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Date:      Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:59:07 -0500
From:      "Dave VanAuken" <dave@hawk-systems.com>
To:        <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: co-location model
Message-ID:  <DBEIKNMKGOBGNDHAAKGNAEGMECAA.dave@hawk-systems.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103112002330.10411-100000@workhorse.iMach.com>

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My only complaint about jail, is the storage overhead (about 200mb
though I havn't really hacked off the non-essentials).  i have not had
enough "heavy" jails to see what sort of processor drain each
causes...  if i can get 20 jails per machine it is a profitable
venture.

that and the lack of real specific control from the host machine on
the jail environments...  some of these features are "forthcoming"
supposidly.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
[mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W.
Christian
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:06 PM
To: Jeff Gray
Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: co-location model


Have you looked at jail?

With jail you can effectively create numerous machines in one physical
machine.  I am planning on doing this as an entry level option in our
colo space.

man jail

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jeff Gray wrote:

> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:32:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jeff Gray <jwgray@netbox.com>
> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
> Cc: Jeff Gray <jwgray@netbox.com>
> Subject: co-location model
>
> In thinking about the co-location model of many machines, whether 1U
or
> bigger, one realizes that lots of space, lots of energy [I am
writing from
> California], lots of iron and other materials are inefficiently
consumed.
> Let alone late night trips to the server farm.
>
> Instead of co-location with lots of  physical servers if someone
were to setup
> a mainframe that provided,
>   -multiple OS configurations and alternatives
>   -centralized hardware management
>   -centralized security management on the mainframe
>   -flexible, reliable, scalable storage
>
> then space, energy, raw materials and I suspect major costs could be
> minimized. Late night trips to the server could be eliminated!
>
> My two questions.
> -Is this a reasonable long term model for ISPs and or server farms?
>
> -Does anyone offer this today at the scale of rack size bites of
> physical space?
>
>
> [I say mainframe only to emphasize extreme hardware and software
> reliability].
>
> Interested to hear what the community thinks.
>
> Thanks
> jeff
>
>
>
>
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- Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE
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