From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 3 04:31:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA00260 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 04:31:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA00248 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 04:31:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA12414; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 04:19:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Frank Pawlak cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Device Drivers for Linux and Intel's annoucement In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Oct 1998 00:07:20 CDT." <19981003000720.A12261@execpc.com> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 04:19:34 -0700 Message-ID: <12410.907413574@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Now and again it is good for the soul for someone like Brett to come > forward an piss on the flag to get people to think. But every time that > is met with hostility here. Again your taking it as a personal attack. Erm, this is something of a conflicting statement. How could "pissing on the flag", as you put it, fail to do anything other than raise people's blood pressure? All that proves to me is that pissing on flags is not the proper way to win friends and influence people and, as a mode of self expression, leaves much to be desired. > WOW!!!!! What's with this flake stuff?? That is not the whole picture > and don't appreciate it being presented that way. In fact, I have a > white-paper here in various stages of completion, and am still waiting for > some docs from someone that I felt would be helpful in completing it. Dude, you flaked. Period. If you had the drive and inclination to finish whatever forms of advocacy you started, they'd be finished now and blaming others for "not helping you enough" is just a bald attempt at shifting the blame for inaction somewhere else. I said it quite clearly several exchanges back: You don't need anyone's help to write a magazine article or do promotion. It's nice when you can get 5 or so people together for a group effort, sure, but waiting to find those 5 people before doing anything at all is just a great way of accomplishing nothing. > Talk about flakes. ;-) Further, I am aware of more than one plan that I > presented to advocacy and for one reason or another they didn't get off > the ground. So what the fsck are you referring to? You are the pilot in charge. If your plane doesn't leave the ground, it's your responsibility to figure out why and fix it. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message