From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 8 01:26:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34361106566C for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85F58FC1F for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C24B3D912; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:26:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oB81QTXg001592; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:26:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:26:29 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Julian H. Stacey" Message-Id: <20101208022629.7d106bab.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201012072309.oB7N9OMG072737@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <20101207114521.GA68479@muon.cran.org.uk> <201012072309.oB7N9OMG072737@fire.js.berklix.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installer program for FreeBSD-9.0? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:26:33 -0000 On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 00:09:24 +0100, "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > My comments/ wish list > - One text mode (non bitmap graphical) browser: /usr/ports/www/lynx The lynx browser, due to its "special" key handling, does not appeal to novice users. NO text mode browser gives a "first sight effect" that will "convince" a user he's installing a modern OS. Sounds stupid, I know. As I said, the way the user interacts with the browser does determine how fast he gets through the installation. Learning the browser (instead of just pressing the keys shown on the screen) could make things look worse. On the other hand, with the ability of X to run without configuration on recent hardware, what's wrong with running X with a graphical web browser - if the user DECIDED that way? Of course, this decision is the FIRST step in the install process: Install method -------------- T -> traditional text mode installer (sysinstall) (this one does not have all the options) W -> web-based installer in text mode (typical for professional users) G -> web-based installer in graphics mode (typical for novice users) R -> remote installation (just starts the server) S -> shell (dialog shell access to live system) Enter choice: _ Just a simple idea. > - Still too complex for blind/ partially sighted people with special I/O > phsical devs, I guess. Very true. The ability of FreeBSD to be a barrier-free (!!!) OS always made it a first class product. It would be sad if it would lose this ability in the future, just to cater the expected "first sight effect" newbies. :-) > - There are small clones of standard vi, with executables > no larger than ee, could replace ee. Allow me a side question, but... what's wrong with ee? (Don't get me wrong, I've been a long-term vi user myself.) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...