From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 4 15:27:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D0837B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:27:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from scrooge.etek.chalmers.se (scrooge.etek.chalmers.se [129.16.32.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CB943FA7 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:27:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from b@etek.chalmers.se) Received: from scrooge.etek.chalmers.se (b@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scrooge.etek.chalmers.se (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h14NRYca082728 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:27:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from b@etek.chalmers.se) Received: from localhost (b@localhost) by scrooge.etek.chalmers.se (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id h14NRYc5082725 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:27:34 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: scrooge.etek.chalmers.se: b owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:27:34 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Magnus_B=E4ckstr=F6m?= To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object In-Reply-To: <3C66FB8E-3873-11D7-9842-000393A335A2@mac.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Larry Sica wrote: > On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 01:11 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > > > > The limitation of voting to those with "commit bits" creates an > > extreme bias toward those with their heads down and/or those > > with egos heavily invested in their code; it also increases the > > likelihood that "real world" factors will not be considered. > > It is one of the reasons why FreeBSD receives so little press > > and so little corporate support relative to Linux. Advocacy, > > a crucial part of any such project, is not valued. > > > > > > There is truth in this statement. Engineers and programmers are not > always good marketers, advocates or planners. That should be taken > into account. A project w/o all three things, engineering, planning > and marketing will always be hindered... The truth and power of the statement assumes that the engineers and programmers aren't receptive to the arguments of good marketers, advocates, and planners. In practice, I'm not seeing the FreeBSD project run by a bunch of inbred nerds who are resistant to every clue outside their own field. Magnus To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message