From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 22 07:04:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09136 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:04:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09107; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:03:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from baloon.mimi.com (sjx-ca126-11.ix.netcom.com [207.92.177.203]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05060; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by baloon.mimi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09843; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:03:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:03:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803221503.HAA09843@baloon.mimi.com> To: chuckr@FreeBSD.ORG CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: going to Baltimore.... From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm going to Baltimore this week for a conference. If someone wants to get together (for reasons other than "I want to throw a pie on the SOB's face"), please drop me a note at this address. I'll be leaving on Thursday. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 22 09:43:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28361 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:43:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28353 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:43:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk) Received: from (jraynard.demon.co.uk) [158.152.42.77] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 0yGolw-0004Vy-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:43:01 +0000 Received: (from fhackers@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.6.12) id LAA08361; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:18:46 GMT Message-ID: <19980322111844.39246@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:18:44 +0000 From: James Raynard To: "Tim O'Neil" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-hackers-digest V4 #75 References: <199803220130.RAA06352@norway.it.earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.19980321183329.00936790@pop.flash.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980321183329.00936790@pop.flash.net>; from Tim O'Neil on Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 06:33:29PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 06:33:29PM -0800, Tim O'Neil wrote: > > Well, I replied with instructions and a full quote > of his letter. Careful - I've seen a lot of spam originating from earthlink.net, so this could well be an address-gathering exercise. A better response would be to block them, IMHO. James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 22 10:09:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01331 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:09:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01310 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:09:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16696; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:09:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: James Raynard cc: "Tim O'Neil" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-hackers-digest V4 #75 In-Reply-To: <19980322111844.39246@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, James Raynard wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 06:33:29PM -0800, Tim O'Neil wrote: > > > > Well, I replied with instructions and a full quote > > of his letter. > > Careful - I've seen a lot of spam originating from earthlink.net, > so this could well be an address-gathering exercise. Don't you think it would be easier for the spammer to just subscribe his address-gathering robot to the list? And while I have seen a lot of spam from earthlink as well, effective procmail filters get rid of almost all of it (95% in my experience, and I've made some improvements that seem to have taken that up to 98-99%). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 22 15:31:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25906 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25855 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:31:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18541; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd018519; Sun Mar 22 16:31:02 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29641; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:30:53 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803222330.QAA29641@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: freebsd-hackers-digest V4 #75 To: ejs@bfd.com (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:30:52 +0000 (GMT) Cc: fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk, toniel@flash.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Eric J. Schwertfeger" at Mar 22, 98 10:09:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > And while I have seen a lot of spam from earthlink as well, effective > procmail filters get rid of almost all of it (95% in my experience, and > I've made some improvements that seem to have taken that up to 98-99%). The best thing about destination filtering like this is that you get to pay to download the SPAM before you throw it away, so it can count against your 200 hours (~8 days) before message units kick in on ISDN links from non-flat-rate providers like Pac Bell and US West (among others). Oh wait, that's not why destination filtering is a *good* idea, that's why it's a *stupid* idea... Anyone with an ISDN link that they've had to pay message units on this month? If so, you should bill the SPAM'mers for the difference. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 00:32:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07093 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:32:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07068 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:32:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA21946; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:32:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Terry Lambert cc: fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk, toniel@flash.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-hackers-digest V4 #75 In-Reply-To: <199803222330.QAA29641@usr06.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > And while I have seen a lot of spam from earthlink as well, effective > > procmail filters get rid of almost all of it (95% in my experience, and > > I've made some improvements that seem to have taken that up to 98-99%). > > The best thing about destination filtering like this is that you get > to pay to download the SPAM before you throw it away, so it can count > against your 200 hours (~8 days) before message units kick in on ISDN > links from non-flat-rate providers like Pac Bell and US West (among > others). > > Oh wait, that's not why destination filtering is a *good* idea, that's > why it's a *stupid* idea... Stupid for your situation, Terry, not for mine. Blocking all hotmail is not fine for us, because some of our customers are using hotmail. So we're to punish everyone that uses an email address who's domain has ever been forged? We don't have metered usage, and aren't near capacity either, so it's not a serious cost. For the record, I still go through every spam we receive and contact the ISP of the injection point if it's apparent, and notify anyone that looks like they got used as an unwitting relay, and my time is probably a much more significant cost than the bandwith of 3% of our email, which even that is a drop in the bucket compared to how much surfing gets done during lunch around here. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 01:18:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14253 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:18:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from citadel.cdsec.com (citadel.cdsec.com [192.96.22.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14233 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:18:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gram@cdsec.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by citadel.cdsec.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA16148 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:23:54 +0200 (SAT) Received: by citadel via recvmail id 16109; Mon Mar 23 11:23:06 1998 From: Graham Wheeler Message-Id: <199803230922.LAA11291@cdsec.com> Subject: Re: freebsd-hackers-digest V4 #75 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:22:34 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25-h4.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Stupid for your situation, Terry, not for mine. Blocking all hotmail is > not fine for us, because some of our customers are using hotmail. So we're > to punish everyone that uses an email address who's domain has ever been > forged? We don't have metered usage, and aren't near capacity either, so > it's not a serious cost. For the record, I still go through every spam we > receive and contact the ISP of the injection point if it's apparent, and > notify anyone that looks like they got used as an unwitting relay, and my > time is probably a much more significant cost than the bandwith of 3% of > our email, which even that is a drop in the bucket compared to how much > surfing gets done during lunch around here. We block all hotmail and a number of other sites. More than 50% of the rejected spam we receive is (purportedly) from hotmail. When people complain that they can't use hotmail accounts we get them to move to others that are less abused, like juno.com. As you say, checking and trying to have action taken against each spam message is costly. That's why blocking such sites can be doubly effective - not only do you not waste the bandwidth but you save yourself having to check the spam that gets thrown out. Even when we block a site, we let it get as far as the MAIL FROM: and RCPT TO: lines; I get a daily report of all the remote hosts, the purported sender, and the purported receiver; this is enough to quickly check whether any legitimate mail got inadvertantly blocked (which is very rare; about one message per month). It's much easier to deal with that one than with the many spams. regards Graham -- Dr Graham Wheeler E-mail: gram@cdsec.com Citadel Data Security Phone: +27(21)23-6065/6/7 Internet/Intranet Network Specialists Mobile: +27(83)-253-9864 Firewalls/Virtual Private Networks Fax: +27(21)24-3656 Data Security Products WWW: http://www.cdsec.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 07:49:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06448 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:49:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from p.funk.org (p.funk.org [194.109.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06426 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:49:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alexlh@p.funk.org) Received: (from alexlh@localhost) by p.funk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00687; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:49:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alexlh) Message-ID: <19980323164943.11214@p.funk.org> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:49:43 +0100 From: Alex Le Heux To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: multi-port ethernet cards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Does anyone know of any multi-port ethernet (10baseT) cards that are supported? Or that might easily become supported? Alex -- A computer without Windows is like a fish without a bicycle. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 07:56:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08047 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:56:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA08039 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:56:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA09423; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:20:04 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803231420.PAA09423@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: a possibly interesting article... To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:20:04 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ... on how microsoft manages its web server (May 1997). http://microsoft.com/syspro/technet/tnnews/features/mscom.htm The web page has some data, and a pointer to an article in MSWord format. The instruction also instruct you to download the Word Viewer if you don't have MSWord. The case that you don't run Windows is not contemplated :) Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 08:10:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10558 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f146.hotmail.com [207.82.251.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA10364 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from v_pr@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 3487 invoked by uid 0); 23 Mar 1998 16:09:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19980323160927.3486.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.125.90.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:09:26 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.125.90.2] From: "pratap singh" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, alexlh@funk.org Subject: Re: multi-port ethernet cards Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:09:26 PST Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Alex, I think SBUS 10 Base-T Ethernet cards are available from Antares Microsystems, Inc. These are quad port ethernet cards. Hope this helps, prats >From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mon Mar 23 07:51:24 1998 >Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) > by smyrno.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id JAA23372; > Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:51:15 -0600 (CST) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA06972; > Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:51:12 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:49:55 -0800 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06448 > for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:49:54 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) >Received: from p.funk.org (p.funk.org [194.109.86.226]) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06426 > for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:49:46 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from alexlh@p.funk.org) >Received: (from alexlh@localhost) > by p.funk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00687; > Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:49:44 +0100 (CET) > (envelope-from alexlh) >Message-ID: <19980323164943.11214@p.funk.org> >Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:49:43 +0100 >From: Alex Le Heux >To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: multi-port ethernet cards >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i >Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG >X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Hi, > >Does anyone know of any multi-port ethernet (10baseT) cards that >are supported? >Or that might easily become supported? > >Alex > >-- >A computer without Windows is like a fish without a bicycle. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 08:25:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12915 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:25:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12890; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:24:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199803231624.IAA12890@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: a possibly interesting article... In-Reply-To: <199803231420.PAA09423@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "Mar 23, 98 03:20:04 pm" To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:24:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo wrote: > ... on how microsoft manages its web server (May 1997). > > http://microsoft.com/syspro/technet/tnnews/features/mscom.htm > > The web page has some data, and a pointer to an article in MSWord > format. > > The instruction also instruct you to download the Word Viewer if > you don't have MSWord. > > The case that you don't run Windows is not contemplated :) this article is dated May 8, 1997. in email on the FreeBSD mailing lists, a person from microsoft disavowed the accuracy of this article. when asked for accurate data, they never replied. grrr......i cant find it in the mail archive for questions and hackers. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 08:43:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16348 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:43:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from p.funk.org (p.funk.org [194.109.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16140 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:41:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alexlh@p.funk.org) Received: (from alexlh@localhost) by p.funk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00762; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:41:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alexlh) Message-ID: <19980323174101.62694@p.funk.org> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:41:01 +0100 From: Alex Le Heux To: pratap singh , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multi-port ethernet cards References: <19980323160927.3486.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980323160927.3486.qmail@hotmail.com>; from pratap singh on Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 08:09:26AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 08:09:26AM -0800, pratap singh wrote: > > Hi Alex, > I think SBUS 10 Base-T Ethernet cards are available from Antares > Microsystems, Inc. These are quad port ethernet cards. Hi, Is this SBUS as you find them in Sparc machines? How's that going to be supported by FreeBSD? Alex -- A computer without Windows is like a fish without a bicycle. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 08:55:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18032 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:55:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17986 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:55:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no (2602@gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.86]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA07018; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:50:12 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:50:11 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Duncan Barclay Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE+LPIP causing random lockups References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 23 Mar 1998 17:50:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: Duncan Barclay's message of "Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:29:54 -0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Duncan Barclay writes: > On 15-Mar-98 Peter Jeremy wrote: > > The symptoms are that my main machine (only) locks up and needs a > > reset to recover. The laptop has never been affected. The problem > > only occurs when there is LPIP activity between the machines and seems > > to also correlate with disk activity on the main machine, and using > Only to add that I have seen this happen in a similar set up. However I feel it > is also to do with having a "fast" and "slow" machine. The "fast" machine > dies more frequently than the "slow" machine; and it depends on which machine I submitted a PR about this (i386/5698) on February 10th. It would be useful if you could both follow it up with whatever information and observations you have. Just point your browser to this URL: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=5698 I have been looking into this a little, but did not really get anywhere except a slight cleanup of the lp driver (which has been merged into -current - or so I've been told; I don't run -current myself, for lack of bandwidth). Since the last of these reboots cost me the root inode on my laptop's /usr, I am somewhat disinclined to do any more testing unless I get my hands on a second scratch machine. -- fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 09:36:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24613 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:36:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA24460; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:35:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA09509; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:57:35 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803231457.PAA09509@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: a possibly interesting article... To: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:57:34 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803231624.IAA12890@hub.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Mar 23, 98 08:24:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > ... on how microsoft manages its web server (May 1997). > > > > http://microsoft.com/syspro/technet/tnnews/features/mscom.htm > > > > The web page has some data, and a pointer to an article in MSWord > > format. > > this article is dated May 8, 1997. > > in email on the FreeBSD mailing lists, a person from > microsoft disavowed the accuracy of this article. > when asked for accurate data, they never replied. in fact i cannot really parse the numbers, and in some places I have no idea if they use "MB" for megaBYTES or megaBITS ... one of the sentences claims a bandwidth of 1800MB/s and a 4-CPU P6 machine pumping out 120MB/s of data ... over FDDI(s)... cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 09:49:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26855 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:49:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26845; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:49:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13231; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:44:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803231744.JAA13231@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG (Jonathan M. Bresler), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a possibly interesting article... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:57:34 +0100." <199803231457.PAA09509@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:44:45 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > ... on how microsoft manages its web server (May 1997). > > > > > > http://microsoft.com/syspro/technet/tnnews/features/mscom.htm > > > > > > The web page has some data, and a pointer to an article in MSWord > > > format. > > > > this article is dated May 8, 1997. > > > > in email on the FreeBSD mailing lists, a person from > > microsoft disavowed the accuracy of this article. > > when asked for accurate data, they never replied. > > in fact i cannot really parse the numbers, and in some places I > have no idea if they use "MB" for megaBYTES or megaBITS ... one of > the sentences claims a bandwidth of 1800MB/s and a 4-CPU P6 machine > pumping out 120MB/s of data ... over FDDI(s)... What's most amusing to me is that they require this obscene pile of garbage to put out a measly 350GB/day. Wcarchive does about 250GB with a single P6. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 10:03:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29036 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:03:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29010; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:02:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199803231802.KAA29010@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: a possibly interesting article... In-Reply-To: <199803231744.JAA13231@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Mar 23, 98 09:44:45 am" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:02:56 -0800 (PST) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > What's most amusing to me is that they require this obscene pile of > garbage to put out a measly 350GB/day. > > Wcarchive does about 250GB with a single P6. 8) BINGO! admittedly they do mostly http and we do ftp but still a 44:1 ratio.....seems about right to me ;P jvb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 10:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01797 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:20:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01787 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA16587; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:20:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:20:12 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a possibly interesting article... In-Reply-To: <199803231420.PAA09423@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > ... on how microsoft manages its web server (May 1997). > > http://microsoft.com/syspro/technet/tnnews/features/mscom.htm > > The web page has some data, and a pointer to an article in MSWord > format. > > The instruction also instruct you to download the Word Viewer if > you don't have MSWord. So, one of the great things about HTML (one of the few great things about HTML :) is that it is almost universally accessible across platforms. Now if only Microsoft practiced what they preached, and used HTML for their documents, maybe I would be able to see their marketing junk :). As it is, they are surely not going to convert me if they won't put their documents online in a format where I can read them. Perhaps it is just as well, from having read a few of the other responses :). They are saving themselves from having me laugh at them when relating their story to friends :). Robert N Watson Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 10:37:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04780 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:37:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04751 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:37:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id LAA02139; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:36:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05988; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:36:01 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:36:01 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Mike Smith cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a possibly interesting article... In-Reply-To: <199803231744.JAA13231@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (followups probably better directed to chat...) On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > What's most amusing to me is that they require this obscene pile of > garbage to put out a measly 350GB/day. > > Wcarchive does about 250GB with a single P6. 8) That is not a fair comparison. Dynamic content is very different than static content. Microsoft does an awful lot of dynamic content on their website, sometimes for no apparent reason. wcarchive does very little dynamic content from what I would guess. I'm not claiming that NT isn't horrible and doesn't require more hardware, especially to make it stable, but this particular comparison really isn't too meaningful. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 11:19:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14369 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:19:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from danberlinresnet.rochester.edu (root@danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu [128.151.91.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14255; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:18:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@danberlin.resnet.rochester.edu) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by danberlinresnet.rochester.edu (8.9.0.Beta3/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07304; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:13:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:12:42 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Berlin X-Sender: root@danberlin To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Luigi Rizzo , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a possibly interesting article... In-Reply-To: <199803231624.IAA12890@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you get me the name, i'll look it up in the global address book (tell you who they are, what they do, etc). I work part time for MS (I'm a college student, at college). Technically i'm a professional evangelist. But i'm not here to argue, so please don't pick a fight. As i said, I'm a college student, i need the money, and it's quite a fun job from my perspective. --Dan On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > ... on how microsoft manages its web server (May 1997). > > > > http://microsoft.com/syspro/technet/tnnews/features/mscom.htm > > > > The web page has some data, and a pointer to an article in MSWord > > format. > > > > The instruction also instruct you to download the Word Viewer if > > you don't have MSWord. > > > > The case that you don't run Windows is not contemplated :) > > this article is dated May 8, 1997. > > in email on the FreeBSD mailing lists, a person from > microsoft disavowed the accuracy of this article. > when asked for accurate data, they never replied. > > grrr......i cant find it in the mail archive for > questions and hackers. > jmb > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 11:21:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15053 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14812 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:20:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA09827; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:43:07 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803231743.SAA09827@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: a possibly interesting article... To: marcs@znep.com (Marc Slemko) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:43:06 +0100 (MET) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Marc Slemko" at Mar 23, 98 11:35:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > (followups probably better directed to chat...) maybe, although I did not want to start a competition among different servers. It's just that such data on traffic etc is not easily available, and even less available is data on the number of requests for a single item. So, the page does have some interesting numbers. E.g. one thing i would be curious, and never found out, is how many downloads there are of a new FreeBSD release when it comes out, say in 6hrs periods for the first few days. And, how much bandwidth and CPU could be saved if FreeBSD was distributed using multicast e.g. with an application like RMDP... cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 11:24:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15747 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:24:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15535 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:23:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11001; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd010920; Mon Mar 23 12:23:30 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06617; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:23:25 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803231923.MAA06617@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: freebsd-hackers-digest V4 #75 To: ejs@bfd.com (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:23:25 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk, toniel@flash.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Eric J. Schwertfeger" at Mar 23, 98 00:32:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Oh wait, that's not why destination filtering is a *good* idea, that's > > why it's a *stupid* idea... > > Stupid for your situation, Terry, not for mine. Blocking all hotmail is > not fine for us, because some of our customers are using hotmail. Not that Hotmail is relevent, but... Just FYI, Hotmail is a harvester. If you send mail to a Hotmail user from a non-Hotmail user, or if a Hotmail user sends you mail, your address gets "harvested" and put onto a for-sale "SPAM me" list. Juno does the same thing, as do three of the four "unsubscribe me" ``services'' referenced from the Ziff-Davis page. I intentionally bought (and burned) a domain testing this out. From different accounts, I sent mail to or sent mail from the various "free" mail accounts, or "unsubscribed" using one of the "services" for unsubscribing. I also sent "unsubscribe" messages from other accounts to the various "send an 'unsubscribe' to this account to get off our list" addresses from various SPAM. Each account was seperate, and no address had appeared anywhere at any time, except through those venues. Out of 70 accounts, all but 6 received SPAM. So you would do well to block mail both *from* and *to* such addresses. > So we're to punish everyone that uses an email address who's domain > has ever been forged? All forgeries are detectable. All of them. Period. The "Received:" timestamp/"From:" line ordering give them away. The only place where this isn't so is a SPAM'mer-friendly ISP, which does not verify IP addresses in the timestamp. And yes, such ISP's whould be blocked until they can play by the RFC822/RFC821 header rules. > We don't have metered usage, and aren't near capacity either, so > it's not a serious cost. Well, feel free to burn CPU cycles, disk, and bandwidth dealing with the problem on your end of things. > For the record, I still go through every spam we receive and contact > the ISP of the injection point if it's apparent, I do the same. It's always apparent, because I go through the same "probe" process as the SPAM'mer, with a purpose-built SMTP/DNS client. > and notify anyone that looks like they got used as an unwitting relay, I go further. I offer to help the site disable relaying. I have disabled 28 relays, so far. If I get more relayed SPAM, I will disable those as well, The biggest current offenders are Netcom, MCI, and UU.NET, which apparently resell accounts to the same people, even after AUP violations. These people aren't interested in anti-relay, for the most part, and generally SPAM's through them are via "burnable" accounts. In this case, I make it a point to ensure that the accounts get burned. Not surprisingly, the major SPAM "Providers", when notified of what I do, tend to remove me from their distributed lists. It is simply not cost effective to burn a relay in order to send me, personally, a SPAM for a product which I will never buy. It's simple business sense to *not* SPAM me. > and my time is probably a much more significant cost than the > bandwith of 3% of our email, which even that is a drop in the > bucket compared to how much surfing gets done during lunch > around here. I recommend RBL. If you automate the task, it will take much less than 3% of your time. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 11:26:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16363 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:26:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (dyn1-tnt9-78.chicago.il.ameritech.net [199.179.170.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16174 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:25:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@stox.sa.enteract.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.stox.sa.enteract.com [127.0.0.1]) by m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA25942; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:25:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:25:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a possibly interesting article... In-Reply-To: <199803231420.PAA09423@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > ... on how microsoft manages its web server (May 1997). > > http://microsoft.com/syspro/technet/tnnews/features/mscom.htm > > The web page has some data, and a pointer to an article in MSWord > format. > > The instruction also instruct you to download the Word Viewer if > you don't have MSWord. > > The case that you don't run Windows is not contemplated :) Very interesting. And an out and out lie. When Windows 95 was released, I watched their web site(s) very carefully. They were running BSDI on a number of machines because it was obvious that NT was falling over too often. Over time, and once NT4.0 was released this all changed. I really wished I had taken the time to document it, and take them to task. :-( The statements they make now may be true, but were not in the past. -Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 11:43:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22134 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:43:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22021 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA18570; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.Alameda.net(207.90.181.2) via SMTP by DNS.Lamb.net, id smtpd018568; Mon Mar 23 11:43:08 1998 Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.6/8.7.6) id LAA21699; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:42:58 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199803231942.LAA21699@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Subject: Re: multi-port ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <19980323164943.11214@p.funk.org> from Alex Le Heux at "Mar 23, 98 04:49:43 pm" To: alexlh@funk.org (Alex Le Heux) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:42:57 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > > Does anyone know of any multi-port ethernet (10baseT) cards that > are supported? > Or that might easily become supported? > > Alex > > -- > A computer without Windows is like a fish without a bicycle. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message http://www.zynx.com/ I have the ZX-314 and works great with FreeBSD (4 port card). Adaptec/Cogent makes one too, which is supported as far I know. Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 11:43:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22198 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:43:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22125 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:43:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHCk7-0004Io-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:18:43 -0800 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:18:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: "Kenneth P. Stox" cc: Luigi Rizzo , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a possibly interesting article... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > Very interesting. And an out and out lie. When Windows 95 was released, I > watched their web site(s) very carefully. They were running BSDI on a http://winamillion.msn.com is also non-NT (probably BSDI). Apparently, MSN has a few other non-NT systems too. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 11:48:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23749 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:48:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23613 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:48:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23522; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd023475; Mon Mar 23 12:48:03 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08455; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:47:59 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803231947.MAA08455@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: freebsd-hackers-digest V4 #75 To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Cc: ejs@bfd.com, tlambert@primenet.com, fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk, toniel@flash.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803231923.MAA06617@usr06.primenet.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 23, 98 07:23:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Oh wait, that's not why destination filtering is a *good* idea, that's > > > why it's a *stupid* idea... > > > > Stupid for your situation, Terry, not for mine. Blocking all hotmail is > > not fine for us, because some of our customers are using hotmail. > > Not that Hotmail is relevent, but... > > Just FYI, Hotmail is a harvester. If you send mail to a Hotmail > user from a non-Hotmail user, or if a Hotmail user sends you mail, > your address gets "harvested" and put onto a for-sale "SPAM me" > list. > > Juno does the same thing, as do three of the four "unsubscribe me" > ``services'' referenced from the Ziff-Davis page. I didn't realize this was not going to "chat", like it was supposed to, according to the last claims for "followups to chat". For the record, let me note that the "harvesting" could be covert, instead of being corporately sponsored. It could very well be that these places have inadequate hiring practices, in which case they could end up with an untrustworthy employee selling their mail logs to the highest bidder. Obviously, from my previous mail, I think that this is a relatively improbable explanation, but it *is* a possibility (however almost astronomically remote I believe that explanation to be). It could also be that their sites have been compromised by SPAM'mer crackers (an even more remote possibility, IMO). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 12:48:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03646 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:48:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03612 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:48:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA02320 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:48:08 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:48:07 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Finding an FS on the disk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I blew a disklabel on a disk today 8-( The layout of the disk was: 1) disklabel 2) some free sectors 3) swap partition 64-128M (I don't really remember) 4) A file system of ~800MB Now what I want to do is find (if even aproximately) the beginning of the file system to get the data. The program in the archives does not do what I want (it looks for a disk label, but there is none to be found, as the only one got overwritten by disklabel sd2 auto). Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 13:35:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15140 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:35:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arjun.niksun.com (gw.niksun.com [206.20.52.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14595 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ath@niksun.com) Received: from stiegl.niksun.com (stiegl.niksun.com [10.0.0.44]) by arjun.niksun.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA14299; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:30:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ath@stiegl.niksun.com) Received: (from ath@localhost) by stiegl.niksun.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA22215; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:33:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ath) To: Narvi cc: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finding an FS on the disk References: From: Andrew Heybey Date: 23 Mar 1998 16:33:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: Narvi's message of Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:48:07 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <85afahf5xn.fsf@stiegl.niksun.com> Lines: 84 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here is some code I wrote when I had a similar problem under SunOS. I just modified it to compile and (apparently) work under FreeBSD. Do something like: ./find_super /dev/rwd0c and it will print something like: Found possible superblock at sector 16: size 65536, bsize 8192, fsize 1024 Found possible superblock at sector 32: size 65536, bsize 8192, fsize 1024 ... superblocks (& backups) from /var, /usr, etc. You have to figure out a) whether you just got unlucky and there happened to be an FS_MAGIC at the beggining of a sector of otherwise random data (which is why my program prints out size, bsize & fsize for sanity checking), b) which superblock is the one at the beginning of the file system you care about and c) how to recover your data once you have passed a) and b). Good luck. andrew ==================== cut here (MIME? what's that?) ================== /* Hunt for file system superblocks on disk. * Andrew Heybey, ath@niksun.com * * This code is placed in the public domain. No warantee. * * $Id: find_super.c,v 1.2 1998/03/23 21:28:48 ath Exp $ */ #include #include #include #include #include #define BUFSIZE (512*1024) main(argc, argv) int argc; char *argv[]; { char *dev = argv[1]; int fd; int res; FILE *out = stdout; u_long sect = 0; char buf[BUFSIZE]; int cnt, limit; struct fs *fs; fd = open (dev, O_RDONLY); if (fd < 0) { perror ("open"); exit (1); } for (;;) { res = read (fd, buf, sizeof (buf)); if (res != sizeof (buf)) break; for (cnt = 0; cnt < BUFSIZE; cnt += 512, sect++) { fs = (struct fs *)&buf[cnt]; if (fs->fs_magic != FS_MAGIC) continue; fprintf (out, "Found possible superblock at sector %u:\n", sect); fprintf (out, "size %ld, bsize %ld, fsize %ld\n", fs->fs_size, fs->fs_bsize, fs->fs_fsize); } } if (res < 0) { perror ("read"); } close (fd); } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 14:01:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21473 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:01:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay1.kar.net (relay1.kar.net [195.5.17.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21402 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:01:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kushn@mail.kar.net) Received: from olinet.isf.kiev.ua by relay1.kar.net with ESMTP id XAA10348; (8.8.last/vAk3/1.9) Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:44:23 +0200 (EET) Received: from kushnir.kiev.ua by olinet.isf.kiev.ua with SMTP id XAA25530; (8.8.last/vAk3/1.9) Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:44:34 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:49:34 +0200 (EET) From: Vladimir Kushnir X-Sender: volodya@kushnir.kiev.ua Reply-To: Vladimir Kushnir To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DEVFS awareness for VoxWare? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Sorry if this does not belong here or just plain stupid. Yes, I know fairly well this is not one of the urgent things (especially now), but since new sound driver does not yet support midi port, would not it make some sence to update a bit the old one? In particular, I mean adding DEVFS awareness to it. It doesn't seem to be too difficult (see patch below). It works (as it should to - after all, there's nothing new there). Unfortunately, I'm too ignorant as a programmer and can't suggest nothing better, but perhaps somebody would take a pain to improve it (to avoid silly code duplication with all unneeded if's) and add other supported cards (I've got only Yamaha SA2 card with MSS and SB simulations and OPL3 FM)? Regards, Vladimir /*--------------------sys/i386/isa/sound/soundcard.c.diff-----------------*/ *** ../tmp/soundcard.c Mon Mar 23 22:48:26 1998 --- soundcard.c Mon Mar 23 16:22:06 1998 *************** *** 26,33 **** --- 26,37 ---- * SUCH DAMAGE. * */ + #include "opt_devfs.h" #include + #ifdef DEVFS + #include + #endif /* DEVFS */ #if NSND > 0 /* from "snd.h" */ #include *************** *** 449,456 **** dev = makedev(CDEV_MAJOR, 0); cdevsw_add(&dev, &snd_cdevsw, NULL); } ! ! return TRUE; } --- 453,481 ---- dev = makedev(CDEV_MAJOR, 0); cdevsw_add(&dev, &snd_cdevsw, NULL); } ! #ifdef DEVFS ! /* if (dev->id_driver == &sbdriver || dev->id_driver == &gusdriver || ! dev->id_driver == &sbxvidriver || dev->id_driver == &mssdriver) */ ! if (dev->id_driver == &mssdriver) ! { ! devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_DSP, DV_CHR, ! UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, "dsp%n", dev->id_unit); ! devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_DSP16, DV_CHR, ! UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, "dspW%n", dev->id_unit); ! devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_AUDIO, DV_CHR, ! UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, "audio%n", dev->id_unit); ! devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_CTL, DV_CHR, ! UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, "mixer%n", dev->id_unit); ! devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_STATUS, DV_CHR, ! UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, "sndstat%n", dev->id_unit); ! } ! else if (dev->id_driver == &opldriver) ! devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_SEQ, DV_CHR, ! UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, "sequencer%n", dev->id_unit); ! else if (dev->id_driver == &mpudriver) ! devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_MIDIN, DV_CHR, ! UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, "midi%n", dev->id_unit); ! #endif /* DEVFS */ return TRUE; } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 14:28:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26845 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:28:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26835 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA07102; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:26:17 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA20322; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:26:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980323232615.54104@follo.net> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:26:15 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Vladimir Kushnir , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS awareness for VoxWare? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Vladimir Kushnir on Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 11:49:34PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 11:49:34PM +0200, Vladimir Kushnir wrote: > Hello, > Sorry if this does not belong here or just plain stupid. It is usually better to submit patches through send-pr, in case nobody take care of it immediately. However, we're not picky - anybody sending in enhancements deserve praise, not flames. > Yes, I know fairly well this is not one of the urgent things (especially > now), but since new sound driver does not yet support midi port, would not > it make some sence to update a bit the old one? In particular, I mean > adding DEVFS awareness to it. It doesn't seem to be too difficult (see > patch below). It works (as it should to - after all, there's nothing new > there). Unfortunately, I'm too ignorant as a programmer and can't suggest > nothing better, but perhaps somebody would take a pain to improve it (to > avoid silly code duplication with all unneeded if's) and add other > supported cards (I've got only Yamaha SA2 card with MSS and SB > simulations and OPL3 FM)? Can you test if the following patch work for you? This should cover all cases (except trixmidi, which for some reason is removed from the driver list, and which I thus can't test for.) Index: soundcard.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/isa/sound/soundcard.c,v retrieving revision 1.63 diff -u -r1.63 soundcard.c --- soundcard.c 1998/02/10 21:51:00 1.63 +++ soundcard.c 1998/03/23 22:21:30 @@ -26,8 +26,12 @@ * SUCH DAMAGE. * */ +#include "opt_devfs.h" #include +#ifdef DEVFS +#include +#endif /* DEVFS */ #if NSND > 0 /* from "snd.h" */ #include @@ -449,8 +453,34 @@ dev = makedev(CDEV_MAJOR, 0); cdevsw_add(&dev, &snd_cdevsw, NULL); } - - +#ifdef DEVFS + if (dev->id_driver == &opldriver) + devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_SEQ, + DV_CHR, UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, + "sequencer%n", dev->id_unit); + else if (dev->id_driver == &mpudriver || dev->id_driver == &sbmididriver || + dev->id_driver == &uartdriver) + devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_MIDIN, + DV_CHR, UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, + "midi%n", dev->id_unit); + else { + devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_DSP, + DV_CHR, UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, + "dsp%n", dev->id_unit); + devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_DSP16, + DV_CHR, UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, + "dspW%n", dev->id_unit); + devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_AUDIO, + DV_CHR, UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, + "audio%n", dev->id_unit); + devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_CTL, + DV_CHR, UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, + "mixer%n", dev->id_unit); + devfs_add_devswf(&snd_cdevsw, (dev->id_unit << 4) | SND_DEV_STATUS, + DV_CHR, UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0666, + "sndstat%n", dev->id_unit); + } +#endif /* DEVFS */ return TRUE; } If this works, I'll commit it. (I've done a few style changes, which you probably notice.) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 14:34:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28269 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:34:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from computer.eng.mindspring.net (computer.eng.mindspring.net [207.69.183.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28030 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:33:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ahobson@computer.eng.mindspring.net) Received: (from ahobson@localhost) by computer.eng.mindspring.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) id RAA12310; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:32:48 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Hobson To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finding an FS on the disk References: <85afahf5xn.fsf@stiegl.niksun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 23 Mar 1998 17:32:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Andrew Heybey's message of "23 Mar 1998 16:33:40 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 37 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.29/XEmacs 20.5(beta30) - "Moxoto" X-Face: (e_H,)"'M4u!E!3"|XVHJ=[/_.:z73Z^oGf")[Payuf said: > Here is some code I wrote when I had a similar problem under SunOS. I > just modified it to compile and (apparently) work under FreeBSD. I did just about the same thing, except I used a shell script: #!/usr/local/bin/zsh for x in {0..1024}; do dd if=/dev/sd0 bs=1m skip=$x count=1 of=/tmp/ddfile 2>/dev/null echo "$x:" hexdump /tmp/ddfile | grep '1954 0001$' done exit 0 All of the information below is gleaned from experience and not from reading the code, so I hope it's accurate for more than just my computer. When you see two magic numbers separated by 8k: 128: 000a350 0001 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 1954 0001 000c350 0001 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 1954 0001 You should have found a partition. Of course, then you have to figure out how to construct your disklabel appropriately. In my case, it found the block at 128M (if your partitions are aligned on MB boundaries, then you should see the magic numbers at offsets a350 and c350 like I do above), so this partition would be at offset 128*1024*2 = 262114. Drew -- "Joe, release me from your Kung-Fu grip." -- Stacy Lavelle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 15:03:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04185 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:03:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peotl.tuebingen.netsurf.de (host-341.tuebingen.netsurf.de [195.180.140.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04176 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:03:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thz@tuebingen.netsurf.de) Received: (from thz@localhost) by peotl.tuebingen.netsurf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11267; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:03:00 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from thz) Message-ID: <19980324000259.37686@tuebingen.netsurf.de> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:02:59 +0100 From: Thomas Zenker To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: a possibly interesting article... References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Tom on Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 11:18:37AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 11:18:37AM -0800, Tom wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > > Very interesting. And an out and out lie. When Windows 95 was released, I > > watched their web site(s) very carefully. They were running BSDI on a > > http://winamillion.msn.com is also non-NT (probably BSDI). Apparently, > MSN has a few other non-NT systems too. > Actually in feb '95 they were about to order a bunch of licences from BSDI, a number between 200 and 300. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 17:18:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02516 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:18:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pandora.hh.kew.com (root@kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.94.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02510 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:18:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from software@kew.com) Received: from sonata.uucp.kew.com (sonata.hh.kew.com [192.168.203.135]) by pandora.hh.kew.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05536 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from kew.com by sonata.uucp.kew.com (UUPC/extended 1.12y) with UUCP for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:18:26 -0500 Received: from kew.com by sonata.uucp.kew.com (UUPC/extended 1.12y) with ESMTP for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:18:24 -0500 Message-ID: <351709DF.FC4A00CF@kew.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:18:23 -0500 From: Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended software support Organization: Kendra Electronic Wonderworks, Stoneham, MA 02180 (http://www.kew.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: build -current kernel on -stable? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a request to check a problem by building on a -current kernel on my -stable test system. while I have the disk space to install kernel, it had to go on the second hard drive partition, which in my case is wd2s2. For the record, the kernel gets really pissed off when you try this and it can't find root. I don't know if it's because there is a second FreeBSD slice on the disk (wd2s3), no wd1, or what. I'm trying to work through it with a build of the kernel on the -stable side. I mounted the -current root and -current /usr (as /current/root and /current/usr), and added -I/current/usr/include to the Makefile. Should this work? I'm using the -stable config, Make, and gcc -- I tweaked the i386.options to make NPX Standard ... -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-279-9812 AAAAAA - American Association Against Acronym Abuse Anonymous. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 17:25:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03707 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:25:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA03676 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:25:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yHISW-0007ZG-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:24:56 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA15299 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:25:01 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803240125.SAA15299@harmony.village.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Serial Keyboards Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:25:01 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK. I've been looking at ways to get a serial keyboard that I picked up cheap working on FreeBSD. I need some way to either replace the pckbd interface keyboard with one connected to a serial port, or failing that to have something that works in parallel with that keyboard. Looking at syscons.c, pcvt/* and sio.c makes me think that this won't be easy or simple to do, but that it is possible to do it with enough hacking.... Comments? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 17:58:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08464 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:58:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08454 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:58:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHIcO-0004Y6-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:35:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:35:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Warner Losh cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serial Keyboards In-Reply-To: <199803240125.SAA15299@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Warner Losh wrote: > > OK. I've been looking at ways to get a serial keyboard that I picked What is a serial keyboard? What is it for? ... > Looking at syscons.c, pcvt/* and sio.c makes me think that this won't > be easy or simple to do, but that it is possible to do it with enough > hacking.... Well, since it is serial, working with the serial console code is probably closest. > Comments? > > Warner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 18:26:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14295 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:26:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fddi.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA14273 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 5232 invoked from network); 24 Mar 1998 02:31:37 -0000 Received: from localhost.simon-shapiro.org (HELO sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) (@127.0.0.1) by localhost.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 24 Mar 1998 02:31:37 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-031798 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:31:37 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Tom Subject: Re: Serial Keyboards Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24-Mar-98 Tom wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Warner Losh wrote: > >> >> OK. I've been looking at ways to get a serial keyboard that I picked > > What is a serial keyboard? What is it for? All keyboards I have seen in the last N years are serial. Most of them are either 1200 or 9600 boaud, no parity, 8bit data, 1.5 bits start/stop. What our correspondent intends to say is RS-232C (?) keyboard. PC keyboards are TTL level only. > ... >> Looking at syscons.c, pcvt/* and sio.c makes me think that this won't >> be easy or simple to do, but that it is possible to do it with enough >> hacking.... > > Well, since it is serial, working with the serial console code is > probably closest. Except that he probably would like to have stdout and stderr (and console?) still go to the VGA board. Why would anyone want that, is a good question. A NEW PC KB is $15. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 19:08:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20518 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:08:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA20509 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:08:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yHK51-0007bn-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:08:47 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA15837; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:08:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803240308.UAA15837@harmony.village.org> To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Subject: Re: Serial Keyboards Cc: Tom , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:31:37 PST." References: Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:08:52 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Simon Shapiro writes: : What our correspondent intends to say is RS-232C (?) keyboard. PC : keyboards are TTL level only. OK. I wasn't precise enough. I have a keyboard that generates RS-232C or RS-423 level signals that I'd like to connect to a PC-like thing (most people call them laptops, mine is a Libretto 50CT) that is currently running FreeBSD. : Except that he probably would like to have stdout and stderr (and : console?) still go to the VGA board. Yup. I want to present the same interface to the kernel that the current PC keyboard interface so it would work with things like X as well (this may require a lot of translation on my part, which is cool). There is also a cool chording keyboard that I'd like to give a go at running as my system keyboard, but that one is also a RS-232 device.... : Why would anyone want that, is a good question. A NEW PC KB is $15. It is a laptop machine that doesn't have a keyboard port. I have a small, light weight serial (aka RS323) keyboard (from a newton) that I'd like to connect to its serial port. I do ahve a port replicator which has a keyboard interface, but that is too bulky and fragile to carry with me. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 19:36:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24997 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:36:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24978 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:35:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15012; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:29:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803240329.TAA15012@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Warner Losh cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, Tom , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serial Keyboards In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:08:52 MST." <199803240308.UAA15837@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:29:24 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message Simon Shapiro writes: > : What our correspondent intends to say is RS-232C (?) keyboard. PC > : keyboards are TTL level only. > > OK. I wasn't precise enough. I have a keyboard that generates > RS-232C or RS-423 level signals that I'd like to connect to a PC-like > thing (most people call them laptops, mine is a Libretto 50CT) that is > currently running FreeBSD. You should be able to use the kbdio abstraction to achieve what you want. As you mentioned, there may be some heavy hacking involved. You may find that the "dual consoles" boot option will let you talk to the bootstrap with minimal hackery. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 19:47:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26815 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:47:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fddi.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA26796 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:46:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 6554 invoked from network); 24 Mar 1998 03:52:00 -0000 Received: from localhost.simon-shapiro.org (HELO sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) (@127.0.0.1) by localhost.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 24 Mar 1998 03:52:00 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-031798 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199803240308.UAA15837@harmony.village.org> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:52:00 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: Serial Keyboards Cc: Tom , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24-Mar-98 Warner Losh wrote: .. > Yup. I want to present the same interface to the kernel that the > current PC keyboard interface so it would work with things like X as > well (this may require a lot of translation on my part, which is > cool). There is also a cool chording keyboard that I'd like to give a > go at running as my system keyboard, but that one is also a RS-232 > device.... I think modifying getty to split stdin from std{out,err} is easy. Once this is done, the rest will follow. Maybe getty already knows how to do that, or the BSD equivalent of inittab (/etc/ttys?) Console is not a problem, unless you want to re-direct the input. If you go for serial console, you will be sending the output there too. Again, the kernel may be smark enough to split the two. ... >: Why would anyone want that, is a good question. A NEW PC KB is $15. > > It is a laptop machine that doesn't have a keyboard port. I have a > small, light weight serial (aka RS323) keyboard (from a newton) that > I'd like to connect to its serial port. I do ahve a port replicator > which has a keyboard interface, but that is too bulky and fragile to > carry with me. Never underestimate the real use (when compared to design goals). This is all quite doable. Some code hacking may be needed, but you have the sources :-) ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 19:55:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28992 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:55:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28977 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:55:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20097; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:25:43 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA18221; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:25:42 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980324142542.22945@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:25:42 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, Warner Losh Cc: Tom , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serial Keyboards References: <199803240308.UAA15837@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Simon Shapiro on Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 07:52:00PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 March 1998 at 19:52:00 -0800, Simon Shapiro wrote: > > On 24-Mar-98 Warner Losh wrote: > > .. > >> Yup. I want to present the same interface to the kernel that the >> current PC keyboard interface so it would work with things like X as >> well (this may require a lot of translation on my part, which is >> cool). There is also a cool chording keyboard that I'd like to give a >> go at running as my system keyboard, but that one is also a RS-232 >> device.... > > I think modifying getty to split stdin from std{out,err} is easy. Once > this is done, the rest will follow. Maybe getty already knows how to do > that, or the BSD equivalent of inittab (/etc/ttys?) > > Console is not a problem, unless you want to re-direct the input. > If you go for serial console, you will be sending the output there too. > Again, the kernel may be smark enough to split the two. The way I see it, getty's the wrong level. This is the system console, and it should be able to handle X, for example. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 20:00:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00681 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:00:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fddi.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA00623 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:00:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 6926 invoked from network); 24 Mar 1998 04:05:50 -0000 Received: from localhost.simon-shapiro.org (HELO sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) (@127.0.0.1) by localhost.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 24 Mar 1998 04:05:50 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-031798 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980324142542.22945@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:05:50 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Serial Keyboards Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Tom , Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24-Mar-98 Greg Lehey wrote: > The way I see it, getty's the wrong level. This is the system > console, and it should be able to handle X, for example. Assumptions... On my part, probably. Unless /dev/console is used and configurable. Except for X, getty should (maybe is not) be fine, as it established stdio streams for its children. It is (was) possible in X11 to specify each resource explicitly. But I am talking from faded memory, not from cold, hard, reality. ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 22:51:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02717 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:51:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02702 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:51:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id HAA05455; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:51:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id HAA04640; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:42:41 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:42:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199803240642.HAA04640@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Organization: Private BSD site, Dresden X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E References: In-Reply-To: From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Subject: Re: Determining CDROM volume label... how? X-Original-Newsgroups: local.freebsd.hackers To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Charles Owens Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Charles Owens wrote: > Is there a command line tool for doing this? Probably not (except scsi(8)). > There are times where Windows software that's reading my CD (via Samba) > insists that I set the Samba volume label parameter to the CDROM's actual > label. It is a pain to have to stick the CD in a Windows system just to > find out what the label is... What exactly _is_ the label of a CD? Can you express this in terms of bytes from the beginning (of the session, i suppose)? E.g., do this by extracting the label in Win*, and then hd'ing /dev/rcd0a in FreeBSD. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 23 22:52:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02767 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:52:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02729 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:52:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id HAA05458 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:52:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id HAA04651; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:49:29 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:49:29 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199803240649.HAA04651@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Organization: Private BSD site, Dresden X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E References: <199803020555_MC2-352C-B90@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <199803020555_MC2-352C-B90@compuserve.com> From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Subject: Re: the Future Domain TMC-16XX X-Original-Newsgroups: local.freebsd.hackers To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce Vandiver <76350.1227@compuserve.com> wrote: >>But it may be better to ask *Joerg Wunsch* to make up his mind >>how to import that driver into -current ... Regards, STefan. Well, i never made up my mind about it, really. The architecture of all this is a mishmash that would drag into our tree a number of NetBSD low-level SCSI routines, where everything is organized ``just a little different'' from the FreeBSD low-level SCSI stuff. (In case anybody wonders, all this came from NetBSD via PAO.) >>Well I never. If anyone out there is using this driver, can we have >>some feedback? If it works and appears to be maintained, we ought to >>incorporate it... > From: Bob Bishop > > I am especially interested in the comment "If it works and appears to be > maintained, we ought to incorporate it..." From Bob Bishop. Well, it sorta worked when i tried it. It had some problems with error recovery (i've got a faulty adapter that completely hangs the kernel, as opposed to simply fail probing, and continuing to boot). The driver no longer compiled under my -current system as of about a month ago, so i had to disable it on my only machine i've got such an adaptor. Sorry, i'm out of time to maintain this driver myself right now. The guy who sent me the driver (whose name escaped me right now) would probably maintain it, but he indicated me that he doesn't have the technical skills e.g. to rewrite it enough to fit into the FreeBSD way of doing things either. Together with the advent of the CAM subsystem, i'm not sure whether it's the right time to import it (but i wouldn't mind if someone did it, *and* maintained the driver later on). Btw., there's a snapshot of it on the 2.2.5 CD-ROM, in /xperimnt. I've even provided an installation floppy there. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 00:58:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23422 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cache1.telkomsel.co.id ([202.155.14.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23402 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arman@ai3.net) Received: from mail.Telkomsel.co.id (mail.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.83.4]) by cache1.telkomsel.co.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24787 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:06:21 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from ai3.net (dumb.HQ.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.80.217]) by mail.Telkomsel.co.id (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20735 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:06:57 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <3517DA45.B2155DF7@ai3.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:07:33 +0000 From: Arman Hazairin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TCP connection hang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear All, When I do transferring file between 2 unix box, I have following tcpdump output: --- start of dump --- 15:27:41.311138 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: S 2596672001:2596672001(0) win 4096 15:27:41.311309 20.12.39.21.5577 > 68.10.3.1.1292: S 2957115446:2957115446(0) ack 2596672002 win 16384 (DF) 15:27:41.332507 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . ack 1 win 4096 15:27:41.350373 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: P 1:129(128) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:41.440059 20.12.39.21.5577 > 68.10.3.1.1292: . ack 129 win 16384 (DF) 15:27:41.525956 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 129:641(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:41.591975 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 641:1153(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:41.592106 20.12.39.21.5577 > 68.10.3.1.1292: . ack 1153 win 16384 (DF) 15:27:41.672896 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 1153:1665(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:41.740248 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 1665:2177(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:41.740389 20.12.39.21.5577 > 68.10.3.1.1292: . ack 2177 win 16384 (DF) 15:27:41.810799 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 2177:2689(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:41.840117 20.12.39.21.5577 > 68.10.3.1.1292: . ack 2689 win 16384 (DF) 15:27:41.876887 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 2689:3201(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:41.943775 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 3201:3713(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:41.943906 20.12.39.21.5577 > 68.10.3.1.1292: . ack 3713 win 16384 (DF) 15:27:42.009857 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 3713:4225(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:42.040119 20.12.39.21.5577 > 68.10.3.1.1292: . ack 4225 win 16384 (DF) 15:27:42.207945 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 4225:4737(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:42.274151 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 4737:5249(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:42.341464 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 5249:5761(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:42.408820 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 5761:6273(512) ack 1 win 4096 15:27:42.475081 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 6273:6785(512) ack 1 win 4096 --- end of dump --- after the last line, the connection just hang, waiting for io timeout, the transfer itself never finish. I have the same problem also with ftp service between the two machine. Info: 68.10.3.1 is a SCO box (SYS SYS 3.2 2 i386) 20.12.39.21 is a FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE box. is the problem in FreeBSD TCP/IP stack ? regards, -arman- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 01:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26553 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:19:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26545 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:19:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA30895; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:11:40 +0100 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA04922; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:32:11 +0100 (CET) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id KAA19261; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:18:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19980324101804.21996@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:18:04 +0100 From: Philippe Regnauld To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE+LPIP causing random lockups References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpbtux8i7x=2Efsf=40gnipahellir=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_from_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Mon=2C_Mar_23=2C_1?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?998_at_05=3A50=3A10PM_+0100?= X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav writes: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=5698 > > I have been looking into this a little, but did not really get > anywhere except a slight cleanup of the lp driver (which has been > merged into -current - or so I've been told; I don't run -current > myself, for lack of bandwidth). Since the last of these reboots cost > me the root inode on my laptop's /usr, I am somewhat disinclined to do > any more testing unless I get my hands on a second scratch machine. I had the same problem here. I say "had" put I can check again -- (I received a reminder of my PR (kern/1271) -- from June 1996!). This was between an Olivetti laptop running 2.0.5 and a 486-120 machine running 2.2-current from back then. I see if I can find the PLIP cable again, and some time to fsck^H^H^H^Hrun some tests. -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle, ("MYTHOLOGY", in Marutukku distrib) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 01:19:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26586 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.anet.cz (ns.anet.cz [194.50.6.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26578 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:19:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dali@proxima.britcoun.cz) Received: from proxima.britcoun.cz (proxima.britcoun.cz [194.108.124.2]) by ns.anet.cz (8.9.0.Beta3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26150 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:22:58 +0100 Received: from localhost (dali@localhost) by proxima.britcoun.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03640 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:16:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:16:01 +0100 (CET) From: Dalibor Sramek To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Free-BSD threads & IO Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. I'd like to learn Posix threads programming and I want to use Free-BSD system for my experiments. According to 'man pthreads' I compiled libc_r. Then I started with several multithreaded examples from Unix Net Programming (by R.W. Stevens). Soon I realized that compiled examples did not work as I'd expected. The problem is that for example 'accept' call does not block and return immediately. I tested the same examples on Linux system and they worked fine. Although I spent much time searching for information about threads and IO blocking I found it neither in my books or on Internet. So - is there any explanation for this problem and is thread support OK in Free-BSD? I still use 2.2.1 installation. Thanks Dalibor Sramek The British Council, Prague Czech Republic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 01:38:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29104 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:38:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA29085 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:37:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id UAA24326; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:41:45 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199803240941.UAA24326@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Free-BSD threads & IO In-Reply-To: from Dalibor Sramek at "Mar 24, 98 10:16:01 am" To: dali@proxima.britcoun.cz (Dalibor Sramek) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:41:45 +1100 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dalibor Sramek wrote: > So - is there any explanation for this problem and is thread support OK in > Free-BSD? I still use 2.2.1 installation. Did you compile with -D_THREAD_SAFE and link with -lc_r? I suggest you at least use -stable (or 2.2.6 that'll be out soon). -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 02:44:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07985 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:44:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.anet.cz (ns.anet.cz [194.50.6.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07919 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:43:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dali@proxima.britcoun.cz) Received: from proxima.britcoun.cz (proxima.britcoun.cz [194.108.124.2]) by ns.anet.cz (8.9.0.Beta3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04689; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:47:27 +0100 Received: from localhost (dali@localhost) by proxima.britcoun.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04317; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:40:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:40:22 +0100 (CET) From: Dalibor Sramek To: John Birrell cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free-BSD threads & IO In-Reply-To: <199803240941.UAA24326@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, John Birrell wrote: > Did you compile with -D_THREAD_SAFE and link with -lc_r? I linked the library but I did not used the -D_THREAD_SAFE option. Is this option system specific? (I used makefile provided with the examples). Anyway I will try it. Dalibor Sramek The British Council, Prague Czech Republic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 03:24:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12410 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 03:24:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA12403 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 03:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.65/AndrewR-930902) id AA28223; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:53:23 +0930 Received: by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA24271; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:54:22 +0930 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:54:22 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Help in diagnosing hardware failure Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1593445519-890742262=:10888" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1593445519-890742262=:10888 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A few weeks ago I removed my hard drives to mount them in another machine and copy across the data - upon reinstalling them, some part of my system seems to have become trashed. I've made sure the drive connectors are seated properly, etc, but it has not helped: Any kind of heavy disk activity under FreeBSD (-CURRENT as of 28/2) causes either a panic, or a dead freeze. For example, attempting a make world will trigger this within a few seconds (<20), running X usually freezes within 10-15 minutes (probably because of the higher demands on system resources), etc. However, as long as I keep the load down, things are fine (as I speak my machine has been up for the past 7 days running console-based stuff). Booting into win95 since the problems started occurring has never got past the splash screen before hanging, and similarly booting to an MSDOS floppy to try and run norton diagnostics causes hangs within a minute or two of trying. The fact that my machine is still quite functional under freebsd is very nice and means I can still do pretty much everything I need to until I can get the time and money to have it repaired :-) Almost universally after a hang/panic in FreeBSD, when I reboot I get 'Error: C:3357 > 1024 (BIOS Limit)' or words to that effect (interestingly, it always seems to be the same two cylinder numbers that are reported). Powering down for a few minutes and trying again eventually lets me boot up completely. This particular symptom leads me to suspect the IDE controller (dmesg output attached). This is a typical panic message/traceback when it panics (not that I expect this to tell great volumes, but you never know :-) (oh yeah, and I often get signal 11's interspersed with the panics and hangs when trying to compile a new kernel, for example). Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x4 fault code = supervisor write, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf01af652 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf3a05e58 frame pointer = 0x10:0xf3a05e78 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL0, pres1, def32 1, gran1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL=0 current process = 692 (cpp) interrupt mask = net tty bio cam kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 stopped at _pmap_enter+0x2f2: movl %ebx,0x4(%ecx) db> trace _pmap_enter(f396ec20,96000,b5c000,7,0) at _pmap_enter+0x2f2 _vm_fault(f396ebc0,96000,3,8,f396aa80) at _vm_fault+0xcd4 _trap_pfault(f3a05fac,1) at _trap_pfault+0x10b _trap(27,27,96000,72000,efbfd6e8) at _trap+0x19b calltrap() at calltrap+0x15 --- trap 0xc, eip=0x200872e2, esp=0xefbfd6c4, ebp=0xefbfd6e8 --- If anyone can throw some light onto the probable cause of this problem it would be most appreciated :-) Kris WOWBO /\ . Through the darkness of future past, /\ . 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Seger" To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199803240649.HAA04651@uriah.heep.sax.de> (j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Subject: Re: the Future Domain TMC-16XX References: <199803020555_MC2-352C-B90@compuserve.com> <199803240649.HAA04651@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, it sorta worked when i tried it. It had some problems with error recovery (i've got a faulty adapter that completely hangs the kernel, as opposed to simply fail probing, and continuing to boot). Currently I'm using this driver as my primary HD controller in a freebsd-current system. I do have occasional system crashes that MAY be related to the driver, however I am not sure. The driver no longer compiled under my -current system as of about a month ago, so i had to disable it on my only machine i've got such an adaptor. Sorry, i'm out of time to maintain this driver myself right now. I have a version that DOES compile under -current. If given permission, I'd be happy to import that driver and do any maintenance that was required, however I have no device driver programming experience. The guy who sent me the driver (whose name escaped me right now) would probably maintain it, but he indicated me that he doesn't have the technical skills e.g. to rewrite it enough to fit into the FreeBSD way of doing things either. Together with the advent of the CAM subsystem, i'm not sure whether it's the right time to import it (but i wouldn't mind if someone did it, *and* maintained the driver later on). If you want me to import it, I'd be happy to. I'd also be happy to test and commit any patches or anything that were sent my way, however it's unlikely that I would have much success in fixing bugs myself. TTYL, -Justin Seger- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 07:13:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08878 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:13:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08853 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:13:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA03360; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:12:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:12:56 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: Arman Hazairin cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-Reply-To: <3517DA45.B2155DF7@ai3.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Your SCO box doesn't seem to be sending a FIN packet to terminate the connection. The problem is probably in the application software on the SCO side. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 07:57:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13150 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:57:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soccer.inetspace.com (soccer.inetspace.com [206.50.163.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13144 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:57:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kgor@soccer.inetspace.com) Received: (from kgor@localhost) by soccer.inetspace.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA24709; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:57:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kgor) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:57:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803241557.JAA24709@soccer.inetspace.com> From: "Kent S. Gordon" To: eivind@yes.no CC: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19980320221931.51710@follo.net> (message from Eivind Eklund on Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:19:31 +0100) Subject: Re: How do you increase available SYSV shared memory? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "eivind" == Eivind Eklund writes: > On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 12:32:19PM -0800, Simon Shapiro wrote: >> On 18-Mar-98 Kent S. Gordon wrote: > >>>>>> "shimon" == Simon >> Shapiro writes: > I have been >> thinking of changing Postgres to use mmapped files instead > of >> SYSV shared memory. I think this should allow for larger >> postgres >> >> This will be a disaster. It assumes that PostgreSQL uses files >> for data storage. While this is the default mode, it is NOT >> the only storage meanager. In PostgreSQL, like most true >> RDBMS, the storage of data is decoupled from the logic of the >> relational model, etc. I am building a storage manager that >> uses a totally different (distributed) storage model than Unix >> files. A memory based storage manager already exists in >> PostgreSQL. Please do not break these. I am not going to change any of the storage manager code. > I don't think you're quite getting him (or I'm not getting you > at all). mmap()ing /dev/zero is a common way of getting hold of > shared memory, instead of using the SYSV SHMEM extension. > mmap'ing usually works better. I probably will not be using /dev/zero, but yes I am just replacing one method of getting shared memory with another way. It looks like it will only impact less than 50 lines of postgres code. > This is just replacing one technique for getting hold of shared > memory with another; it does nothing to the storage manager. > Eivind. -- Kent S. Gordon Architect iNetSpace Co. voice: (972)851-3494 fax:(972)702-0384 e-mail:kgor@inetspace.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 08:09:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15072 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:09:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stennis.ca.sandia.gov (stennis.ca.sandia.gov [146.246.243.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15066 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:09:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@stennis.ca.sandia.gov) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by stennis.ca.sandia.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08661; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:09:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803241609.IAA08661@stennis.ca.sandia.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Snob Art Genre Cc: Arman Hazairin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:12:56 EST." From: bmah@CA.Sandia.GOV (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@CA.Sandia.GOV X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Url: http://www.ca.sandia.gov/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1451592674P"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:09:02 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_1451592674P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Snob Art Genre wrote: > Your SCO box doesn't seem to be sending a FIN packet to terminate the > connection. The problem is probably in the application software on the > SCO side. I'm wondering if there isn't something else at work here. Note that at the end of the trace, the SCO box sent five segments without getting any acknowledgement back from the FreeBSD machine, yet the FreeBSD machine was sending back ACK segments mostly normally before. Arman Hazairin wrote: > 15:27:42.040119 20.12.39.21.5577 > 68.10.3.1.1292: . ack 4225 win 16384 > (DF) > 15:27:42.207945 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 4225:4737(512) ack > 1 win 4096 > 15:27:42.274151 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 4737:5249(512) ack > 1 win 4096 > 15:27:42.341464 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 5249:5761(512) ack > 1 win 4096 > 15:27:42.408820 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 5761:6273(512) ack > 1 win 4096 > 15:27:42.475081 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 6273:6785(512) ack > 1 win 4096 It *almost* looks to me like the FreeBSD host just stopped sending ACKs for some reason, while the SCO box was several packets (window size 5 segments, 512-byte MSS) into slow-start. Is it possible that the application on the FreeBSD box somehow isn't reading the data out of its socket buffers? Bruce. --==_Exmh_1451592674P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNRfanajOOi0j7CY9AQFi2AP+J2ks0GrJmK1HpTfunv3ODV7slXUK582l YDOqv70+Blvnc/WzPyH4u/cw4nxQiOxr0+imsgs6QDV8ONj0PjnFuCsWvSMR1qUp b9nsOZAgkIbEIfMXNiz9r24PilfYZGAezfg0b8HJ5SOiAzRUqAB+JIssMt92wYR7 ewFYAH1u0cw= =Hh3c -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --==_Exmh_1451592674P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 09:19:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24164 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:19:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA24137 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:19:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHWzP-000558-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:55:51 -0800 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:55:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Dalibor Sramek cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free-BSD threads & IO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Dalibor Sramek wrote: > So - is there any explanation for this problem and is thread support OK in > Free-BSD? I still use 2.2.1 installation. There are many bugs in libc_r in 2.2.1. Most were fixed in 2.2.6, but signal/alarm handling seems a little funny. > Thanks > > Dalibor Sramek > The British Council, Prague Czech Republic Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 09:51:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29530 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:51:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uk.ns.eu.org ([194.117.157.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA29429 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:51:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aledm@uk.ns.eu.org) Received: (from aledm@localhost) by uk.ns.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09663; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:58:03 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:58:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Aled Morris X-Sender: aledm@uk.ns.eu.org To: Niall Smart cc: John Polstra , lem@cantv.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP kernel on Compaq anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Niall Smart wrote: > On Mar 18, 9:06am, John Polstra wrote: > > I don't know the answer to your question, but I would be surprised if > > SMP FreeBSD ran on Compaq machines. Compaq, like the neighborhood > > dog, is incapable of walking past a bush without pissing on it. > > I was using FreeBSD on an HP E40 for development last summer and it worked > fine. I think they make multiprocessor versions of these machines, > I have no experience of them but they might be worth a look. I have just loaded 3.0-SNAP on a dual PII-266 IBM PC Server 325 and it seems to run just fine. I would recommend the IBM hardware wholehartedly. We have quite a few of the 325's now - all in the "rack drawer" (i.e. 19" rack mount) configuration. They aren't too expensive either, < US$3K for single PII-266 w/64MB RAM (diskless but includes Adaptec wide SCSI and a SCSI CD-ROM) with a slot for the second CPU and VRM. Aled -- tel +44 973 207987 O- aledm@routers.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 09:58:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01038 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:58:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fddi.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01031 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:58:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 11117 invoked from network); 24 Mar 1998 18:02:59 -0000 Received: from localhost.simon-shapiro.org (HELO sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) (@127.0.0.1) by localhost.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 24 Mar 1998 18:02:59 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-032398 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199803241557.JAA24709@soccer.inetspace.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:02:59 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: "Kent S. Gordon" Subject: Re: How do you increase available SYSV shared memory? Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, eivind@yes.no Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24-Mar-98 Kent S. Gordon wrote: ... > I am not going to change any of the storage manager code. Thank you. It is my fault in a way, not broadcasting my intention to write a new storage manager, so others know to consider/respect that. ... > I probably will not be using /dev/zero, but yes I am just replacing > one method of getting shared memory with another way. It looks like > it will only impact less than 50 lines of postgres code. The number of lines is not important. The nature of these lines is :-) Thanx! Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 10:02:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01772 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:02:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cache1.telkomsel.co.id ([202.155.14.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01753 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arman@ai3.net) Received: from mail.Telkomsel.co.id (mail.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.83.4]) by cache1.telkomsel.co.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA26971; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:09:49 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from ai3.net (dumb.HQ.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.80.217]) by mail.Telkomsel.co.id (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA27618; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:10:29 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <351859A9.B0D0F9A1@ai3.net> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:11:05 +0000 From: Arman Hazairin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bmah@CA.Sandia.GOV CC: Snob Art Genre , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang References: <199803241609.IAA08661@stennis.ca.sandia.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > If memory serves me right, Snob Art Genre wrote: > > Your SCO box doesn't seem to be sending a FIN packet to terminate the > > connection. The problem is probably in the application software on the > > SCO side. > > I'm wondering if there isn't something else at work here. Note that at the > end of the trace, the SCO box sent five segments without getting any > acknowledgement back from the FreeBSD machine, yet the FreeBSD machine was > sending back ACK segments mostly normally before. The SCO box never sent any FIN packet because it never finish the transfer. That two boxes just kept silent, SCO waiting for ACK it never received (the last 5 packets in tcpdump output below), the FreeBSD box just kept silent after sending ack for seq. 4225. After all the sequence below, the connection is hang forever until timeout occur. > > Arman Hazairin wrote: > > 15:27:42.040119 20.12.39.21.5577 > 68.10.3.1.1292: . ack 4225 win 16384 > > (DF) > > 15:27:42.207945 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 4225:4737(512) ack > > 1 win 4096 > > 15:27:42.274151 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 4737:5249(512) ack > > 1 win 4096 > > 15:27:42.341464 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 5249:5761(512) ack > > 1 win 4096 > > 15:27:42.408820 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 5761:6273(512) ack > > 1 win 4096 > > 15:27:42.475081 68.10.3.1.1292 > 20.12.39.21.5577: . 6273:6785(512) ack > > 1 win 4096 > > It *almost* looks to me like the FreeBSD host just stopped sending ACKs for > some reason, while the SCO box was several packets (window size 5 segments, > 512-byte MSS) into slow-start. Is it possible that the application on the > FreeBSD box somehow isn't reading the data out of its socket buffers? > > Bruce. If you look into the last ack, it's about 4K of data being transferred. It is almost the same in ftp application, if i do that in that two box, vice versa. I've tried to turn off rfc1323 and rfc1644 option, still doesn't work. Any hint ? -arman- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 10:32:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07536 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:32:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news.uni-kl.de (news.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07525 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:32:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mheller@student.uni-kl.de) Received: from alma.student.uni-kl.de by news.news.uni-kl.de id aa07302; 24 Mar 98 19:32 MET Received: from mater.student.uni-kl.de(really [131.246.90.23]) by alma.student.uni-kl.de via smtpd with smtp id for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:32:08 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.95 1997-May-7 #5 built 1997-May-16) Received: from localhost by mater.student.uni-kl.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0yHYUa-0001dEC; Tue, 24 Mar 98 19:32 CET Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:32:08 +0100 (CET) From: Martin Heller To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FYI: PDP-11 UNIX Src Licenses Available Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:08:18 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey To: mheller@acm.org Subject: PDP-11 UNIX Src Licenses Available Hello, you are receiving this mail for one of the following reasons: + you signed a petition urging SCO to make source licenses for PDP-11 UNIX available + your filled in a survey detailing what you wanted in such a source license + you are a member of the PUPS mailing list I am glad to announce that, as a result of the petition, SCO have made source licenses available for most versions of PDP-11 UNIX. The essential details of the license are: Covers research Editions 1 to 7, and 32V. Covers derived versions of UNIX which ran on PDP-11s. Specifically excludes System V onwards. Full source code, binaries and documentation. Personal, non-commercial use. Exchange of sources and modifications to other licensees. Non-disclosure to unlicensed people. The cost is US$100. Details on how to obtain the license are available at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/getlicense.html SCO will not ship any media with this license. The PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society has a number of volunteers who are prepared to cut CD-ROMs and tapes in order to distribute the PUPS Archive of old Unix software to licensed people. Details about this archive are available at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/pupsfaq.html We would like a few more licensed people to volunteer to create CD-ROMs and tapes, to take the load off the existing volunteers. Finally, none of this would have been possible without the immense support which we received from Dion Johnson within SCO. He battled with the legal eagles over a period of 18 months or so to make the license available. If you can, please send Dion a thank you card at the address The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. 400 Encinal Street Santa Cruz, CA 95061-1900 United States of America Attention: Dion Johnson This will be a surprise for him, but I'm sure he will appreciate your thanks. In turn, I would like to thank you all for your support. Without the signatures on the petition, none of this would have been possible. Warren Toomey wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 10:41:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09861 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:41:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09854 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:41:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA27029; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:36:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:36:20 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: Arman Hazairin cc: bmah@CA.Sandia.GOV, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-Reply-To: <351859A9.B0D0F9A1@ai3.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Arman Hazairin wrote: > The SCO box never sent any FIN packet because it never finish the > transfer. > That two boxes just kept silent, SCO waiting for ACK it never received > (the last 5 packets in tcpdump output below), the FreeBSD box just kept > silent after sending ack for seq. 4225. After all the sequence below, > the connection is hang forever until timeout occur. You're clearly correct. I must increase my dose of coffee. Perhaps the undocumented kernel config option TCP_DEBUG might be of use to you. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 10:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11627 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stennis.ca.sandia.gov (stennis.ca.sandia.gov [146.246.243.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11619 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:55:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@stennis.ca.sandia.gov) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by stennis.ca.sandia.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09740; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:55:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803241855.KAA09740@stennis.ca.sandia.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Arman Hazairin Cc: bmah@california.sandia.gov, Snob Art Genre , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:11:05 GMT." <351859A9.B0D0F9A1@ai3.net> From: bmah@CA.Sandia.GOV (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@CA.Sandia.GOV X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Url: http://www.ca.sandia.gov/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1659358018P"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:55:10 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_1659358018P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Arman Hazairin wrote: > If you look into the last ack, it's about 4K of data being transferred. Yes. What's also kind of interesting is the inital 128-byte segment that gets sent...I wouldn't have expected this from a bulk transfer application. > It > is almost the same in ftp application, What's the application under test? If FTP behaves similarly it might not matter lots, I guess. (I was thinking that if the receiver wasn't actually reading the data, it could cause this, but then we'd see different window size advertisements from receiver to sender.) > if i do that in that two box, > vice versa. > I've tried to turn off rfc1323 and rfc1644 option, still doesn't work. > Any hint ? Ummm. Let me ask this one more time....what's the network path like between your two machines? I assume at this point the SCO box is trying to shove a huge file over the FreeBSD machine, right? What happens if you try to go the opposite direction? (Is that what you meant by "vice versa" above?) Also, where is your tcpdump trace being taken? Is it on one of the two endhosts or at some point in the middle? Do you regularly do other types of communication over this path (e.g. HTTP, telnet, anything?)? If so, how do they fare? Bruce. --==_Exmh_1659358018P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNRgBjqjOOi0j7CY9AQGe6gQAiXz5pcecVpoLoqQ1R1axkvi+vPdP8Mbn yL/3+8xdSurKzNkxC0SV3Xl/EqmfVnVFn/G3BjNeYtIwx9ItFbgB2r98ZqdoTYRl RjcpE9ZLd4iovu0wGeSn1TOBmbXH5k+ztD4vfBWOw5qo1J645jOzgZcmgvBtjJzr pkT4sdshKPM= =cg/q -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --==_Exmh_1659358018P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 11:13:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15645 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:13:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.netcetera.dk (root@sleipner.netcetera.dk [194.192.207.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15639 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@Image.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.netcetera.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id UAA29315 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:12:00 +0100 Received: by swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk (0.99.970109) id AA04424; 24 Mar 98 19:30:10 +0100 From: leifn@Image.dk (Leif Neland) Date: 24 Mar 98 17:25:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Serial Keyboards Message-ID: <87d_9803241930@swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk> References: <199803240308.UAA15837@harmony.village.org> Organization: Fidonet: Swimsuit Safari. Go for it. To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 24 Mar 98 04:08:52 Warner Losh (2:234/49.99) wrote to All regarding Re: Serial Keyboards in area "freebsd-hacker" WL> OK. I wasn't precise enough. I have a keyboard that generates WL> RS-232C or RS-423 level signals that I'd like to connect to a WL> PC-like thing (most people call them laptops, mine is a Libretto WL> 50CT) that is currently running FreeBSD. An idea, I don't know if it is possible: Use the serial console, then set the vga-console to snoop on the serial. Leif Neland leifn@image.dk --- |Fidonet: Leif Neland 2:234/49 |Internet: leifn@image.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 11:28:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18035 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:28:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cache1.telkomsel.co.id ([202.155.14.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17938 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:28:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arman@ai3.net) Received: from mail.Telkomsel.co.id (mail.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.83.4]) by cache1.telkomsel.co.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27350; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:36:09 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from ai3.net (dumb.HQ.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.80.217]) by mail.Telkomsel.co.id (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA28141; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:36:50 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <35186DE6.1191F103@ai3.net> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:37:26 +0000 From: Arman Hazairin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, bmah@california.sandia.gov Subject: Re: TCP connection hang References: <199803241855.KAA09740@stennis.ca.sandia.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Arman Hazairin wrote: > > > If you look into the last ack, it's about 4K of data being transferred. > > Yes. What's also kind of interesting is the inital 128-byte segment that gets > sent...I wouldn't have expected this from a bulk transfer application. You are absolutely right, the file size is about 1.4MB. Created from floppy disk image over 'dd' command. > > It is almost the same in ftp application, > > What's the application under test? If FTP behaves similarly it might not > matter lots, I guess. (I was thinking that if the receiver wasn't actually > reading the data, it could cause this, but then we'd see different window size > advertisements from receiver to sender.) First I tried using ftp, then try to make trace over the data that transferred over the link by using small program that doing binary file transfer over the link. > > if i do that in that two box, vice versa. > > I've tried to turn off rfc1323 and rfc1644 option, still doesn't work. > > Any hint ? > > Ummm. Let me ask this one more time....what's the network path like between > your two machines? Those two machines are connected by 64kbps leasedline, using Cisco router in between. The encapsulation is Cisco HDLC, using ip header compression option. > I assume at this point the SCO box is trying to shove a huge file over the > FreeBSD machine, right? What happens if you try to go the opposite direction? > (Is that what you meant by "vice versa" above?) If you say that 1.4MB is huge, i hope that is not the case, because we need to transfer that kind of size (or even more) between the two boxes. I've tried both direction. FYI, using binary mode for transferring file through ftp, 1 postscript/text file can went through (size: 1.8MB), but, if i try to pick binary file, that problem appear again (i've tried 600K binary file). I tried to split the original file into pieces (using split(1)), and start transferring 1st sequence, it can't went through transferring the file. > Also, where is your tcpdump trace being taken? Is it on one of the two > endhosts or at some point in the middle? the tcpdump is being taken from FreeBSD box. > Do you regularly do other types of communication over this path (e.g. HTTP, > telnet, anything?)? If so, how do they fare? As in the previous e-mail, telnet connection went fine over the link. Also, transferring text file (using binary/ascii mode) over ftp connection also fine. > > Bruce. regards, -arman- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 13:00:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29566 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:00:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29561 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:00:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25910; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:54:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803242054.MAA25910@implode.root.com> To: Arman Hazairin cc: bmah@CA.Sandia.GOV, Snob Art Genre , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:11:05 GMT." <351859A9.B0D0F9A1@ai3.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:54:34 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >The SCO box never sent any FIN packet because it never finish the >transfer. >That two boxes just kept silent, SCO waiting for ACK it never received >(the last 5 packets in tcpdump output below), the FreeBSD box just kept >silent after sending ack for seq. 4225. After all the sequence below, >the connection is hang forever until timeout occur. Does either side attempt retransmission? At the very least, the SCO machine should continue to retransmit the segments until it gets an ACK. Also, on which side is this tcpdump taken - closest to the SCO or closest to the FreeBSD? -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 13:07:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01020 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:07:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wanadoo.fr (root@smtp-2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01010 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:07:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thuall@wanadoo.fr) Received: from tamaya.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.31] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:06:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from ren3-209.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.153.209] by tamaya.wanadoo.fr for Paris Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:09:03 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199803242109.WAA15179@tamaya.wanadoo.fr> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 22:09:03 0100 From: thuall MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pb using RAWIP socket with IP_HDRINCL option Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I am trying to use under FreeBSD 2.2.2 the RAW IP socket interface with IP_HDRINCL option. The aim of this exercise is to manage at the user level the fragmentation of an ICMP packet. My Ethernet interface has it's MTU set to 1500 bytes. 1/ What I want to do is the following : * build an ICMP packet which length is 1000 bytes. * send the first half of the payload (488 bytes) in a first IP packet (with the full IP header constructed with MF bit set, with a self allocated ID for the IP packet, etc .....). * send the second half of the payload (512 bytes), in a second packet (with the full IP header constructed with Offset field set to 61 (488/8), with the same allocated ID for the IP packet, etc...)... 2/ What I see is the following : * The first IP packet sent has not the MF bit set, and the Total Length of this packet is '1020 bytes' !!. * The second paquet is like it was supposed to be. And if : * If I wait some times (1 sec) between the emission of the 2 IP packets, the first (MF set, ...) and the second packet are like they were supposed to be. * If I change the IP ID for the second paquet : the first paquet has it's MF set, and the both packets are like they were supposed to be (unfortunately their IP ident are differents for the reassembling). Any help would be appreciated to understand this behavior, to find a solution to my pb. Sincerely Lionel Thuall@wanadoo.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 14:02:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06955 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cache1.telkomsel.co.id ([202.155.14.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06933 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:02:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arman@ai3.net) Received: from mail.Telkomsel.co.id (mail.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.83.4]) by cache1.telkomsel.co.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA27786; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:09:41 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from ai3.net (dumb.HQ.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.80.217]) by mail.Telkomsel.co.id (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA28848; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:10:17 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <351891DD.7631D28@ai3.net> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:10:53 +0000 From: Arman Hazairin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dg@root.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang References: <199803242054.MAA25910@implode.root.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Greenman wrote: > > >The SCO box never sent any FIN packet because it never finish the > >transfer. > >That two boxes just kept silent, SCO waiting for ACK it never received > >(the last 5 packets in tcpdump output below), the FreeBSD box just kept > >silent after sending ack for seq. 4225. After all the sequence below, > >the connection is hang forever until timeout occur. > > Does either side attempt retransmission? At the very least, the SCO machine > should continue to retransmit the segments until it gets an ACK. Also, on > which side is this tcpdump taken - closest to the SCO or closest to the > FreeBSD? > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project The machines are: 68.10.3.1 ---> SCO 3.2.2, acting as ftp server. 20.12.39.21 --> FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE, acting as ftp client, tcpdump was taken here. If you look into full trace of ftp session below, there are no retransmission attempt from either side. -arman- -----> more info transcript of ftp session follows: ftp> dir 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls (0 bytes). total 3054 -rw------- 1 guest group 775 Mar 20 14:39 .kshrc -r-------- 1 guest auth 0 Mar 25 01:13 .lastlogin -rw------- 1 guest group 1455 Mar 20 14:39 .profile -rw------- 1 guest group 18 Mar 24 16:41 .rhosts -rw------- 1 guest group 2876 Mar 25 01:59 .sh_history -rwxr-xr-x 1 guest group 73003 Mar 23 21:18 asem -rwxrwxrwx 1 guest other 1474560 Mar 24 10:36 kermitdsk.dd # 226 Transfer complete. ftp> get kermitdsk.dd local: kermitdsk.dd remote: kermitdsk.dd 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for kermitdsk.dd (1474560 bytes). #### ftp: netin: Connection reset by peer 426 Data connection: Connection timed out. ftp> ---> start of tcpdump output for ftp-data 04:26:59.687805 20.12.39.21.2185 > 68.10.3.1.ftp: P 3297487385:3297487393(8) ack 5969855 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x10] 04:26:59.705190 68.10.3.1.ftp > 20.12.39.21.2185: P 1:21(20) ack 8 win 4096 [tos 0x10] 04:26:59.705635 20.12.39.21.2185 > 68.10.3.1.ftp: P 8:34(26) ack 21 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x10] 04:26:59.726661 68.10.3.1.ftp > 20.12.39.21.2185: P 21:51(30) ack 34 win 4096 [tos 0x10] 04:26:59.727118 20.12.39.21.2185 > 68.10.3.1.ftp: P 34:53(19) ack 51 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x10] 04:26:59.755820 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: S 11537409:11537409(0) win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:26:59.755971 20.12.39.21.40058 > 68.10.3.1.ftp-data: S 3305878336:3305878336(0) ack 11537410 win 16384 (DF) 04:26:59.777546 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:26:59.788973 68.10.3.1.ftp > 20.12.39.21.2185: P 51:126(75) ack 53 win 4096 [tos 0x10] 04:26:59.840074 20.12.39.21.2185 > 68.10.3.1.ftp: . ack 126 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x10] 04:26:59.856296 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 1:513(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.040076 20.12.39.21.40058 > 68.10.3.1.ftp-data: . ack 513 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.123678 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 513:1025(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.189797 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 1025:1537(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.189934 20.12.39.21.40058 > 68.10.3.1.ftp-data: . ack 1537 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.271174 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 1537:2049(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.338440 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 2049:2561(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.338574 20.12.39.21.40058 > 68.10.3.1.ftp-data: . ack 2561 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.404674 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 2561:3073(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.440069 20.12.39.21.40058 > 68.10.3.1.ftp-data: . ack 3073 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.471644 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 3073:3585(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.537701 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 3585:4097(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.537835 20.12.39.21.40058 > 68.10.3.1.ftp-data: . ack 4097 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.603982 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 4097:4609(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.640063 20.12.39.21.40058 > 68.10.3.1.ftp-data: . ack 4609 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.801730 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 4609:5121(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.868930 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 5121:5633(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:00.936216 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 5633:6145(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:01.002594 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 6145:6657(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:27:01.069431 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: . 6657:7169(512) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] ---> connection start hanging here 04:36:02.647386 68.10.3.1.ftp-data > 20.12.39.21.40058: R 5121:5121(0) ack 1 win 4096 [tos 0x8] 04:36:02.655971 68.10.3.1.ftp > 20.12.39.21.2185: P 126:170(44) ack 53 win 4096 [tos 0x10] 04:36:02.840061 20.12.39.21.2185 > 68.10.3.1.ftp: . ack 170 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x10] ---> connection reset by remote peer (ftp-data) 04:38:27.652472 20.12.39.21.2185 > 68.10.3.1.ftp: P 53:59(6) ack 170 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x10] 04:38:27.669028 68.10.3.1.ftp > 20.12.39.21.2185: P 170:184(14) ack 59 win 4096 [tos 0x10] 04:38:27.669497 20.12.39.21.2185 > 68.10.3.1.ftp: F 59:59(0) ack 184 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x10] 04:38:27.676225 68.10.3.1.ftp > 20.12.39.21.2185: F 184:184(0) ack 59 win 4096 [tos 0x10] 04:38:27.676353 20.12.39.21.2185 > 68.10.3.1.ftp: F 59:59(0) ack 185 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x10] 04:38:27.688231 68.10.3.1.ftp > 20.12.39.21.2185: F 184:184(0) ack 60 win 4096 [tos 0x10] 04:38:27.688324 20.12.39.21.2185 > 68.10.3.1.ftp: . ack 185 win 16384 (DF) [tos 0x10] 04:38:27.692666 68.10.3.1.ftp > 20.12.39.21.2185: . ack 60 win 4096 [tos 0x10] ---> ftp connection closed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 14:05:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07975 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:05:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f61.hotmail.com [207.82.250.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07957 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:05:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from v_pr@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 14325 invoked by uid 0); 24 Mar 1998 22:04:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19980324220447.14324.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.125.90.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:04:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.125.90.2] From: "pratap singh" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ARP REQUEST question Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:04:47 PST Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all gurus of Networking, I have a basic doubt. Every layer has a cehcksum being calculated whereas the ARP frame does not have. Can anyone throw light on this please. Is it because the ARP packets donot traverse the LAN boundary and error rates in LAN environment are very low compared to the WAN error rates???? Regards, prats ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 14:26:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10520 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:26:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10490 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:25:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA02620 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:16 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-Reply-To: <19980324220447.14324.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, pratap singh wrote: > Hi all gurus of Networking, > I have a basic doubt. Every layer has a cehcksum being calculated > whereas the ARP frame does not have. Can anyone throw light on this > please. Is it because the ARP packets donot traverse the LAN boundary > and error rates in LAN environment are very low compared to the WAN > error rates???? Probably. Also, let's say an ARP frame does get corrupted. Where do you report the error? Better just to wait for the request to get retransmitted, which it will. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 14:32:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11809 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11780 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:32:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27230; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:25:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803242225.OAA27230@implode.root.com> To: "pratap singh" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:04:47 PST." <19980324220447.14324.qmail@hotmail.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:25:08 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Hi all gurus of Networking, >I have a basic doubt. Every layer has a cehcksum being calculated >whereas the ARP frame does not have. Can anyone throw light on this >please. Is it because the ARP packets donot traverse the LAN boundary >and error rates in LAN environment are very low compared to the WAN >error rates???? All ethernet packets have a 32bit CRC, so the arps are protected by that. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 14:41:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12923 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:41:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12895 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:41:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27379; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:35:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803242235.OAA27379@implode.root.com> To: Arman Hazairin cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:10:53 GMT." <351891DD.7631D28@ai3.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:35:20 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >If you look into full trace of ftp session below, there are no >retransmission attempt from either side. Very strange; I can't explain this behavior. Is it possible for you to get a tcpdump on the other side as well? It might be interesting to see if there is any difference with what the SCO machine sees. What type of ethernet card is in the FreeBSD machine? -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 15:17:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16668 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:17:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay1.kar.net (relay1.kar.net [195.5.17.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16552 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:16:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kushn@mail.kar.net) Received: from olinet.isf.kiev.ua by relay1.kar.net with ESMTP id BAA01506; (8.8.last/vAk3/1.9) Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:14:31 +0200 (EET) Received: from kushnir.kiev.ua by olinet.isf.kiev.ua with SMTP id BAA02636; (8.8.last/vAk3/1.9) Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:06:10 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:11:01 +0200 (EET) From: Vladimir Kushnir X-Sender: volodya@kushnir.kiev.ua Reply-To: Vladimir Kushnir To: Eivind Eklund cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS awareness for VoxWare? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for a delay with an answer (misspelling in customized From: in pine - and everything was quietly rejected <:-(). On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > It is usually better to submit patches through send-pr, in case nobody > take care of it immediately. However, we're not picky - anybody > sending in enhancements deserve praise, not flames. Thank you, I will try to do it the right way next time (hardly soon with my programming skills, though - a pity). > > Can you test if the following patch work for you? This should cover > all cases (except trixmidi, which for some reason is removed from the > driver list, and which I thus can't test for.) > > > If this works, I'll commit it. (I've done a few style changes, which > you probably notice.) Thanks a lot. Everything works all right: I've tried it under both old mount scheme and with devfs mounted /dev (well, I did that before as well, of course). I should have thought, though, that in this last case there's no /dev/dsp, /dev/mixer and so on (there are /dev/dsp0,..), while most apps expect them to be. My fault. > > Eivind. > Regards, Vladimir To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 16:41:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29387 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:41:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29376 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHdRc-0005KS-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:49:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:49:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Snob Art Genre cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Snob Art Genre wrote: > On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, pratap singh wrote: > > > Hi all gurus of Networking, > > I have a basic doubt. Every layer has a cehcksum being calculated > > whereas the ARP frame does not have. Can anyone throw light on this > > please. Is it because the ARP packets donot traverse the LAN boundary > > and error rates in LAN environment are very low compared to the WAN > > error rates???? > > Probably. Also, let's say an ARP frame does get corrupted. Where do Ahh.. no. An error check is critical for ARP, as you will be using this information to locate a particular system. Thankfully, ethernet framing provides an error-check. > you report the error? Better just to wait for the request to get > retransmitted, which it will. Huh? Why would it get retransmitted? Some devices cache ARP entries for 2 hours, before making another request. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 17:21:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03676 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:21:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03639 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:21:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12126; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:20:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd012043; Tue Mar 24 18:20:46 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA15818; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:20:44 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803250120.SAA15818@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Free-BSD threads & IO To: dali@proxima.britcoun.cz (Dalibor Sramek) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:20:44 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dalibor Sramek" at Mar 24, 98 11:40:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Did you compile with -D_THREAD_SAFE and link with -lc_r? > > I linked the library but I did not used the -D_THREAD_SAFE option. Is this > option system specific? (I used makefile provided with the examples). > Anyway I will try it. Yes, it's system specific. I don't like it being that way, but that's the way it is (for now, FreeBSD requires "-D_THREAD_SAFE"). If you are not using "-stable", but instead are using a FreeBSD from a CDROM, you will not be able to get your threads code to work reliably, especially if you are using signals, sockets, the fcntl() for dup, dup, dup2, or the ioctl() to set the fd into non-blocking mode (which is incorrectly sent down instead of being proxied into the flags for the thread fd). You will also have problems with the return values of various functions. For the -stable version of pthreads, there are only a few things to look out for. Most of these are the result of the differences between pthreads draft 4 and the draf 10/final implementations; FreeBSD -stable and -current are currently draft 4 implementations. The two major "gotcha's" are: o you can't statically initialize a pthread_mutex_t in draft 4 pthreads o If you pass an attribute to pthread_create, you need to pass the address of the attribute instead of the attribute itself. You can compile-time test for draft 4 by: #ifndef PTHREAD_MUTEX_INITIALIZER /* * Draft 4 code here */ #else /* !PTHREAD_MUTEX_INITIALIZER*/ /* * Draft 10/final code here */ #endif /* !PTHREAD_MUTEX_INITIALIZER*/ Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 17:39:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06208 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:39:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hq.freegate.com (ns.freegate.com [208.226.86.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06202 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:39:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ravi@freegate.com) Received: (qmail+freegate 18592 invoked by alias); 25 Mar 1998 01:39:25 -0000 Received: from ws131.hq.freegate.com (HELO freegate.com) (208.226.86.131) by ns.hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1998 01:39:25 -0000 Message-ID: <35185FE8.FE6EA3D@freegate.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:37:44 -0800 From: Ravi Duvvuri X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 17:51:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08076 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:51:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08001 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:50:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA22155; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:50:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:50:18 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: Tom cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Tom wrote: > > Probably. Also, let's say an ARP frame does get corrupted. Where do > > Ahh.. no. An error check is critical for ARP, as you will be using this > information to locate a particular system. Thankfully, ethernet framing > provides an error-check. You're right, but -- The question was about ARP requests, wasn't it? Let's say I want to talk to you, and my request gets corrupted. My ARP code should retransmit fairly quickly. For ARP replies, yes, corruption would be a Bad Thing. Good thing there's that CRC I forgot about. :-) > Huh? Why would it get retransmitted? Some devices cache ARP entries > for 2 hours, before making another request. Only if the request is completed (in the case of a corrupted ARP reply). If a request gets corrupted enough times to time out, which is pretty unlikely, all I get is an incomplete ARP entry, which lasts three minutes on most systems, if I recall correctly. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 18:35:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14996 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:35:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA14985 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:35:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHffK-0005PF-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:11:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:11:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Terry Lambert cc: Dalibor Sramek , jb@cimlogic.com.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free-BSD threads & IO In-Reply-To: <199803250120.SAA15818@usr02.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > If you are not using "-stable", but instead are using a FreeBSD > from a CDROM, you will not be able to get your threads code to > work reliably, especially if you are using signals, sockets, the signals/alarms don't seem to work well in stable either. MySQL's thr_alarm test hangs when used with FreeBSD threads. Passes when used with mit-pthreads on FreeBSD, and passes with posix threads on other systems (Linux and Solaris). 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This will ensure that you will *never* receive another email from us! :) *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 24 22:52:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20371 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cache1.telkomsel.co.id ([202.155.14.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20360 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:52:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arman@ai3.net) Received: from mail.Telkomsel.co.id (mail.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.83.4]) by cache1.telkomsel.co.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00822; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:00:06 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from ai3.net (dumb.HQ.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.80.217]) by mail.Telkomsel.co.id (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10302; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:00:48 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <35190E33.7E908938@ai3.net> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:01:23 +0000 From: Arman Hazairin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dg@root.com CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang References: <199803242235.OAA27379@implode.root.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Greenman wrote: > > >If you look into full trace of ftp session below, there are no > >retransmission attempt from either side. > > Very strange; I can't explain this behavior. Is it possible for you to > get a tcpdump on the other side as well? It might be interesting to see > if there is any difference with what the SCO machine sees. > What type of ethernet card is in the FreeBSD machine? > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project Unfortunately, I dont have root access to that system. The card in FreeBSD box is 3C509, I've tried with NE2000 and Intel Express, the result still the same. Btw, I convert the binary file that i want to transmit into text using uuencode, and finaly i can transfer the file. But still no answer for this 'strange' behaviour. -arman- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 02:34:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15969 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:34:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from monk.via.net (monk.via.net [209.81.9.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA15962 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@via.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by monk.via.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id CAA01997 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:23:26 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:23:26 -0800 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199803251023.CAA01997@monk.via.net> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Stupid problem with bounce buffers X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG on 2.2.5-Release... Putting 384M of ram in machine results in a kernel panic on boot: bounce buffer memory out of range Is there any way to fix this other than physically removing 128Meg of RAM and regenerating a new kernel ? joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 02:45:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17413 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:45:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17402 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:45:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA06186; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:39:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803251039.CAA06186@implode.root.com> To: Joe McGuckin cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stupid problem with bounce buffers In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:23:26 PST." <199803251023.CAA01997@monk.via.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:39:08 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >on 2.2.5-Release... > >Putting 384M of ram in machine results in a kernel panic on boot: > > bounce buffer memory out of range > >Is there any way to fix this other than physically removing 128Meg of RAM >and regenerating a new kernel ? Get 2.2.6 when it comes out in a day or so. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 02:45:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17416 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:45:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17404 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA13954; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:45:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Joe McGuckin cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stupid problem with bounce buffers In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:23:26 PST." <199803251023.CAA01997@monk.via.net> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:45:34 -0800 Message-ID: <13948.890822734@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Is there any way to fix this other than physically removing 128Meg of RAM > and regenerating a new kernel ? This was fixed in 2.2-stable. Here's the diff: RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/i386/machdep.c,v retrieving revision 1.209.2.21 retrieving revision 1.209.2.22 diff -u -u -r1.209.2.21 -r1.209.2.22 --- machdep.c 1998/03/12 13:06:42 1.209.2.21 +++ machdep.c 1998/03/23 05:30:29 1.209.2.22 @@ -304,7 +304,6 @@ if (Maxmem > 4096) { if (bouncepages == 0) { bouncepages = 64; - bouncepages += ((Maxmem - 4096) / 2048) * 32; } v = (caddr_t)((vm_offset_t)round_page(v)); valloc(bouncememory, char, bouncepages * PAGE_SIZE); You could also just wait a few hours and install 2.2.6 on the machine. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 03:19:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA21408 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:19:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bleep.ishiboo.com (user7201@bleep.ishiboo.com [206.64.4.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA21403 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:19:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from black@bleep.ishiboo.com) From: black@bleep.ishiboo.com Received: (qmail 16877 invoked by uid 1018); 25 Mar 1998 11:21:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19980325112144.20157.qmail@bleep.ishiboo.com> Subject: interface byte count insanity To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:21:43 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i've been mucking around with struct if_data to get useful interface statistics out of the kernel and have stumbled upon some rather ugly behavior. theo deraadt wrote a little kernel patch for me that adds a socket ioctl call to return the if_data structure for an interface, and i then modified ifconfig to print interface stats using the new ioctl. i tested on a P6-200 running vanilla 2.2.5R using de, fxp, and vx cards. for all cards tested the byte counts for both input and output are complete, though slowly increasing, garbage. after transferring over 100MB through the interface i saw this: de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 82632 packets input, 39371 bytes, 0 drops, 0 errors 39371 packets output, 2178386 bytes, 154 collisions, 0 errors inet 172.21.8.239 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.21.8.255 ether 00:40:05:41:10:18 media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active the packet counts are about right, but the byte counts are obviously silly. another oddity is the higher collision rate with the de card vs. the fxp card. i saw single digit collisions for the same amount of data with the fxp. i will re-run the tests to verify this behavior. do any of the current ethernet drivers correctly increment their byte counts? would anyone be averse to expanding struct if_data to include more detailed stats on errors and collision types? would the kernel and ifconfig patches be worth commiting to the tree (the kernel patch is particularly useful because it allows a modified netstat to run without being setgid kmem)? ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 03:45:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA23857 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:45:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA23850 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:45:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA06632; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:39:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803251139.DAA06632@implode.root.com> To: black@bleep.ishiboo.com cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: interface byte count insanity In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:21:43 EST." <19980325112144.20157.qmail@bleep.ishiboo.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:39:56 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > 82632 packets input, 39371 bytes, 0 drops, 0 errors > 39371 packets output, 2178386 bytes, 154 collisions, 0 errors > inet 172.21.8.239 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.21.8.255 > ether 00:40:05:41:10:18 > media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active > >the packet counts are about right, but the byte counts are obviously >silly. > >another oddity is the higher collision rate with the de card vs. the >fxp card. i saw single digit collisions for the same amount of data >with the fxp. i will re-run the tests to verify this behavior. > >do any of the current ethernet drivers correctly increment their byte >counts? would anyone be averse to expanding struct if_data to include >more detailed stats on errors and collision types? would the kernel >and ifconfig patches be worth commiting to the tree (the kernel patch >is particularly useful because it allows a modified netstat to run >without being setgid kmem)? ibytes and obytes are handled at the ethernet encapsulation level, not at the device driver level. The interface stats with netstat -i -b are correct (I depend on them heavily, so I know this to be true). I'd check your ioctl - I think it's broken. As for collision rate, that is entirely dependant on what you're talking to on the other side. You'll see wild swings in collision rate depending on type of traffic, speed of the machines, and type of ethernet controller. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 05:18:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03956 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:18:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from penrose.isocor.ie (penrose.isocor.ie [194.106.155.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03945 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:18:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.edwards@isocor.ie) Received: from isocor.ie (194.106.155.26) by penrose.isocor.ie; 25 Mar 1998 13:17:56 +0000 Message-ID: <351903E6.FB041AEC@isocor.ie> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:17:26 +0000 From: Peter Edwards Organization: ISOCOR X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arman Hazairin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang References: <199803242235.OAA27379@implode.root.com> <35190E33.7E908938@ai3.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Btw, I convert the binary file that i want to transmit into text using > uuencode, and finaly i can transfer the file. > But still no answer for this 'strange' behaviour. I hear a bell ringing in the distance. This indicates that the problem is not related to the size of the data, but its content. If the data-link path wasn't 8-bit clean (say, the SCO terminal device was doing cr->cr-lf translations on the TCP packets for example), is it possible that tcpdump shows the incoming (corrupted) packets coming up through bpf but the TCP code discards them because the checksum is invalid? This would explain why the FreeBSD box apparently "sees" the incoming packet, but the TCP stack doesn't respond to it. Cheers, Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 06:04:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12607 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:04:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA12597 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA08503; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:04:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:04:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: pratap singh Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-Reply-To: <199803242225.OAA27230@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: > > pratap singh wrote: > >I have a basic doubt. Every layer has a cehcksum being calculated > >whereas the ARP frame does not have. Can anyone throw light on this > >please. Is it because the ARP packets donot traverse the LAN boundary > >and error rates in LAN environment are very low compared to the WAN > >error rates???? > All ethernet packets have a 32bit CRC, so the arps are protected by that. until it hits the first switch or router. Past that point the arp can be garbaged any way you please, and the damage is undetectable. It's not an end-to-end checksum. Do arps cross gateways and switches? in some places, yes. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 06:49:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18371 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:49:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from albert.osu.cz (albert.osu.cz [195.113.106.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18354 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:49:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from belkovic@albert.osu.cz) Received: from localhost (belkovic@localhost) by albert.osu.cz (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01103 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:49:18 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:49:18 +0100 (MET) From: Josef Belkovics To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ip forward-protocol udp 170 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do you know any utility under FreeBSD, which can forward udp (and broadcast) packets? If you know cisco ios, then the same thing does command 'ip forward-protocol udp ?'. I remember, that about it was some mail in this group. Josef Belkovics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 06:56:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19680 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:56:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f2.hotmail.com [207.82.250.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA19670 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:56:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from v_pr@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 10508 invoked by uid 0); 25 Mar 1998 14:55:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19980325145544.10507.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.125.90.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:55:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.125.90.2] From: "pratap singh" To: v_pr@hotmail.com, dg@root.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:55:44 PST Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I perfectly know about the CRC carried in the ethernet frames. But if that is the case the higher layer protocols still do the checksum like IP. the reasons that I feel for not having the checksum in the ARP frame are: 1> IP packets get routed and can be seen to ascend and descend protocol stacks till they reach their destination. So even if the layer 2 (ethernet) checksum is right, they may get corrupted during the ascend and descend. And if the checksum is not provided by the IP itself, this error could go unnoticed. 2> However same is not the case with ARP which in the protocol stack sat with the hardware independent part of the Ethernet driver or any other layer 2 driver (historically) and so the traversal of the protocol stack was not necessary. And the local significance made the CRC just enough for detecting errors. But what in case of network stacks of today where the ARP is seen sitting together with IP or at the same level of IP. Someone Please correct me If I am wrong prats >From root@implode.root.com Tue Mar 24 16:15:26 1998 >Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27230; > Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:25:08 -0800 (PST) >Message-Id: <199803242225.OAA27230@implode.root.com> >To: "pratap singh" >cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question >In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:04:47 PST." > <19980324220447.14324.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: David Greenman >Reply-To: dg@root.com >Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:25:08 -0800 >Sender: root@implode.root.com > >>Hi all gurus of Networking, >>I have a basic doubt. Every layer has a cehcksum being calculated >>whereas the ARP frame does not have. Can anyone throw light on this >>please. Is it because the ARP packets donot traverse the LAN boundary >>and error rates in LAN environment are very low compared to the WAN >>error rates???? > > All ethernet packets have a 32bit CRC, so the arps are protected by that. > >-DG > >David Greenman >Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 07:22:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23175 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:22:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (7gmB9nd2kXzQD/sRzs8ubbxHFeiGbmQp@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA22901 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:21:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from ash2.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.16.30] ([MFzjcAWNz3tRUiW8BXe6KkJlbnteoZU0]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0yHrzL-0006Yj-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:21:11 +0000 Received: from njs3 by ash2.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0yHry1-0004SP-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:19:49 +0000 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:19:49 +0000 In-Reply-To: "pratap singh" "Re: ARP REQUEST question" (Mar 25, 6:55am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "pratap singh" , dg@root.com Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mar 25, 6:55am, "pratap singh" wrote: } Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question > Hi all, > I perfectly know about the CRC carried in the ethernet frames. But if > that is the case the higher layer protocols still do the checksum like > IP. > the reasons that I feel for not having the checksum in the ARP frame > are: > 1> IP packets get routed and can be seen to ascend and descend protocol > stacks till they reach their destination. So even if the layer 2 > (ethernet) checksum is right, they may get corrupted during the ascend > and descend. And if the checksum is not provided by the > IP itself, this error could go unnoticed. The "ascent" and "descent" through the protocol stacks, e.g., the demultiplexing of an ethernet packet to IP to TCP, is done entirely in software (or "reliable" hardware). Any corruption here is due to bugs in the networking code which should be eliminated. The reason IP has checksum field is that it cannot rely on the underlying network, be it ethernet, token ring or a VPN, to reliably deliver the data. That is the raison d'etre of TCP/IP. > 2> However same is not the case with ARP which in the protocol stack sat > with the hardware independent part of the Ethernet driver or any other > layer 2 driver (historically) and so the traversal of the protocol stack > was not necessary. And the local significance made the CRC just enough > for detecting errors. The ARP protocol is network specific and as DG already pointed out Ethernet frames contain a 32bit CRC, therefore the ARP packet does not need a checksum field. If an ARP protocol was needed for a network technology which did not checksum the data at the link level then the ARP protocol would require a checksum. Niall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 07:33:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25051 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:33:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from px.f1.ru (px.f1.ru [194.87.86.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25029 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:32:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from am@px.f1.ru) Received: (from am@localhost) by px.f1.ru (8.8.8/amsoft/1.0) id SAA06844 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:28:51 +0300 (MSK) From: Andrew Maltsev Message-Id: <199803251528.SAA06844@px.f1.ru> Subject: list of install exclusions for `make world' To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:28:51 +0300 (MSK) Reply-To: am@f1.ru Organization: F1 communications X-Phone: +7-086-229-9988 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! What about making a user configured list (empty by default) of files which will not be clobbered by `make world'? I think this may be very useful feature. For example my system have some files modified historically and so I have to have post-install script which restores some files (tcp wrappers stuff, editors, shells).. I'm planning to patch `install' to accept exclusions list and have something like /etc/noclobber.conf. What do you think? Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 07:44:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26884 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:44:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spiv.fnal.gov (spiv.fnal.gov [131.225.124.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26875 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:44:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neswold@fnal.gov) Received: from localhost (neswold@localhost) by spiv.fnal.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24310; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:46:10 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: spiv.fnal.gov: neswold owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:46:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard M. Neswold" Reply-To: neswold@fnal.gov To: pratap singh cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-Reply-To: <19980325145544.10507.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: X-Spambot-Food: abuse@localhost postmaster@localhost abuse@fbi.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, pratap singh wrote: > I perfectly know about the CRC carried in the ethernet frames. But if that > is the case the higher layer protocols still do the checksum like IP. the > reasons that I feel for not having the checksum in the ARP frame are: > 1> IP packets get routed and can be seen to ascend and descend protocol > stacks till they reach their destination. So even if the layer 2 > (ethernet) checksum is right, they may get corrupted during the ascend and > descend. And if the checksum is not provided by the IP itself, this error > could go unnoticed. If they get corrupted during the ascend or descend, you have a software bug in your TCP/IP stack. The reason IP adds its own checksum is because it can't make an assumption about what interface is being used. Although ethernet can reject a packet with a bad CRC, an RS-232C connection doesn't have this safeguard (unless you're using error correcting modems.) > 2> However same is not the case with ARP which in the protocol stack sat > with the hardware independent part of the Ethernet driver or any other > layer 2 driver (historically) and so the traversal of the protocol stack > was not necessary. And the local significance made the CRC just enough for > detecting errors. But what in case of network stacks of today where the > ARP is seen sitting together with IP or at the same level of IP. Someone > Please correct me If I am wrong. ARP is only used on LANs. To communicate on a LAN, you need a network card which can be ethernet, token ring, arcnet, etc. Each of these technologies has a way of validating incoming packets, so an ARP CRC is redundant. General IP packets can leave the local network through routers which can be RS-232C, radio broadcasts, satellite links, etc. which may not, themselves, have a way to detect transmission errors. Now it's my turn to be corrected if I'm wrong... Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Neswold, Accelerator Div./Controls Dept | neswold@fnal.gov Fermilab, PO Box 500, MS 347, Batavia, IL 60510 | voice (630) 840-3454 'finger neswold@aduxb.fnal.gov' for PGP key | fax (630) 840-3093 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 08:03:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29480 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:03:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29474 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:03:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24849; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:04:55 GMT Message-ID: <022501bd5807$21988160$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: "Josef Belkovics" , Subject: Re: ip forward-protocol udp 170 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:00:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA29476 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG check out: http://bright.ntunix.com/~perlsta/unix/ some info on "NATd" i hope this helps. -Alfred -----Original Message----- From: Josef Belkovics To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 5:58 AM Subject: ip forward-protocol udp 170 >Do you know any utility under FreeBSD, which can forward udp (and >broadcast) packets? If you know cisco ios, then the same thing does >command 'ip forward-protocol udp ?'. I remember, that about it was some >mail in this group. > >Josef Belkovics > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 08:16:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02526 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:16:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02519 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:16:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11359 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199803251616.IAA11359@austin.polstra.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Question about "ps" output Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:16:15 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is probably an ignorant question, but I'll ask it anyway. In the output of "ps -l", what circumstances cause RSS to be larger than VSZ, as in the last line here? UID PID PPID CPU PRI NI VSZ RSS WCHAN STAT TT TIME COMMAND 1001 3815 3814 1 10 0 1036 460 wait Ss p2 0:01.48 -bash (bash) 1001 11328 3815 3 28 0 644 276 - R+ p2 0:00.01 ps -l 1001 10758 10757 1 10 0 1020 440 wait Is p6 0:00.19 -bash (bash) 1001 10771 10758 101 -6 0 3568 6476 - R+ p6 23:36.70 cvsup -h bur I thought VSZ was the total size of the process, and RSS was the subset of it resident in memory. Does this have something to do with heavy use of mmap by the process? -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 08:29:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04803 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:29:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04779 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:29:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA17349; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:29:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:29:11 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: Arman Hazairin cc: dg@root.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-Reply-To: <35190E33.7E908938@ai3.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Arman Hazairin wrote: > Btw, I convert the binary file that i want to transmit into text using > uuencode, and finaly i can transfer the file. Perhaps you could split(1) the file into two parts, and see which one causes the transfer to hang. Then rinse, repeat, until you've isolated the byte sequence of death. That should be illuminating. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 08:38:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06352 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:38:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (CAUoEjrmEExYdXePHQq0QRY6vQNrVWNZ@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06341 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:38:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from ash2.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.16.30] ([3v4iuPB4eeLX5zRigT5krOOPy12nJ1ZJ]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0yHtCz-0007Eh-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:39:21 +0000 Received: from njs3 by ash2.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0yHtBf-0004WL-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:37:59 +0000 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:37:59 +0000 In-Reply-To: Snob Art Genre "Re: TCP connection hang" (Mar 25, 11:29am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Snob Art Genre , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mar 25, 11:29am, Snob Art Genre wrote: } Subject: Re: TCP connection hang > On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Arman Hazairin wrote: > > > Btw, I convert the binary file that i want to transmit into text using > > uuencode, and finaly i can transfer the file. > > Perhaps you could split(1) the file into two parts, and see which one > causes the transfer to hang. Then rinse, repeat, until you've isolated > the byte sequence of death. That should be illuminating. And dull :) If you don't know expect or shell scripting, now's your chance. Niall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 08:54:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11004 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:54:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA10923 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:54:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yHt4b-0005ua-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:30:41 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:30:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Josef Belkovics cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip forward-protocol udp 170 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Josef Belkovics wrote: > Do you know any utility under FreeBSD, which can forward udp (and Standard UNIX routing code can forward any type of IP traffic. > broadcast) packets? If you know cisco ios, then the same thing does Broadcast? It is generally a bad idea to forward any kind of broadcast traffic. > command 'ip forward-protocol udp ?'. I remember, that about it was some > mail in this group. > > Josef Belkovics Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 09:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12891 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:01:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12814 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:01:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA11167; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:01:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:01:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: black@bleep.ishiboo.com cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: interface byte count insanity In-Reply-To: <19980325112144.20157.qmail@bleep.ishiboo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 black@bleep.ishiboo.com wrote: > de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > 82632 packets input, 39371 bytes, 0 drops, 0 errors > 39371 packets output, 2178386 bytes, 154 collisions, 0 errors > inet 172.21.8.239 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.21.8.255 > ether 00:40:05:41:10:18 > media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active This is cute, I like it. > would anyone be averse to expanding struct if_data to include more > detailed stats on errors and collision types? It would be useful yes. > would the kernel and ifconfig patches be worth commiting to the tree > (the kernel patch is particularly useful because it allows a modified > netstat to run without being setgid kmem)? I'm not sure if its politically correct but the information is kind of useful. Reminds me of a 'show interface ...' on a cisco. Probably be best to have those stats enabled via an option flag. How about separate counters for each alias too? /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 09:14:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15640 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tucson.sby.dnet.net.id (tucson.sby.dnet.net.id [202.148.7.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15558 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:14:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizki@sby.dnet.net.id) Received: from rizki ([202.148.7.139]) by tucson.sby.dnet.net.id (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-42657U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAC16953 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:12:08 +0700 Reply-To: "/rizki" From: "/rizki" To: Subject: test Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:10:37 +0700 Message-ID: <01bd5810$ee395e20$LocalHost@RIZKI> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greeting from Indonesia... Is this mailing list alive ??? I use freebsd 2.2.5 and 3.0 for my school's server. Like any1 care heheh. /rizki rizki@sby.dnet.net.id riz@its.ac.id kepik@indonesia-undernet.org hunterkiller@psicorps.com itsnot@myownemail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 09:19:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16932 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:19:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from albert.osu.cz (albert.osu.cz [195.113.106.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16777 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:18:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from belkovic@albert.osu.cz) Received: from localhost (belkovic@localhost) by albert.osu.cz (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01713 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:18:51 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:18:51 +0100 (MET) From: Josef Belkovics To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip forward-protocol udp 170 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Josef Belkovics wrote: > > > Do you know any utility under FreeBSD, which can forward udp (and > Standard UNIX routing code can forward any type of IP traffic. > > broadcast) packets? If you know cisco ios, then the same thing does > Broadcast? It is generally a bad idea to forward any kind of broadcast > traffic. > > command 'ip forward-protocol udp ?'. I remember, that about it was some > > mail in this group. > > Josef Belkovics > Tom It is generally a bad idea to use something like then FreeBSD. But I need forward _urgently_. I have 'skywalker' - microwave equipment. It is a bridge and hasn't ip. According users bridge has troubles, but I can't manage it, because bridge is behind FreeBSD router. The remaining 'skywalkers' are behind cisco router and therefore I see them. (Management utility for 'skywalker' runs on novell.) Analogous there is necessity to forward broadcast (?) for wins, browser dhcp etc. services under nt, w95. Josef Belkovics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 09:24:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17861 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:24:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from albert.osu.cz (albert.osu.cz [195.113.106.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17851 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:24:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from belkovic@albert.osu.cz) Received: from localhost (belkovic@localhost) by albert.osu.cz (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01742; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:25:05 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:25:05 +0100 (MET) From: Josef Belkovics To: /rizki cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: test In-Reply-To: <01bd5810$ee395e20$LocalHost@RIZKI> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, /rizki wrote: > Greeting from Indonesia... > > Is this mailing list alive ??? > I use freebsd 2.2.5 and 3.0 for my school's server. Like any1 care heheh. > > /rizki > rizki@sby.dnet.net.id > riz@its.ac.id > kepik@indonesia-undernet.org > hunterkiller@psicorps.com > itsnot@myownemail.com > Alive. Josef (Absurdity republic) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 09:44:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21999 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:44:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newserv.urc.ac.ru (newserv.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21902 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:44:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Received: from localhost.urc.ac.ru (y.RNOC-dialup.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.127]) by newserv.urc.ac.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA23266 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:43:21 +0500 (ES) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:42:51 +0500 (ES) From: Konstantin Chuguev To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: chflags on NFS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all. For security reasons I do not allow access to my build-server (the one with cvsup-, current- and stable- source tree + /usr/obj) by NFS. Instead, I mount (/,/usr,/var)-triples from other servers and routers, and install fresh STABLEs to NFS-servers. I decided to do so after I had discovered that read-only access to the source tree is not enough to install the distribution. As all goes through 100Mb full-duplex, it is not significantly slower than install-from-NFS-server mode. The only problem is I cannot chflags [no]schg through NFS :-( So I have to know all the files with immutable flag set in the distribution. It was easy to do: find . -name Makefile | grep schg and find . -name Makefile | grep PRECIOUSLIB + a bit of wildcarding work. But I'd like to do all that automatically. If you don't find that security reason serious, there is another example: My build-server and FTP-server are different machines, and now I'm making 2.2.6-RELEASE. The same problem :-) -- Konstantin V. Chuguev. System administrator of Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, Joy@urc.ac.ru Chelyabinsk, Russia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 09:44:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22059 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:44:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.netcetera.dk (root@sleipner.netcetera.dk [194.192.207.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22000 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:44:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@image.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.netcetera.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id SAA02349 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:42:44 +0100 Received: by swimsuit.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk (0.99.970109) id AA01759; 25 Mar 98 18:46:16 +0100 From: leifn@image.dk (Leif Neland) Date: 25 Mar 98 18:15:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Stupid problem with bounce buffers Message-ID: Organization: Fidonet: Swimsuit Safari. Go for it. To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 25 Mar 98 11:39:08 David Greenman (2:234/49.99) wrote to All regarding Re: Stupid problem with bounce buffers in area "freebsd-hacker" DG> Get 2.2.6 when it comes out in a day or so. It's here!! At least this is what I got when cvsup'ping today. Leif Neland leifn@image.dk --- |Fidonet: Leif Neland 2:234/49 |Internet: leifn@image.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 09:56:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25005 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:56:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA24907 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:56:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA09644; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:55:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:55:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Niall Smart wrote: > The "ascent" and "descent" through the protocol stacks, e.g., the > demultiplexing of an ethernet packet to IP to TCP, is done entirely in > software (or "reliable" hardware). Any corruption here is due to bugs > in the networking code which should be eliminated. The reason IP has > checksum field is that it cannot rely on the underlying network, be it > ethernet, token ring or a VPN, to reliably deliver the data. That is > the raison d'etre of TCP/IP. I don't think that is the whole story. Checksums or CRCs should be end-to-end. We've learned that the hard way often enough. Ethernet CRCs are not end-to-end. It's not an issue of reliable delivery. It's an issue of being able to detect data corruption. That's why udp checksums are always left turned on for NFS in so many sites. Niall is right that corruption "should not" happen. The real question is whether it does (and it does). So you need some sort of end-to-end checking. The first time I saw this was a router with an undetected memory error. Of course, it was in high memory, and of course, only occasionally did packets get tromped, since high memory was only used heavily under heavy offered load. Turning UDP checksums on for NFS would catch the problem, when there was enough load. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 10:17:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00278 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:17:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.its.rpi.edu (dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu [128.113.161.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00251 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:16:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (dec@localhost) by phoenix.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA20576; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:16:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:16:43 -0500 (EST) From: "David E. Cross" To: "Ron G. Minnich" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Ron G. Minnich wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Niall Smart wrote: > > The "ascent" and "descent" through the protocol stacks, e.g., the > > demultiplexing of an ethernet packet to IP to TCP, is done entirely in > > software (or "reliable" hardware). Any corruption here is due to bugs > > in the networking code which should be eliminated. The reason IP has > > checksum field is that it cannot rely on the underlying network, be it > > ethernet, token ring or a VPN, to reliably deliver the data. That is > > the raison d'etre of TCP/IP. > > I don't think that is the whole story. Checksums or CRCs should be > end-to-end. We've learned that the hard way often enough. Ethernet CRCs > are not end-to-end. It's not an issue of reliable delivery. It's an issue > of being able to detect data corruption. That's why udp checksums are > always left turned on for NFS in so many sites. > > Niall is right that corruption "should not" happen. The real question is > whether it does (and it does). So you need some sort of end-to-end > checking. > > The first time I saw this was a router with an undetected memory error. > Of course, it was in high memory, and of course, only occasionally did > packets get tromped, since high memory was only used heavily under heavy > offered load. Turning UDP checksums on for NFS would catch the problem, > when there was enough load. > I see what you are saying with corrupted packets being introduced by a flaky ethernet card, but keep in mind that true 'end to end' detection and reliability is not possible, if you have a bad memory circut, in the place wher you are building the packet in the kernel, you are going to get a bogus packet no matter what, since you will compute the checksum on the corrupted packet. It is also of note how laughable the Internet checksums are, they are 16 bit modulo 2^16 checksums, they are NOT CRCs... a simple byte swap can confuse them, or inserting 0s into the stream. They are not 'reliable' in any real sense of the word anyway. I do not have the statistics in front of me, but it is many orders of magnitude more like for something to slip through a simple checksum, than it is for CRC. Finally, if you have an ethernet card that munging packets (especially ARP packets), I doubt the netowkr on that computer will work at all; very directly pointing the finger that something is wrong. PS: Is anyone here in a position to rewrite the ARP RFC? -- David Cross UNIX Systems Administrator GE Corporate R&D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 10:21:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00972 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:21:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ROSE.IPM.AC.IR (vax.ipm.ac.ir [194.225.70.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00950 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mshar@vax.ipm.ac.ir) Received: by ROSE.IPM.AC.IR (MX V4.1 VAX) id 12; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:50:43 +0330 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:50:40 +0330 From: mshar@vax.ipm.ac.ir To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <009C3BC0.847E6D60.12@ROSE.IPM.AC.IR> Subject: Re: Cluster? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, DIPC (Distributed Inter-Process Communication) can be used to build clusters of PC computers. DIPC programmers can use Messages, Semaphores, and Transparent Distributed Shared memory. The programming model is the same as System V IPC. Currently DIPC is only available for Linux, but it could be ported to other UNIX variants like FreeBSD. For more information visit http://wallybox.cei.net/dipc -Kamran Karimi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 10:34:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03472 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03391 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:34:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA09816; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:33:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, David E. Cross wrote: > I see what you are saying with corrupted packets being introduced by a > flaky ethernet card, but keep in mind that true 'end to end' detection and > reliability is not possible, if you have a bad memory circut, in the place > wher you are building the packet in the kernel, you are going to get a Don't forget, it's not just on your machine. It's on any device (router or switch) between your memory and the destination computer's memory. That covers a lot of ground. > It is also of note how laughable the Internet checksums are, they are 16 > bit modulo 2^16 checksums, they are NOT CRCs... a simple byte swap can yes, in fact you have just brought to mind one of the very few advantages that ATM has over both Ethernet and IP checksums: ATM AAL5 has a CRC-32 (as good as ethernet, much better than IP) that is end-to-end (as good as IP, much better than Ethernet). There's only a few places where ATM is a winner, and this is one of them. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 10:34:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03566 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:34:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03490 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:34:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05640; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:34:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199803251834.NAA05640@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Question about "ps" output In-Reply-To: <199803251616.IAA11359@austin.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Mar 25, 98 08:16:15 am" To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:34:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This is probably an ignorant question, but I'll ask it anyway. > In the output of "ps -l", what circumstances cause RSS to be larger > than VSZ, as in the last line here? > > UID PID PPID CPU PRI NI VSZ RSS WCHAN STAT TT TIME COMMAND > 1001 3815 3814 1 10 0 1036 460 wait Ss p2 0:01.48 -bash (bash) > 1001 11328 3815 3 28 0 644 276 - R+ p2 0:00.01 ps -l > 1001 10758 10757 1 10 0 1020 440 wait Is p6 0:00.19 -bash (bash) > 1001 10771 10758 101 -6 0 3568 6476 - R+ p6 23:36.70 cvsup -h bur > > I thought VSZ was the total size of the process, and RSS was the > subset of it resident in memory. > On 2.2.X and earlier versions of 3.0-current, VSZ didn't take mmaped segments into account. Now it does. RSS has been accurate. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 10:36:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04238 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:36:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04100 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:36:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12734; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:35:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199803251835.KAA12734@austin.polstra.com> To: "John S. Dyson" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about "ps" output In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:34:16 EST." <199803251834.NAA05640@dyson.iquest.net> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:35:45 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I thought VSZ was the total size of the process, and RSS was the > > subset of it resident in memory. > > On 2.2.X and earlier versions of 3.0-current, VSZ didn't take mmaped > segments into account. Now it does. RSS has been accurate. Aha! Thanks! John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 11:03:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10113 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:03:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10105 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:03:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12049; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:02:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803251902.LAA12049@implode.root.com> To: Peter Edwards cc: Arman Hazairin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:17:26 GMT." <351903E6.FB041AEC@isocor.ie> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:02:49 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> Btw, I convert the binary file that i want to transmit into text using >> uuencode, and finaly i can transfer the file. >> But still no answer for this 'strange' behaviour. > >I hear a bell ringing in the distance. >This indicates that the problem is not related to the size of the data, but its >content. If the data-link path wasn't 8-bit clean (say, the SCO terminal device >was doing cr->cr-lf translations on the TCP packets for example), is it >possible that tcpdump shows the incoming (corrupted) packets coming up through >bpf but the TCP code discards them because the checksum is invalid? This would >explain why the FreeBSD box apparently "sees" the incoming packet, but the TCP >stack doesn't respond to it. If this is the case, then an examination of the 'netstat -s' stats should show this...Arman? -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 11:11:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11373 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:11:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11367 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:11:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12206; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:11:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803251911.LAA12206@implode.root.com> To: "Ron G. Minnich" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, pratap singh Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:04:16 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:11:34 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: >> > pratap singh wrote: >> >I have a basic doubt. Every layer has a cehcksum being calculated >> >whereas the ARP frame does not have. Can anyone throw light on this >> >please. Is it because the ARP packets donot traverse the LAN boundary >> >and error rates in LAN environment are very low compared to the WAN >> >error rates???? >> All ethernet packets have a 32bit CRC, so the arps are protected by that. > >until it hits the first switch or router. Past that point the arp can be >garbaged any way you please, and the damage is undetectable. It's not an >end-to-end checksum. Do arps cross gateways and switches? in some places, >yes. Switches should be checking the CRC on inbound packets and discarding them if it is bad, so I don't see a problem. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 11:34:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15183 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cache2.Telkomsel.co.id ([202.155.14.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15174 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:34:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arman@ai3.net) Received: from mail.Telkomsel.co.id (mail.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.83.4]) by cache2.Telkomsel.co.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA26266; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:42:36 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from ai3.net (dumb.HQ.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.80.217]) by mail.Telkomsel.co.id (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20440; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:42:52 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <3519C0D0.A32B15D6@ai3.net> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:43:28 +0000 From: Arman Hazairin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dg@root.com CC: Peter Edwards , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang References: <199803251902.LAA12049@implode.root.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Greenman wrote: > > >> Btw, I convert the binary file that i want to transmit into text using > >> uuencode, and finaly i can transfer the file. > >> But still no answer for this 'strange' behaviour. > > > >I hear a bell ringing in the distance. > >This indicates that the problem is not related to the size of the data, but its > >content. If the data-link path wasn't 8-bit clean (say, the SCO terminal device > >was doing cr->cr-lf translations on the TCP packets for example), is it > >possible that tcpdump shows the incoming (corrupted) packets coming up through > >bpf but the TCP code discards them because the checksum is invalid? This would > >explain why the FreeBSD box apparently "sees" the incoming packet, but the TCP > >stack doesn't respond to it. > > If this is the case, then an examination of the 'netstat -s' stats should > show this...Arman? > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project Well, I think we already on the righ track, as splitting the file into pieces doesn't do any good, because the first fily could not be transferred. I will look into hexdump output to see the byte sequence around 4K. btw, using netstat and snmp tools, I could see the increment in checksum received error in tcp. before transmission: netstat -s output: tcp: 405912 discarded for bad checksums snmp query output: tcp.tcpInErrs: 405912 after connection hang: netstat -s output: tcp: 405919 discarded for bad checksums snmp query output: tcp.tcpInErrs: 405919 So, is it mean that SCO implementation has problem, or just wrong setup in that SCO box ? regards, -arman- ps. sorry for late response, localtime: 02.30 AM :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 11:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16397 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:44:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16391 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:44:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12602; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:44:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803251944.LAA12602@implode.root.com> To: Arman Hazairin cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:43:28 GMT." <3519C0D0.A32B15D6@ai3.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:44:43 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >netstat -s output: >tcp: > 405919 discarded for bad checksums Wow, that's a lot of bad checksums. >So, is it mean that SCO implementation has problem, or just wrong setup >in >that SCO box ? I think the problem is with the routers and not the computers. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 11:45:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16738 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:45:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16732 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:45:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12611; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:45:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803251945.LAA12611@implode.root.com> To: Pedro A M Vazquez cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:28:46 -0300." <199803251928.QAA04991@kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:45:35 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >David Greenman was saying that: >> >> >On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: >> >> > pratap singh wrote: >> >> >I have a basic doubt. Every layer has a cehcksum being calculated >> >> >whereas the ARP frame does not have. Can anyone throw light on this >> >> >please. Is it because the ARP packets donot traverse the LAN boundary >> >> >and error rates in LAN environment are very low compared to the WAN >> >> >error rates???? >> >> All ethernet packets have a 32bit CRC, so the arps are protected by that. >> > >> >until it hits the first switch or router. Past that point the arp can be >> >garbaged any way you please, and the damage is undetectable. It's not an >> >end-to-end checksum. Do arps cross gateways and switches? in some places, >> >yes. >> >> Switches should be checking the CRC on inbound packets and discarding >> them if it is bad, so I don't see a problem. > >This is true for store and forward switches only, 3Com claims its >'Fast Forward' technology starts forwarding as soon as the destination >address has been received and the lookup completed, this would bypass CRC >checking. Yes, but in this case the CRC would also be passed on to the next device and will ultimately be checked at some point (and the packet discarded if it is bad). There is no practical difference between this and the treatment of IP through an IP router/switch. The only point when the ARP packet isn't protected by the ethernet CRC is when it gets to the final destination, and at that point only a problem with bad software or broken hardware could corrupt the packet. If we're arguing that IP checksums are better because they last longer in the software path, then that's silly because the first thing that happens to an IP packet is the checksum test. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 12:18:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24668 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:18:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cache1.telkomsel.co.id ([202.155.14.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24582 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:17:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arman@ai3.net) Received: from mail.Telkomsel.co.id (mail.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.83.4]) by cache1.telkomsel.co.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA04268; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:24:41 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from aladin.hq.telkomsel.co.id (Aladin.HQ.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.80.214]) by mail.Telkomsel.co.id (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA20616; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:25:23 +0700 (JAVT) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:20:52 +0700 (JAVT) From: Arman Hazairin Hasan X-Sender: arman@aladin.hq.telkomsel.co.id To: David Greenman cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-Reply-To: <199803251944.LAA12602@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: > >netstat -s output: > >tcp: > > 405919 discarded for bad checksums > > Wow, that's a lot of bad checksums. Hehehe.... that numbers come because that machine already up for 139 days without any interruption (Gee this is FreeBSD). And, we already try to transfer binary file since that time (of course the result is the same :) So, basically its about 7 count of checksum error if you compare it to the status before and after ftp session. > >So, is it mean that SCO implementation has problem, or just wrong setup > >in > >that SCO box ? > > I think the problem is with the routers and not the computers. If the problem in the routers, why can i transfer 1.8MB of uuencoded file without any problem. Doesnt it suppose to do retransmission instead of just keep silent ? Maybe I should compare the tcpdump output of both side, and do \ packet dump (option x?) so we can lookup into tcp checksum. And see where the packet has been hamperred. Or maybe I just put FreeBSD box as a replacement for SCO :) Seems like good idea, anyone ? > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project -arman- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 12:24:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25526 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:24:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA25466 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:23:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA10414; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:23:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:23:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-Reply-To: <199803251911.LAA12206@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: > Switches should be checking the CRC on inbound packets and discarding > them if it is bad, so I don't see a problem. No problem if the crc on the inbound packet is bad. Discard it. Suppose there's a problem though between the 'inbound crc check' and the 'outbound crc generate' such that one bit in the packet is corrupted. Say, a pattern that results in a marginal component internal to the switch corrupting data, then the corrupt data is used to generate crc-32 on the outgoing side. Boom, corrupted packet, no indication. This can and does happen. Checksums have to be end-to-end. To paraphrase one vendor's manual: "To resolve this problem, turn on UDP checksums". (translation: we don't know what's going wrong. We can't help you fix it. But we can at least tell you that it DID go wrong). Most recent (humorous) example: Don Becker reports that he detected problems with gigabit ethernet cards via IP checksums. The problems occured (yikes!) on the destination machine, as the data was transferred from the card to main memory. No crc-32 error can catch that one, since it's already been checked on the card. Ouch. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 12:26:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25913 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:26:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25848 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:25:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13008; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:25:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803252025.MAA13008@implode.root.com> To: Arman Hazairin Hasan cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:20:52 +0700." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:25:39 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> >So, is it mean that SCO implementation has problem, or just wrong setup >> >in >> >that SCO box ? >> >> I think the problem is with the routers and not the computers. > >If the problem in the routers, why can i transfer 1.8MB of >uuencoded file without any problem. Doesnt it suppose to do >retransmission instead of just keep silent ? As was pointed out by Peter, the FreeBSD machine is getting the packets (and BPF is showing them), but they are discarded at the TCP level because of the bad checksum. The corruption appears to be sensitive to the packet contents, so that is why some things work and others do not. >Maybe I should compare the tcpdump output of both side, and do \ >packet dump (option x?) so we can lookup into tcp checksum. And >see where the packet has been hamperred. Yes, this might help, but it may only confirm what is already known - that the packet data is corrupted in some strange way. >Or maybe I just put FreeBSD box as a replacement for SCO :) >Seems like good idea, anyone ? That will only help if the corruption is occuring due to a software problem in the SCO machine. I don't think that is where the problem is; I think it is with the routers or the 64Kbps circuit between them. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 12:31:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27347 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27323 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:31:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA21494; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:31:13 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA06454; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:31:07 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980325213106.34958@follo.net> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:31:06 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: am@f1.ru, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: list of install exclusions for `make world' References: <199803251528.SAA06844@px.f1.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199803251528.SAA06844@px.f1.ru>; from Andrew Maltsev on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 06:28:51PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 06:28:51PM +0300, Andrew Maltsev wrote: > Hi! > > What about making a user configured list (empty by default) of files > which will not be clobbered by `make world'? I think this may be > very useful feature. For example my system have some files modified > historically and so I have to have post-install script which restores > some files (tcp wrappers stuff, editors, shells).. > > I'm planning to patch `install' to accept exclusions list and have > something like /etc/noclobber.conf. > > What do you think? Sounds expensive. I've started doing a build-limitation system; which allow oyu to build only parts of the system. I think any form of exclusion list should probably be integrated here, to avoid having to scan that exclusion file for _each_ install command. There are a _lot_ of them. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 12:35:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28066 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:35:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28052 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:35:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13083; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:35:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803252035.MAA13083@implode.root.com> To: "Ron G. Minnich" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:23:08 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:35:34 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: >> Switches should be checking the CRC on inbound packets and discarding >> them if it is bad, so I don't see a problem. > >No problem if the crc on the inbound packet is bad. Discard it. Suppose >there's a problem though between the 'inbound crc check' and the 'outbound >crc generate' such that one bit in the packet is corrupted. Say, a pattern >that results in a marginal component internal to the switch corrupting >data, then the corrupt data is used to generate crc-32 on the outgoing >side. Boom, corrupted packet, no indication. This can and does happen. This assumes that the CRC is regenerated; I can't think of any reason why this would need to be done inside of an ethernet switch - you already have the (checked) CRC, so why would you need to regenerate it? From your own scenario above, it's obvious why it would be undesirable to do so. Anyway, all this has very little to do with FreeBSD so I'm wondering why this is being discussed here. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 13:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11673 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (root@gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11617 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01955; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:54:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28898; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA07247; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:54:42 -0800 (PST) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199803252154.NAA07247@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:54:42 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Ron G. Minnich" "Re: ARP REQUEST question" (Mar 25, 3:23pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: "Ron G. Minnich" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mar 25, 3:23pm, "Ron G. Minnich" wrote: } Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question } On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: } > Switches should be checking the CRC on inbound packets and discarding } > them if it is bad, so I don't see a problem. } } No problem if the crc on the inbound packet is bad. Discard it. Suppose } there's a problem though between the 'inbound crc check' and the 'outbound } crc generate' such that one bit in the packet is corrupted. Say, a pattern } that results in a marginal component internal to the switch corrupting } data, then the corrupt data is used to generate crc-32 on the outgoing } side. Boom, corrupted packet, no indication. This can and does happen. Switches and bridges should not regenerate the CRC on outbound packets. They should just pass the incoming CRC through. Routers must regenerate the CRC because they substitute their own MAC address in the outgoing source address field and substitute the MAC address of the next hop device in the outgoing destination address field. This isn't a problem for ARP, though, because routers don't propagate ARP. } Checksums have to be end-to-end. Yes. } Most recent (humorous) example: Don Becker reports that he detected } problems with gigabit ethernet cards via IP checksums. The problems } occured (yikes!) on the destination machine, as the data was transferred } from the card to main memory. No crc-32 error can catch that one, since } it's already been checked on the card. Ouch. And you lose the ability to check this if your card does the checksums in hardware. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 13:55:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11677 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:55:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11608 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:55:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16266; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:55:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd016190; Wed Mar 25 14:54:57 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA09182; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:54:44 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803252154.OAA09182@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ip forward-protocol udp 170 To: belkovic@albert.osu.cz (Josef Belkovics) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:54:43 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Josef Belkovics" at Mar 25, 98 06:18:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It is generally a bad idea to use something like then FreeBSD. But I need > forward _urgently_. I have 'skywalker' - microwave equipment. It is a > bridge and hasn't ip. According users bridge has troubles, but I can't > manage it, because bridge is behind FreeBSD router. The remaining > 'skywalkers' are behind cisco router and therefore I see them. (Management > utility for 'skywalker' runs on novell.) > > Analogous there is necessity to forward broadcast (?) for wins, browser > dhcp etc. services under nt, w95. DHCP forwarding is done by DHCP proxy (see the RFC). I imagine WINS would be done via browse master (which you could get by running the most recent SAMBA code on FreeBSD), so it would not be forwarding, technically. What other UDP packets are you trying to forward? Most likely whatever they are, they should be seperaly proxied and/or agregated by a proxy service (eg: the WINS browse master example, above). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 14:02:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14175 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:02:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14118 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:02:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19879; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:02:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd019860; Wed Mar 25 15:02:08 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09566; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:02:02 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803252202.PAA09566@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: list of install exclusions for `make world' To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:02:01 +0000 (GMT) Cc: am@f1.ru, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980325213106.34958@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at Mar 25, 98 09:31:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've started doing a build-limitation system; which allow oyu to build > only parts of the system. I think any form of exclusion list should > probably be integrated here, to avoid having to scan that exclusion > file for _each_ install command. There are a _lot_ of them. While you are in there mucking around (I hate sentences that start that way, at least when they are being spoken to me... 8-))... You may want to consider the problem that was recently raised, where it's not possible to build from a totally read-only source tree. I would love to be able to update my OS from a cdrom with a source tree on it, simply by building and installing the world. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 14:13:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17357 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:13:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.its.rpi.edu (root@phoenix.its.rpi.edu [128.113.161.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17271 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:12:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (dec@localhost) by phoenix.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA22699 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:44:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:44:53 -0500 (EST) From: "David E. Cross" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TCP/ARP Request Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My emailbox is starting to look like output from tcpdump: N 219 Mar 25 David Greenman (2,879) Re: TCP connection hang 220 Mar 25 David Greenman (2,893) Re: ARP REQUEST question N 221 Mar 26 Arman Hazairin (3,959) Re: TCP connection hang N 222 Mar 25 David Greenman (2,290) Re: TCP connection hang 223 Mar 25 David Greenman (3,838) Re: ARP REQUEST question N 224 Mar 26 Arman Hazairin Has (3,428) Re: TCP connection hang 225 Mar 25 Ron G. Minnich (3,101) Re: ARP REQUEST question N 226 Mar 25 David Greenman (3,314) Re: TCP connection hang -- David Cross UNIX Systems Administrator GE Corporate R&D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 14:32:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22244 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:32:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22215 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:32:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25617; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:30:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:30:31 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Terry Lambert cc: Eivind Eklund , am@f1.ru, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: list of install exclusions for `make world' In-Reply-To: <199803252202.PAA09566@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > I've started doing a build-limitation system; which allow oyu to build > > only parts of the system. I think any form of exclusion list should > > probably be integrated here, to avoid having to scan that exclusion > > file for _each_ install command. There are a _lot_ of them. > > While you are in there mucking around (I hate sentences that > start that way, at least when they are being spoken to me... 8-))... > > You may want to consider the problem that was recently raised, > where it's not possible to build from a totally read-only source > tree. > > I would love to be able to update my OS from a cdrom with a source > tree on it, simply by building and installing the world. I dunno how much room this'd take extra, but if it just included the entire obj from a good build, then you'd not even have to buildworld, just install. Folks who complain about 2.1.0 not being kept up to date could be dealt with by telling them that they'd lost their last valid excuse not to upgrade. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 16:06:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05597 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:06:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from albert.osu.cz (albert.osu.cz [195.113.106.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05580 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:06:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from belkovic@albert.osu.cz) Received: from localhost (belkovic@localhost) by albert.osu.cz (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA00246; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:07:30 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:07:30 +0100 (MET) From: Josef Belkovics To: Terry Lambert cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip forward-protocol udp 170 In-Reply-To: <199803252154.OAA09182@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Analogous there is necessity to forward broadcast (?) for wins, browser > > dhcp etc. services under nt, w95. > DHCP forwarding is done by DHCP proxy (see the RFC). Is there DHCP proxy under FreeBSD? I use ISCdhcpd beta_5_14 and I think that it isn't DHCP proxy. > I imagine WINS would be done via browse master (which you could get by > running the most recent SAMBA code on FreeBSD), so it would not be > forwarding, technically. > What other UDP packets are you trying to forward? Most likely whatever > they are, they should be seperaly proxied and/or agregated by a proxy > service (eg: the WINS browse master example, above). I am trying to forward UDP packets from microwave bridge. Management for bridge runs on novell. Under cisco router I forward UDP packets with the aid of 'ip forward-protocol udp 170'. My question is how I get this function under FreeBSD? Now I know about natd (network address translation). Do you know another solution? (Next, I have other microwave bridge. This has ip, management runs on w95. But implementation of ip stack is strange (bridge certainly isn't able to fragmentation) and I can't use management program behind router (cisco or FreeBSD). So I also want to use natd.) Josef Belkovics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 16:07:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05676 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from d182-89.uoregon.edu (d182-89.uoregon.edu [128.223.182.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05604 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:06:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by d182-89.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA24194; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:06:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980325160643.04833@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:06:43 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Terry Lambert Cc: "David E. Cross" , eivind@yes.no, shimon@simon-shapiro.org, kgor@inetspace.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How do you increase available SYSV shared memory? References: <199803212148.OAA06529@usr09.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199803212148.OAA06529@usr09.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 09:48:27PM +0000 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert scribbled this message on Mar 21: > That said, I believe there are currently reasons, until you can use > a procfs call to adopt a copy-on-write region as a non-copy-on-write so we need to have a way for procfs to list all the file descriptors that are owned by the process so that you can mmap them MAP_{SHARED,PRIVATE} to their hearts content? > region in another process (ie: copy the pages if they are /dev/zero > pages, but share them otherwise), that SYSV SHMEM is actually a > better (in terms of performance) technology. what's wrong with a unix domain socket and passing the file descriptor through the socket? -- John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 16:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08384 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:28:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08374 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:28:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05302; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:28:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd005280; Wed Mar 25 17:28:24 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21165; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:28:21 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803260028.RAA21165@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ip forward-protocol udp 170 To: belkovic@albert.osu.cz (Josef Belkovics) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:28:21 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Josef Belkovics" at Mar 26, 98 01:07:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Analogous there is necessity to forward broadcast (?) for wins, browser > > > dhcp etc. services under nt, w95. > > > DHCP forwarding is done by DHCP proxy (see the RFC). > > Is there DHCP proxy under FreeBSD? I use ISCdhcpd beta_5_14 and I think > that it isn't DHCP proxy. Check out the WIDE project (Japan; origin of IIJPPP, if I recall...). I *thought* the most recent ISCdhcpd handled it, too, but I could be mistaken (I read the DHCP RFC's more than I read the code). > I am trying to forward UDP packets from microwave bridge. Management for > bridge runs on novell. Under cisco router I forward UDP packets with the > aid of 'ip forward-protocol udp 170'. My question is how I get this > function under FreeBSD? Now I know about natd (network address > translation). Do you know another solution? > > (Next, I have other microwave bridge. This has ip, management runs on w95. > But implementation of ip stack is strange (bridge certainly isn't able to > fragmentation) and I can't use management program behind router (cisco or > FreeBSD). So I also want to use natd.) You may be looking for the wrong tool. Probably you want to use an "DIVERT" rule in the ipfw, then in the user space program at the other end of the divert, use the BPF to forward the UDP packet. Port 170 UDP is reserved for Network PostScript print servers, btw... so you are doing nasty stuff. 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 16:40:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10185 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:40:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10101 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA25420 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:09:53 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199803260039.LAA25420@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Australias CVSup server? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:09:52 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am trying to cvsup from cvsup.au.freebsd.org but I keep gett access denied messages :( Any idea why? The US server works OK.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 17:00:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13463 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:00:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsd.synx.com (rt.synx.com [194.167.81.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA13331 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:59:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from remy@synx.com) Received: from s3.synx.com (s3 [192.1.1.247]) by bsd.synx.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA14894; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:03:54 +0100 Received: from rs1 by s3.synx.com id aa10678; 26 Mar 98 1:48 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:48:37 -0100 (GMT) From: Remy NONNENMACHER To: David Greenman cc: Arman Hazairin Hasan , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang In-Reply-To: <199803252025.MAA13008@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: > > That will only help if the corruption is occuring due to a software > problem in the SCO machine. I don't think that is where the problem is; > I think it is with the routers or the 64Kbps circuit between them. > Sorry for a probably stupid question: no CISCO doing protocol translation in the path ?. If so, check for transparency of sequence CR-NULL or NULL-CR. We have got problems with that. (CR becoming CR-NULL and CR-NULL becoming CR-NULL-NULL). > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 22:09:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20670 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:09:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20388 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:06:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01872; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd001824; Wed Mar 25 23:06:49 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA26927; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:05:17 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803260605.XAA26927@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: How do you increase available SYSV shared memory? To: gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:05:15 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, eivind@yes.no, shimon@simon-shapiro.org, kgor@inetspace.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980325160643.04833@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> from "John-Mark Gurney" at Mar 25, 98 04:06:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > region in another process (ie: copy the pages if they are /dev/zero > > pages, but share them otherwise), that SYSV SHMEM is actually a > > better (in terms of performance) technology. > > what's wrong with a unix domain socket and passing the file descriptor > through the socket? How do you arrive at a central point for echanging the information? Do you use SYSV IPC? 8-) 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 22:15:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21190 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:15:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21184 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:15:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA10455; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma010453; Wed Mar 25 22:14:36 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA22640; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:14:36 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199803260614.WAA22640@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: ip forward-protocol udp 170 In-Reply-To: <199803260028.RAA21165@usr02.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Mar 26, 98 00:28:21 am" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:14:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: belkovic@albert.osu.cz, tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert writes: > > > DHCP forwarding is done by DHCP proxy (see the RFC). > > > > Is there DHCP proxy under FreeBSD? I use ISCdhcpd beta_5_14 and I think > > that it isn't DHCP proxy. > > Check out the WIDE project (Japan; origin of IIJPPP, if I recall...). > > I *thought* the most recent ISCdhcpd handled it, too, but I could > be mistaken (I read the DHCP RFC's more than I read the code). The newer version of the ISC DHCP server includes both gateway and client code. See www.isc.org. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 22:22:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22335 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:22:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22330 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:22:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA10495 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma010493; Wed Mar 25 22:22:02 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA22690 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199803260622.WAA22690@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Netscape source code release party To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:22:02 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FYI- Netscape is having a "free the lizard" source code release party.. all are invited: http://www.mozilla.org/party/ -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 23:08:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26141 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:08:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (inet16.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26128 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:08:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from HARAWAT.IN.oracle.com.ofcmail@in.oracle.com) Received: from dwarpal.in.oracle.com (dwarpal.in.oracle.com [152.69.176.11]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA25977 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by dwarpal.in.oracle.com (8.6.13/37.8) id BAA14128; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:41:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199803260641.BAA14128@dwarpal.in.oracle.com> Date: 26 Mar 98 10:26:34 +0330 From: "HARAWAT.IN.ORACLE.COM" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 4 MB pagesize MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.0.5.1.55) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is anyone planning to impleement 4 MB pages in FreeBSD like solaris 2.6 does . Harish ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harish Singh Rawat E-Mail : harawat@in.oracle.com Oracle Software India. Ltd. Voice : +91 (80) 228 3004/5 Indian Development Center ( IDC ) Fax : +91 (80) 225 - 6207/1591 Sona Towers No 71 Miller Road Bangalore-52 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 25 23:45:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00259 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:45:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00247 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:45:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01023; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:44:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199803260744.CAA01023@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: 4 MB pagesize In-Reply-To: <199803260641.BAA14128@dwarpal.in.oracle.com> from "HARAWAT.IN.ORACLE.COM" at "Mar 26, 98 10:26:34 am" To: HARAWAT.IN.oracle.com.ofcmail@in.oracle.com (HARAWAT.IN.ORACLE.COM) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:44:46 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG HARAWAT.IN.ORACLE.COM said: > > Is anyone planning to impleement 4 MB pages in FreeBSD like solaris > 2.6 does . > FreeBSD does in -current (and has for quite a while.) However, those pages are used for the kernel and device buffers (like video mem.) I do know that certain applications can gain from pre-allocated memory regions that are mapped by 4MB pages. If you have any info on the actual performance gains, it would be useful. I would certainly be willing to implement it, if it ends up giving any reasonable improvement. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 00:16:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03850 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:16:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from d182-89.uoregon.edu (d182-89.uoregon.edu [128.223.182.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03778 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:15:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by d182-89.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA24943; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:14:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980326001407.11694@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:14:07 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Terry Lambert Cc: dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu, eivind@yes.no, shimon@simon-shapiro.org, kgor@inetspace.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How do you increase available SYSV shared memory? References: <19980325160643.04833@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <199803260605.XAA26927@usr01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199803260605.XAA26927@usr01.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 06:05:15AM +0000 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert scribbled this message on Mar 26: > > > region in another process (ie: copy the pages if they are /dev/zero > > > pages, but share them otherwise), that SYSV SHMEM is actually a > > > better (in terms of performance) technology. > > > > what's wrong with a unix domain socket and passing the file descriptor > > through the socket? > > How do you arrive at a central point for echanging the information? the same way you obtain the sysv identifier... by using the file system... every one know that you don't hard code constants like this... 8-) 8-) or else you have problems like not being able to run multiple copies of your program... > Do you use SYSV IPC? 8-) 8-). well, I have when I played doom, it really was anoying to find that it wouldn't run more than once without me having to REMOVE the ipc structure that it left behind because ipc doesn't keep a usage count.. how about a nice DOS attack by someone grabing all of your SYSV shared memory?? as far as programming SYSV IPC goes, no, I don't... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 03:14:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA19030 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:14:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unionion.uion.edu.gr (unionion.uion.edu.gr [194.219.13.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA19012; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:13:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gvlachos@uion.edu.gr) Received: from gvlachos.ionio.gr by unionion.uion.edu.gr; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Mar96-0202PM) id AA09879; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:12:38 +0200 Message-Id: <351A3813.6F1F@uion.edu.gr> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:12:19 +0200 From: Giannis Vlachos Reply-To: gvlachos@uion.edu.gr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ppp log file Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello I have download and install Freebsd 2.2.2 and i have build on it a dial up access server. It works perfect and my comments are very good for freebsd. It is really a very stable operating system with a very simple installation mechanism. Very good work But because my background is not as much as i like i need your help for a problem that i have. My problem is that i need to create a log file for the users that they login from the serial ports of my access server. I need this file to contain the login time , logout time ,the date and the time that each user logins. I want it to create statistics for the trafic of my serial ports. Do you know how can i do this thing automatically !!! Thanks In advance for your time Giannis Vlachos Corfu, GREECE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 04:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24382 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:10:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA24376 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:10:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from p6ms2t15@infop6.cicrp.jussieu.fr) Received: from ibm3.cicrp.jussieu.fr (ibm3.cicrp.jussieu.fr [134.157.15.3]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.3) with SMTP id NAA28049 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:10:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from maya.infop6.cicrp.jussieu.fr by ibm3.cicrp.jussieu.fr (AIX 4.2/UCB 5.64/jn930126) id AA63260; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:11:33 +0100 Posted-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:10:28 +0100 Received: from ippc73.infop6.cicrp.jussieu.fr (ippc73 [134.157.116.73]) by maya.infop6.cicrp.jussieu.fr (8.8.5/jtpda-5.2) with SMTP id NAA21648 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:10:14 +0100 Message-Id: <351A45B4.5F836215@infop6.cicrp.jussieu.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:10:28 +0100 From: p6ms2t15 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Read data on ethernet card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'd like to make read the data on zn ethernet card (like nb packet sent, received, collision, etc...) How can i do this ? Thanks for answers Stephan losa -- --------------------------------------------- e-mail: p6ms2t15@infop6.cicrp.jussieu.fr ou remplacer infop6 par ibm9 Web: http://www.infop6.cicrp.jussieu.fr/~p6ms2t15 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 04:21:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26418 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:21:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from px.f1.ru (px.f1.ru [194.87.86.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA26412 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:21:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from am@px.f1.ru) Received: (from am@localhost) by px.f1.ru (8.8.8/amsoft/1.0) id PAA09236 ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:04:15 +0300 (MSK) From: Andrew Maltsev Message-Id: <199803261204.PAA09236@px.f1.ru> Subject: Re: list of install exclusions for `make world' In-Reply-To: <19980325213106.34958@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at "Mar 25, 98 09:31:06 pm" To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:04:14 +0300 (MSK) Cc: am@f1.ru, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: am@f1.ru Organization: F1 communications X-Phone: +7-086-229-9988 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > What about making a user configured list (empty by default) of files > > which will not be clobbered by `make world'? I think this may be > > very useful feature. For example my system have some files modified > > historically and so I have to have post-install script which restores > > some files (tcp wrappers stuff, editors, shells).. > > > > I'm planning to patch `install' to accept exclusions list and have > > something like /etc/noclobber.conf. > > Sounds expensive. > > I've started doing a build-limitation system; which allow oyu to build > only parts of the system. I think any form of exclusion list should > probably be integrated here, to avoid having to scan that exclusion > file for _each_ install command. There are a _lot_ of them. No. The file may not present at all for empty list. So it will be only one additional stat(). Another scenario may be to use ``USE_EXCLUSION_LIST=yes'' in make.conf and some flag to install. I'm ready to work on it.. But of course if you are planning to do something more universal - it would be nice. What is estimate time to release some kind of `alpha'? Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 05:28:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04463 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:28:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pandora.hh.kew.com (root@kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.94.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04452 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:28:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from software@kew.com) Received: from sonata.uucp.kew.com (sonata.hh.kew.com [192.168.203.135]) by pandora.hh.kew.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16574 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from kew.com by sonata.uucp.kew.com (UUPC/extended 1.12y) with UUCP for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:28:31 -0500 Received: from kew.com by sonata.uucp.kew.com (UUPC/extended 1.12y) with ESMTP for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:28:29 -0500 Message-ID: <351A57FC.66404740@kew.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:28:28 -0500 From: Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended software support Organization: Kendra Electronic Wonderworks, Stoneham, MA 02180 (http://www.kew.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: S/Key interfaces export restricted? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm hacking one-timer passwords (S/Key) into popper for limited road work; if the s/key interface is not export restricted, I'll be happy to submit the patch back into the port collection (and to the original authors, if they accept such input). The changes will, of course, be "#ifdef SKEY". So, are calls to the s/key library export restricted? -ahd- -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-279-9812 May the Farce be with you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 06:15:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10978 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:15:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10970 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:15:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04783; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:15:28 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09131; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:15:28 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980326151528.46729@follo.net> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:15:28 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: am@f1.ru Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: list of install exclusions for `make world' References: <19980325213106.34958@follo.net> <199803261204.PAA09236@px.f1.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199803261204.PAA09236@px.f1.ru>; from Andrew Maltsev on Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 03:04:14PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 03:04:14PM +0300, Andrew Maltsev wrote: > > > I'm planning to patch `install' to accept exclusions list and have > > > something like /etc/noclobber.conf. > > > > Sounds expensive. > > > > I've started doing a build-limitation system; which allow oyu to build > > only parts of the system. I think any form of exclusion list should > > probably be integrated here, to avoid having to scan that exclusion > > file for _each_ install command. There are a _lot_ of them. > > No. The file may not present at all for empty list. So it will > be only one additional stat(). Another scenario may be to use > ``USE_EXCLUSION_LIST=yes'' in make.conf and some flag to install. > I'm ready to work on it.. I meant that it was expensive in the case where it is used. It isn't very expensive for the null case, but we really shouldn't have any component that is O(N^2) in the number of files in the build... > But of course if you are planning to do something more universal - it > would be nice. What is estimate time to release some kind of `alpha'? Unknown, since the total amount of work in what I'm doing is about three hours, including testing. It is just a question of taking that time :-) If you need it, I can try to have it ready by monday. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 06:38:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16160 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16155 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:38:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (vzTLVpJY8w+TAAfg28RS3Ay0emOcphwb@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29657; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:38:06 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (aWld6C7/Q6Iz04pBuzTQtUSJpZQb4plj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01471; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:38:05 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199803261438.QAA01471@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended software support cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: S/Key interfaces export restricted? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:38:05 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended software support wrote: > So, are calls to the s/key library export restricted? No. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 07:56:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01833 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:56:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01721 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:56:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20198; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:56:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199803261556.HAA20198@austin.polstra.com> To: doconnor@gsoft.com.au Subject: Re: Australias CVSup server? In-Reply-To: <199803260039.LAA25420@cain.gsoft.com.au> References: <199803260039.LAA25420@cain.gsoft.com.au> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:56:00 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199803260039.LAA25420@cain.gsoft.com.au>, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to cvsup from cvsup.au.freebsd.org but I keep gett access denied > messages :( > Any idea why? > The US server works OK.. For questions like this, your best bet is to contact the maintainer of the mirror. They are listed in the FreeBSD Handbook in section 23.4 (currently) "CVSup Sites". The maintainer for the Australian mirror is ... (drum roll) ... . If I had to guess, I'd say the problem is due to heavy loads because of the recent release of 2.2.6. Another possibility is that the site upgraded to CVSup 15.3 without noticing that the revamped access control mechanism isn't _quite_ fully backward compatible. In particular, if there exists a "cvsupd.access" file, the default rule is now to deny access. This is compatible for what I guessed was the most common setup ("-C 0"), but it is incompatible for some other cases. I didn't document this well enough in the Announce file, though it is documented in the manual page. I will contact the maintainer of the site just to make sure he knows about this. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 08:29:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09671 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:29:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09656 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:29:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA00751; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:28:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:28:51 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: p6ms2t15 cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Read data on ethernet card In-Reply-To: <351A45B4.5F836215@infop6.cicrp.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG man netstat On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, p6ms2t15 wrote: > Hi, > I'd like to make read the data on zn ethernet card (like nb packet sent, > received, collision, etc...) > How can i do this ? > Thanks for answers > Stephan losa > -- > --------------------------------------------- > e-mail: p6ms2t15@infop6.cicrp.jussieu.fr > ou remplacer infop6 par ibm9 > > Web: http://www.infop6.cicrp.jussieu.fr/~p6ms2t15 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 09:00:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14745 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:00:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14702 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ambrisko@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10553 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from crab.whistle.com(207.76.205.112) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd010548; Thu Mar 26 16:51:57 1998 Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by crab.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id IAA02734 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:51:20 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <199803261651.IAA02734@crab.whistle.com> Subject: Re: ip forward-protocol udp 170 In-Reply-To: <199803260614.WAA22640@bubba.whistle.com> from Archie Cobbs at "Mar 25, 98 10:14:36 pm" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:51:20 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL29 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Archie Cobbs writes: | Terry Lambert writes: | > > > DHCP forwarding is done by DHCP proxy (see the RFC). | > > | > > Is there DHCP proxy under FreeBSD? I use ISCdhcpd beta_5_14 and I think | > > that it isn't DHCP proxy. | > | > Check out the WIDE project (Japan; origin of IIJPPP, if I recall...). | > | > I *thought* the most recent ISCdhcpd handled it, too, but I could | > be mistaken (I read the DHCP RFC's more than I read the code). | | The newer version of the ISC DHCP server includes both | gateway and client code. See www.isc.org. Things might be different now, but the client stuff was only in the beta releases. Doug A. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 11:26:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07973 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:26:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07883 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28283; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:26:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:26:09 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended software support cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: S/Key interfaces export restricted? In-Reply-To: <351A57FC.66404740@kew.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Before you do this, you might want to check qpooper, erm qpopper. While it can be a bit wacky at times with bulletin delivery, it includes s/key support if built from the port: -|super-g|-$ telnet pop.inch.com 110 Trying 207.240.140.101... Connected to pop.inch.com. Escape character is '^]'. +OK QPOP (version 2.4b2) at arutam.inch.com starting. <27325.890940269@arutam.inch.com> user spork +OK s/key 86 ut16018 Charles Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- "I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man Just a mortal with potential of a superman I'm living on" -DB On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended software support wrote: > I'm hacking one-timer passwords (S/Key) into popper for limited road work; if > the s/key interface is not export restricted, I'll be happy to submit the > patch back into the port collection (and to the original authors, if they > accept such input). The changes will, of course, be "#ifdef SKEY". > > So, are calls to the s/key library export restricted? > > -ahd- > > -- > Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com > Telephone: 617-279-9812 > > May the Farce be with you. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 11:54:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12137 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12044 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:54:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id OAA29315 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:50:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:54:36 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mssdflt size 512? or 536? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was just thumbinb through the sysctl's of my freebsd -current box and a bsdi 3.1 box, and comparing the set sizes and options inboth sysctl trees on the OS's to the figures in vol. I of TCP/IP illustrated. What is the actual correct dflt MSS size? 512? or 536? Im asking for purely academic reasons. stevens says most BSD imlementations need to be multiples of 512 which ours is (512), but he also says if no mss option is found on the other end it defaults to 536. Whic is not a multiple of 512. I prefer ours of 512 sticking to the fact it has to be a multiple of 512, but on the other hand whats the point of setting our mssdflt to 512 if by default it goes to 536 if no mss option is found on the connection? Interesting indeed. Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 12:32:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17633 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17598 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:32:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA11850; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:32:12 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA11849; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:32:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980326213205.04948@follo.net> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:32:05 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: am@f1.ru Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: list of install exclusions for `make world' References: <19980325213106.34958@follo.net> <199803261204.PAA09236@px.f1.ru> <19980326151528.46729@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980326151528.46729@follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 03:15:28PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 03:15:28PM +0100, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > But of course if you are planning to do something more universal - it > > would be nice. What is estimate time to release some kind of `alpha'? > > Unknown, since the total amount of work in what I'm doing is about > three hours, including testing. It is just a question of taking that > time :-) If you need it, I can try to have it ready by monday. Following up on my own comment: Here are the patches. It's not quite monday yet, but these aren't heavily tested yet, so it probably won't be in the tree before monday anyway. Feedback (both negative and positive) welcome. Eivind. Index: bsd.subdir.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk,v retrieving revision 1.22 diff -u -r1.22 bsd.subdir.mk --- bsd.subdir.mk 1998/03/26 16:02:44 1.22 +++ bsd.subdir.mk 1998/03/26 20:20:25 @@ -20,6 +20,13 @@ # Each of the targets will execute the same target in the # subdirectories. # +# SDIR_OVERRIDE A directory-tree that contains overrides for +# corresponding build subdirs. +# Each override is a file containing one subdirname per line: +# 'subdirlist' is a pure override +# 'subdirdrop' removes directories from the build +# 'subdiradd' adds directories to the build +# # +++ targets +++ # # distribute: @@ -34,9 +41,21 @@ .MAIN: all +.if exists(${SDIR_OVERRIDE}/${DIRPRFX}/subdirlist) +SUBDIR!=cat ${SDIR_OVERRIDE}/${DIRPRFX}/subdirlist +.endif + +.if exists(${SDIR_OVERRIDE}/${DIRPRFX}/subdiradd) +_SUBDIR_EXTRA!=cat ${SDIR_OVERRIDE}/${DIRPRFX}/subdiradd +.endif + _SUBDIRUSE: .USE - @for entry in ${SUBDIR}; do \ - (if test -d ${.CURDIR}/$${entry}.${MACHINE}; then \ + @for entry in ${SUBDIR} ${_SUBDIR_EXTRA}; do \ + (if ! (test -f ${SDIR_OVERRIDE}/${DIRPRFX}/subdirdrop && \ + grep -w $${entry} \ + ${SDIR_OVERRIDE}/${DIRPRFX}/subdirdrop \ + > /dev/null); then \ + if test -d ${.CURDIR}/$${entry}.${MACHINE}; then \ ${ECHODIR} "===> ${DIRPRFX}$${entry}.${MACHINE}"; \ edir=$${entry}.${MACHINE}; \ cd ${.CURDIR}/$${edir}; \ @@ -44,8 +63,12 @@ ${ECHODIR} "===> ${DIRPRFX}$$entry"; \ edir=$${entry}; \ cd ${.CURDIR}/$${edir}; \ + fi; \ + ${MAKE} ${.TARGET:realinstall=install} \ + SDIR_OVERRIDE=${SDIR_OVERRIDE} \ + DIRPRFX=${DIRPRFX}$$edir/; \ fi; \ - ${MAKE} ${.TARGET:realinstall=install} DIRPRFX=${DIRPRFX}$$edir/); \ + ); \ done ${SUBDIR}:: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 12:40:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19269 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:40:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19151 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:40:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id PAA09274 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:36:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:40:17 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ellipse ftp server? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just curious how this ftp server stacks up performance wise to our ftpd or even wu-ftp? http://www.ellipse.org/ wonder how well it stacks up to wcarchives DG-ftp :) Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 12:43:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19866 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:43:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au [203.17.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19847 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:42:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.23.1]) by gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IV5IY4UKQO003K5Q@gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:38:49 +1000 Received: from cbd.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-10 #9238) with ESMTP id <01IV5IY2N0N490NCWO@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:38:46 +1000 Received: from gsms01.alcatel.com.au by cbd.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IV5IY0135SAZTN01@cbd.alcatel.com.au>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:38:42 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsms01.alcatel.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) id HAA23930; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:38:41 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:38:41 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Interrupt windows in FreeBSD To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk, regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk Message-id: <199803262038.HAA23930@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I've previously mentioned (see my mail here on 15-Mar-1998 and PR kern/6099) I have been having problems with LPIP (as have a couple of other people - see PRs kern/1271 and i386/5698). I've now tracked down what appears to be at least one cause of the problem. According to the comments in sys/mbuf.h, all mbuf manipulation should be protected by splimp() (or higher). The problem is that the LPIP code never adds the lpt interrupt to net_imask. This means that an LPIP interrupt can break mbuf critical regions. (I haven't had a chance to actually build a new kernel and check this). The other area where LPIP interacts with the non-interrupt code is via ipintrq. Again, according to the comments in net/if.h, the queue manipulation routines should only be called at splimp() or greater. There are a number of cases where it is called at splnet(), although none of these seem to be manipulating ipintrq. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 13:02:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24214 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:02:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sparks.net (exim@[208.221.75.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA23785 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:01:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@sparks.net) Received: from david by sparks.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #5) id 0yIJXE-0003yI-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:46:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:45:59 -0500 (EST) From: To: "Ron G. Minnich" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ARP REQUEST question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Ron G. Minnich wrote: > On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: > > Switches should be checking the CRC on inbound packets and discarding > > them if it is bad, so I don't see a problem. > > No problem if the crc on the inbound packet is bad. Discard it. Suppose > there's a problem though between the 'inbound crc check' and the 'outbound > crc generate' such that one bit in the packet is corrupted. Say, a pattern > that results in a marginal component internal to the switch corrupting > data, then the corrupt data is used to generate crc-32 on the outgoing > side. Boom, corrupted packet, no indication. This can and does happen. > > Checksums have to be end-to-end. What meaning does an arp entry have for an interface which is not on a local interface? And if it *is* on a local interface, the level two error checking should handle it. > Most recent (humorous) example: Don Becker reports that he detected > problems with gigabit ethernet cards via IP checksums. The problems > occured (yikes!) on the destination machine, as the data was transferred > from the card to main memory. No crc-32 error can catch that one, since > it's already been checked on the card. Ouch. Uhmm, using software to determine whether the hardware which is running on it is functioning properly sounds generally self-defeating. --- David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's *amazing* what one can accomplish when one doesn't know what one can't do! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 14:42:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04579 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04571 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:42:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13558; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:42:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <351AD9C9.61D438F8@dal.net> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:42:17 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Ambrisko CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ip forward-protocol udp 170 References: <199803261651.IAA02734@crab.whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Ambrisko wrote: > | The newer version of the ISC DHCP server includes both > | gateway and client code. See www.isc.org. > > Things might be different now, but the client stuff was only in the beta > releases. True, however it's very stable. Check out http://home.san.rr.com/freebsd/dhcp.html for info on setting up the client. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 14:43:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04713 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:43:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04616; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:42:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA08234; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:36:20 GMT (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199803262136.VAA08234@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: gvlachos@uion.edu.gr cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp log file In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:12:19 +0200." <351A3813.6F1F@uion.edu.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:36:20 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you get the latest ppp from http://www.FreeBSD.org/~brian, all -direct connections are entered in utmp. You get these statistics for free with the ``last'' command. > Hello > > I have download and install Freebsd 2.2.2 and i have build on it a dial > up access server. It works perfect and my comments are very good for > freebsd. It is really a very stable operating system with a very simple > installation mechanism. Very good work > > But because my background is not as much as i like i need your help for > a problem that i have. > > My problem is that i need to create a log file for the users that they > login from the serial ports of my access server. > > I need this file to contain the login time , logout time ,the date and > the time that each user logins. > > I want it to create statistics for the trafic of my serial ports. > Do you know how can i do this thing automatically !!! > > Thanks In advance for your time > > Giannis Vlachos > Corfu, GREECE > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 15:33:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11332 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:33:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11327 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:33:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27477; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:33:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803262333.PAA27477@implode.root.com> To: Open Systems Networking cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mssdflt size 512? or 536? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:54:36 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:33:24 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I was just thumbinb through the sysctl's of my freebsd -current box and a >bsdi 3.1 box, and comparing the set sizes and options inboth sysctl trees >on the OS's to the figures in vol. I of TCP/IP illustrated. > >What is the actual correct dflt MSS size? 512? or 536? >Im asking for purely academic reasons. >stevens says most BSD imlementations need to be multiples of 512 which >ours is (512), but he also says if no mss option is found on the other end >it defaults to 536. Whic is not a multiple of 512. I prefer ours of 512 >sticking to the fact it has to be a multiple of 512, but on the other hand >whats the point of setting our mssdflt to 512 if by default it goes to 536 >if no mss option is found on the connection? The official non-local network mss default for implementations that don't support Path MTU Discovery is 512. FreeBSD has PMTU Discovery, however, so the default starts at the interface MTU and goes down from there depending on what it learns from the network. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 15:39:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12119 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:39:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12102 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:39:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA02929; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:09:03 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199803262339.KAA02929@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: John Polstra cc: doconnor@gsoft.com.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Australias CVSup server? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:56:00 -0800." <199803261556.HAA20198@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:09:02 +1030 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Any idea why? > > The US server works OK.. > For questions like this, your best bet is to contact the maintainer > of the mirror. They are listed in the FreeBSD Handbook in section > 23.4 (currently) "CVSup Sites". The maintainer for the Australian > mirror is ... (drum roll) ... . Hmm.. sounds like a good idea =) > Another possibility is that the site upgraded to CVSup 15.3 without > noticing that the revamped access control mechanism isn't _quite_ > fully backward compatible. In particular, if there exists a Doh.. Thanks for the help. I thought I had screwed my setup up.. cvsup is black magic :-/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 15:45:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13273 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:45:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13040 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:43:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ambrisko@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25733; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from crab.whistle.com(207.76.205.112) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd025727; Thu Mar 26 23:31:57 1998 Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by crab.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id PAA01967; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:28:30 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <199803262328.PAA01967@crab.whistle.com> Subject: Re: ip forward-protocol udp 170 In-Reply-To: <351AD9C9.61D438F8@dal.net> from Studded at "Mar 26, 98 02:42:17 pm" To: Studded@dal.net (Studded) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:28:29 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL29 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Studded writes: | Doug Ambrisko wrote: | | > | The newer version of the ISC DHCP server includes both | > | gateway and client code. See www.isc.org. | > | > Things might be different now, but the client stuff was only in the beta | > releases. | | True, however it's very stable. Check out | http://home.san.rr.com/freebsd/dhcp.html for info on setting up the | client. Yes, I would say it is very stable. Been using it in our manufacturing process for a year or so and on my laptop. Setting it up wasn't to bad, but it was harder (I think) then the server. Doug A. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 17:38:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01550 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:38:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01453 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28420; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:37:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803270137.RAA28420@implode.root.com> To: Open Systems Networking cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mssdflt size 512? or 536? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:12:28 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:37:52 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (re-cc'd to hackers - hope that's okay) >On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: > >> The official non-local network mss default for implementations that >> don't support Path MTU Discovery is 512. FreeBSD has PMTU Discovery, >> however, so the default starts at the interface MTU and goes down from >> there depending on what it learns from the network. > >Ok I can understand that. So the sysctl variable is misleading? >Since my MTU is 1500, default MSS should be 1500 to start and then >negotiate from 1500 down? Yes, actually it starts at (1500-tcp/ip header size)=1460. It's even more complicated than this; for inbound connections, it's actually the lower of {offered mss, interface MTU}, with the tcp_mssdflt (the sysctl variable) being used if the peer offers no mss in the SYN segment. ...and of course, if there is a route (e.g., the peer has previously connected and a clone host route is still cached), then that value is used instead of the interface MTU. ...and if there is a route with the MTU 'lock' flag set, then that is used as the minimum mss. So for instance if you wanted to disable Path MTU Discovery, then you'd do something like this with the default route: route add default 165.113.121.82 -lock -mtu 1500 ...which is what I do on wcarchive since we get too many complaints from people who have broken firewalls and don't know it. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 19:27:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16339 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:27:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (AMALTHEA.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16328 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:26:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (n235-103.mtholyoke.edu [138.110.235.103]) by cyrus.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA12711 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:26:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:28:21 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Simple Virtual Private Network ToolKit Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am currently in the process of putting together a simple VPN toolkit using the FreeBSD Tunnel Device (/dev/tun?), and was wondering if existing work existed in this area. I have running code (yay! :) that uses the point-to-point support in the tunnel device, and uses a UDP transport to send/receive between two FreeBSD with some amount of flow-control and fault tolerance (i.e., if a network segment between the two machines goes down, it doesn't get too upset). Given the nice framework provided by the tunnel device, this was really simple to stick in. However, I am about to start adding some more significant features (authentication/encryption -- I'm currently using SKIP for this, and have a number of other features in mind, including more friendly fragmentation, etc). So I was wondering if a) there is existing work in this area, and assuming there is not, is there interest in the FreeBSD community in my making such work public? I was thinking of putting together a freely-available (e.g., BSD license) simple VPN toolkit. Thanks, Robert Watson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 21:36:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28667 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:36:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28620 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:36:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA15872; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:36:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:36:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Robert Watson cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple Virtual Private Network ToolKit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Robert Watson wrote: > I am currently in the process of putting together a simple VPN toolkit > using the FreeBSD Tunnel Device (/dev/tun?), and was wondering if > existing work existed in this area. I'm working on a kernel level tunnel driver that would in theory be easy to hack the features you describe into. I've taken a very generalized approach to the actual encapsulation so plugging new routines in the processing path should be just a matter of code. tunnel0: flags=11 mtu 1480 inet 10.0.5.1 --> 10.0.5.2 netmask 0xfffffffe transport: (INET) src 10.0.1.60 dst 10.0.1.10 media: IPIP(94) status: ready supported media: ENCAP(98) IPIP(94) GRE(47) IP_ENCAP(4) I've not got as far as implementing UDP tunnels or ICMP tunnels :) but such things are possible as is IPX over IP etc. /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 22:22:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04159 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:22:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04143 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:22:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (VOlwV1T/4uDLipWBnYi3tNUfmxK3nSll@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01306; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:22:37 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (J7ZmSPDcdhC83nKBUPc0B1wcAyoIDVuu@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11174; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:22:21 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199803270622.IAA11174@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Robert Watson cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple Virtual Private Network ToolKit Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:21:48 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Robert Watson wrote: > I am currently in the process of putting together a simple VPN toolkit > using the FreeBSD Tunnel Device (/dev/tun?), and was wondering if existing > work existed in this area. [Sniii... > ...iiiipp!] So I was wondering if > a) there is existing work in this area, and assuming there is not, is > there interest in the FreeBSD community in my making such work public? I > was thinking of putting together a freely-available (e.g., BSD license) > simple VPN toolkit. Have a look at 'kip' in FreeBSD with KerberosIV installed. This provides a Kerberised IP tunnel between two similarly configured machines. I would certainly be interested in your work :-) M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 22:28:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05106 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:28:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05099 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:28:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09077; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:27:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199803270627.WAA09077@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mark Murray cc: Robert Watson , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple Virtual Private Network ToolKit In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:21:48 +0200." <199803270622.IAA11174@greenpeace.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:27:49 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Robert Watson wrote: > > I am currently in the process of putting together a simple VPN toolkit > > using the FreeBSD Tunnel Device (/dev/tun?), and was wondering if existing > > work existed in this area. [Sniii... > > ...iiiipp!] So I was wondering if > > a) there is existing work in this area, and assuming there is not, is > > there interest in the FreeBSD community in my making such work public? I > > was thinking of putting together a freely-available (e.g., BSD license) > > simple VPN toolkit. > > Have a look at 'kip' in FreeBSD with KerberosIV installed. This provides ^^^ Did you mean Skip? Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 22:58:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09911 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:58:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09888 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:58:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (lXmN/pvVwbZ+6BNCI1KpfXH4XiFITiuF@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01399; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:58:11 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (FnaaN4I/3lTeal52xmUwmHsJahEg0WgU@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00265; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:58:10 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199803270658.IAA00265@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Amancio Hasty cc: Robert Watson , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple Virtual Private Network ToolKit Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:58:09 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Have a look at 'kip' in FreeBSD with KerberosIV installed. This provides > ^^^ Did you mean Skip? No - Kerberised IP. :-) M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 23:19:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12520 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:19:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12512 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:19:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24201 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:49:16 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA00588; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:49:15 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980327174915.60538@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:49:15 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: How to check out 2.2.6-RELEASE? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've just spent a fair amount of time trying to check out 2.2.6-RELEASE. Here's the command: cvs co -r 2.2.6-RELEASE src Nothing significant gets checked out. cvs updates a few housekeeping files and checks nothing out. I had no problem checking out 2.2.5 with the with the corresponding command. I did a bit of snooping around in $CVSROOT/CVSROOT and found a file val-tags, last updated on 22 February. It contained RELENG_2_2_5_RELEASE, but not RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE. I added RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE, and voilà! I can now check it out. Question: is this an omission in the CVS update, or should I do something else to get cvs to understand the new tag? Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 26 23:38:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15214 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:38:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15205 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05684; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:38:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: How to check out 2.2.6-RELEASE? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:49:15 +1030." <19980327174915.60538@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:38:30 -0800 Message-ID: <5680.890984310@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've just spent a fair amount of time trying to check out > 2.2.6-RELEASE. Here's the command: > > cvs co -r 2.2.6-RELEASE src Wrong. > RELENG_2_2_5_RELEASE, but not RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE. I added > RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE, and voilà! I can now check it out. Right. :-) For a convenient "glossary of tags" it's often the easiest thing to do just to say: cd /usr/src cvs log Makefile | more (see first couple of screenfulls). Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 00:25:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18796 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:25:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18790 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:25:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24256; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:55:18 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA00708; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:55:17 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980327185517.11456@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:55:17 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: How to check out 2.2.6-RELEASE? References: <19980327174915.60538@freebie.lemis.com> <5680.890984310@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <5680.890984310@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 11:38:30PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 26 March 1998 at 23:38:30 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> I've just spent a fair amount of time trying to check out >> 2.2.6-RELEASE. Here's the command: >> >> cvs co -r 2.2.6-RELEASE src > > Wrong. Right. This was a typo in the message, not in what I was doing. Sorry about that. What I really typed was # cvs co -r RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE src It didn't work until I changed $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/taginfo. >> RELENG_2_2_5_RELEASE, but not RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE. I added >> RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE, and voilà! I can now check it out. > > Right. :-) > > For a convenient "glossary of tags" it's often the easiest thing > to do just to say: > > cd /usr/src > cvs log Makefile | more > (see first couple of screenfulls). What I did was in fact: # cvs log /usr/src/Makefile|less In case there's any doubt here, I still claim things don't work that way. I tried exactly what you suggested, but it didn't work until I modified taginfo. What'd going on here? Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 05:07:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20963 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:07:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pandora.hh.kew.com (root@kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.94.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20957 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:07:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from software@kew.com) Received: from sonata.uucp.kew.com (sonata.hh.kew.com [192.168.203.135]) by pandora.hh.kew.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02069; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from kew.com by sonata.uucp.kew.com (UUPC/extended 1.12y) with UUCP for multiple addressees; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:07:21 -0500 Received: from kew.com by sonata.uucp.kew.com (UUPC/extended 1.12y) with ESMTP for multiple addresses; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:07:18 -0500 Message-ID: <351BA486.75FB2644@kew.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:07:18 -0500 From: Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended software support Organization: Kendra Electronic Wonderworks, Stoneham, MA 02180 (http://www.kew.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: spork CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: S/Key interfaces export restricted? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended software support wrote: > > > I'm hacking one-timer passwords (S/Key) into popper for limited road work; if > > the s/key interface is not export restricted, I'll be happy to submit the > > patch back into the port collection (and to the original authors, if they > > accept such input). The changes will, of course, be "#ifdef SKEY". > > > > So, are calls to the s/key library export restricted? spork wrote: > Before you do this, you might want to check qpooper, erm qpopper. While > it can be a bit wacky at times with bulletin delivery, it includes s/key > support if built from the port: I didn't know that -- clearly, I didn't look deep enough. I saw it had APOP support, which is the standard, but didn't notice the S/Key. > -|super-g|-$ telnet pop.inch.com 110 > Trying 207.240.140.101... > Connected to pop.inch.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > +OK QPOP (version 2.4b2) at arutam.inch.com starting. For reasons which now escape me, I hacked straight 2.4, not the beta, so maybe a change was made in between. > <27325.890940269@arutam.inch.com> > user spork > +OK s/key 86 ut16018 Unfortunately, I may *still* need to hack the bloody thing. The client is Netscape Communicator, which definitely doesn't understand APOP or (it appears) S/key, and so the "bad password" message in pop_pass.c needs to include the s/key challenge for the user (since Netscape only reports error messages, not OK responses.) Maybe that was fixed in the beta as well. I'll look at the port in detail before going further. -ahd- -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-279-9812 "Sad, really, isn't it? People spend all their time making nice things and other people come along and break them." -- Dr. Who?, "The Enemy of the World:3" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 05:32:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26558 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:32:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA26539 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:32:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA16558; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:56:56 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803271156.MAA16558@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Anyone tried this ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:56:55 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone tried this ? It looks like an interesting application. I tried the binaries but without success -- the Linux client seems to die on a Connect (maybe an emulation problem) and the Win32 on NT seems to hang... Recompiling might not be difficult for someone who knows how to fix the Xfree config files... which is not me! cheers luigi > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: 26 MAR 1998 21:36:05 -0800 > From: Alan Strassberg > Newgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc, comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, > comp.os.386bsd.questions, comp.sys.next.misc > Subject: Re: WANTED: Allowing two users to run one program together. > > In article , C.T.Nadovich wrote: > >I'm looking for some sort of program that runs under BSD (actually, > >NextStep) that would allow two users to connect their screens and > >keyboards to a single instance of a program. > > check out: > > http://www.orl.co.uk/vnc/ > > Here's a clip from the Announce ... > > ORL, the Olivetti & Oracle Research Laboratory, has made available the > first public release of the Virtual Network Computing (VNC) system. > > VNC is, in essence, a remote display system which allows you to view a > computing 'desktop' environment not only on the machine where it is > running, but from anywhere on the Internet and from a wide variety of > machine architectures. > > Many of us at ORL, for example, use a VNC viewer running on a Windows > PC on our desks to display our Unix environments which are running on > a large server in the machine room downstairs. > > ... > alan > > -- > alan@wj.com > -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 05:47:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28895 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:47:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA28886 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:46:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA) Received: from Shevchenko.Kiev.UA (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00611; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:42:38 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <351BACBB.E7B3594F@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:42:22 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua Organization: GlavAPU X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone tried this ? References: <199803271156.MAA16558@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Has anyone tried this ? > > It looks like an interesting application. I tried the binaries but > without success -- the Linux client seems to die on a Connect (maybe an > emulation problem) and the Win32 on NT seems to hang... > > /usr/ports/net/vnc It is work, but very slow. -- @= //RSSH mailto:Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 05:49:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29267 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:49:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29254 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:49:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26040; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:49:03 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA14477; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:49:02 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980327144902.45131@follo.net> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:49:02 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Luigi Rizzo , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone tried this ? References: <199803271156.MAA16558@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199803271156.MAA16558@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 12:56:55PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 12:56:55PM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Has anyone tried this ? > > It looks like an interesting application. I tried the binaries but > without success -- the Linux client seems to die on a Connect (maybe an > emulation problem) and the Win32 on NT seems to hang... > > Recompiling might not be difficult for someone who knows how to fix the > Xfree config files... which is not me! # cd /usr/ports/net/vnc && make && make install Hey, the computer seems to know all by itself ;-) (More properly: All by Mike Smith...) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 07:06:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10377 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:06:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cache1.telkomsel.co.id ([202.155.14.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10362 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:06:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arman@ai3.net) Received: from mail.Telkomsel.co.id (mail.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.83.4]) by cache1.telkomsel.co.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06655; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:15:15 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from ai3.net (dumb.HQ.Telkomsel.co.id [10.1.80.217]) by mail.Telkomsel.co.id (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03220; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:14:06 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <351C24D0.42426840@ai3.net> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:14:40 +0000 From: Arman Hazairin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Remy NONNENMACHER , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TCP connection hang References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Remy NONNENMACHER wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: > > > > > That will only help if the corruption is occuring due to a software > > problem in the SCO machine. I don't think that is where the problem is; > > I think it is with the routers or the 64Kbps circuit between them. > > > > Sorry for a probably stupid question: no CISCO doing protocol translation > in the path ?. If so, check for transparency of sequence CR-NULL or > NULL-CR. We have got problems with that. (CR becoming CR-NULL and CR-NULL > becoming CR-NULL-NULL). > > > -DG > > > > David Greenman > > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project Btw, thanks for all information, as a shortcut I turn on 'compress stac' on Cisco interface. This will change the byte stream that flow out of that interface, in the end will eliminate 'magic byte sequence' that make problem. So far so good. I come close to the conclusion that the problem is within the transmission path between the two routers. regards, -arman- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 09:47:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01543 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaric.UkrCard.COM (ukrcard-gu.gu.net [194.93.170.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01513 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:47:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@UkrCard.COM) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by solaric.UkrCard.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01097 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:46:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from alex@solaric.UkrCard.COM) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:46:33 +0200 (EET) From: Alexander Tatmaniants To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2.6-stable & devfs & sysmouse ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, First of all, is devfs useable in 2.2.6-stable? When should I perform mount itself? What is meaning of undocumented kernel option DEVFS_ROOT? And a small patch to syscons to register sysmouse device with devfs, if should be usefull in order to make moused and X coexist together, it works fine for me when I perform mount -t devfs devfs /devs, as man devfs says. Index: syscons.c =================================================================== RCS file: /src/ncvs/src/sys/i386/isa/syscons.c,v retrieving revision 1.182.2.31 diff -u -b -r1.182.2.31 syscons.c --- syscons.c 1998/02/28 05:16:14 1.182.2.31 +++ syscons.c 1998/03/27 16:46:25 @@ -134,7 +134,7 @@ static scr_stat main_console; static scr_stat *console[MAXCONS]; #ifdef DEVFS -static void *sc_devfs_token[MAXCONS]; +static void *sc_devfs_token[MAXCONS + 1]; #endif scr_stat *cur_console; static scr_stat *new_scp, *old_scp; @@ -772,6 +772,9 @@ for (vc = 0; vc < MAXCONS; vc++) sc_devfs_token[vc] = devfs_add_devswf(&scdevsw, vc, DV_CHR, UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0600, "ttyv%n", vc); + sc_devfs_token[MAXCONS] = devfs_add_devswf(&scdevsw, SC_MOUSE, DV_CHR, + UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0600, + "sysmouse"); #endif return 0; } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 09:58:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03584 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:58:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03541 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:58:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id LAA10093; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:58:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:02:42 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone tried this ? In-Reply-To: <199803271156.MAA16558@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Has anyone tried this ? > > It looks like an interesting application. I tried the binaries but > without success -- the Linux client seems to die on a Connect (maybe an > emulation problem) and the Win32 on NT seems to hang... > > Recompiling might not be difficult for someone who knows how to fix the > Xfree config files... which is not me! I tried out the port mike did of vnc, the java version as well. It is slower than sin when using a the java version with your web browser. But the X version and windows versions are not that bad even over dialup. I showed it to a friend at a local corporation and hes now installing it on all new windows pc's that get built there for the lan users so he can trouble shoot and isntall hardware and software remotely for them :) VNC is pretty cool. I was using it to launch M$ Word over dialup heh from a friends NT machine! It is fairly fast. Except when the person your connecting to is running REAL high res. and like 16.7 million colors. But 800x600 x 256 isnt bad. I was even half temtped to try lauching quake or one of his games over their LAN connection from my X box to see If it would work :) I give VNC a 9 on the cool scale. Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 10:43:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10395 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:43:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10361 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:43:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21675; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:43:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd021641; Fri Mar 27 11:43:33 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25621; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:43:26 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803271843.LAA25621@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: S/Key interfaces export restricted? To: software@kew.com (Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended software support) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:43:25 +0000 (GMT) Cc: spork@super-g.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <351BA486.75FB2644@kew.com> from "Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended software support" at Mar 27, 98 08:07:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I'm hacking one-timer passwords (S/Key) into popper for limited > > > road work; if the s/key interface is not export restricted, I'll > > > be happy to submit the patch back into the port collection (and > > > to the original authors, if they accept such input). The > > > changes will, of course, be "#ifdef SKEY". > > spork wrote: > > Before you do this, you might want to check qpooper, erm qpopper. While > > it can be a bit wacky at times with bulletin delivery, it includes s/key > > support if built from the port: > > I didn't know that -- clearly, I didn't look deep enough. I saw it had APOP > support, which is the standard, but didn't notice the S/Key. > > > -|super-g|-$ telnet pop.inch.com 110 > > Trying 207.240.140.101... > > Connected to pop.inch.com. > > Escape character is '^]'. > > +OK QPOP (version 2.4b2) at arutam.inch.com starting. > > For reasons which now escape me, I hacked straight 2.4, not the beta, so maybe > a change was made in between. > > > <27325.890940269@arutam.inch.com> > > user spork > > +OK s/key 86 ut16018 > > Unfortunately, I may *still* need to hack the bloody thing. The client is > Netscape Communicator, which definitely doesn't understand APOP or (it > appears) S/key, and so the "bad password" message in pop_pass.c needs to > include the s/key challenge for the user (since Netscape only reports error > messages, not OK responses.) Maybe that was fixed in the beta as well. Before going too much farther, you should read about the POP "AUTH" command in RFC1734. You can get a copy at: http://www.imc.org/rfc1734 The AUTH command is the correct way to add support for authentication types *other* than USER/PASS or APOP. You may also want to look at the existing CRAM-MD5 extension, which is described in RFC2195: http://www.imc.org/rfc2195 You may also want to look at RFC2078 (GSSAPI) and RFC2222 (SASL), which deal with generalizing the authentication API. Specifically, there is alread a registration for SKEY for SASL, which is described in the context of an IMAP session in RFC2222, section 7.3: http://www.imc.org/rfc2222 The IANA registered types are updated at: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/sasl-mechanisms You should notice that the SKEY registration is "owned" by Netsacpe: John G. Myers So at a minimum, there's probably already a plugin for Netscape to support this. In general, if you can't find a standard for doing something, you're probably not looking hard enough. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 10:44:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10628 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:44:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10591 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:44:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07953; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:44:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: How to check out 2.2.6-RELEASE? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:55:17 +1030." <19980327185517.11456@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:44:29 -0800 Message-ID: <7950.891024269@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In case there's any doubt here, I still claim things don't work that > way. I tried exactly what you suggested, but it didn't work until I > modified taginfo. What'd going on here? You're somehow getting a bogus copy of the repository? It works fine for me, no modifications necessary. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 10:50:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12093 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:50:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12087 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:50:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08023; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:50:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone tried this ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:56:55 +0100." <199803271156.MAA16558@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:50:16 -0800 Message-ID: <8018.891024616@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Has anyone tried this ? Yeah, it's in the ports collection. :) Mike Smith, the guy who imported it, showed it off to me shortly afterwards and it looked pretty neat. Slow as hell with the Java client, but still neat. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 10:55:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13537 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:55:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13477 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:54:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11636; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:54:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199803271854.KAA11636@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Luigi Rizzo , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone tried this ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:50:16 PST." <8018.891024616@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:54:20 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I found the performance acceptable for reading mail with exmh thats a huge tcl/tk script gui front end to mh plus glimpse. The glimpse component is used as search engine for your mail folders. Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 10:58:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14633 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA14608 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:58:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA17022; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:22:32 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803271722.SAA17022@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Anyone tried this ? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:22:32 +0100 (MET) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803271854.KAA11636@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Mar 27, 98 10:54:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I found the performance acceptable for reading mail with exmh thats > a huge tcl/tk script gui front end to mh plus glimpse. The glimpse > component is used as search engine for your mail folders. i suspect (also stated in the notes) that the slowness is more on the Win32 server component. Probably the opposite of what you are using. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 11:06:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16707 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:06:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsd (rt.synx.com [194.167.81.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16601 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:06:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from remy@synx.com) Received: from s3.synx.com (s3 [192.1.1.247]) by bsd (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04562 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:10:47 +0100 Received: from rs1 by s3.synx.com id aa01562; 27 Mar 98 19:55 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:55:29 -0100 (GMT) From: Remy NONNENMACHER To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DHCP DNS driven Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, I need to find a bootpd able to answer DHCP requests by resolving name -> address via DNS. For the moment, i hacked the ISC-DHCP2 to have this works but that's ugly. (mapping the client-id to the host-name). My problem is that developpers use removable disks so that hardware addresses changes every time and DHCP make a mess of leases. I can't believe that nobody never ran on this problem. Any thought about DHCP understood has 'DNS' Host Configuration Protocol ? Greetings. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 11:11:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17932 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:11:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17894 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:10:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA21148; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:10:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:10:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Free BERT 77 Version (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is worth looking at. I have not tried it in compatibility mode. But the application to freebsd clusters might be neat. ron Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:33:23 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas Eadline To: extreme-linux@acl.lanl.gov Cc: beowulf@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov Subject: Free BERT 77 Version My apologies if you get this message twice: We have just released a free version of BERT 77 optimizing parallel conversion tool for FORTRAN. You can get it at: ftp://ftp.plogic.com/plogic/ The file name is: bert-1.05l-ix86-linux We expect to have many more "Beowulf" profiles in the next release (about 3 months). But for now, it should help with Beowulf applications. We will be integrating this link in to our web site next week. Doug Eadline ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paralogic, Inc. | PEAK | Voice:+610.861.6960 115 Research Drive | PARALLEL | Fax:+610.861.8247 Bethlehem, PA 18017 USA | PERFORMANCE | http://www.plogic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 11:31:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22294 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:31:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22263 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:31:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24685; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd024674; Fri Mar 27 19:24:33 1998 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:19:46 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Alexander Tatmaniants cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6-stable & devfs & sysmouse ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG devfs is functioanl but not very useful in 2.2.6 it needs changes that are available as patches to -current (including the one you give) On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Alexander Tatmaniants wrote: > Hi, > > First of all, is devfs useable in 2.2.6-stable? > When should I perform mount itself? > What is meaning of undocumented kernel option DEVFS_ROOT? > And a small patch to syscons to register sysmouse device with > devfs, if should be usefull in order to make moused and X > coexist together, it works fine for me when I perform > mount -t devfs devfs /devs, as man devfs says. > > Index: syscons.c > =================================================================== > RCS file: /src/ncvs/src/sys/i386/isa/syscons.c,v > retrieving revision 1.182.2.31 > diff -u -b -r1.182.2.31 syscons.c > --- syscons.c 1998/02/28 05:16:14 1.182.2.31 > +++ syscons.c 1998/03/27 16:46:25 > @@ -134,7 +134,7 @@ > static scr_stat main_console; > static scr_stat *console[MAXCONS]; > #ifdef DEVFS > -static void *sc_devfs_token[MAXCONS]; > +static void *sc_devfs_token[MAXCONS + 1]; > #endif > scr_stat *cur_console; > static scr_stat *new_scp, *old_scp; > @@ -772,6 +772,9 @@ > for (vc = 0; vc < MAXCONS; vc++) > sc_devfs_token[vc] = devfs_add_devswf(&scdevsw, vc, DV_CHR, UID_ROOT, > GID_WHEEL, 0600, "ttyv%n", vc); > + sc_devfs_token[MAXCONS] = devfs_add_devswf(&scdevsw, SC_MOUSE, DV_CHR, > + UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0600, > + "sysmouse"); > #endif > return 0; > } > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 11:35:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23702 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:35:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA23651 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:35:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 12733 invoked by uid 1017); 27 Mar 1998 19:33:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:33:08 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua cc: sbabkin@dcn.att.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, olagappan@hotmail.com Subject: Re: OS features to be done - Help In-Reply-To: <350FDDC0.9328A089@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What version of ORACLE is running on FreeBSD? What is the native platform (Linux, BSDI, SCO, etc.)? > > Did you got Oracle running on FreeBSD ? If yes, it may be a > > fairly good contribution. If not, getting it running may be a very > > good contribution also :-) > > I know at minimum 3 peoples, which have running ORACLE on > FreeBSD (including me). > > Look at mailing list archive and try search on keyword ORACLE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 14:55:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07211 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:55:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07133 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:54:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA07389 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:00:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980327180013.0111e320@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:00:14 -0500 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: dennis Subject: Setting time from bios Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Our servers run rather fast...is there a way to get them to read the time from the bios (other than rebooting of course). Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 15:08:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09171 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:08:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan@dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09165 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:08:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA20538; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:08:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980327170840.A20418@emsphone.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:08:40 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: dennis , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Setting time from bios References: <3.0.32.19980327180013.0111e320@etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.10i In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980327180013.0111e320@etinc.com>; from "dennis" on Fri Mar 27 18:00:14 GMT 1998 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Mar 27), dennis said: > > Our servers run rather fast...is there a way to get them to read the > time from the bios (other than rebooting of course). Do you mean the clocks are running too fast for xntpd to keep accurate time? -Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 15:25:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10967 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:25:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.giovannelli.it (www.giovannelli.it [194.184.65.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10793 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:24:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gmarco@giovannelli.it) Received: from giovannelli.it (modem00.masternet.it [194.184.65.254]) by www.giovannelli.it (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01018 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:30:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <351C4421.C01345A0@giovannelli.it> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:28:17 +0000 From: Gianmarco Giovannelli X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: softupdates vs. async Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tried several make world in these days trying different configurations to see which of them works better... I saw that async is performing better than softupdates (is it possible ???) ... infact : **** -j4 build+install X softup ***** ---- Start Make World : Thu Mar 26 21:56:33 GMT 1998 ---- End Make World : Thu Mar 26 23:41:36 GMT 1998 1h 45m **** -j4 build+install X async ***** ---- Start Make World : Fri Mar 27 07:02:58 GMT 1998 ---- End Make World : Fri Mar 27 08:26:35 GMT 1998 1h 24m **** -j4 build+install notcl noprofi noperl noX async ***** ---- Start Make World : Fri Mar 27 10:43:23 GMT 1998 ---- End Make World : Fri Mar 27 11:56:25 GMT 1998 1h 13m **** -j4 world notcl noprofi noperl noX async ***** ---- Start Make World : Fri Mar 27 20:29:01 GMT 1998 ---- End Make World : Fri Mar 27 21:41:02 GMT 1998 1h 12m Now considering that my box is a Pentium 2 (300mhz) with a2940uw (onboard) and two hd wide scsi /usr/src and /usr/obj on two different drives... it seems to me that I am quite slow considering the times I saw in this area... Any suggests ? -- Regards... Gianmarco "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 15:26:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11133 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:26:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA11124 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:26:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA29509 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:26:13 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA01827 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:53:52 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199803271853.TAA01827@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:53:51 +0100 (MET) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone succeeded in getting netatalk to work on FreeBSD 2.2.5R? I've been figgling around without much luck. It seems that bug 5811 is also biting me.. :/ Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl -------------------------------------------------- Powered by FreeBSD ------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 15:31:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12695 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:31:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mbm.on.ca ([142.154.10.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12312 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:29:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mnewton@mbm.on.ca) Received: from notbook.mbm.on.ca ([142.154.11.7]) by mbm.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA25144 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:41:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bd59d2$e281bf00$070b9a8e@notbook.mbm.on.ca> From: "Malcolm Newton" To: Subject: modem settings using chat Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:51:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I need to have a cron job ensure that the modem is set to s0=1 (Auto Answer) for an uucp dialup connection. Once in a while the modem loses the setting and then (obviously won't answer) I am trying chat -f chat.script /dev/cuaa1 with chat script set to AT s0=1 and it doesn't seem to work any one got any ideas (preferably better ones that work! ) ta muchly mn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 15:44:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16397 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:44:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (root@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16191 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:44:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bannai@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from bannai@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) id PAA23231; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:44:06 -0800 (PST) From: Vinay Bannai Message-Id: <199803272344.PAA23231@shell6.ba.best.com> Subject: Gigabit ethernet cards! To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:44:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: wmurphy@mediacity.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi folks, I remember seeing a thread about Cisco selling a Gigabit ethernet card for around $150. I could not find enough information about where to get this card from either in the mailing list archives or the Cisco web siet. Does anyone have this information? Also, any information on other gigabit ethernet cards is also appreciated.. Thanks Vinay -- Vinay Bannai E-mail: bannai@best.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 15:58:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19870 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:58:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19738 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:58:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yIj0Y-0002QC-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:57:58 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA06361 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:57:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803272357.QAA06361@harmony.village.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Proposal Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:57:56 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've seen lots of requests for a sane "unix" keymap for PC keyboards from time to time. I've created one that should do the trick for most people. It is us.iso.kbd except: ESCAPE and `~ are swapped CTRL and CAPS LOCK are swapped BACKSPACE and DELETE are swapped I'm a little biased on the last one because I use Emacs so much, but could easily kill it. I'd like to include it in /usr/share/syscons/keymaps as an alternative keymap for people to use. It won't change the defaults, and people using it I'm assuming will know how do have their delete backwards character do the right thing when it is DEL rather than BS. Comments? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 16:15:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22043 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:15:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [207.229.133.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22021 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:14:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by stumpy.dannyland.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA03700; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:14:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980327181447.16030@stumpy.dannyland.org> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:14:47 -0600 From: dannyman To: Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R Mail-Followup-To: Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD hackers list References: <199803271853.TAA01827@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199803271853.TAA01827@yedi.iaf.nl>; from Wilko Bulte on Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 07:53:51PM +0100 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 07:53:51PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Has anyone succeeded in getting netatalk to work on FreeBSD 2.2.5R? I've > been figgling around without much luck. > > It seems that bug 5811 is also biting me.. :/ Did you config your kernel with options NETATALK ? ;) -- //Dan -=- This message brought to you by djhoward@uiuc.edu -=- \\/yori -=- Information - http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ -=- aiokomete -=- Our Honored Symbol deserves an Honorable Retirement To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 16:24:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23484 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:24:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bouncer.lucasdigital.com (bouncer.lucasdigital.com [207.1.122.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23470 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:24:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkiernan@lucasdigital.com) Received: by bouncer.lucasdigital.com; id QAA07302; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:29:38 -0800 Received: from malone.kerner.com(10.5.15.15) by bouncer.lucasdigital.com via smap (3.2) id xma007298; Fri, 27 Mar 98 16:29:32 -0800 Received: from localhost by lucasdigital.com (8.6.9/931112-/NEWHUB) id QAA01123; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:27:25 -0800 Received: (from mkiernan@localhost) by moana.kerner.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA12056; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:24:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:24:18 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Kiernan Message-Id: <199803280024.QAA12056@moana.kerner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: bannai@best.com Subject: Re: Gigabit ethernet cards! Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, wmurphy@mediacity.com References: Versions: dmail (irix) 2.1m/makemail 2.8o Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Check www.gigabit-ethernet.org for a reasonably complete list of companies in the gig-e market. I know Alteon is manufacturing the card sold by Sun. Essential Communications is working on PCI cards as well. I believe Packet Engines also makes cards. I haven't used any of these NICs, so no endorsement is implied. From what I've heard, whereas PCI HiPPI NICs can get up to 700+ Mbps while consuming 30-40% of a CPU with a well-tuned driver, PCI gig-e NICs are still at the stage where getting 350 Mbps completely saturates a CPU. If I recall correctly, the system used in the comparisons was some type of high-end, dual-processor risc workstation. Of course the manufacturers are busy tweaking away. If you've got a multiprocessor system with enough CPU capacity and you need the bandwidth, however, it does work. There are some sites using them in large fileservers. The switches themselves are great. Most of the vendors appear to be taking the course of embedding the IP and IPX routing in hardware, eliminating the traditional performance penalty of going through a router. I'm able to pump 450+ Mbps across multiple gig-e links, including one unit configured as an IP router, and I don't seen any evidence of the throughput topping off (if I could just get more systems to run the tests on...). The IEEE spec is supposed to be finalized soon, so these boxes should start transitioning from bleeding edge to more mainstream (well, at least at the top-end). Mike PS. The numbers mentioned above are based on netperf's tcp streams test. >From: Vinay Bannai >Subject: Gigabit ethernet cards! >Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:44:05 -0800 (PST) >To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG >Cc: wmurphy@mediacity.com > >Hi folks, > >I remember seeing a thread about Cisco selling a Gigabit ethernet card for >around $150. I could not find enough information about where to get this >card from either in the mailing list archives or the Cisco web siet. >Does anyone have this information? Also, any information on other gigabit >ethernet cards is also appreciated.. > >Thanks >Vinay >-- >Vinay Bannai E-mail: bannai@best.com -- Michael Kiernan, Systems R&D, ILM mkiernan@kerner.com +415-721-3284 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 16:32:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25158 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from makai.maui.net (makai.maui.net [206.154.205.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25146 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:32:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from langfod@makai.maui.net) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by makai.maui.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA03034; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:32:23 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199803280032.OAA03034@makai.maui.net> Subject: Re: Gigabit ethernet cards! In-Reply-To: <199803272344.PAA23231@shell6.ba.best.com> from Vinay Bannai at "Mar 27, 98 03:44:05 pm" To: bannai@best.com (Vinay Bannai) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:32:23 -1000 (HST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, wmurphy@mediacity.com From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Try www.alteon.com >Hi folks, > >I remember seeing a thread about Cisco selling a Gigabit ethernet card for >around $150. I could not find enough information about where to get this >card from either in the mailing list archives or the Cisco web siet. >Does anyone have this information? Also, any information on other gigabit >ethernet cards is also appreciated.. > >Thanks >Vinay >-- >Vinay Bannai E-mail: bannai@best.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 16:36:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25749 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:36:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25722 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:35:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07578; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:35:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Wilko Bulte cc: FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R In-Reply-To: <199803271853.TAA01827@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Has anyone succeeded in getting netatalk to work on FreeBSD 2.2.5R? I've > been figgling around without much luck. Yes. I used the package off the CD but I'm sure source would have worked too. At first I thought there was a problem because atalkd appeared to hang at boot time. I'd ^C it and try to figure out was wrong but couldn't find anything. One time I rebooted the system and went out for a walk. When I came back the system was up and atalkd was running! It justs takes a *long* time to start. Several minutes for me on a network with no appletalk routers and only one Mac. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 17:41:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05316 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:41:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05277 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:41:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA06363; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:40:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:40:08 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Warner Losh cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal In-Reply-To: <199803272357.QAA06361@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Warner Losh wrote: > > I've seen lots of requests for a sane "unix" keymap for PC keyboards > from time to time. I've created one that should do the trick for most > people. It is us.iso.kbd except: > ESCAPE and `~ are swapped > CTRL and CAPS LOCK are swapped > BACKSPACE and DELETE are swapped > I'm a little biased on the last one because I use Emacs so much, but > could easily kill it. > > I'd like to include it in /usr/share/syscons/keymaps as an alternative > keymap for people to use. It won't change the defaults, and people > using it I'm assuming will know how do have their delete backwards > character do the right thing when it is DEL rather than BS. > > Comments? I like the idea, and when it shows up, I'll probably use it. > > Warner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 19:22:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20596 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:22:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20587 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:22:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA16478; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:22:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:22:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Wilko Bulte cc: FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R In-Reply-To: <199803271853.TAA01827@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Has anyone succeeded in getting netatalk to work on FreeBSD 2.2.5R? I've > been figgling around without much luck. There are some post-release patches which are essential. Check the errata page on www.freebsd.org/releases. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 20:50:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28278 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:50:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from core.acroal.com (firewall0.acroal.com [209.24.61.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28269 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:50:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@core.acroal.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by core.acroal.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA24945 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:50:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@core.acroal.com) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:50:30 -0800 (PST) From: 0000-Administrator To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Permissions on /root Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems that some script it changing my permissions on /root from 0700 (which is what I want them to be) to 0755. This is starting to really annoy me because it happens on two machines I have. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 27 23:17:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12970 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:17:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from d182-89.uoregon.edu (d182-89.uoregon.edu [128.223.182.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12960 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:17:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by d182-89.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA02218; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:17:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980327231737.17493@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:17:37 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Malcolm Newton Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modem settings using chat References: <000301bd59d2$e281bf00$070b9a8e@notbook.mbm.on.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <000301bd59d2$e281bf00$070b9a8e@notbook.mbm.on.ca>; from Malcolm Newton on Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 05:51:29PM -0500 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Malcolm Newton scribbled this message on Mar 27: > I need to have a cron job ensure that the modem is set to s0=1 (Auto Answer) > for an uucp dialup connection. Once in a while the modem loses the setting > and > then (obviously won't answer) > I am trying > chat -f chat.script /dev/cuaa1 > with chat script set to > AT s0=1 might try changing it to: "" ATs0=1 chat uses an expect/send pair... first it expects "" which is nothing.. then it sends ATS0=1... > and it doesn't seem to work > > any one got any ideas (preferably better ones that work! ) you should probably also try to lock the modem using a uucp lock file so that you don't inject ATS0=1 while there is a uucp transfer in progress... I've never worked with uucp, so don't ask for help from me on that end of things... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 02:58:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA02596 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:58:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dog.farm.org (gw-hssi-2.farm.org [209.66.103.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02591 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:58:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dog.farm.org!dk) Received: (from dk@localhost) by dog.farm.org (8.7.5/dk#3) id CAA00434; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:57:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:57:46 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitry Kohmanyuk Message-Id: <199803281057.CAA00434@dog.farm.org> To: ulf@Alameda.net (Ulf Zimmermann) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multi-port ethernet cards Newsgroups: cs-monolit.gated.lists.freebsd.hackers Organization: FARM Computing Association Reply-To: dk+@ua.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199803231942.LAA21699@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> you wrote: > > Does anyone know of any multi-port ethernet (10baseT) cards that > > are supported? > > Or that might easily become supported? > > > http://www.zynx.com/ correction here - www.znyx.com ... > I have the ZX-314 and works great with FreeBSD (4 port card). Adaptec/Cogent > makes one too, which is supported as far I know. I use ZX314 too, and it works great. This is the same card used in NetApp NFS servers btw. Here is a dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0: Thu Sep 18 18:19:29 PDT 1997 CPU: Pentium (90.00-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 Features=0x1bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 62492672 (61028K bytes) DEVFS: ready for devices Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 2 on pci0:7:0 chip2 rev 2 on pci0:7:1 chip3 rev 1 on pci0:17 vga0 rev 83 int a irq 15 on pci0:18 bt0 rev 0 int a irq 5 on pci0:19 bt0: Bt946C/ 0-(32bit) bus bt0: reading board settings, busmastering, int=11 bt0: version 4.25J, fast sync, parity, 32 mbxs, 32 ccbs bt0: targ 0 sync rate=10.00MB/s(100ns), offset=15 bt0: Using Strict Round robin scheme bt0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (bt0:0:0): "MICROP 4110-09NB_Nov18F TN0F" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(bt0:0:0): Direct-Access 1002MB (2053880 512 byte sectors) sd0(bt0:0:0): with 2428 cyls, 9 heads, and an average 93 sectors/track de0 rev 32 int a irq 10 on pci0:20 de0: DE500-AA 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de0: address 00:00:f8:03:a4:8f Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: de1 rev 36 int a irq 11 on pci1:4 de1: ZNYX ZX314 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.4 de1: address 00:c0:95:f0:3f:38 de1: enabling 10baseT port de2 rev 36 int a irq 10 on pci1:5 de2: (null)21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.4 de2: address 00:c0:95:f0:3f:39 de2: enabling 10baseT port de3 rev 36 int a irq 5 on pci1:6 de3: (null)21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.4 de3: address 00:c0:95:f0:3f:3a de3: enabling 10baseT port de4 rev 36 int a irq 15 on pci1:7 de4: (null)21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.4 de4: address 00:c0:95:f0:3f:3b de4: enabling 10baseT port Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface psm0 not found at 0x60 cy0 irq 9 maddr 0xd4000 msize 8192 on isa fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in bt: unit number (1) too high bt1 not found at 0x330 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface DEVFS: ready to run IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, logging disabled To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 07:35:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29280 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:35:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aaka.3skel.com (aaka.3skel.com [207.240.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29272 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:35:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danj@3skel.com) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by aaka.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA02618 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3skel.com (localhost.3skel.com [127.0.0.1]) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA11647; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:35:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <351D18B4.EBDE1C28@3skel.com> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:35:16 -0500 From: Dan Janowski Organization: Triskelion Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG CC: danj@3skel.com Subject: Network throttle... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am looking for a way to create a lower bandwidth restriction on an interface. I have an ethernet interface that I want to restrict to a maximum of T1 throughput. 1. Is there a way to do this (easy or kernel hacking) What happens, i.e. the mechanics, when there is a higher capacity link feeding into a lower capacity link. Where does all the data go? I know it is buffered to an extent, but that has limits. Do the packets get dropped? I seem to remember an ICMP type that indicates transmission of too much data and for the sender to cut back or something. All thanks, Dan -- danj@3skel.com Dan Janowski Triskelion Systems, Inc. Bronx, NY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 07:45:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00592 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:45:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00573 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:45:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA10661; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:51:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980328105113.00e3b550@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:51:14 -0500 To: Dan Nelson From: dennis Subject: Re: Setting time from bios Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 05:08 PM 3/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >In the last episode (Mar 27), dennis said: >> >> Our servers run rather fast...is there a way to get them to read the >> time from the bios (other than rebooting of course). > >Do you mean the clocks are running too fast for xntpd to keep accurate >time? > > -Dan Nelson > dnelson@emsphone.com > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message Why do I need to run "yet another deamon" on my servers when I have a perfectly accurate clock in the machine? I suppose the answer is that you can't do it, correct? db To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 08:02:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03393 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:02:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03369 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:02:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13443; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03060; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:01:54 -0700 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:01:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199803281601.JAA03060@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: dennis Cc: Dan Nelson , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Setting time from bios In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980328105113.00e3b550@etinc.com> References: <3.0.32.19980328105113.00e3b550@etinc.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> Our servers run rather fast ... > Why do I need to run "yet another deamon" on my servers when I have a > perfectly accurate clock in the machine? Because you don't have a perfectly accurate clock in the machine. :) You can tweak with the settings to try and figure out which timer in the system generates more accurate time. Bruce posted about this a long time ago, so it's probably in the archives. It should be documented somewhere (if it is, it should be documented somewhere more obvious). :) 'man clock' doesn't help me to determine how to make my system clock more accurate.., and LINT has a bunch of: # More undocumented options for linting. options CLK_CALIBRATION_LOOP options "CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION" options "CLK_USE_I586_CALIBRATION" But I think they above have something to do with it. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 08:13:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05016 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:13:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bbs.mpcs.com (bbs.mpcs.com [204.215.226.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04993 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:13:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com) Received: (from hgoldste@localhost) by bbs.mpcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.7/MPCS spamzap) id LAA21072; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:13:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:13:13 -0500 From: Howard Goldstein Message-Id: <199803281613.LAA21072@bbs.mpcs.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: danj@3skel.com Subject: Re: Network throttle... In-Reply-To: <351D18B4.EBDE1C28@3skel.com> Reply-To: hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG danj wrote: : : I am looking for a way to create a lower bandwidth restriction on an : interface. I have an ethernet interface that I want to restrict to a : maximum : of T1 throughput. : : 1. Is there a way to do this (easy or kernel hacking) Easy, yes. ALTQ. See http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/kjc/programs.html : What happens, i.e. the mechanics, when there is a higher : capacity link feeding into a lower capacity link. Where does all : the data go? I know it is buffered to an extent, but that has limits. : Do the packets get dropped? Under ALTQ, after free space in the delay queue is exhausted, yes they are dropped. : I seem to remember an ICMP type that : indicates transmission of too much data and for the sender to cut back : or something. Not sure if source quenching is part of ALTQ... : Triskelion Systems, Inc. I wager 50 quatloos you'll like it... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 08:37:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06918 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:37:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06907 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:37:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA10780; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:44:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980328114322.00ff9ea0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:43:25 -0500 To: Dan Janowski , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: dennis Subject: Re: Network throttle... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:35 AM 3/28/98 -0500, Dan Janowski wrote: >I am looking for a way to create a lower bandwidth restriction on an >interface. I have an ethernet interface that I want to restrict to a >maximum >of T1 throughput. > >1. Is there a way to do this (easy or kernel hacking) We have a commercial add-on product that does this http://www.etinc.com/bwmgr.htm > >What happens, i.e. the mechanics, when there is a higher >capacity link feeding into a lower capacity link. Where does all >the data go? I know it is buffered to an extent, but that has limits. >Do the packets get dropped? I seem to remember an ICMP type that >indicates transmission of too much data and for the sender to cut back >or something. Our product "simulates" the functioning of IP packets when they reach a slower link. Data is only dumped when the hold time is greater that a threshold (as TCP will retransmit anyway). In normal operation (ie without substantial overload like video feeds or flood pinging) TCP is self-throttling by "slowing the acks". Source quenching is not necessary, unreliable and generally creates a mess. You can limit the entire interface, limit individual hosts by IP address, entire networks or limit data types (like cu-seeme traffic). Dennis > >All thanks, > >Dan > > >-- >danj@3skel.com >Dan Janowski >Triskelion Systems, Inc. >Bronx, NY > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 08:51:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08104 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:51:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan@dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08099 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:51:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) id KAA17945; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:51:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980328105152.A17527@emsphone.com> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:51:52 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: dennis Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Setting time from bios References: <3.0.32.19980328105113.00e3b550@etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.10i In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980328105113.00e3b550@etinc.com>; from "dennis" on Sat Mar 28 10:51:14 GMT 1998 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Mar 28), dennis said: > At 05:08 PM 3/27/98 -0600, you wrote: > >In the last episode (Mar 27), dennis said: > >> > >> Our servers run rather fast...is there a way to get them to read > >> the time from the bios (other than rebooting of course). > > > >Do you mean the clocks are running too fast for xntpd to keep accurate > >time? > > Why do I need to run "yet another deamon" on my servers when I have a > perfectly accurate clock in the machine? > > I suppose the answer is that you can't do it, correct? Well, the RTC only has a resolution of one second, doesn't it? So even though it may drift less than the CPU's internal clock, you probably don't want do be using it as your primary clock after the system comes up. Try adding the following options to your kernel; it looks like they try to calibrate some other timers against the RTC. With both options set, my machines are recording clock drifts of under 6 ppm (hourly clock adjustments of +/- 0.00005 sec according to xntpd). options "CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION" options "CLK_USE_I586_CALIBRATION" If you don't want to run xntpd, you can always run ntpdate once an hour (or once a day) from cron. If you really wanted to, you could probably hack the kernel to watch for RTC clock updates (that occur once per second), and reset the kernel's clock to that. -Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 09:24:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10621 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:24:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from delirium.eng.bellsouth.net (delirium.eng.bellsouth.net [205.152.6.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10615 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:24:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chk@delirium.eng.bellsouth.net) Received: (from chk@localhost) by delirium.eng.bellsouth.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01350; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:24:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980328122446.60224@delirium.eng.bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:24:46 -0500 From: Christian Kuhtz To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PPP install broken in 2.2.6? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Errr.. 2.2.5-RELEASE boot.flp worked flawlessly over here when trying to install via PPP.. this is what happens under 2.2.6-RELEASE: ppp ON schizophrenia> Packet mode. PPP ON schizophrenia> Error: SetIpDevice: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR): Destination address required Error: IPcpLayerUp: unable to set ip address Anyone have similiar experiences or knows a workaround? Cheers, Chris -- Christian Kuhtz (770) 522-4000 BellSouth.net Sr. Network Architect I speak only for myself, and my opinion belongs to me. Atlanta, GA, U.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 09:55:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14220 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:55:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14214 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:55:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA18227; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:20:18 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803281620.RAA18227@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: UFS changes in 2.2.6 ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:20:18 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Some time ago, just to see how it worked, I dumped the content of a ufs partition on a CD, and was then able to mount it using mount /dev/wcd0c /mnt i.e. as an UFS file system. Things were not perfect since I could crash the machine relatively easily by doing tar cvf /dev/null /mnt , but at least the disk was mounted. Today i was trying the same thing on a diskless 2.2.6, and the mount command replies "/dev/wcd0c on /mnt: Input/output error". What has changed to prevent the mount ? The disk is readable (using dd etc.). Being able to mount a cd as UFS partition is quite useful for doing backups, since you don't need the space (and the time) to create a temporary ISOFS image. With CDROM being cheap as they are, this is a real plus. Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 10:07:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15384 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerebus.nectar.com (cerebus.nectar.com [204.27.67.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15379 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:07:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nectar@cerebus.nectar.com) Received: from cerebus.nectar.com (localhost.communique.net [127.0.0.1]) by cerebus.nectar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00386 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:07:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803281807.MAA00386@cerebus.nectar.com> From: Jacques Vidrine To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: jaz / adaptec 2930 woes Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:07:45 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Folks, I've been having a heck of a time using an Iomega Jaz drive and an Adaptec 2930 on my -current system. I was able to make some use of the Jaz drive on a February -current kernel, but it was a bit flakey. When the Jaz spun down after some inactivity, I would get nothing but I/O errors until rebooting. I never did get to do any serious work with the drive, but at least I could make a filesystem on it and mount it. Now I'm running a 03/12/1998 -current, and it seems that whenever I access the Jaz drive, the accessing processed (whether it be mount/newfs/dd or whatever) hangs in a deadlock in vclean. Or rather, it hangs, and when shutting down the system I get a ``panic: vclean: deadlock''. I've not yet tried the latest -current, but I did not see any commit logs after 3/12 that indicate changes in this area (to my limited experience). The drive is external. Here are the (verbose) boot messages I get on the 03/12 kernel regarding the Adaptec and the Jaz: --- begin dmesg excerpt --- found-> vendor=0x9004, dev=0x6078, revid=0x01 class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 intpin=a, irq=10 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 00006000, size 8 map[1]: type 1, range 32, base e1001000, size 12 ahc0: rev 0x01 int a irq 10 on pci0.20.0 ahc0: Reading SEEPROM...done. internal50 cable is present internal68 cable not present brdctl == 0xc external cable not present eprom not present brdctl == 0x6c low byte termination enabled, high byte termination disabled ahc0: aic7860 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 3 SCBs ahc0: Resetting Channel A ahc0: Downloading Sequencer Program...ahc0: 366 instructions downloaded Done ahc0: Probing channel A scbus0 at ahc0 bus 0 ahc0: target 4 synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset = 0xf sd0 at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 sd0: type 0 removable SCSI 2 sd0: Direct-Access sd0: ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 Invalid field in CDB sd0 could not mode sense (4). Using ficticious geometry 1021MB (2091050 512 byte sectors) sd0: with 1021 cyls, 64 heads, and an average 32 sectors/track --- end dmesg excerpt --- When I probe /dev/ssc, I get: 0: nothing. 1: nothing. 2: nothing. 3: nothing. 4: scsireq_enter: Input/output error 5: nothing. 6: nothing. 7: nothing. and a kernel message: sd0: physio split the request.. cannot proceed Can someone give me some pointers in debugging my problems? In particular, the following are mysteries to me: * verbose kernel boot messages indicate ``internal50 cable is present'' and ``internal68 cable not present''. This is backwards -- I have no internal SCSI devices, only the external Jaz drive. * What do the messages ``sd0: ILLEGAL REQUEST [..]'' and ``sd0 could not mode sense [...]'' mean? * What does the message ``sd0: physio split the request.. cannot proceed'' indicate? Any help would be much appreciated! Jacques Vidrine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 10:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16370 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16362 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:12:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA05638 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:12:27 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA00790; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:03:57 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199803280903.KAA00790@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R In-Reply-To: <19980327181447.16030@stumpy.dannyland.org> from dannyman at "Mar 27, 98 06:14:47 pm" To: dannyman@sasquatch.dannyland.org (dannyman) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:03:53 +0100 (MET) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As dannyman wrote... > On Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 07:53:51PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Has anyone succeeded in getting netatalk to work on FreeBSD 2.2.5R? I've > > been figgling around without much luck. > > > > It seems that bug 5811 is also biting me.. :/ > > Did you config your kernel with options NETATALK ? ;) Yep. _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl -------------------------------------------------- Powered by FreeBSD ------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 12:04:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28554 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28546 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:04:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18542 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:05:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:05:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199803282005.MAA18542@time.cdrom.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: This is embarassing, but... Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If any folks here remember my little 'cvsupit.tgz' package (a package which sort of front-ends the installation of CVSup and its configuration file(s)) and they just so happen to have saved a copy which does NOT have the following MD5 signature: MD5 (cvsupit.tgz) = a6b9016d45dfba089b2e79105fbadda4 Then I'd really like to hear from them as it might save me from having to reimplement the same src-subselection feature for the 3rd time. :-) Two times now, or I'm just going crazy, I have managed to somehow spam every single one of my working copies with an older version that predates the the implementation of this feature - it just keeps coming back like zombie-version-from-beyond-the-grave or something and even the master copy at ftp.freebsd.org is the old one, even though I can practically swear that I updated it after I last reimplemented the "choose which parts of src you want" bits in +INSTALL. Argh. This must be what happens to you when you do too much release engineering (AKA "bit herding") - your bits start to go into the same parallel universe that socks in the clothes dryer get spun into. :) Anyway, if anyone managed to grab the new version during the window where I initially released it and it was spammed again, I'd appreciate being saved the work of doing it One More Time. :-) Thanks. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 15:07:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20417 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:07:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA20410 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJ4KV-000192-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:43:59 -0800 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:43:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: 0000-Administrator cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Permissions on /root In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, 0000-Administrator wrote: > It seems that some script it changing my permissions on /root from 0700 > (which is what I want them to be) to 0755. This is starting to really > annoy me because it happens on two machines I have. mtree BTW, using root for e-mail is much worse... Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 15:17:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21490 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:17:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from callisto.fortean.com (callisto.fortean.com [209.42.194.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21432 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:16:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by callisto.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26528 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:16:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: callisto.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:16:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: de driver and sshd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, all. Has anyone experienced problems with sshd on a box with a de (digital) based NIC? Specifically, the interface stops communicating for a indeterminate period of time, usually on the order of several minutes. Just as mysteriously as it starts, it stops and everything goes back to normal. I had experienced this under 2.2 and 2.2.1 and thought that 2.2.5 had fixed it. I had changed NIC's in that period though to a 3com, which was apparently the real fix. Now I've started working with a 2.2.5 machine with a Kingston PCI NIC and the problem has resurfaced. Killing sshd makes the problem go away. This has also happened on several de based NIC's (Kingston, DEC and I believe an SMC Etherpower2). There doesn't have to be any ssh client activity, just running the server for several hours apparently is enough (for me at least). I realize this info is nebulous, but I want see if any others have encountered this or if there are known issues before I dive into the driver source (that tulip stuff looks pretty hairy). - Bruce ======================================================================== || Bruce M. Walter || 107 Timber Hollow Court #335 || || Senior Network Consultant || Chapel Hill, NC 27514 || || Fortean Technologies, Inc. || Tel: 919-967-4766 || || Information Technology Consultants || Fax: 919-967-4395 || ======================================================================== || BSD Unix -- It's not just a job, it's a way of life! || ======================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 16:00:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29096 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:00:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29083 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:00:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <199803290000.QAA29083@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA002649681; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:01:21 +1000 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: This is embarassing, but... To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:01:21 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199803282005.MAA18542@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 28, 98 12:05:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In some mail from Jordan K. Hubbard, sie said: > > If any folks here remember my little 'cvsupit.tgz' package (a package > which sort of front-ends the installation of CVSup and its configuration > file(s)) and they just so happen to have saved a copy which does NOT > have the following MD5 signature: > > MD5 (cvsupit.tgz) = a6b9016d45dfba089b2e79105fbadda4 > > Then I'd really like to hear from them as it might save me from having > to reimplement the same src-subselection feature for the 3rd time. :-) Does this imply that cvsupit source isn't under any software version control system ?! :) Darren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 22:11:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06458 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:11:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06439 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:11:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA11618; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:10:45 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199803290610.IAA11618@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: de driver and sshd In-Reply-To: from "Bruce M. Walter" at "Mar 28, 98 06:16:05 pm" To: walter@fortean.com (Bruce M. Walter) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:10:45 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Has anyone experienced problems with sshd on a box with a de (digital) > based NIC? Specifically, the interface stops communicating for a > indeterminate period of time, usually on the order of several minutes. > Just as mysteriously as it starts, it stops and everything goes back to > normal. > ... > > Killing sshd makes the problem go away. This has also happened on several > de based NIC's (Kingston, DEC and I believe an SMC Etherpower2). There > doesn't have to be any ssh client activity, just running the server for > several hours apparently is enough (for me at least). > > I realize this info is nebulous, but I want see if any others have > encountered this or if there are known issues before I dive into the > driver source (that tulip stuff looks pretty hairy). We have six machines here with various cards using the de driver and I use ssh daily to get into them and I haven't seen any delays worth noting. Thinking about it, I can't understand how sshd can have any efect on the de driver that wouldn't also happen when some other program use the network... I mean it only opens a socket and send data over it, the same way any other network program will. You might have a few big packets in the beginning when the keys are exchanged though that you might not have with something like telnetd... John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 28 22:44:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10478 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:44:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from callisto.fortean.com (callisto.fortean.com [209.42.194.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10472 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:44:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from walter@fortean.com) Received: from localhost (walter@localhost) by callisto.fortean.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA27609; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:43:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: callisto.fortean.com: walter owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:43:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Bruce M. Walter" To: John Hay cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: de driver and sshd In-Reply-To: <199803290610.IAA11618@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Thinking about it, I can't understand how sshd can have any efect on > the de driver that wouldn't also happen when some other program use > the network... I mean it only opens a socket and send data over it, > the same way any other network program will. You might have a few big > packets in the beginning when the keys are exchanged though that you > might not have with something like telnetd... Can't different NIC drivers, based on the differentiation of their hardware and programming interfaces, respond differently in areas of timing and throughput due to each NIC's particular design advantages/flaws? The same should hold true for drivers. My thoughts here were more along the line of some sshd mechanism which may be exercising a design limitation of either the Digital chip or the de driver. Or both. I'd be more inclined to think driver because there have been problems with the driver in the past, and also because these cards don't exhibit similar problems under other OS's. As for my testing, I spent alot of time logging and trying different configurations of software on several systems and am almost entirely convinced from the data that sshd is somehow the culprit. Exactly how it would cause this symptom, I dunno... But I don't have any spare time right now to pursue it much further. If it happens to others I'd just like to know about it. ITMT, no sshd for de based machines in my shop :( - Bruce ======================================================================== || Bruce M. Walter || 107 Timber Hollow Court #335 || || Senior Network Consultant || Chapel Hill, NC 27514 || || Fortean Technologies, Inc. || Tel: 919-967-4766 || || Information Technology Consultants || Fax: 919-967-4395 || ======================================================================== || BSD Unix -- It's not just a job, it's a way of life! || ======================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message