From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 20:17:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BCC16A4CF; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:17:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6EC43D3F; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:17:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (g4.samsco.home [192.168.0.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6DKNFvM028588; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <40F4432B.70304@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:16:43 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp References: <24292.1089749636@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <24292.1089749636@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: cvs-src@freebsd.org cc: src-committers@freebsd.org cc: cvs-all@freebsd.org cc: Nate Lawson Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/kldunload kldunload.8 kldunload.c X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:17:52 -0000 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <40F43FB3.1030607@freebsd.org>, Scott Long writes: > >>Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> >>>In message <40F43DFE.3000402@freebsd.org>, Scott Long writes: >>> >>> >>> >>>>It typically won't be duplicated. This particular work is good for >>>>things like GEOM modules that don't fit into newbus. If at some point >>>>in the future newbus becomes aware of pseudo-drivers (drivers not >>>>attached by a hardware bus) then this should indeed be revisited. >>> >>> >>>I wish I could grasp from where this "newbus fits all" attiude >>>comes, I certainly see nothing anywhere that could explain it. >> >>NetBSD has most things under newbus. > > > yes, and ? > > I can't help to notice that only the words "NetBSD" and "most" are > present in your reply whereas the words "FreeBSD" and "all" are > significantly absent. > > It is not realistic to expect us to ever tie netgraph modules, tty > linedisciplines, network protocols, filesystems, vm objects, vnodes > and geom classes together with newbus. > > Not now, not in one year and not in ten years time. > > And since all of these things are involved in loadable modules, > I think we should stop wasting time dreaming about the day the > world will be one bit tangle of newbus. > > If we had a big company we could throw a load of money after random > acts of "top down architecture" like that, but with a volunteer > project it is just not going to happen. > Please settle down. My original statement was just a hypothetical and nothing more. The newbus cabal/bikeshed/whatever is not about to come crashing down on your head. Scott