From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 18 19:36:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E8816A41C for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:36:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A51C43D49 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:36:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6IJaR30048000; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:36:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 498AE61DF; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:36:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:36:27 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Ray Jenson Message-ID: <20050718193627.GA83797@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Ray Jenson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20050718123641.212FE43D45@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050718123641.212FE43D45@mx1.FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon, Devil... woops! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:36:30 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 06:36:21AM -0600, Ray Jenson wrote: > I mean, really... a logo depicting a daemon, or even a devil, is just a > logo. It's not like the Son of the Morning Star is a member of the board,= or > even an executive. It's not like everyone involved with the project are > Satanists (well, trying to configure the systems with no real prior *ix > experience has made me say you were all evil so-and-so's a few times, but You know the saying: "UNIX is user-friendly. It's just a bit picky about who it's friends are". > I'm of the opinion that fighting extremism with conformity is > tantamount to surrender. Right. =20 > I wouldn't worry about changing the logo. It's "cute" and has all of the > requisite features a logo should have (distinctive and identifiable, > attention-grabbing, and marketable). It isn't pornographic or offensive in > nature (unless you are offended by representations that don't depict nudi= ty, > violence, or obscenity), and it's pretty well embedded into the BSD cultu= re, > from what I can tell (and that's not very long, really...). I'd agree that changing the logo is lame. > My employees are BSD-lovers. I'm not converted yet. I'm still tapping away > on my Windows machine to get business done (it's where all of the software > that I've learned to use and been brainwashed to love is based),=20 If you're talking about Office, give OpenOffice (from the ports collection a try). > The other question that I had was one of finding BSD CD's or DVD's at > wholesale. I like the packaging. A lot. Really! I want to have "official" > media available, because... well, I just don't feel /right/ about charging > five bucks for burned CD with no panache. I'd much rather charge the same > prices that other places charge and offer something really > professional-looking to the router geeks who have been drooling over the > hardware configurations that I've come up with. http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm or http://www.bsdmall.com/freebsd1.ht= ml See appendix A =A71.2 and =A71.3 of the handbook for more addresses. > Our cases are red. And no, they don't come in traditional beige or even > black. And the guts are... not fully supported. I've had to lower my > standards just a little. The 3DLabs Wildcat Realizm 800 video card is a > little high-end, I think, approaching vertical. If an engineer wants that > video rendering card in a BSD box, he can bloody well write the driver > himself. Which would be fine with most engineers, if the hardware people would release enough documentation to make it possible. This is not strictly a *BSD problem (although some kernel support is needed for 3D direct rendering). Most UNIXes these days use the Xorg X server. Any card that has a driver in Xorg works on all OSs that run Xorg. Xorg includes open source 3D direct rendering drivers for Matrox G200, G400, G450 and G550, ATI Radeon (up to 9250 aka RV280), SiS 300/305, 540 and 630. And some older cards like the 3dfs Voodoo and Banshee. There is a binary only driver for NVidia cards, but it's x86 only. I don't like binary-only drivers very much myself (kernel changes tend to break them, and only the supplier can fix them, who has other priorities. etc, etc...) HTH, Roland --=20 R.F.Smith (http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/) Please send e-mail as plain text. public key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFC3AS7EnfvsMMhpyURAt8AAKCkiXRIME9u5FjuOqYJjLI7X1a9EQCglfo3 uBV1pbumVwiR9ICeI0tMZa4= =YzuX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp--