From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 8 5:45:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from post-11.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AF537B400 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 05:45:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=mailhost.raggedclown.net) by post-11.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jKgQ-000Ksm-00 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:45:19 +0000 Received: from angel.raggedclown.net (angel.raggedclown.intra [192.168.1.7]) by mailhost.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Mail Gateway [buffy]) with ESMTP id 7D4D213040 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:45:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by angel.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Host [angel], from userid 1005) id 24F2922597; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:45:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:45:14 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ Message-ID: <20020308134513.GA49477@raggedclown.net> References: <20020306191854.C2150-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> <3C86C11C.8A31C8BB@mindspring.com> <15494.52528.125952.145716@guru.mired.org> <3C86D7D6.C11D7E@mindspring.com> <15494.58407.33613.314390@guru.mired.org> <8457986570.20020307135407@internethelp.ru> <15495.57385.993281.469551@guru.mired.org> <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 11:31:09AM +0000, Paul Robinson wrote: > On Mar 7, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > You can learn that using your own system. Wanna learn how to break > > into a generic install of FreeBSD? Install one, and go to work on > > it. It's no less interesting/fun/educational than trying to break into > > someone elses, and a lot less likely to get you into trouble. > > And what if you want to learn how to break into Solaris? There will always > be an excuse given for hacking. I know one guy who was well known in the > security field for a number of years, who reckoned that many years ago the > 'we want to play with Unix' camp split into two - those who had the balls to > to go out and break into expensive Unix machines dotted around the world, > and those who were so scared they went off and wrote their own (e.g. Linux). > Of course, I don't completely agree with him, but he has a point in that you > either want to run your Unix on your desktop but be limited to what you have > access to (FreeBSD != Solaris != HP-UX != AIX) or you can go out and break > into other people's machines. > > Just because hacking is illegal doesn't mean you or I have the right to > judge those individuals who cause no harm and who only seek true > enlightenment through a thourough understanding of buffer overflows. :-) > Actually they could then pass that knowledge onto the "C" programmers who *still* do not know and/or remember to avoid coding in such a way as to allow that :) It is avoidable. -- Regards Cliff Sarginson -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message