From owner-freebsd-current Thu Oct 31 11:01:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA28090 for current-outgoing; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28084; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.0/8.8.Beta.3) with SMTP id MAA02754; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:58:20 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.15) id ; Thu, 31 Oct 96 12:58 CST Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.Beta.6/8.8.Beta.3) id MAA16345; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:58:04 -0600 (CST) From: Karl Denninger Message-Id: <199610311858.MAA16345@Mars.mcs.net> Subject: Re: /var/mail (was: re: Help, permission problems...) To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:58:03 -0600 (CST) Cc: MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU, gpalmer@FreeBSD.org, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, terry@lambert.org, j@uriah.heep.sax.de, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, current@FreeBSD.org, scrappy@ki.net In-Reply-To: <199610311829.LAA25654@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Oct 31, 96 11:29:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > To be perfectly honest, I don't see the problem here ... make the > > > locking method an option, just like elm does. No more problem. > > > > What about my users who thank me for *NOT* doing this, because they find Elm's > > options too confusing? > > I can't believe elm is still that popular (even though it's *my* personal > favorite). I have to say this has got to be a reductio ad absurdum > argument -- a straw man. It's possible to test the failure case during > config by compiling up a small test program. > > > Terry Lambert ELM is incredibly popular. About half our user base prefers it, and we have a LARGE user base. If I break something in elm on our ISP, I hear about it in minutes if not faster. Then again, its *MY* preferred user agent as well. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | 23 Analog Prefixes, 13 ISDN, Web servers $75/mo Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net/ Fax: [+1 312 248-9865] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Internal