Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:44:27 +0200 From: Michel Talon <talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr> To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ports system quality Message-ID: <20110829204427.GA63528@lpthe.jussieu.fr>
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>Chad Perrin said: > >On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:17:12AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> FreeBSD needs to get better in this area, but I seriously doubt it >> will >> ever be as easy and painless as something like ubuntu. > >For a great many use cases, Ubuntu is one of the most painful "desktop" >user experiences I have ever encountered. Please, *please* do not >emulate Ubuntu. Any discussion on such subjects should begin by switching off the reality distortion field. For *my own experience* Ubuntu works perfectly OK, in particular all the hardware on my laptop works, suspend works, i have zero problem keeping the "ports" updated, etc. It is the completely no fuss solution. Wether FreeBSD needs to go in a direction or another is a different subject, but *please* be objective in your descriptions. By the way: >it installs software and runs >servers the user will never have any occasion to use, with no obvious >way >to deactivate them; and it essentially enforces the use of huge >collections of software by way of hopelessly intertangled dependencies. is a sentence you can easily apply to any modern system. And most users could not care less that there is *bloat* on their hard disk. Anyways you can find a functional and installable desktop Ubuntu system on a simple CDROM, show me the same for FreeBSD and i will happily conclude it is less bloated. And for the same price you have on said CDROM a live system and an installer which is not a joke like FreeBSD one. Wonder why one system has more users than the other ... -- Michel TALON
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