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Date:      Fri, 12 Jun 2015 15:57:56 +0530
From:      Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in>
To:        Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com>
Cc:        Matthew Pherigo <hybrid120@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: randall hyde's high level assembly!
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On 2015-06-12 15:44, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in>
> wrote:
>=20
>> On 2015-06-12 15:11, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Mayuresh Kathe
>> <mayuresh@kathe.in>
>> wrote:
>>=20
>> On 2015-06-12 11:24, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Mayuresh Kathe
>> <mayuresh@kathe.in>
>> wrote:
>>=20
>> On 2015-06-12 11:04, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in>
>> wrote:
>>=20
>> hi matthew,
>>=20
>> no luck, I got the following message;
>> root@www:~ # pkg install hla
>> Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue...
>> FreeBSD repository is up-to-date.
>> All repositories are up-to-date.
>> pkg: No packages available to install matching 'hla' have been
>> found in the repositories
>>=20
>> `uname -a` gives me the following;
>> FreeBSD www.kathe.in [1] [1] [1] [1] 10.1-RELEASE-p10 FreeBSD
>> 10.1-RELEASE-p10
>> #0: Wed May 13 06:54:13 UTC 2015
>> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>> amd64
>>=20
>> `freebsd-version` gives me the following;
>> 10.1-RELEASE-p11
>>=20
>> anything i might be doing wrong?
>>=20
>> ~mayuresh
>>=20
>> On 2015-06-12 09:26, Matthew Pherigo wrote:
>> Hey Mayuresh,
>>=20
>> There's actually a port in the tree already! 'pkg install hla'
>>=20
>> --Matt
>>=20
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 5:52 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in>
>> wrote:
>>=20
>> has anyone been successful at working with randall hyde's high
>> level assembly toolkit under freebsd 10.x?
>> http://www.plantation-productions.com/Webster/ [2] [2] [2] [2]
>> claims
>> to
>> have a
>> pre-built archive, but one that fails to assemble the binaries. :(
>>=20
>> ~mayuresh
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
>>=20
>> Is hla able to generate 64-bit machine code for amd64 ?
>>=20
>> It seems that it is for 32-bits , i.e. i386 .
>>=20
>> i have been able to run and test 'hla' under amd64 systems running
>> ubuntu.
>> any particular reason why it will not run under freebsd 64-bit?
>> one of the things that could be a problem might be the "assembler"
>> itself, i couldn't find "gas" or an equivalent under freebsd.
>>=20
>> ~mayuresh
>>=20
>> Can you use Nasm ?
>>=20
>> CD /USR/PORTS/DEVEL/NASM
>> MAKE INSTALL
>>=20
>> http://forum.nasm.us/index.php?topic=3D1283.0 [3] [3] [3]
>>=20
>> thanks for that tip mehmet, much appreciate it.
>>=20
>> i hadn't known about "nasm", looking it up led me to a book on
>> assembly language programming by jeff duntemann, which seems to be
>> a
>> lot more realistic than the one by randall hyde.
>>=20
>> again, thanks a million mehmet. :)
>>=20
>> ~mayuresh
>>=20
>> 64 bits operating systems are different from 32 bits operating
>> systems
>> .
>>=20
>> During working with assemblers , it is necessary to distinguish
>> this
>> feature .
>>=20
>> In a 64 bits operating system , if 32 bits programs will be used ,
>> it
>> is necessary to have 32 bits libraries and support by the operating
>> system .
>>=20
>> This means that you can not execute 32 bits programs in a 64 bits
>> operating system without such support .
>>=20
>> In the following page :
>>=20
>> http://www.duntemann.com/assembly.html [4] [4]
>>=20
>> read
>>=20
>> "If You Have a 64-Bit PC..."
>>=20
>> the especially .
>>=20
>> "64-Bit PC" is misleading : It should be "64-Bit Operating System"
>> .
>>=20
>> Both Intel and AMD x86 processors mainly support both 32 and 64 bit
>> operating systems : They are able to execute 32 and 64 bit
>> instructions .
>>=20
>> Therefore , important points are bit size of ( 32 or 64 ) operating
>> system , and handling capability of this feature by compilers and
>> availability of libraries , and support by the operating system .
>>=20
>> It is necessary to have information about 64 bit assembly
>> programming
>> in an 64 bit operating system .
>>=20
>>=20
> http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Intel-Assembly-Language-Programming/=
dp/1478119209/ref=3Dpd_sim_14_1?ie=3DUTF8&refRID=3D15NZ1SBWCZAMH1X6KPZG
>> [5]
>> [5]
>>=20
>> Introduction to 64 Bit Intel Assembly Language Programming for
>> Linux:
>> Second Edition Paperback =E2=80=93 June 23, 2012
>> by Benjamin Ray Seyfarth (Author)
>=20
>  mehmet, thanks for the link to that book by benjamin ray seyfarth.
>=20
>  my objective for learning assembly was to understand the inner
> workings of the machine, but i guess that could get accomplished with
> a good understanding of "machine organization".
>=20
>  randall hyde's "write great code (vol 1)" is an excellent book on
> "machine organization", just that one of the languages used for
> example code is 'hla' and hence my inquiry into support for running
> 'hla' under freebsd.
>=20
>  best,
>=20
>  ~mayuresh
>=20
> Using a widely adopted and supported by a community assembler such as
> "nasm" is much better than using a special purpose assembler ( for me
> with very useless statement kinds ) such as "hla" is a better approach
> when portability and maintainability of written sources over time is
> considered .
>=20
> I have look at the "hla" many times and come to a conclusion "never
> use it" .
>=20
> If a high level language is required , "C" may be used .

yes, agreed about the impractical nature of 'hla', but for me, it's an=20
educational tool, just like scheme.
i am yet to see a lot of large industrial grade software applications=20
written in scheme, except perhaps "emacs". ;)
btw, how did you get 'hla' to work under freebsd? was it under the 10.x=20
series?

~mayuresh




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