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Date:      Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:34:39 -0500
From:      "Matthew D. Fuller" <fullermd@over-yonder.net>
To:        Jeremy Chadwick <jdc@koitsu.org>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Adam Strohl <adams-freebsd@ateamsystems.com>
Subject:   Re: shutdown -r / shutdown -h / reboot all hang and don't cleanly dismount
Message-ID:  <20130619163439.GH1940@over-yonder.net>
In-Reply-To: <20130619161634.GA73965@icarus.home.lan>
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On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 09:16:35AM -0700 I heard the voice of
Jeremy Chadwick, and lo! it spake thus:
> 
> The above CDB + subcommand disables APM entirely.  There is a lot
> more to APM than just parking heads (and in all honesty, APM should
> have nothing to do with parking heads).  Disabling APM can actually
> have drastic effects on drive temperature (meaning there are certain
> chip and/or motor operations that said feature controls *in
> addition* to head parking), and other firmware-level features that
> aren't documented.

True enough, in concept.  With all the drives sitting behind
ventilation perfectly capable of dealing with 15kRPM drives, I don't
worry about what that might do to the 7200's though...


> Furthermore, that CDB does not work for all drives.  There are
> Seagate drives -- I know because I bought some and returned them
> when the APM trick did not work -- that lack the LCC-disable tie-in
> to APM.  The drive either rejected the CDB (ATA status code error
> returned), while others accepted it but nothing in 0xec (IDENTIFY)
> reported as got changed.

Well, I haven't seen it with these.  Several of
ada0: <ST1000DM003-9YN162 CC4D> ATA-8 SATA 3.x device
and some systems with CC4C too.


> I will have -- and eat -- their souls.

The problem with that is that the undigestible bits of "soul" just get
passed right back into the ecosystem, and in a more concentrated form.

Some might suggest that's already happened, and is got us here in the
first place  8-}


-- 
Matthew Fuller     (MF4839)   |  fullermd@over-yonder.net
Systems/Network Administrator |  http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/
           On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream.



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