From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 21 18:35:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18767A6A; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gromit.grondar.org (grandfather.grondar.org [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c20:0:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D541B900; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [2001:470:9174:1:c160:6db5:dfbd:9b92] by gromit.grondar.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Xrt3M-000NWT-P7; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:35:34 +0000 Subject: Re: svn commit: r274739 - head/sys/mips/conf Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: Mark R V Murray In-Reply-To: <20141121092245.GI99957@funkthat.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:35:31 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <30DC3E76-7737-4A55-8200-8A662811B9B7@grondar.org> References: <201411200552.sAK5qnXP063073@svn.freebsd.org> <20141120084832.GE24601@funkthat.com> <20141121092245.GI99957@funkthat.com> To: John-Mark Gurney X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Adrian Chadd X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:35:37 -0000 > On 21 Nov 2014, at 09:22, John-Mark Gurney wrote: >=20 > Mark Murray wrote this message on Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 08:25 +0000: >>=20 >>> On 20 Nov 2014, at 08:48, John-Mark Gurney wrote: >>>=20 >>> Should we make random standard now? We don't live in the 90's = anymore, >>> and a system really can't function w/o randomness anymore??? >>=20 >> There is a case to be made for making it default in all/most kernel >> configs. >>=20 >> I disagree on making it compulsory in all cases, as very small = embedded >> systems can easily argue for not having it. >=20 > How will it talk w/ the out side world? w/o random, No sshd, no > https... providing randomness is a core component of a modern OS=E2=80=A6= There are many options, including telnet, rsh, rcp, http, ftp and serial = ports. > If you're really going for small embeded, you don't want FreeBSD, Who are you to tell me what I want? ;-) >> There is some compulsory infrastructure; this gets you the = ???dummy??? >> driver which just blocks and never delivers anything. >=20 > Plus, you'd need to turn off the entropy boot script among other > things=E2=80=A6 Correct. > If you can demonstrate a usable system w/o much modifications that > runs w/ the dummy interface, or no boot random, that I'll drop my > suggestion... I'll try removing random tomorrow and see what = breaks=E2=80=A6 Quite a lot will break straight out-of-the-box right now, but I bet I can get a system with working telnetd/rshd going in under an hour. M --=20 Mark R V Murray