get nasty ... > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/ > > The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its ports, > the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan. > This should actually happen regardless of MS in the shadows and validity of > their claims. > jb > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 13:14:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC06F1065675 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3E58FC1F for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q71DEb8c003324; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:14:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q71DEbII003321; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:14:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:14:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: jb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:14:41 -0000 > This is a scan of ports with "linux" keyword: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linux&stype=all > It looks somewhat silly to have to rely on those "Linux-whatever" things to be > a functional FreeBSD OS ... still you are talking on ports. In what base system rely on linux? > It made a first imporant step with clang/clang++ and associated libc/c++ to > counter GPL trickery; there could be done much more to eliminate Linux-based > software. #cd /usr/src/gnu/ #ls usr.bin lib lib: Makefile csu libgcc libgomp libreadline libssp libsupc++ Makefile.inc libdialog libgcov libodialog libregex libstdc++ usr.bin: Makefile cc diff gdb groff sdiff texinfo Makefile.inc cvs diff3 gperf patch send-pr binutils dialog dtc grep rcs sort on my clang-free FreeBSD 9 system. do not exaggerate. clang move is already too early and IMHO wrong. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 13:39:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC4F106564A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:39:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A5E8FC0A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1SwZ96-000JLR-6N; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:39:28 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:39:22 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: Wojciech Puchar Thread-Topic: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? Thread-Index: AQHNb95JMRSs0ddIuUKC6//Krxm14pdE3Ve+///v6QCAACZvxQ== Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:39:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.128] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: jb , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:39:33 -0000 =0A= >even if not =A0it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in po= rt=0A= >tree and require user to accept it.=0A= =0A= Probably won't even have to do that. People can download, compile and run = whatever they want on a base operating system, but as long as the base oper= ating system (FreeBSD in our case) remains "legally un-encumbered" with pat= ented code, nobody really cares. If individual users decide they want to co= mpile and run copyrighted software on FreeBSD (or linux) it will be a matte= r between M$ and the particular user in question, not the community providi= ng the base OS and user space tools.=0A= =0A= The SCO-IBM debacle some years ago triggered a huge review of open source = copyrights in the linux (and *bsd) community. SCO failed to get anything ba= ck then, and it's hard to imagine how M$ will get anything now that there'= s broader awareness in "the community" around software patent infringement.= =0A= =0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Wojciech Puchar [wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl]=0A= Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:12 PM=0A= To: Traiano Welcome=0A= Cc: jb; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A= Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?=0A= =0A= > FUD. Ignore. They're going the same way as SCO.=0A= =0A= even if not it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in port= =0A= tree and require user to accept it.=0A= =0A= >=0A= > T.G.W=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > ________________________________________=0A= > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-questions@freebs= d.org] on behalf of jb [jb.1234abcd@gmail.com]=0A= > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:05 PM=0A= > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A= > Subject: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?=0A= >=0A= > Hi,=0A= > this should not be ignored; sooner or later things will get nasty ...=0A= > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/=0A= >=0A= > The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its = ports,=0A= > the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan.=0A= > This should actually happen regardless of MS in the shadows and validity = of=0A= > their claims.=0A= > jb=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A= > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A= > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg"=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A= > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A= > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg"=0A= >=0A= >=0A= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 13:43:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C27106566B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713288FC0A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwZDR-000705-G7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:43:57 +0200 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:43:57 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:43:57 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:43:59 -0000 Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > ... > > I would suggest that you get a Live CD from one of Linux distros: Knoppix, > > Debian, Fedora. > > It looks criticial to learn more about your disk (manufacturer, model, etc) - > > you get it with 'dmesg', and about your disk partitions - you get it with > > 'cfdisk',or 'fdisk', or 'parted' > > Post it all here. > > HDD is COMPAQ AD00932372 9.1Gb 10000RPM > It is autopartitioned by bsd installer on step 2 (boot without HDD and > insert it when kernel is booting). > You want to boot your system with hd in place. Here is some additional info: Hardware supported by FB-9 http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.0R/hardware.html ... The ahc(4) driver supports the following SCSI host adapter chips and SCSI controller cards: ... Adaptec AIC7896 host adapter chip ... ahc(4) driver: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ahc&sektion=4&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE Read it. On my FB-9: $ kldstat -v |grep -i ahc 55 ahc 52 pci/ahc_pci 51 isa/ahc_isa 50 eisa/ahc_eisa 48 pci/ahci 47 atapci/ahci 46 ahci/ahcich 72 pci/ata_ahci 71 atapci/ata_ahci_ata So, the kernel includes the drivers. Also: $ sysctl -a | grep -i ahc options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT device ahci device ahc dev.ahci.0.%desc: Intel ICH8M AHCI SATA controller dev.ahci.0.%driver: ahci dev.ahci.0.%location: slot=31 function=2 handle=\_SB_.PCI0.SATA dev.ahci.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=0x8086 device=0x2829 subvendor=0x17aa subdevice=0x20a7 class=0x010601 dev.ahci.0.%parent: pci0 dev.ahcich.0.%desc: AHCI channel dev.ahcich.0.%driver: ahcich dev.ahcich.0.%location: channel=0 dev.ahcich.0.%parent: ahci0 dev.ahcich.1.%desc: AHCI channel dev.ahcich.1.%driver: ahcich dev.ahcich.1.%location: channel=2 dev.ahcich.1.%parent: ahci0 Do what I said in previous post - look at BIOS and get dmesg from Linux live CD (it may show a hint about something specific on controller/driver or hd, or cause of trouble if it does not boot with Linux too). jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 15:50:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F26106566B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:50:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from millenia2000@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B1E8FC0A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY165-DS14 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 08:49:44 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [174.252.123.40] X-EIP: [R0pViSbmzaPaeHJ+KgmKvercdAreNaoF] X-Originating-Email: [millenia2000@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: Sean Cavanaugh To: "'Wojciech Puchar'" , "'Traiano Welcome'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:49:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJ7bNVKRNDn7BAS6W0gb9ZxLG5Y2wJodVqpAsrINeKVv4TW8A== Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2012 15:49:44.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[453F7C90:01CD6FFD] Cc: 'jb' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:50:50 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:12 AM > To: Traiano Welcome > Cc: jb; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? > > > FUD. Ignore. They're going the same way as SCO. > > even if not it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in port tree > and require user to accept it. > > > That already exists. Install java and it will have you manually download it so as to accept their license, or the Intel NIC drivers that have you add a license acknowledge line in loader.conf. FreeBSD as a whole is not encumbered. that was whole issue over the UNIX license issues way back when (which indirectly led Linus Torvalds to write Linux). Further releasing the burden has been seen with the replacement of GCC with CLANG to get the core OS to be as close to 100% BSD licensed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 16:20:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D60E106564A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:20:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB748FC1A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q71GKIUf007321; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:20:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q71GKH2F007318; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:20:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:20:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Traiano Welcome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: , User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2456600518-1573730205-1343838018=:7315" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:20:18 +0200 (CEST) Cc: jb , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:20:22 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2456600518-1573730205-1343838018=:7315 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT >> even if not  it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in port >> tree and require user to accept it. > > Probably won't even have to do that. People can download, compile and run whatever they want on a base operating system, > but as long as the base operating system (FreeBSD in our case) remains >"legally un-encumbered" with patented code, nobody really cares. If >individual users decide they want to compile and run copyrighted software >on FreeBSD (or linux) it will be a matter between M$ and the particular >user in question, not the community providing the base OS and user space >tools. this is exactly what i meant. FreeBSD users should be happy about that situation as linux is far more media-popular and screens other free unices from attacks. --2456600518-1573730205-1343838018=:7315-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 20:08:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D1F1065674 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:08:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418208FC0A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwfDb-00084W-Dp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:08:31 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:08:31 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:08:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:08:33 -0000 Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > > Hi. > > I try to boot topic on retro dual PIII Intel L440GX+ based system. It > is onboard AIC-7896 SCSI controller with 1 COMPAQ HDD. CDROM is IDE. > When I try boot from installation CD, boot stuck on > > CD Loader 1.2 > ... > BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 > Consoles: internal video/keyboard > BIOS CD is cd0 > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > > If I remove HDD, system (/boot/loader) boot from CD just fine. Then I > insert HDD (hotswap) and able to install on it. But after reboot (with > installation CD disk removed from drive) system unable to boot. And > stuck on the same place, after > ... > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > > Maybe anybody can help me to resolve this issue. I can post any > additional information which may be helpful. > > Thanx. > If FreeBSD boot loader can not find a root partition (slice), you can help with a boot parameter, for example vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:ad4s4a" After booting, verify and update /etc/fstab, otherwise add it to /boot/loader.conf . Also, the FreeBSD boot slice must be marked as bootable ("active"). jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 02:25:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059CB1065670 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 02:25:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dacoder@dcoder.net) Received: from ns3.dcoder.net (ns3.dcoder.net [128.177.28.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBA48FC1D for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 02:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ns3.dcoder.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DAA675DAC5; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:25:24 -0400 From: david coder To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120802022524.GB15076@mail3.dcoder.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: confused about the png/APNG issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:25:47 -0000 one thing i don't understand about what otherwise seemed to me the best suggestion for dealing with this issue: assuming that "the system png" refers to the png that comes w/ the freebsd distributions, how would upgrading the png port help? wouldn't the other ports continue to use the system png? there was, i know, a hint or two that upgrading old systems was a necessary part of the fix, but then why would the port matter @ all then, ie, why wouldn't updating the system be sufficient? obviously, i'm confused. will some patient person please explain where i'm going wrong? david coder From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 05:00:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCFD106566B for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 05:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF308FC0C for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 05:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4143CDD2; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 07:00:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7250YgC001925; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 07:00:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 07:00:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: david coder Message-Id: <20120802070034.d9980c4d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120802022524.GB15076@mail3.dcoder.net> References: <20120802022524.GB15076@mail3.dcoder.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: confused about the png/APNG issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 05:00:45 -0000 On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:25:24 -0400, david coder wrote: > one thing i don't understand about what otherwise seemed to me the best > suggestion for dealing with this issue: assuming that "the system png" > refers to the png that comes w/ the freebsd distributions, how would > upgrading the png port help? The operating system FreeBSD (i. e. the base system) does _not_ come with a PNG library. You won't find it if you search through the /usr/src tree (which contains the sources for all the stuff in the base system). The libpng is a 3rd party addition - a port (or a package) which other software depends on. So if you need to update it, you need to deal with the ports, not with the base system. Unlike Linux, FreeBSD doesn't come in distributions. There is _one_ base system. _THE_ operating system FreeBSD. It contains of a defined set of components maintained by the FreeBSD team. > wouldn't the other ports continue to use the > system png? there was, i know, a hint or two that upgrading old systems was > a necessary part of the fix, but then why would the port matter @ all then, > ie, why wouldn't updating the system be sufficient? Such a procedure (i. e. updating the OS) _might_ be required to get certain ports running. I'm not sure this is related to the libpng issue, but basically it's _possible_ that such steps may be needed for some software (which for example only runs on the 8- and 9- branch of the OS, but not on 7- anymore). You need to understand that FreeBSD (the OS) is not arbitrarily composed from packages like Linux distributions. In their context, that what forms their base system (different among the distros!) is created by selecting packages, and even the kernel can be seen as a package. Many (most?) distros also include X and various software, so they chose the PNG library to be part of that basic distribution content. > obviously, i'm confused. will some patient person please explain where i'm > going wrong? I think it has been done hereby. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 09:56:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292631065670 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:56:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psychosensor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CEE8FC0C for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so9960131yen.13 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:56:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VT8BP4r97GQpNXuNjSKqAOriSMYU0GhUpCfGSBmA+xQ=; b=TyUQYHLtJqXL1OgO/7H7FYT/BJRF8ku/Qoo06F+b29vj1b/KS5JKrSnr9FWjkdz6Z1 1u+sG5YdYwaEZHq2rucWWrGsoWNG2tD11iwYmUA1XTrwVN8sxrs6SxPaBhykGOiFfQtX 0vGj3TMRlB54nwsU+9UJ39a0L6OhBbBlD8PNlHHiMFO/VajEkDT2WuSFdWSiUEcT7irk XOz0uDbBbyHlcFv2qaC6Th2UHaB/XbrStUocwxblaXFMDpeNjRRcKJo8DQT9PNzJ1dJ+ lTkyBDPmF6RxyQAH+ZG8hWZZV6Ij6stGW1gTyWSUKFSMU3MbhnqKDXrBEwGcTC2/2qqa YWwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.138.138 with SMTP id a10mr19580892yhj.39.1343901370451; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.212.9 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 02:56:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:56:10 +0300 Message-ID: From: Sergey Listopad To: jb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:56:17 -0000 2012/8/1 jb : > Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > >> >> Hi. >> >> I try to boot topic on retro dual PIII Intel L440GX+ based system. It >> is onboard AIC-7896 SCSI controller with 1 COMPAQ HDD. CDROM is IDE. >> When I try boot from installation CD, boot stuck on >> >> CD Loader 1.2 >> ... >> BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 >> Consoles: internal video/keyboard >> BIOS CD is cd0 >> BIOS drive A: is disk0 >> >> If I remove HDD, system (/boot/loader) boot from CD just fine. Then I >> insert HDD (hotswap) and able to install on it. But after reboot (with >> installation CD disk removed from drive) system unable to boot. And >> stuck on the same place, after >> ... >> BIOS drive A: is disk0 >> >> Maybe anybody can help me to resolve this issue. I can post any >> additional information which may be helpful. >> >> Thanx. >> > > If FreeBSD boot loader can not find a root partition (slice), you can help > with a boot parameter, for example > vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:ad4s4a" > > After booting, verify and update /etc/fstab, otherwise add it to > /boot/loader.conf . > > Also, the FreeBSD boot slice must be marked as bootable ("active"). > jb > As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do something. But what exactly?) I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable), by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt) >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader boot:/boot/kernel/kernel and then mountroot> ufs:/dev/da0p2 -- S.Listopad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 11:41:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CED1065672 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C148FC0A for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwtmP-0003YZ-BY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:41:29 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:41:25 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:41:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:41:42 -0000 Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > ... > As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel > booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do > something. But what exactly?) > > I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable), > by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt) > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader > boot:/boot/kernel/kernel > > and then > mountroot> ufs:/dev/da0p2 Some remarks that may be helpful. fdisk(8) ... In order for the BIOS to boot the kernel, certain conventions must be adhered to. Sector 0 of the disk must contain boot code, a slice table, and a magic number. BIOS slices can be used to break the disk up into several pieces. The BIOS brings in sector 0 and verifies the magic num- ber. The sector 0 boot code then searches the slice table to determine which slice is marked ``active''. This boot code then brings in the bootstrap from the active slice and, if marked bootable, runs it. ... boot0cfg(8) -- boot manager installation/configuration utility To see the first 512 bytes of your first harddisk: # dd if=/dev/ada0 count=1 | hexdump -C http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-trouble.html ... here is this weird BIOS, IDE, SCSI disk numbering stuff ... jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 12:14:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BF4106564A for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:14:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaltheat@zoho.com) Received: from sender1.zohomail.com (sender1.zohomail.com [72.5.230.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBB98FC0C for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:14:03 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=zapps768; d=zoho.com; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type:user-agent:sender; b=Nj624lhFGXyO9vibw2sBv29xYVAGgeg95A8bvee67JfEwXlr12zVKAs5n4s3zNBVYGPBUxWJ1KSP hv+RtZx0/6+q+Ok/uBS7YMq0HEGkskuCOGOps6g74JoK0pXvTacJ Received: from 172.29.249.242 (172.29.249.242 [172.29.249.242]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1343906452330361.9267909600592; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 04:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:20:52 +0200 From: kaltheat To: Message-ID: <743721353.9443.1343906452119.JavaMail.sas1@172.29.249.242> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Sender: kaltheat@zoho.com Subject: buggy awk regex handling? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:14:03 -0000 Hi, I tried to replace three letters with three letters by awk using the sub-routine. I assumed that my regular expression does mean the following: match if three letters of any letter of alphabet occurs anywhere in input $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' AbC As you can see the result was unexpected. When I try doing it for at least one letter, it works: $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]+/,"cBa"); print;}' cBa Same problem without macro: $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[A-Za-z]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' AbC $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[A-Za-z]+/,"cBa"); print;}' cBa I thought that it might have something to do with the curly braces. But escaping them doesn't do the trick. What am I doing wrong? Or is awk buggy? Regards, kaltheat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 13:17:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CD3106566C for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:17:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C478FC08 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:17:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaak11 with SMTP id k11so1131350eaa.13 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 06:17:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OGiIjmOS5WCcTmwXuZ2GBHSNUBmYBuz7hwJnL3BE4lY=; b=sqiQE4cVp4gSglvwkeQP87VVwEllMpC4USyIUYr9r7eEPzTD9QGhHMcDAJJlUjiDgX 1B9fdFjY0899ZIIJBYRr/AX0fIoic4Q51yUraMRHqnaTcUoBft7Lcc8vPA2+QOUw5vgd +ek7DyxpAl7B1lMoCQhTETBePRyIEOruyv2VMhmkyayOGetAtdUpY4/y0gl/6flbM1MB NFe3eQBUFPMzUZSzhwy6JXR2dGFKCVmj4YPzhb4yP9LOK+xR2hCCcuejJPwLnBEk37Y/ tJ8TCmcGqDGQsZRk1m4Zu6lcEKzn0mohPOJQqWxQDecuV57LDTULHgIOKr3iOfH8TYBT ywJw== Received: by 10.14.177.3 with SMTP id c3mr26761118eem.30.1343913462202; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 06:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm17363756eeg.16.2012.08.02.06.17.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 06:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:17:38 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120802141738.62ef1e45@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <743721353.9443.1343906452119.JavaMail.sas1@172.29.249.242> References: <743721353.9443.1343906452119.JavaMail.sas1@172.29.249.242> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: buggy awk regex handling? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:17:43 -0000 On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:20:52 +0200 kaltheat wrote: > > > Hi, > > I tried to replace three letters with three letters by awk using the > sub-routine. I assumed that my regular expression does mean the > following: > > match if three letters of any letter of alphabet occurs anywhere in > input > > $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' > AbC > > As you can see the result was unexpected. > When I try doing it for at least one letter, it works: > > $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]+/,"cBa"); print;}' > cBa > ... > What am I doing wrong? > Or is awk buggy? Traditional awk implementations don't support {n}, but I think POSIX implementations should. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 14:04:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB4C106564A for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B439F8FC08 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q72E4l7c081059; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:04:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q72E4lkc081056; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:04:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:04:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: RW In-Reply-To: <20120802141738.62ef1e45@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: References: <743721353.9443.1343906452119.JavaMail.sas1@172.29.249.242> <20120802141738.62ef1e45@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:04:47 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: buggy awk regex handling? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:04:50 -0000 On Thu, 2 Aug 2012, RW wrote: > On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:20:52 +0200 > kaltheat wrote: > >> I tried to replace three letters with three letters by awk using the >> sub-routine. I assumed that my regular expression does mean the >> following: >> >> match if three letters of any letter of alphabet occurs anywhere in >> input >> >> $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' >> AbC >> >> As you can see the result was unexpected. >> When I try doing it for at least one letter, it works: >> >> $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]+/,"cBa"); print;}' >> cBa >> ... >> What am I doing wrong? >> Or is awk buggy? > > Traditional awk implementations don't support {n}, but I think POSIX > implementations should. Using gawk instead of awk agrees with that. Printing the result of the sub (the number of substitutions performed) makes it a little more clear: % echo AbC | awk '{print sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' 0 AbC % echo AbC | gawk '{print sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' 1 cBa sed can handle it: % echo AbC | sed -E 's/[[:alpha:]]{3}/cBa/' cBa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 14:55:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B8D106564A for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FCF8FC12 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Swwnz-0000Gk-Rv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:55:20 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:55:15 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:55:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:55:25 -0000 Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > ... > As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel > booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do > something. But what exactly?) > > I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable), > by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt) > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader > boot:/boot/kernel/kernel OK. So it looks like you have succeeded with stage 1 and 2. At this point the boot slice is known - the boot process knows where to find defaults. After that stage 3 should be auto-executed, but it does not. At this point check if you have /boot.config by chance. This file, if exists, may contain options modifying stages of the boot process, in this case the transition from stage 2 to 3 is of interest. Check it out and, if applies, read BOOT.CONFIG(5) and its examples. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 15:04:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B06B106564A for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psychosensor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C1C8FC0A for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:04:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so10308503yhf.13 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=c2ymLHBY2xn3jzhL5zHc55KqXqzjJTpRFu/3ywWIb1Y=; b=v2lZKt7KJYUbu+Y+PpHkCRmj+ii3iloN8Nlnv5CXq0NFXD5bPRO6TgYdQqqNrTd6rp dl9vP4QfAJCIJULv4QyHX6kZV3z60MqzIW4Nk2oIi0gM3lHVCarTA/I0gZb3tWDnU6D5 4f0FR0s8SsqD43Pm6ejuCAc8izAymhEf32V0YMrGis/RywpLvgl+8/S1+qAdu1SfZWWb LQpBBoBiB3/eu1MvZjAnZHRqOo2NFrmStAdfQWGtyaP3BMMyI/kdVr3vNUAH3AzuNA5/ b96KSG0PMyudSoiroH3Gel5GMBmYlmYwqQeqvQiuhnIMXfnw/H4e7LvWpGpiCj5xBM8z uVVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.195.97 with SMTP id o61mr20264683yhn.17.1343919843375; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.212.9 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:04:03 +0300 Message-ID: From: Sergey Listopad To: jb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:04:04 -0000 2012/8/2 jb : > Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > >> ... >> As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel >> booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do >> something. But what exactly?) >> >> I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable), >> by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt) >> >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT >> Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader >> boot:/boot/kernel/kernel > > OK. So it looks like you have succeeded with stage 1 and 2. > At this point the boot slice is known - the boot process knows where to find > defaults. > After that stage 3 should be auto-executed, but it does not. It is auto-executed, but stuck. So far I have system with GPT partitioning scheme. To exclude this layer, I've reinstall system with MBR scheme, but loader(8) stuck in the same place. BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 Consoles: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive A: is disk0 > > At this point check if you have /boot.config by chance. This file, if exists, > may contain options modifying stages of the boot process, in this case > the transition from stage 2 to 3 is of interest. > Check it out and, if applies, read BOOT.CONFIG(5) and its examples. > > jb > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- S.Listopad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 15:11:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC71106566C for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mpassmore@m-p.co.uk) Received: from relay1.fast.net.uk (relay1.fast.net.uk [212.42.162.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8260C8FC08 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kioskoffice (adsl-212-42-178-190.fast.net.uk [212.42.178.190] (may be forged)) by relay1.fast.net.uk (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q72F7SeZ033097 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:07:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mpassmore@m-p.co.uk) From: "Mervyn Passmore" To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:07:29 +0100 Message-ID: <5EC44BEE2F4B4E5684965E8A8DA6AA0A@kioskoffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1wt/lB14TsrZyTQrS+Qq4FYgQDSQABmqqw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Subject: Problem with sendmail update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:11:38 -0000 Hi, Hope someone can help. we're stuck trying to update Sendmail from 8.14.3 to 8.14.5 We've made & installed 8.14.5 and both the new and old versions seem to be installed and running according to PS. Whatever is starting sendmail is initiating the old version. How can we remove the 8.14.3 version or get the 8.14.5 version to run? Our PCI compliance is failing due to issues with the old version. Help much appreciated, Thanks Mervyn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 15:33:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659291065670 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF99A8FC0C for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q72FX6GW008131; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:33:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q72FX564008128; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:33:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:33:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Sergey Listopad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:33:07 +0200 (CEST) Cc: jb , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:33:18 -0000 > > BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 > Consoles: internal video/keyboard > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > all suggestions before seems like not reading your problem description. third stage boot loader fails. at that stage it still uses BIOS calls to access disks. Your controller's firmware do something wrong, or FreeBSD bootloader do something wrong. I suggest you to prepare bootable media with just /boot directory that can boot, and put vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:yourrootpartition" in loader.conf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 15:34:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323C51065670 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDD08FC15 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwxPg-0007ze-Vx for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:34:12 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:34:12 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:34:12 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:34:22 -0000 Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > ... > So far I have system with GPT partitioning scheme. To exclude this > layer, I've reinstall system with MBR scheme, but loader(8) stuck in > the same place. > > BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 > Consoles: internal video/keyboard > BIOS drive A: is disk0 How about setting this (based on /boot/defaults/loader.conf) in file /boot/loader.conf: verbose_loading="YES" # Set to YES for verbose loader output For the sake of debugging, I assume you do not have any of these: loader_conf_files="/boot/device.hints /boot/loader.conf /boot/loader.conf.local" as it seems to be a new installation. Are you getting more debugging output ? jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 15:41:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875B9106566B for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:41:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE7E8FC08 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwxWc-0003V5-5F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:41:22 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:41:22 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:41:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:41:23 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> writes: > ... > I suggest you to prepare bootable media with just /boot directory that can > boot, and put > > vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:yourrootpartition" > > in loader.conf I have already suggested that in the post above. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 16:47:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA5A106575F for ; 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Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:57:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:57:59 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:58:00 -0000 On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +0000, Traiano Welcome wrote: > > > >even if not  it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in > >port tree and require user to accept it. > > Probably won't even have to do that. People can download, compile and > run whatever they want on a base operating system, but as long as the > base operating system (FreeBSD in our case) remains "legally > un-encumbered" with patented code, nobody really cares. If individual > users decide they want to compile and run copyrighted software on > FreeBSD (or linux) it will be a matter between M$ and the particular > user in question, not the community providing the base OS and user > space tools. > > The SCO-IBM debacle some years ago triggered a huge review of open > source copyrights in the linux (and *bsd) community. SCO failed to get > anything back then, and it's hard to imagine how M$ will get anything > now that there's broader awareness in "the community" around software > patent infringement. Unfortunately, patent law and copyright law are very different environments. The truth is that probably every nontrivial piece of software created infringes several patents, and the only question that remains is whether those patents would hold up in court under close scrutiny. The greater the disparity in legal expertise and funding behind the two parties, the greater the likelihood that the case will be found in favor of the party with the greater resources. This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the world of software development. Even a frivolous patent that would not hold up through completion of litigation may serve its purpose by bankrupting a defendant before the case is concluded. It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave, having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, though, it will probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, projects, and businesses, and I just hope it doesn't get as far as the FreeBSD project or any FreeBSD users before things come crashing down. (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Et cetera.) -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 20:49:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF56D1065673 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6C98FC14 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 20:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q72Kncs1001480; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:49:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q72KncYS001477; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:49:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:49:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> Message-ID: References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:49:38 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:49:48 -0000 > It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave, true. Microsoft know it is falling. People got fed up with microsoft. They now want even worse and more dumb software and hardware. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s12sm174563anh.2.2012.08.02.14.25.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Wp4D46MrPz2CG67 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:25:08 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120802172508.086a16a0@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkLsqxiy/mX4Ko6Pv/b0l2mW9Z+Yt26d3tmmrQU1UEBza7tbrwU3eBLFdfUnLtmEaMqkPxm Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:25:13 -0000 On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:49:37 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: > true. Microsoft know it is falling. > > People got fed up with microsoft. They now want even worse and more > dumb software and hardware. You do realize that, that statement can be construed as a condemnation of non-Microsoft software, AKA open-source? -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 23:20:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424771065672 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 23:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD0A8FC0A for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 23:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so132275yen.13 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:20:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=cQ+aKhHOqUmLGIHkSZK9DKUj9NhqNiGGYYxrxVauvss=; b=jJrtTbKYF0Q+vafU8lpNZFhvNHy04at0kndQE+OovvOidiY/g4h3BzNBh5E9WHOyb5 RaFgulxgZ9thCUXPftPyqRlC5Z2qau2uUjOok6atSvHR+48iNhpB+5ZQDaeNqrPh0LNo Y7p0hlRtxLp2s2GEIL9ob/Ei4C0EliuJ8P+kwtzc8dy8D9UgZyRHa9D10TjjFEpa+oPd DMmSen5UPeckM8w3niOpy/wSwMYEL/uXn6JMMMNh30WdICe+Tu7m6idxors+9kVL+Sgf 3V9ylkpRdBL+OIgHa5HBrwadq/J3/MalmRxWH+/MCMEOAairHDbeCyvgKMJvjvbUumM5 TZ1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.230 with SMTP id y6mr6684535igm.20.1343949608608; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.124.41 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:20:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.175.71] In-Reply-To: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:20:08 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnWY7qrMU/stNo5q06EUycrsKLaNmBwx426V+VN2Hcjyx2w9q+R7nsd2SsolpN8kK/jYI1D Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:20:10 -0000 On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave, > having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, though, it will > probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, projects, and businesses, > and I just hope it doesn't get as far as the FreeBSD project or any > FreeBSD users before things come crashing down. Right! Let's also hope that most patents that could harm us (should there be some lurking out there) will have expired by then. Unless Congress pulls a Mickey Mouse Protection Act-lookalike on patents by extending them just as they did with Copyright. But as usual with Congress, I wouldn't hold my breath: they aren't exactly known for enacting reasonable and sensible laws. Especially not when heavily lobbied by mega corps with deep pockets like MSFT, Oracle, Apple and so on. Yes, things will get really nasty once those corporations go the way of the SCO. > (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Et cetera.) > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 01:12:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5B81065670 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0808FC12 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AMD620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q731CGFm020496; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:12:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:14:33 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Chad Perrin Message-ID: <20120803081433.0ad12c03@AMD620.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:12:59 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:57:59 -0600 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +0000, Traiano Welcome wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, patent law and copyright law are very different > environments. The truth is that probably every nontrivial piece of yes. > software created infringes several patents, and the only question that > remains is whether those patents would hold up in court under close The best tool against any patents is prior art. The open source scene misses a very simple platform. Even FreeBSD could offer an extra list named 'prior-art' on which people can publish their ideas. The moment the server starts distributing the e-mail, nobody can claim a patent anywhere in the world for the idea mentioned. > scrutiny. The greater the disparity in legal expertise and funding > behind the two parties, the greater the likelihood that the case will > be found in favor of the party with the greater resources. Not true for cases of prior art. > > This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the > world of software development. Even a frivolous patent that would There is no difference for an engineer who works in other fields. > not hold up through completion of litigation may serve its purpose by > bankrupting a defendant before the case is concluded. That party must have a real dumb patent attorney then. > > It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its > grave, having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, > though, it will probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, > projects, and businesses, and I just hope it doesn't get as far as > the FreeBSD project or any FreeBSD users before things come crashing > down. > It is all in the people's mind. > (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Et > cetera.) > This is an example of the real problem. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 01:14:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B081065725 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E508FC14 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sx6TS-00082i-Uw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 03:14:43 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 03:14:42 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 03:14:42 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:14:44 -0000 Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > > Hi. > > I try to boot topic on retro dual PIII Intel L440GX+ based system. It > is onboard AIC-7896 SCSI controller with 1 COMPAQ HDD. CDROM is IDE. > When I try boot from installation CD, boot stuck on > > CD Loader 1.2 > ... > BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 > Consoles: internal video/keyboard > BIOS CD is cd0 > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > > If I remove HDD, system (/boot/loader) boot from CD just fine. Then I > insert HDD (hotswap) and able to install on it. But after reboot (with > installation CD disk removed from drive) system unable to boot. And > stuck on the same place, after > ... > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > > Maybe anybody can help me to resolve this issue. I can post any > additional information which may be helpful. > > Thanx. > This has been reported for FreeBSD and PC-BSD for quite some time. The booting sequence always looks like this: ... BIOS drive A: is disk0 <-------------------- last message seen BIOS drive B: is disk1 <-------------------- or this ... Based on Google search results: - solved by disabling SATA in BIOS - combination of IDE (ATA) and SATA disks caused a problem, disconnecting either one solved it; it could also mean a problem with hd device driver - old/buggy firmware; BIOS update solved the problem - disable ACPI, or Firewire, or USB emulation, or ... in BIOS :-) - "A wild guess could be that there's something on the RAID volume that's keeping the boot loader from working. Maybe the partition table is wrong in a subtle way? If you can get the RAID array to work *after* you boot from a FreeBSD installation CD (i.e. boot the machine without the drives, add drives later), try clearing the first megabyte of the array (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourdrive bs=1m count=1)." - "With my rocketraid somethingsomething PCI-SATA2 card with disks connected crashes the BTX loader. Connecting the disks to the internal via epia motherboard solved the problem ... I have a feeling that it might be some combinations of BTX, BIOS and RAID firmware that causes these crashes." - CC'ing John Baldwin on this, as he has knowledge of BTX's internals. For those of you who are adventurous: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/boot/i386/loader/ jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 05:50:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEAE106564A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 05:50:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72E98FC0A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 05:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q735oQ9J002809 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:50:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q735oQ2u002806 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:50:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:50:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20120802172508.086a16a0@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> <20120802172508.086a16a0@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 07:50:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 05:50:31 -0000 >> dumb software and hardware. > > You do realize that, that statement can be construed as a condemnation > of non-Microsoft software, AKA open-source? don't generalize everything. There are good software, bad software, closed source software, open source software. There are great open source software and complete trash open source software. now market is completely filled with personal computers and laptops, now people want to get "smart"phones, "tablets", whatever where microsoft already lost. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 08:41:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCBA106566C for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:41:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4038FC14 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5-x) with ESMTP id q738f3AC049765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:41:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q738f3AC049765 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q738f3AC049765; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <501B8E98.6060503@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:40:56 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <5EC44BEE2F4B4E5684965E8A8DA6AA0A@kioskoffice> In-Reply-To: <5EC44BEE2F4B4E5684965E8A8DA6AA0A@kioskoffice> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigCACB2D1C6C76FA46B47E8AF6" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Subject: Re: Problem with sendmail update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:41:14 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigCACB2D1C6C76FA46B47E8AF6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/08/2012 16:07, Mervyn Passmore wrote: > We've made & installed 8.14.5 and both the new and old versions seem to= be > installed and running according to PS. Whatever is starting sendmail is= > initiating the old version. If you're replacing the system sendmail with the version from ports, then you need to update /etc/mail/mailer.conf -- something like this: # $FreeBSD: stable/9/etc/mail/mailer.conf 93858 2002-04-05 04:25:14Z gshapiro $ # # Execute the "real" sendmail program, named /usr/local/sbin/sendmail # sendmail /usr/local/sbin/sendmail send-mail /usr/local/sbin/sendmail mailq /usr/local/sbin/sendmail newaliases /usr/local/sbin/sendmail hoststat /usr/local/sbin/sendmail purgestat /usr/local/sbin/sendmail Also, don't confuse the version of the sendmail from the config file with the version in the binary -- both of them show up in the SMTP banner= : % telnet localhost smtp Trying ::1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 220 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.5/8.14.5; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:34:40 +0100 (BST) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The first one is the version of the binaries, the second is the configuration version, which you can easily change by modifying the DZ8.14.5 line in sendmail.cf Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enigCACB2D1C6C76FA46B47E8AF6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAbjp4ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIz3tQCdF5aZ8K5p8fn5z/OGl4mXBT5S FKUAnRhL/RKkS0jBxZgqXLTQTdwHFbMp =drsM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigCACB2D1C6C76FA46B47E8AF6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 10:29:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A125D106564A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:29:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liweitian@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4D18FC0A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcsg15 with SMTP id g15so315328qcs.13 for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 03:29:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=InaK7j3Imf7ZJ88hh4gARbHw7yN3gRtiJfgVl5iiQj4=; b=b6X6pX3Sci5+i+KkIv6/kNXYkT5MDdup3eZ3AfZIHyx8psOmUYDKYdeu2g6NP+djN7 ciGTSQqUWKguk/jHSjAXVb5CdO9yyrH9STGq6E88C5N6wOtaJ3qeA78tTbs7I2Z5bPXk 0bYED5pz48KdIXbUQYub5rijzRdl7fP3grLcKYciHjFx6hTt3jFTAFhx1/J7Ll32eXzY Up1uS1tCwP0SqMOa12t1QVFq7v4cJuiYuFWiFTEU023znGWK5Ij4H6duGZbiIio8r7QQ mFSXeGFxx4LUlLtzc/DEaRMtUOE73xDYIsnRciDE5ifjYOckVvulKyk1vd64tkHeHHKX MXFw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.134.200 with SMTP id k8mr524306qct.135.1343989767384; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 03:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.104.227 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 03:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:29:27 +0700 Message-ID: From: Roby Sadeli To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: installing rt40 from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:29:28 -0000 Hi. I am planning to deploy rt40 (sqlite backend) with nginx (fastcgi). (nginx-devel and rt40 from /usr/ports) After installing rt40, I setup the initial database by executing /usr/local/sbin/rt-setup-database --action init I have no problem using the standalone server: /usr/local/bin/standalone_httpd and rt40 works as expected. I have tried setting up rt40 using nginx with no success. I try running fcgi from command line: /usr/local/bin/spawn-fcgi -n -u www -g rt -p 9000 -- /usr/local/sbin/rt-server.fcgi but always starts for a moment, then crashes. My nginx.conf is as follows: location /rt/ { root /usr/local/share/rt40/html; fastcgi_pass 127.0.0.1:9000; fastcgi_param QUERY_STRING $query_string; fastcgi_param REQUEST_METHOD $request_method; fastcgi_param CONTENT_TYPE $content_type; fastcgi_param CONTENT_LENGTH $content_length; fastcgi_param PATH_INFO $fastcgi_script_name; } # location /rt/ location /rt/NoAuth/ { alias /usr/local/share/rt40/html/NoAuth/; } # location /rt/NoAuth/ Please help me. Thanks. Fyi, my system is: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jan 3 07:46:30 UTC 2012 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 10:49:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71C71065670 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:49:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB968FC08 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5-x) with ESMTP id q73AnhsY005261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:49:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q73AnhsY005261 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q73AnhsY005261; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <501BACBD.9010206@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 11:49:33 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig08EECDD4F8D8D1BE3AD0A180" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Subject: Re: installing rt40 from ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:49:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig08EECDD4F8D8D1BE3AD0A180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/08/2012 11:29, Roby Sadeli wrote: > I am planning to deploy rt40 (sqlite backend) with nginx (fastcgi). > (nginx-devel and rt40 from /usr/ports) Sqlite is really only suitable for development usage: RT expects a more fully featured database that supports concurrent usage by several instances simultaneously. This may well be the problem you're seeing when trying to fire up spawn-fcgi, if that is trying to run several fcgi threads. Personally I prefer and recommend postgresql as the backend to RT. > After installing rt40, I setup the initial database by executing > /usr/local/sbin/rt-setup-database --action init >=20 > I have no problem using the standalone server: > /usr/local/bin/standalone_httpd and rt40 works as expected. >=20 > I have tried setting up rt40 using nginx with no success. > I try running fcgi from command line: /usr/local/bin/spawn-fcgi -n -u > www -g rt -p 9000 -- /usr/local/sbin/rt-server.fcgi > but always starts for a moment, then crashes. Does it generate a core file? Is there anything relevant in the Log? If necessary, try turning up the log level in ${LOCALBASE}/etc/rt40/RT_SiteConfig.pm -- Set($LogToSyslog, "debug"); and possibly enable the 'all.log' by following the instructions in /etc/syslog.conf Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:11:25 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: C. P. Ghost =0ATo: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0ACc: =0ASent: Thursday, August = 2, 2012 7:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?= =0A=0AOn Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin wro= te:=0A> It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its g= rave,=0A> having hung all its hopes on litigation.=A0 Along the way, though= , it will=0A> probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, projects, and= businesses,=0A> and I just hope it doesn't get as far as the FreeBSD proje= ct or any=0A> FreeBSD users before things come crashing down.=0A=0ARight!= =0A=0ALet's also hope that most patents that could harm us (should there=0A= be some lurking out there) will have expired by then. Unless Congress=0Apul= ls a Mickey Mouse Protection Act-lookalike on patents by extending=0Athem j= ust as they did with Copyright.=0A=0ABut as usual with Congress, I wouldn't= hold my breath: they aren't=0Aexactly known for enacting reasonable and se= nsible laws. Especially=0Anot when heavily lobbied by mega corps with deep = pockets like MSFT,=0AOracle, Apple and so on. Yes, things will get really n= asty once those=0Acorporations go the way of the SCO.=0A=0A> (disclaimer: I= am not a lawyer.=A0 This is not legal advice.=A0 Et cetera.)=0A>=0A> --=0A= > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]=0A= =0ARegards,=0A-cpghost.=0A=0A-- =0ACordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/=0A= _______________________________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd= .org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-quest= ions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@free= bsd.org"=0A=0A=0AFor M$ to talk about patent infringment is like the kettle= calling the pot black.=0AEver take a copy of M$ ftp.exe and place it on a = unix machine and then run=0Athis on it:=0A=0Astrings.exe ftp.exe | grep Cop= yright=0A=0AJust see what you find there.=0A=0AAnd don't forget, if you've = got an operating system...you didn't build that.=0ASomeone else did. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 14:07:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3165C106566C for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1EB8FC0A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q73E9X9o041587 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:09:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:09:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201208031409.q73E9X9o041587@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1343995740.40983.YahooMailNeo@web120803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:07:41 -0000 > From: Bill Tillman > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 05:09:00 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? > > > From: C. P. Ghost > > Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? > > > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its > > > grave, having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, though, > > > it will probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, projects, and > > > businesses, and I just hope it doesn't get as far as the FreeBSD > > > project or any FreeBSD users before things come crashing down. > > > > Right! > > > > Let's also hope that most patents that could harm us (should there be > > some lurking out there) will have expired by then. Unless Congress pulls > > a Mickey Mouse Protection Act-lookalike on patents by extending them just > > as they did with Copyright. > > > > But as usual with Congress, I wouldn't hold my breath: they aren't > > exactly known for enacting reasonable and sensible laws. Especially not > > when heavily lobbied by mega corps with deep pockets like MSFT, Oracle, > > Apple and so on. Yes, things will get really nasty once those > > corporations go the way of the SCO. > > > > > (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Et cetera.) > > > > > > -- > > > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > > > > Regards, > > -cpghost. > > For M$ to talk about patent infringment is like the kettle calling the > pot black. Ever take a copy of M$ ftp.exe and place it on a unix machine > and then run this on it: > > strings.exe ftp.exe | grep Copyright > > Just see what you find there. And you think this is surprising, why? Have you ever read the actual U.C. Berkeley License for, say, the BSD 4.4-Lite software source-code distribution? Do you know that Microsoft has a *PAID*FOR* license, for using, AND redistributing, Unix; -both- from the University of Calif. (for "BSD"), _and_ from what was then AT&T Bell Labs (for "Sys V")? Do you think MS is doing something 'improper' by preserving the copyright notice in _licensed_ code that they are *LEGALLY* using? BTW 'copyright' and 'patent' are two _very_ different subjects, with different rules, and governed by different laws. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 14:09:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B171065673 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:09:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123C58FC1C for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q73E97m3078530; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:09:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q73E975C078527; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:09:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:09:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bill Tillman In-Reply-To: <1343995740.40983.YahooMailNeo@web120803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> <1343995740.40983.YahooMailNeo@web120803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:09:07 +0200 (CEST) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:09:17 -0000 > Let's also hope that most patents that could harm us (should there > be some lurking out there) will have expired by then. True. As most "technology" that ever microsoft "invented" is a quickly reengineered or just stoled things that was already done many years before in many other systems, very often BSD, then it is not a problem > Unless Congress > pulls a Mickey Mouse Protection Act-lookalike on patents by extending > them just as they did with Copyright. > then it will still hit USA users only. FreeBSD master site can simply be moved. > But as usual with Congress, I wouldn't hold my breath: they aren't > exactly known for enacting reasonable and sensible laws. No government is known for that. but that's off topic. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 14:33:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B1C1065740 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psychosensor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498578FC1A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk4 with SMTP id k4so1096919ggn.13 for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=veYWFAgDDv1FTpCaMAtXklNf9xndKJ7OFuITMuRjaNE=; b=RbFJwTAkMQ94AI02v1DW+mDubPx0iNke8xKvS3Uc7PB2CMHFkklNI0LrZzkz+ImPHn 0csKg2JUI+yaWnqLEWqxCLmZGRdExSKky5ybL77YJV8R+d/o9+iENQWePRjME/ZrOFfh MvKAEI6M/GYACB9lguiggXI8AgKOJrnY6FUsxR0dN3xHBalQ7u3Osn1mSlIC07Ugqkab D2DIKVZWZpfsHqQUEYpZ9L36ZeRL91OXEsUb90GJDHsNHcX39ixYr+u2diodhh2Q7NZA odSMtWGhgr/0gioIs7uFXkkKuZdU/Axy5yQG+CWzsumkJgYgu4to6C5MIRg7d89fsERM gPzw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.195.97 with SMTP id o61mr2104417yhn.17.1344004414570; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.212.9 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:33:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:33:34 +0300 Message-ID: From: Sergey Listopad To: jb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:33:35 -0000 2012/8/3 jb : > Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > >> >> Hi. >> >> I try to boot topic on retro dual PIII Intel L440GX+ based system. It >> is onboard AIC-7896 SCSI controller with 1 COMPAQ HDD. CDROM is IDE. >> When I try boot from installation CD, boot stuck on >> >> CD Loader 1.2 >> ... >> BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 >> Consoles: internal video/keyboard >> BIOS CD is cd0 >> BIOS drive A: is disk0 >> >> If I remove HDD, system (/boot/loader) boot from CD just fine. Then I >> insert HDD (hotswap) and able to install on it. But after reboot (with >> installation CD disk removed from drive) system unable to boot. And >> stuck on the same place, after >> ... >> BIOS drive A: is disk0 >> >> Maybe anybody can help me to resolve this issue. I can post any >> additional information which may be helpful. >> >> Thanx. >> > > This has been reported for FreeBSD and PC-BSD for quite some time. > > The booting sequence always looks like this: > ... > BIOS drive A: is disk0 <-------------------- last message seen > BIOS drive B: is disk1 <-------------------- or this > ... > > Based on Google search results: > - solved by disabling SATA in BIOS > - combination of IDE (ATA) and SATA disks caused a problem, disconnecting > either one solved it; it could also mean a problem with hd device driver > - old/buggy firmware; BIOS update solved the problem > - disable ACPI, or Firewire, or USB emulation, or ... in BIOS :-) > - "A wild guess could be that there's something on the RAID volume that's > keeping the boot loader from working. Maybe the partition table is wrong > in a subtle way? If you can get the RAID array to work *after* you boot > from a FreeBSD installation CD (i.e. boot the machine without the > drives, add drives later), try clearing the first megabyte of the array > (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourdrive bs=1m count=1)." > - "With my rocketraid somethingsomething PCI-SATA2 card with disks > connected crashes the BTX loader. Connecting the disks to the internal > via epia motherboard solved the problem ... > I have a feeling that it might be some combinations of BTX, BIOS and > RAID firmware that causes these crashes." > - CC'ing John Baldwin on this, as he has knowledge of BTX's internals. > > For those of you who are adventurous: > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/boot/i386/loader/ > I'he updated BIOS and now all works as expected. System is bootable from installation CD with HDD connected, system bootable from HDD. Thanks for help. -- S.Listopad From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 16:11:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE572106564A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A844A8FC17 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (webmail.dweimer.net [192.168.5.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q73FuBOu065973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:56:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:56:11 -0500 From: dweimer To: FreeBSD Questions Organization: dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.8-rc Subject: Bacula on FreeBSD Concurrent Jobs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:11:24 -0000 I am trying to set-up my FreeBSD Bacula server to run concurrent jobs, however it only runs one job at a time, and doesn't report why its waiting to execute the second job. I have contacted the Bacula-Users mail list, and know one there seems to have an idea why my configuration isn't working. Thought I would check here and see if anyone else is running concurrent Bacula jobs on their FreeBSD servers. I have Bacula 5.2.10 installed from ports on a 9.0-RELEASE-P3 system, my backups are being written to a eSATA disk volumes. I have added the Max Concurrent Jobs entries everywhere that the Bacula tips and tricks manual page says to add them. Even though I am running backups to disk I went the extra step of adding a spool directory, after it wasn't working and still no dice. If anyone has this working and knows of any special tricks required on FreeBSD to do this, and could pass those on that would be great. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 16:15:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1B9106564A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:15:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470E88FC08 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBFD21.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.253.33]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q73GFWm1001060; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:15:33 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q73GFMdr012564; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:15:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q73GFLES007169; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:15:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201208031615.q73GFLES007169@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Chad Perrin From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:57:59 MDT." <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:15:21 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:15:44 -0000 > This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the world > of software development. Yes, agreed, & not just software. The european patent office system pressures examiners towards granting if they can't quickly find prove the application is already known. http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/txt/patents/ Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from Yahoo & Hotmail to be dumped @Berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 16:32:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4801D10656D3 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002768FC17 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbz22 with SMTP id z22so1256793ghb.13 for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:32:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=5P5Dx6jPkLFRugNZJIkPkoYCS4mEhLqsI3fO6v/4SVo=; b=JGgHd+lY2eAAciWOa5JBe7GZ4AwmC8oKUGhgSvAZ3QoNdu2U+s4ZFC09yk01xQthWa oRNxOmc5DnKgb8ufVt86FbyIrrxhKL+/n6a2s6VkM7wUQcTseNGy8LBWujZvm0DNaQi2 l965Jkn6NE+maqqOVLglz6Or1brFY/Y8RrHc2bJoQdglxdhOuRHc4FYqFeCgpTPqHgZ/ OhQMKGBPm2BhDTIyqAIrO2evkTxG6AQnaUMoakxMPPWxAMbxazfa390KrBprFojbLqHF jYK9yuNRTk+7i3AjNEmXx59AM0nRbFVIq8J/CGyEA96NUdWcsJ0c4hPIdf8R51AstM7P J60Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.190.234 with SMTP id gt10mr4475158igc.20.1344011569865; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.124.41 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:32:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.175.230] In-Reply-To: <201208031615.q73GFLES007169@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> <201208031615.q73GFLES007169@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:32:49 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: "Julian H. Stacey" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkKvuQZmKeoYurz+EGlAkdlNxCT5UCm7LIY3V7r1L2sceEMAdBK/kfNZXAbcdQiwGi+XYLl Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:32:51 -0000 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the world >> of software development. > > Yes, agreed, & not just software. > > The european patent office system pressures examiners towards granting > if they can't quickly find prove the application is already known. > > http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/txt/patents/ Sadly, the time they had the likes of Albert Einstein as patent examiners [1] are well over... [1]: https://www.ige.ch/en/about-us/einstein/einstein-at-the-patent-office.html > Cheers, > Julian -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 15:58:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285D91065675 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwhytcross@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02918FC14 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qaat11 with SMTP id t11so2505802qaa.13 for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=fsUUVUXM5GhQpbo/pVVheBn/q8iOr3m79nazMbJ2NK8=; b=dvTu1OnffI5FTipf4qtebv/J49m8YX5VBhvFXkr2qrwRrO9BOHqRqWJpUrrLbOkk1z 4z/GG8ZmUcm2MjyHJj8tVMGK2L3ZRd93tGcVJF1b57lfsrCYr/8C131mU08ZV1kZ+/c9 y0Ri7f2gg1rbs6R+5PC6AHZW5g3+hqaRaOssnx6HqVL0WQ0E4Re14XiWVsfhjtKliXyh qo5tckoVfSAFZlAGZuSIw9TZDFhIuiN2kEiBvadLAI/3datAKUapOMnPJJp1pzOPufVc itE2WT6+s6MlZY/PbyUz4GNvsHcqs0fdPkYOH8kMdhKX85Nc5c3BKFNmIAVN6zWisVqS +Lbg== Received: by 10.60.29.230 with SMTP id n6mr5932268oeh.22.1344009534018; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from astrolap (CPE-120-146-199-17.static.vic.bigpond.net.au. [120.146.199.17]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g8sm10092248obz.16.2012.08.03.08.58.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "David Whytcross" To: Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 01:57:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:45:34 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: boinc_gui missing after portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Whytcross List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:58:55 -0000 Hi guys, I just performed a portupgrade on 9.0-RELEASE to the = boinc-setathome-enhanced port, which took boinc-client from = boinc-client-6.4.5_7 to boinc-client-7.0.25_4 I am now missing boinc_gui from /usr/local/bin any ideas as to how to get it back ? Dave Whytcross From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 17:14:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71555106564A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298598FC08 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2012 13:14:12 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BWW13694; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:14:12 -0400 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Neutral identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2012 13:14:13 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20508.1763.929226.450465@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:14:11 -0400 To: David Whytcross In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: boinc_gui missing after portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:14:19 -0000 David Whytcross writes: > I just performed a portupgrade on 9.0-RELEASE to the > boinc-setathome-enhanced port, which took boinc-client from > boinc-client-6.4.5_7 to boinc-client-7.0.25_4 > > I am now missing boinc_gui from /usr/local/bin > > any ideas as to how to get it back ? I believe the literal answer is "downgrade". :-( The more useful answer is "it has been replaced by 'boincmgr'". hich, unfortunately, does not seem to pick up project/task information from the previous version. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 17:21:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13190106566B for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikel.king@olivent.com) Received: from mail.olivent.com (mail.olivent.com [75.99.82.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F718FC1C for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.olivent.com (Kerio Connect 7.0.0 patch 1) (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:49:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mikel King In-Reply-To: <20120803164205.GB51560@neutralgood.org> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:49:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6116D91B-802F-4EF9-B7EE-B7D93D37C816@olivent.com> References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> <1343995740.40983.YahooMailNeo@web120803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20120803164205.GB51560@neutralgood.org> To: kpneal@pobox.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: Wojciech Puchar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:21:17 -0000 On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:42 PM, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 04:09:06PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> Unless Congress >>> pulls a Mickey Mouse Protection Act-lookalike on patents by = extending >>> them just as they did with Copyright. >>>=20 >>=20 >> then it will still hit USA users only. FreeBSD master site can simply = be=20 >> moved. >=20 > If we're talking about patent infringement then moving FreeBSD outside = of > the country does zero to protect users of FreeBSD. Every single one of > them that uses a part of FreeBSD that a patent holder claims infringes = on > a patent is vulnerable to a lawsuit. >=20 > Also, if you pay attention to the news then you see in the DMCA, ACTA, = the > TPP, and other examples that the US is trying to get the rest of the = world > to adopt its views. The weird thinking that people in government have = is > that the solution to a bad law that affects only the US is to get = other > countries to adopt the same bad law so as to hurt everyone everywhere. >=20 > But, at the end of the day I think FreeBSD should worry about patent > infringement the way people worry about dying in a car wreck: Use a > reasonable amount of care to avoid it, and then don't worry about it. >=20 > --=20 > Kevin P. Neal = http://www.pobox.com/~kpn/ Out of curiosity has anyone ever heard of trolls patenting open source = technologies after the fact?= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 18:08:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA851065670 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E598C8FC0C for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:08:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2012 14:08:51 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BPR13245; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:08:51 -0400 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2012 14:08:51 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20508.5028.902.7239@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:08:36 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20508.1763.929226.450465@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20508.1763.929226.450465@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: boinc_gui missing after portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:08:52 -0000 Robert Huff writes: > > I am now missing boinc_gui from /usr/local/bin > > > > any ideas as to how to get it back ? > > I believe the literal answer is "downgrade". :-( > The more useful answer is "it has been replaced by > 'boincmgr'". hich, unfortunately, does not seem to pick up > project/task information from the previous version. Further information: It does pick up the current porject/task information if you start it in the boinc directory (e.g. /var/db/boinc). Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 18:33:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E70E106564A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from millenia2000@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE338FC1B for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY165-DS3 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:32:20 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [174.227.131.240] X-EIP: [aaKmszjKanCusAI1Bb8z1oLsTpPXYTAh+wiQN5W3wEA=] X-Originating-Email: [millenia2000@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: Sean Cavanaugh To: "'Mikel King'" , References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> <1343995740.40983.YahooMailNeo@web120803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20120803164205.GB51560@neutralgood.org> <6116D91B-802F-4EF9-B7EE-B7D93D37C816@olivent.com> In-Reply-To: <6116D91B-802F-4EF9-B7EE-B7D93D37C816@olivent.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:32:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJ7bNVKRNDn7BAS6W0gb9ZxLG5Y2wJodVqpAsrINeICC+xunwJVF3RLATgTPAgCATPinALpwWO4AgbkgYMClFnkf5VJ3l9Q Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2012 18:32:20.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[5180AE70:01CD71A6] Cc: 'Wojciech Puchar' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:33:26 -0000 > > > Out of curiosity has anyone ever heard of trolls patenting open source > technologies after the fact? The prior art stipulations pretty much kills that off, unless they make a genuine improvement/change to it to not qualify under that, then they would be well within patent law to apply for a patent. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 20:55:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7AA106564A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00C48FC14 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q73Kt3eb080290; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:55:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q73Kt3F6080287; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:55:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:55:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: kpneal@pobox.com In-Reply-To: <20120803164205.GB51560@neutralgood.org> Message-ID: References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> <1343995740.40983.YahooMailNeo@web120803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20120803164205.GB51560@neutralgood.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:55:03 +0200 (CEST) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:55:09 -0000 > > Also, if you pay attention to the news then you see in the DMCA, ACTA, the > TPP, and other examples that the US is trying to get the rest of the world > to adopt its views. of course they try to force everything to the world. And failed in europe, mostly because of Poles. Which of course doesn't mean that Poles are by average bright enough to actually understand what ACTA really means ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 21:34:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E3E106566B for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr2867@pacbell.net) Received: from nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 57C888FC08 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.197] by nm15.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 21:34:36 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 21:34:36 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 21:34:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 21:34:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 194734.54161.bm@omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 61058 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2012 21:34:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pacbell.net; s=s1024; t=1344029675; bh=yNzwGzfZ7nArdlkJ8LWx5L8DV3IDPjDtr3/j4YRqzQs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c3tqVORsLWONs6qoYvUx0MVBmv31pgav47OHfCcTN83v1EdJHk6ZiaU87Jq4IFTH+qN5aybRFzdrLcNm1eSZGBfXtSdTKzY1IOgvy7WgZdQMo96WY/ye/aNfz4IOEWXd3Iid1DZheVkLqA38LX2wMZ7qtz45ki+45B3FXb23dcU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mD62WYgbBMFkxM8yF2pk8h1XM5yNz9YsIK0LLakn35+2s324OPs/JPLhb2V+3YnszApJwTMT74kBvUtFkxtEW10sXC0pAm5/nV8+KDZ+AhrpoSC7NAu672crv6tYVcm0gEKYXqDu5luXLj56nBAhaT+ZgY3gwkQQBlD9ML+V5Rc=; X-YMail-OSG: iQGgYEwVM1n4ARP7K.GKjpwZVfSmeTii..4ndTkdRAwvXZ_ jqhk33JUleWMyRqT5KpNSEidwzp2.Y1X25N0vf7cVcg_Vw3XizlTbqa70K73 B5L1NrLGr.zs0Btp5ivHzD6z0f0lkOahBBFCgujLn3yrmWeXNhIFHu7qEs34 3dSjP689zfpp5muBLNubapYNLYClX5tEDNKvyTogJN7KHJk9LuXTuIx5QNWK ZIhI0pt6aViiWgFHI5PaU9i27.qxrQb2CQ6v34gOEzpQUQET9SarPRHh6SMw 59b7Igr9YJmeA88fuabvbOwjjcC2nGDZuUTb.PbfL3D1yE24dd5CEWbe0tny .p_64VVj1V1T37PsPdeiL_gom5iE8A5qLXMuVm_XdTI6V_UnuNoTUastvj61 fq9Z4Rhy8lepgJHcS4C_SWhGMlB3lCG0rz2WDwoZGdLMmMVra49OP3af24UA ENcQ09iG2MMuufy5kAUgdK9VYIuGmjusIjJYTHYh2d4IxCCUKNcpmUHdADGU 0yNhJ6drX6bFT_2rzeA-- Received: from [99.20.134.213] by web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:34:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344029675.52304.YahooMailClassic@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Rudy To: Wojciech Puchar , kpneal@pobox.com In-Reply-To: <20120803164205.GB51560@neutralgood.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 21:34:43 -0000 --- On Fri, 8/3/12, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: From: kpneal@pobox.com Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? To: "Wojciech Puchar" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Friday, August 3, 2012, 9:42 AM On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 04:09:06PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Unless Congress > >pulls a Mickey Mouse Protection Act-lookalike on patents by extending > >them just as they did with Copyright. > > >=20 > then it will still hit USA users only. FreeBSD master site can simply be= =20 > moved. If we're talking about patent infringement then moving FreeBSD outside of the country does zero to protect users of FreeBSD. Every single one of them that uses a part of FreeBSD that a patent holder claims infringes on a patent is vulnerable to a lawsuit. Also, if you pay attention to the news then you see in the DMCA, ACTA, the TPP, and other examples that the US is trying to get the rest of the world to adopt its views. The weird thinking that people in government have is that the solution to a bad law that affects only the US is to get other countries to adopt the same bad law so as to hurt everyone everywhere. But, at the end of the day I think FreeBSD should worry about patent infringement the way people worry about dying in a car wreck: Use a reasonable amount of care to avoid it, and then don't worry about it. --=20 Kevin P. Neal=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 http://www.pobox.com/~kpn/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 "A pig's gotta fly." - Crimson Pig _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " Reading this thread, I've decided to add my 2 cents...=A0 Being from the US= , there's alot of people who are not happy with the DCMA, copyrights, and p= atents in general.=A0 Did you know that the type of patent determines how l= ong it is for?=A0 Pharmaceutical patents are valid for 7 years then it's fa= ir game to anyone (generic drugs).=A0 Software patents are valid for 20 yea= rs in the US.=A0 Why?=A0 I have no idea myself.=A0 Maybe someone who is rea= ding can explain.=A0 Copyright is ridiculous.=A0 It should be set at 30 yea= rs and no more.=A0 95 years after the death of the author is a little exces= sive.=A0 I can understand the author and the kids getting royalties, but gr= andkids and great-grandkids?=A0 A big difference between copyright and pate= nts is that copyright is constitutional (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 8), p= atents are not.=A0 The reason why patents came up was that back around 1900= when automobile manufacturing was getting started, companies would copy ea= ch others ideas.=A0 You come up with something, then a week later all of your= competitors stole your idea and was implementing it in their products.=A0 = But this is venturing into off-topic territory. I remember a big stink back in around 2007 or so where someone went through= the Linux operating system (Not just the kernel mind you), and said that L= inux infringes on 235 or so Microsoft patents.=A0 They refused to say what = patents were being infringed on because they didn't want to screw the open = source community.=A0 But by not saying what those patents were, they did sc= rew the open source community.=A0 The problem is that Microsoft isn't telli= ng where the violations are so they cannot be removed.=A0 They are during t= he court cases, but I haven't seen anything as to which patents are being v= iolated.=A0 Then again, I haven't been following the court cases either.=A0= In fact, if one thinks about it, it would be in Microsoft's best interest = to not disclose what patents are being infringed on because if they did, th= en the infringing code would be reworked or removed, leaving Microsoft with= no recourse against companies who use Linux.=A0 What it comes down to is that Microsoft is making sure that they have an income.=A0 It's pretty sma= rt on their part, but it's still unethical and even nefarious if you ask me= . As for software development, I don't look at patents, I don't even talk abo= ut patents.=A0 That way later on if someone comes up and says that I am inf= ringing on their patent, I can ask them patent and claim number, and what p= articular part of the code that is infringing, and I can claim that I have = no knowledge of that patent.=A0 If you look at precedent, the innocent infr= inger (although no defense) is usually given a slap on the wrist when compa= red to the intentional infringer. When it comes to the technology sector, at least in the US, you're either g= etting sued, suing someone, or both.=A0 And it has gotten much worse over t= he last decade or so.=A0 This is why major companies like Apple, Microsoft,= Samsung, RIM, Nokia, Broadcomm, etc. accumulate patents in mass.=A0 It's u= sually to protect themselves from patent lawsuits.=A0 Just imagine if every= one sued for every little infringement.=A0 It would be far worse than it is= now.=A0=20 Case in point: Apple vs. Samsung.=A0 Apple says Samsung copied the iPhone a= nd iPad.=A0 Apple is claiming patent infringement.=A0 The patents involved = cover "design look and feel" which I think is utter bullshit.=A0 As it turn= s out, Apple has been sliding on the iPhone and iPad sales while Samsung ha= s been gaining market share.=A0 That's the motivation right there...anti co= mpetitiveness.=A0 So, Samsung went over what they can leverage to protect t= hemselves and found that Apple's iPhone and iPad are infringing some very c= ore wireless technology patents.=A0 With that in mind, Samsung can go and m= ake EVERYBODY pay up.=A0 But they are not.=A0 Just some food for though. I'm not a lawyer, so you should seek legal advise if you need it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 21:48:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E95106566B for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:48:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 941CE8FC08 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22184 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2012 21:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 21:48:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=CszJ5tAgak/zr/uLwHZpzV+JKUK8+qtNxOeN07xwF1o=; b=fVg5R7LRhVAnm29aD16SXBakKkhlLhASD0Fedu4ogPLm1nbLNstUgXR/awtM4eOS4BVpx9aBnRQUMbbklLw7btTrL5eJjuWwacvpYOnp4eYlmqzgkBCVKS+YCMcwNNO0; Received: from [24.8.180.234] (port=60468 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SxPjH-0002aF-Mt for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:48:19 -0600 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:48:19 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120803214819.GA26239@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 21:48:20 -0000 On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 01:20:08AM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave, > > having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, though, it will > > probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, projects, and businesses, > > and I just hope it doesn't get as far as the FreeBSD project or any > > FreeBSD users before things come crashing down. > > Right! > > Let's also hope that most patents that could harm us (should there > be some lurking out there) will have expired by then. Unless Congress > pulls a Mickey Mouse Protection Act-lookalike on patents by extending > them just as they did with Copyright. > > But as usual with Congress, I wouldn't hold my breath: they aren't > exactly known for enacting reasonable and sensible laws. Especially > not when heavily lobbied by mega corps with deep pockets like MSFT, > Oracle, Apple and so on. Yes, things will get really nasty once those > corporations go the way of the SCO. Good luck with that. More new patents are registered every day than the previous, generally speaking. There are patents expiring every day, only to be replaced by more. For every one that falls, two take its place. Microsoft is a special case. It has actually been rattling its saber at open source OSes already, so it's something of an immediate threat. Most software patents are basically just a latent threat that won't ever really arise, as long as you don't make a whole lot of money with a web application or service of some kind. Thus, hope that Microsoft runs out of money before it gets around to suing anything FreeBSD-related, and that its patents don't then pass into the hands of the most egregious patent trolls out there, because this would mean that what is probably the most immediate patent threat to FreeBSD is gone. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 21:50:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2FA106564A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9712D8FC0A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8970 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2012 21:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 21:50:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=8cdtSKR7s5SE/V8b/LC9Nb4pp8sY32+SIBuhRLU8GuM=; b=JImxY7lE3nHd+6Hs1FbpohPtuW/dPYFEze+CQbIHVoHfLrSQe1tWEt9UXZcmkvPqI4wska/YR15CXGgdpMxzg4z8SXJjHK1R7P6gDZZGsOHPpnRRuXDSVJJYf8VZIGPv; Received: from [24.8.180.234] (port=60600 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SxPlR-0005K9-Ro for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:50:33 -0600 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:50:33 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120803215033.GB26239@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> <1343995740.40983.YahooMailNeo@web120803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20120803164205.GB51560@neutralgood.org> <6116D91B-802F-4EF9-B7EE-B7D93D37C816@olivent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 21:50:35 -0000 On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 02:32:11PM -0400, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > > > > Out of curiosity has anyone ever heard of trolls patenting open source > > technologies after the fact? > > The prior art stipulations pretty much kills that off, unless they make a > genuine improvement/change to it to not qualify under that, then they would > be well within patent law to apply for a patent. . . . in theory. In practice, if you don't have the resources to mount a serious defense against a deep-pockets patent holder, prior art isn't going to get you far. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 22:00:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B051065674 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:00:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 66AB28FC15 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 503 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2012 22:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 22:00:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=kD5mIBFWOcoIkGUg4drnY8p6DxsM+5ombbOk0GQWK88=; b=U1y/6RqshsfKPTW6XteUT2LM6YQac4aGEScnFQWx2k4NoiGVCcAHZs1twWmTU3kk0G1xmEKxg+txRasQ76yOuHAhyoEUZGzVjJ+kUyvfxDOkzrybqTOjcyKlXeSMAMFb; Received: from [24.8.180.234] (port=60821 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SxPug-0001h0-ED for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:00:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:00:04 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120803220004.GC26239@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1343995740.40983.YahooMailNeo@web120803.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <201208031409.q73E9X9o041587@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120803142750.GA51560@neutralgood.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120803142750.GA51560@neutralgood.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:00:09 -0000 On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 10:27:50AM -0400, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > > There are a number of essays on the error of the term "intellectual property" > that are very good despite coming from Richard Stallman. Your phrasing is hilariously accurate. > > If you go back and reread this thread you'll see this mistake underneath > more than one post. For example, being clear on the copyright to all the > source in FreeBSD does _zero_ in terms of protecting FreeBSD from claims > of patent infringement. > > Software patents in practice are both so general and so stupid that there > is zilch that FreeBSD, or any other organization or individual, can do to > avoid accidentally infringing. The conflation of different forms of "intellectual property" in the minds of many is probably largely to blame for the fatuous nonsense of people preferring the Apache License 2.0 over (for instance) the Simplified BSD License (aka FreeBSD License) for its patent clause. People are often so unaware of the differences between copyright law and patent law that they think a patent clause provides the same protections against malicious patent litigation as copyright licensing provides against malicious copyright litigation. The truth of the matter is that a copyright is held by a single entity, while patents differing only in phrasing and patent number, covering the same basic software behavior, could in theory be held by every single member of the human race. As a result, a copyright license provides protection against litigation by the one and only copyright holder, but the patent clause in that license only provides protection against litigation by one potential patent holder out of billions. I believe the main reason that people choose the Apache License 2.0 is simply the lack of a copyfree license that comes with a patent clause (and, for all the talk of the Apache License 2.0 being a "permissive" license, it falls well short of being a copyfree license like the Simplified BSD License). That's why I rolled my own copyfree license with a patent clause, even though I believe that in practice a patent clause provides about as much protection as a "life vest" provides against gunfire. > > "A method for inducing cats to exercise consists of directing a beam of > invisible light produced by a hand-held laser apparatus onto the floor ... > in the vicinity of the cat, then moving the laser ... in an irregular way > fascinating to cats,..." -- US patent 5443036, "Method of exercising a cat" That's hilarious, and awfully depressing. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 22:11:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3E31065672 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:11:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68FED8FC0C for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10194 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2012 22:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 22:11:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=qAJ/vJLmexqnJYnFbnOZudHoojywfI8eWV1VQToi/zg=; b=StR4Y0kYotdkOWWhRLXiiydPDZo5P1p7e6Pn5hl3AUmJnGp7VdhbIaHuWhZ+8UY5Tp89PUEL7ySZZ/HAeILmAoFMYMvLeivIClt0cOyeEodfmMISTC2vdtZ/CY9X4ef/; Received: from [24.8.180.234] (port=61010 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SxQ5D-0005nl-Og for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:10:59 -0600 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:10:59 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120803221059.GD26239@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> <201208031615.q73GFLES007169@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201208031615.q73GFLES007169@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:11:00 -0000 On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the world > > of software development. > > Yes, agreed, & not just software. Well, yeah, but I was trying to stay close to being on-topic. > > The european patent office system pressures examiners towards granting > if they can't quickly find prove the application is already known. The same applies in the US. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 3 22:21:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2994E106564A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD1B98FC08 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21012 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 2012 22:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2012 22:21:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=Xu1ddYd/vLKTK4n1DUK1iVCrkXObNk6l+0nqFaS67Lo=; b=gCo/tQW/PfkajOXwUnjoHFNahEIe6b3qziW81Ip/MBgmF2E964bYQXpiTHP3kaIYjcVUtws3cHToj5IMVgH49A+aTUKHDhcJmf5/zWkLRxF9ivNa5WCWLuQNB1qiwkda; Received: from [24.8.180.234] (port=61353 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SxQFJ-0000jS-U0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:21:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:21:25 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120803222125.GE26239@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> <20120803081433.0ad12c03@AMD620.ovitrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120803081433.0ad12c03@AMD620.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:21:27 -0000 On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 08:14:33AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:57:59 -0600 > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +0000, Traiano Welcome wrote: > > > > > > Unfortunately, patent law and copyright law are very different > > environments. The truth is that probably every nontrivial piece of > > yes. > > > software created infringes several patents, and the only question that > > remains is whether those patents would hold up in court under close > > The best tool against any patents is prior art. . . . assuming you have enough resources to throw at lawyers to effectively fight your case in court. > > The open source scene misses a very simple platform. Even FreeBSD could > offer an extra list named 'prior-art' on which people can publish their > ideas. The moment the server starts distributing the e-mail, nobody can > claim a patent anywhere in the world for the idea mentioned. That would be nice. > > > scrutiny. The greater the disparity in legal expertise and funding > > behind the two parties, the greater the likelihood that the case will > > be found in favor of the party with the greater resources. > > Not true for cases of prior art. Do lawyers not use the law to their clients' advatage -- often abusing it -- just because they're wrong in the final analysis? That is not what I have seen. What I have seen is that a company like SCO can drag out proceedings for most of a decade (2003 to 2010 before the final nail in the Novell v. SCO matter was pounded in, but SCO is *still* suing IBM) when it not only cannot produce evidence of any infringing code, but doesn't even own the copyrights in question. It would take substantially less than a year for a big corporation to make my little LLC go under, regardless of how good a lawyer I can find. In fact, the better the lawyer, the more quickly I'm likely to run out of money to fight the case, because of the rate I'd have to pay a better lawyer. An accountant would be a better investment, to help me save as much money as possible in the midst of a full-scale legal retreat. Contrary to what you seem to want to imply here, in civil suits the guy with the resources usually wins -- especially in matters like patent infringement, where a bunch of hand-wavy nonsense on a piece of paper can usually be interpreted however the better funded legal team wants it to be interpreted. > > > > This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the > > world of software development. Even a frivolous patent that would > > There is no difference for an engineer who works in other fields. That's a fair statement. I wasn't trying to exclude other fields; I was just speaking specifically about software development. > > > not hold up through completion of litigation may serve its purpose by > > bankrupting a defendant before the case is concluded. > > That party must have a real dumb patent attorney then. . . . or very little money relative to the other party. I suppose dollars are equivalent to IQ points in your view. > > > > It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its > > grave, having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, > > though, it will probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, > > projects, and businesses, and I just hope it doesn't get as far as > > the FreeBSD project or any FreeBSD users before things come crashing > > down. > > It is all in the people's mind. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. > > > (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Et > > cetera.) > > This is an example of the real problem. What -- the fact that I understand the law enough to not want to get sued by someone who's dumb enough to take advice from a mailing list on how to handle a patent suit? Are you a patent lawyer? If not, perhaps the real problem in this exchange is *your* lack of understanding of how things work. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 4 05:57:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E28106564A for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 05:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3618FC0A for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 05:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q745vYj7081936; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 07:57:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q745vY0P081933; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 07:57:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 07:57:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20120803222125.GE26239@hemlock.hydra> Message-ID: References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> <20120803081433.0ad12c03@AMD620.ovitrap.com> <20120803222125.GE26239@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 07:57:35 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 05:57:48 -0000 > Do lawyers not use the law to their clients' advatage -- often abusing it > -- just because they're wrong in the final analysis? seems you never worked long with lawyers, or you are lucky and have really fair one. If the word "fair" can be used for lawyers at all. Most often they just want court cases to have "work". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 4 10:44:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78679106564A for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:44:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjr@cruwe.de) Received: from cruwe.de (cruwe.de [188.40.164.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B028FC0A for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruwe.de (unknown [127.0.0.4]) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF21DDC0 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:36:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cruwe.de (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C4139DDBF; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:36:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.cruwe.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from dijkstra.cruwe.de (p5B37BE52.dip.t-dialin.net [91.55.190.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE016DDBA for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:36:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:36:16 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: Message-ID: <20120804123616.34980192@dijkstra.cruwe.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/Rt0CrRyODXt99pJR/N=lbNO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV on mail.cruwe.de using ClamSMTP Subject: cannot build any pkg depending on glibmm on poudriere X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 10:44:58 -0000 --Sig_/Rt0CrRyODXt99pJR/N=lbNO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Currently, I am failing to compile the packages for my machines with poudriere due to some error with glibmm, which I am unable to trace. The problem seems to be (at least from my point of view), that a dependancy to libsigc++ is not resolved corectly. As no PR has been filed yet and the problem persists with my builds for about two weeks, I expect the error is mine. Refraining from spamming the list, I include a snippet from the build-logs which is exemplary for all others which somehow depend on glibmm: =3D=3D=3D> Returning to build of atkmm-2.22.5 =3D=3D=3D> atkmm-2.22.5 depends on shared library: glibmm-2.4.1 - not fou= nd =3D=3D=3D> Verifying install for glibmm-2.4.1 in /usr/ports/devel/glibmm =3D=3D=3D> Installing existing package /usr/ports/packages/All/glibmm-2.28.2,1.txz=20 Installing glibmm-2.28.2,1...Installing gamin-0.1.10_4...Installing glib-2.28.8_4...Installing pcre-8.31\=20 ... done Installing perl-threaded-5.14.2_2...Removing stale symlinks from /usr/bin...=20 Skipping /usr/bin/perl Skipping /usr/bin/perl5 Done. Creating various symlinks in /usr/bin... Symlinking /usr/local/bin/perl5.14.2 to /usr/bin/perl Symlinking /usr/local/bin/perl5.14.2 to /usr/bin/perl5 Done. Cleaning up /etc/make.conf... Done. Spamming /etc/make.conf... Done. done Installing python27-2.7.3_3... done No schema files found: doing nothing. done done Installing gio-fam-backend-2.28.8_1... done missing dependency libsigc++-2.2.10 Failed to install the following 1 package(s): /usr/ports/packages/All/glibmm-2.28.2,1.txz=20 Does anybody have any idea on how to resolve that issue? Cheers, --=20 Christopher TZ: GMT + 2h --Sig_/Rt0CrRyODXt99pJR/N=lbNO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQHPsnAAoJEJTIKW/o3iwU9ZEQAM7QPbMD6KxuE9Sdn+xP5TAe 9p/bRlADfHH2CErPZlwVEeq0+RiEx18eHpCfR+NmuWz/T/A3r1i4XTkjJDWQkZ1H c/DcVXboGfbnRgX3mp0aHlq5JGM1vNMo5feb2KyEioWPyeQmvROWada1HcrGgRWf JeS2NiZ0NSEbTx8g3LnjV5YYPnFToDM6sVZcDoJSx9QsPBiJ+MY1yw+UjTVhuiq6 zM2VpJUNV3XdsgMqs5RcLdIS0sgkUFIl7rRVPFd+Q+WDT+iyT4hHl+WJM1+Am3Em TM+ZZ1BuWrTuoYuDpzyCed3Os+Vv99gkOAXqKIQvkt2Uiop8Aj+gdJQwyjuA5mDv 2APHbTnU/EyGqZBcfYFZM1J838M9q4MKuvqpBD/o4bMIZmQbS3jqxZ2o7eHudW4r EXyhprKC5FYytoRvktYzhKzPg8/VSN2neupUmIObt5Pnti+YBuQqr90R11HA74EZ zDXH1lVJyZeDHQA/qNWVvRf/IfqIRuAR7oO8eP04BJlYQwehlsdDJW18MlQmIUB+ aBci+MqX9dIP3b7xYuB+A6UmBB1wcxm9jmcfL0nPYJLZw5iRY0tzlMSO6JUSqXbw 7hJRQayf6tz18XBeShqkAtj1fVk3KT+20nipLXOtNonWpNtJZtNf8K8L4ozo9lEu +gqv92QrouoXtCbWKX09 =9H5y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Rt0CrRyODXt99pJR/N=lbNO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 4 12:24:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBF0106564A for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:24:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D768FC16 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q74CQs60058248; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 07:26:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 07:26:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201208041226.q74CQs60058248@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: dr2867@pacbell.net, kpneal@pobox.com, wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl In-Reply-To: <1344029675.52304.YahooMailClassic@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:24:55 -0000 > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:34:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Daniel Rudy > Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? > > ...... A big difference between copyright > and patents is that copyright is constitutional (Article 1, Section 8, > Clause 8), patents are not. FALSE TO FACT. Quoting from Article 1, Section 8: "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries,: Congress is _expressly_ authorized to secure "for limited times to ... invetors the esclusive right to their ... inventions". > The reason why patents came up was that back > around 1900 when automobile manufacturing was getting started, companies > would copy each others ideas. You come up with something, then a week > competitors stole your idea and was implementing it in their products. Pure, undiluted, male bovine excrement. Fact: the U.S. had been issuing patents for over ONE HUNDRED YEARS by that time. The first patent under the _current_ numbering sytem was issued on July 13, 1836, with 9,957 patents issued prior to that numberinng system -- the first of which was issued o 7/4, 1790. Now, applying for a patent =was= a convoluted, lengthy (as in -years-), and time-consuming, process -- which a lot of inventors did -not- bother with, unless they saw relatiely "immmediate" opportunities for it to generate commercial revenue. And such 'unprotected' work _was_ 'fair game' for copying. Which was a _good_ thing for the then-nascent auto- motive industry. Imagine the mayhem if somebody had pateted the steering wheel, the gear-shift lever/mechanism, or the arrangement of the foot-pedals. Somebody who learned to drive a Ford, wouldn't be able to drive an Olds, etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 4 13:28:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBE4106566B for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2098FC14 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SxeKO-0005ZW-Fk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 14:23:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SxeOh-0001jp-Q9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 14:28:03 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 14:27:58 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120804142758.0126fded.steve@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Subject: ZFS bonnie puzzlement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 13:28:04 -0000 Hi, I've been looking at the performance of my new NAS box - built using a Jetway JNF99FL-525 with 4GB of 1066 DDR3 and a pair of 2TB Samsung F4 drives in a mirror. It all works but the performance reports are puzzling Running bonnie -s 8192 - reports character and block write times of around 66MB/s which is consistent with what zpool iostat -v and systat -v are showing me. Read performance OTOH is strange, zpool and systat both reporting consistently an aggregated read speed of around 120MB/s during the block read tests (which seems a bit slow for the drives - and indeed systat reports the drives at less than 50% utilisation) but bonnie is only reporting 35MB/s, I see similar discrepancies with simple dd block reads to /dev/null, in which case my stopwatch agrees with dd. I made some more bonnie tests on the boot SSD - there everything is as expected systat and bonnie agree and the disc gets pushed to 90-100% utilisation with write speeds over 100MB/s and read speeds over 250MB/s. Also a dd of the raw drive (read only of course) runs the drives up to around 130MB/s easily - dd and systat agree about the speed. First up can anyone explain the discrepancy between bonnie and zpool/systat for the XFS pool ? 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thanks for the time and help Yuval From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 4 20:59:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C12106566C for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:59:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcomuskus@une.net.co) Received: from une-avas-int03.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5995B8FC08 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (une-avas-int03.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) by myhostname.mydomain.tld (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B0C160D64; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:46:57 -0500 (COT) Received: from unevm-pmta15.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.119]) by une-avas-int03.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1717D1607D0; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:46:55 -0500 (COT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unevm-pmta15.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5C632007F; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:46:55 -0500 (COT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unevm-pmta15.une.net.co Received: from unevm-pmta15.une.net.co ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (unevm-pmta15.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TF7Ufq2ThBp3; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:46:55 -0500 (COT) Received: from [172.16.1.2] (unknown [190.251.109.109]) by unevm-pmta15.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 95CC332007D; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:46:54 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 15:46:53 -0500 From: Marco Muskus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, centos@centos.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:59:36 -0000 Hi Ashkan, I think that XFS & JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the differentiator. Look at L2ARC and ZIL to improve ZFS speed. Regards, El 04/08/12 09:01, ashkab rahmani escribió: > hello > i have 16tb storage. 8x2tb sata raided. > i want to share it on network via nfs. > which file system is better for it? > thank you > ——— > Ashkan R > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 4 19:52:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106D5106566B for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:52:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nepturn@ymail.com) Received: from nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 540A08FC15 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.55] by nm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2012 19:52:00 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.252] by tm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2012 19:52:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2012 19:52:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 234029.7303.bm@omp1017.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 56610 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2012 19:52:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ymail.com; s=s1024; t=1344109919; bh=n7kkac6tkhQRMUSYZlxFv6rIRF9Gv7Ayxlt+wZgCQcI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i/ukVWZVVq7Cx1T8ZYzvG9+uz1X8dy/S7sJH4KokWHpwMJFW1m3qFCkYgEIsyLky9xglOM1ws5wd2QGDlMnAbPQOMPYaU/Iq8JyLfEv37kWE1NVvgZkluh2YC/+oEfxisfYAYY0vo3L4SKvbnMQM6m1vWDWx3w5O+IayJmyJFtI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ymail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KDJXbEAok5/We56ahGOlyofg5UU1lZ1Qga/erR5dyb5JjLksoxFqW3U8Ch7khIkYaIGZTcBjHljERljJI7QYmS5qMDMp+BEyOFtTYaaaakvxL0u4nyah12Ul17KY9EeU1M+hTqUYsTutS9fnaHTahIzzLN7do4Ca9DGu3KNC2N0=; X-YMail-OSG: ip30XO8VM1keVcH8TM44cQsJQULz00aoCZtocBm2O4AXFK. oOOpTRtbX3MM22rjc8h4pgDJ2wF1qUsys8U_Bo6a.ajUQxEJpnlpMNafUH0L j_pICv5pTxZj5PCIvowLw.hWNYmr8TmlvYPi_NrL8myvi1pd2c8lb1VBfVUS 594GNV7nh1v1KP4d83GjFQpfB1ZZbqjjyZhYRc94mRHcaC9Xuge.TM70CSZd UyYbSOri._h9xJE9zn9xn2bQLToy083_BnurQ.yA6LpklrrkDw_rKyroMvX5 QSkqgRXQQCeZWpduNPXH5U7G.0axxWEYziuJfE2iRcqbbhrkDBeUdd75gMT9 0cZkIqdXe.y5ZJJBMN1iEvcb7h2NGyk5YJgpACWRR_V5lRugyj1d8Y6O3Rw- - Received: from [92.25.203.39] by web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:51:59 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344109919.55996.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:51:59 +0100 (BST) From: James To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 21:28:29 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Installing details X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: James List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:52:02 -0000 Hi,=0A=0AI am absolutely new to FreeBSD and would like a simple 'by the han= d' explanation of how to install and use FreeBSD on a Pc. I tried to follow= the info from its website but explanations seem too cryptic for me to unde= rstand properly. I'd like to try it on a empty partition of my hard drive, = alternatively a memory stick/CD/DVD will also do. Appreciating any help.=0A= =0ARegards=0A=0AJames=0A=0A=0APS - I am a regular Windows user.=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 4 21:53:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209E1106566B for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A0F8FC0C for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A1A3CBB1; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:43:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q74LhYX5002461; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:43:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:43:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: James Message-Id: <20120804234334.52a39941.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1344109919.55996.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1344109919.55996.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Installing details X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 21:53:11 -0000 On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:51:59 +0100 (BST), James wrote: > Hi, > > I am absolutely new to FreeBSD and would like a simple 'by the hand' > explanation of how to install and use FreeBSD on a Pc. I tried to > follow the info from its website but explanations seem too cryptic > for me to understand properly. It would be a good idea if you'd mention _what exactly_ is giving you troubles (by reference or quote). Traditionally the FreeBSD documentation is well suited for newbies. Things like terminology that might look "strange" can easily be determined by a google search. Your primary instructions should be: Chapter 2 _or_ 3 of The FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall.html This depends on the version you're going to install. Also check out the FAQ which deals with problems you might encounter. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ There's also a Wiki which might be helpful: http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Main_Page You are of course free to ask specific questions on one of the FreeBSD mailing lists. There's some advice on how to get the best results from using them: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/ The more detailed and precise your questions are, the more you will be able to learn from the answers. > I'd like to try it on a empty partition of my hard drive, > alternatively a memory stick/CD/DVD will also do. Installing to USB sticks encourages you to pay more attention to configuration details due to technical reasons (regarding the media). Creation and installation of live systems to CD or DVD is also possible. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...