From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 27 13:47:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.1.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E9237B405 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:47:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from pop3.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (pop3.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.1.83]) by out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5RKmYV49777; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:48:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from john.execpc.com (d13.as12.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net [169.207.135.13]) by pop3.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f5RKkwS47003; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:46:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010627152730.026c4a08@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: fpawlak/mail.execpc.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:48:54 -0500 To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com From: Frank Pawlak Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Microsoft Cc: Bruce Meier , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010627131125.A52377@mooseriver.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010627144405.02633958@127.0.0.1> <3B3A2720.815A74C0@acuson.com> <3B3A2F72.6783462E@hilo.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010627144405.02633958@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I couldn't have phrased it better Josef. Here is some real flame bait, but before you do the ready aim, fire, stuff, please hear me out. As a non-practicing economist I happen to agree with the US Justice Department that M$ is a monopoly. That said, I will continue to state the we now have in the US a political administration that if anything will attempt to let M$ off the hook. From what I read the Justice suite is already in trouble, and that implies that M$ will just step-up their half-truths, FUD and general horse shit, to try to stomp on anything and everything that appears to get in their way. Watch their reaction to OS X as it begins to gain momentium. Yes there is some money behind Linux these days, but not nearly enough to keep the evil empire from further corrupting the desktop and server OS market. Unfortunately, this comes at a very bad time because now there is a bit more than a glimmer of hope that open source can begin to effectively compete with them, and erode their market share. It is really a sad state that better products like BSD and Linux have to fight with their hands tied behind their backs. It is my hope that Justice will win out and slap their ass and free the market for us. One small thing further. From what I read in the rags, which I don't read very much, there are some rumbling that CIO's are becoming fed up with M$'s bully boy tactics. That could be just what the Dr., ordered for the open source community. One can only hope. Are there any doubts about my feelings toward M$? ;-) Frank At 01:11 PM 6/27/2001 -0700, Josef Grosch wrote: >On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 02:51:20PM -0500, Frank Pawlak wrote: > > I agree. That was the first thought to cross my mind as I read the > > article. At the risk of a flame war, (please don't), Linux has the > > installed based that could possibly be perceived as a threat to M$. So > > lets throw some bones toward FreeBSD, and put the possible competitor in a > > bad position. Linux doesn't have a BSD emulator. IMHO, just another > of M$ > > ploys to dominate and close a market and then be able to turn to referee, > > the Justice Dept and others, and say who plays dirty? Not me! > >I completely agree. This is just divide and conquer again. Microsoft has >staked a position that the GPL is a virus license thus creating in the >minds of people who do not understand the licensing issues or know much >about Open Source that Linux is a virus or harbors virus. Then they throw >FreeBSD a bone. FreeBSD being the largest of the *BSD and also not using >the GPL. Thus creating hate and discontent in the ranks of the Open Source >community. Remember, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". FreeBSD and >Linux have a great deal in common. We are far better off by sticking >together and collectively telling Microsoft to fuck off. > > >Josef > > >-- >Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 4.3 >jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | www.bafug.org > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message