Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 15:57:56 +0530 From: Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in> To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com> Cc: Matthew Pherigo <hybrid120@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: randall hyde's high level assembly! Message-ID: <b2656e74e31fb7f1d26505151290561b@kathe.in> In-Reply-To: <CAOgwaMuJvdhrrRbM377KBEqW0JGjW62EW6XCoSndrA5aqVjkTw@mail.gmail.com> References: <731c3f79950e679799b5f8078a5ba7f0@kathe.in> <917AE52A-45E0-42CB-A6A8-40BAAE318CC9@gmail.com> <1c5f3e6e3cafb9022d257afcce1757b3@kathe.in> <CAOgwaMueNKBryDU0WQHQnp1DyUq5Mo-hqr4DWETz-gL1-uaz3w@mail.gmail.com> <6ee4e8712a7499dd3d703e540f46059b@kathe.in> <CAOgwaMv9wJ08i=vWfut2COv33=gJWH6qWUK=oHc5G0%2Bqj2=vgw@mail.gmail.com> <23f251dd1a66d0a88ed041ae2593cb98@kathe.in> <CAOgwaMs1_aEBKStNhP2MGQdPpOgA8eqg6EqFRPcX_uU11nuQQw@mail.gmail.com> <6228039c427b13187bfdf347b1771b10@kathe.in> <CAOgwaMuJvdhrrRbM377KBEqW0JGjW62EW6XCoSndrA5aqVjkTw@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2015-06-12 15:44, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in> > wrote: >=20 >> On 2015-06-12 15:11, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Mayuresh Kathe >> <mayuresh@kathe.in> >> wrote: >>=20 >> On 2015-06-12 11:24, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Mayuresh Kathe >> <mayuresh@kathe.in> >> wrote: >>=20 >> On 2015-06-12 11:04, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in> >> wrote: >>=20 >> hi matthew, >>=20 >> no luck, I got the following message; >> root@www:~ # pkg install hla >> Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... >> FreeBSD repository is up-to-date. >> All repositories are up-to-date. >> pkg: No packages available to install matching 'hla' have been >> found in the repositories >>=20 >> `uname -a` gives me the following; >> FreeBSD www.kathe.in [1] [1] [1] [1] 10.1-RELEASE-p10 FreeBSD >> 10.1-RELEASE-p10 >> #0: Wed May 13 06:54:13 UTC 2015 >> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> amd64 >>=20 >> `freebsd-version` gives me the following; >> 10.1-RELEASE-p11 >>=20 >> anything i might be doing wrong? >>=20 >> ~mayuresh >>=20 >> On 2015-06-12 09:26, Matthew Pherigo wrote: >> Hey Mayuresh, >>=20 >> There's actually a port in the tree already! 'pkg install hla' >>=20 >> --Matt >>=20 >> On Jun 11, 2015, at 5:52 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in> >> wrote: >>=20 >> has anyone been successful at working with randall hyde's high >> level assembly toolkit under freebsd 10.x? >> http://www.plantation-productions.com/Webster/ [2] [2] [2] [2] >> claims >> to >> have a >> pre-built archive, but one that fails to assemble the binaries. :( >>=20 >> ~mayuresh >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Is hla able to generate 64-bit machine code for amd64 ? >>=20 >> It seems that it is for 32-bits , i.e. i386 . >>=20 >> i have been able to run and test 'hla' under amd64 systems running >> ubuntu. >> any particular reason why it will not run under freebsd 64-bit? >> one of the things that could be a problem might be the "assembler" >> itself, i couldn't find "gas" or an equivalent under freebsd. >>=20 >> ~mayuresh >>=20 >> Can you use Nasm ? >>=20 >> CD /USR/PORTS/DEVEL/NASM >> MAKE INSTALL >>=20 >> http://forum.nasm.us/index.php?topic=3D1283.0 [3] [3] [3] >>=20 >> thanks for that tip mehmet, much appreciate it. >>=20 >> i hadn't known about "nasm", looking it up led me to a book on >> assembly language programming by jeff duntemann, which seems to be >> a >> lot more realistic than the one by randall hyde. >>=20 >> again, thanks a million mehmet. :) >>=20 >> ~mayuresh >>=20 >> 64 bits operating systems are different from 32 bits operating >> systems >> . >>=20 >> During working with assemblers , it is necessary to distinguish >> this >> feature . >>=20 >> In a 64 bits operating system , if 32 bits programs will be used , >> it >> is necessary to have 32 bits libraries and support by the operating >> system . >>=20 >> This means that you can not execute 32 bits programs in a 64 bits >> operating system without such support . >>=20 >> In the following page : >>=20 >> http://www.duntemann.com/assembly.html [4] [4] >>=20 >> read >>=20 >> "If You Have a 64-Bit PC..." >>=20 >> the especially . >>=20 >> "64-Bit PC" is misleading : It should be "64-Bit Operating System" >> . >>=20 >> Both Intel and AMD x86 processors mainly support both 32 and 64 bit >> operating systems : They are able to execute 32 and 64 bit >> instructions . >>=20 >> Therefore , important points are bit size of ( 32 or 64 ) operating >> system , and handling capability of this feature by compilers and >> availability of libraries , and support by the operating system . >>=20 >> It is necessary to have information about 64 bit assembly >> programming >> in an 64 bit operating system . >>=20 >>=20 > http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Intel-Assembly-Language-Programming/= dp/1478119209/ref=3Dpd_sim_14_1?ie=3DUTF8&refRID=3D15NZ1SBWCZAMH1X6KPZG >> [5] >> [5] >>=20 >> Introduction to 64 Bit Intel Assembly Language Programming for >> Linux: >> Second Edition Paperback =E2=80=93 June 23, 2012 >> by Benjamin Ray Seyfarth (Author) >=20 > mehmet, thanks for the link to that book by benjamin ray seyfarth. >=20 > my objective for learning assembly was to understand the inner > workings of the machine, but i guess that could get accomplished with > a good understanding of "machine organization". >=20 > randall hyde's "write great code (vol 1)" is an excellent book on > "machine organization", just that one of the languages used for > example code is 'hla' and hence my inquiry into support for running > 'hla' under freebsd. >=20 > best, >=20 > ~mayuresh >=20 > Using a widely adopted and supported by a community assembler such as > "nasm" is much better than using a special purpose assembler ( for me > with very useless statement kinds ) such as "hla" is a better approach > when portability and maintainability of written sources over time is > considered . >=20 > I have look at the "hla" many times and come to a conclusion "never > use it" . >=20 > If a high level language is required , "C" may be used . yes, agreed about the impractical nature of 'hla', but for me, it's an=20 educational tool, just like scheme. i am yet to see a lot of large industrial grade software applications=20 written in scheme, except perhaps "emacs". ;) btw, how did you get 'hla' to work under freebsd? was it under the 10.x=20 series? ~mayuresh
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