From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:03:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3B6A39 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:03:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A938FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TcPgu-0000nM-88 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:03:20 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:03:20 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:03:20 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: Another question about pkgng Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <50B1422A.7070902@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:03:14 -0000 On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:54:50 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 24/11/2012 20:28, Walter Hurry wrote: >> When I issue 'pkg version -R' it does not actually use the remote >> repository for comparison; instead it uses the local cache of the >> remote repository, i.e. it checks local.sqlite against repo.sqlite. >> >> That's fine, but should it not do a 'pkg update' first? > > That would be consistent with the way 'pkg upgrade' and 'pkg install' > behave, so personally I think that would be a yes. > > Can you open an issue on Github so this point does not get forgotten > please? > > https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/issues > Thanks, Matthew. Done - Issue #396 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:25:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBECD3C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:2:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0892E8FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:25:06 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap8EALxksVDLevdH/2dsb2JhbABEwFRzgh4BAQQBOEEFCwsOExMDDwkDAgECAUUGDQEHAQEFh34FDb0cjDeEQQOmRYMC Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2012 10:55:05 +1030 Message-ID: <50B16353.8030708@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 10:46:19 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121030 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Daneliuk Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> <50B10185.2010500@bnrlabs.com> <50B105AE.4050008@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <50B105AE.4050008@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:25:07 -0000 On 25/11/2012 04:06, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > But I have had essentially no problems doing in-place major rev > updates with FreeBSD thus far. The only breakage I am worried about > now is whether the new compiler change breaks things that used to > work just fine. For example, will my make.conf settings be properly > observed by the new tool chain? If you want to build with clang wait for 9.1 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=threads/165173 I have been running 9.0 built with clang for most of the year as my desktop machine without any other issues. As far as your make.conf goes that will depend on what you have in there. Most gcc flags will either work or be ignored. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:36:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6E8E29 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01938FC1B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAP0anlH042353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:36:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <50B1681E.8070700@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:36:46 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> <20121125065854.1198fee8@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20121125065854.1198fee8@X220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:36:49 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: qAP0anlH042353 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:36:59 -0000 On 11/24/2012 05:58 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:38:35 -0600 > Tim Daneliuk wrote: > >> I am currently running FBSD 8.3-STABLE on a production server that >> provides http, dns, smtp, and so on for a small domain. This is not >> a high arrival rate environment but it does need to be rock solid >> (which FBSD 4-8 have been). > > why would you like to break a running system? That's exactly what I don't want to do. >> >> I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family. Is this branch ready > > I would stay with 8.x until the end of its support and move only then > to a new branch. It could be then 9.x or 10.y. I would then - but only > then - prefer the 10.y branch. > > I retired my 7.4 only because of lightning strike this spring. > > Robustness is my main goal here. Any change which brings only the risk > is avoided. I used to take this approach. However, I discovered the pain of fixing a configuration that jumped several major releases was way higher than tracking them each as they became stable. I did the 9.1-PRE upgrade today and - once the new system was compiled and ready to be installed - had only very minor conversion issues. In my case, the most painful part of conversion is the mail infrastructure. The server in question is the domain's mail server and it has a LOT of moving parts with custom configurations: sendmail, greylisting, mailscanner, spam assassin, mailman, SASL ... That is pretty much always what breaks. Doing smaller "leaps" tends to make this more tractable to control. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:37:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9ABBFCB; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jindanupajit@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5D08FC1B; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s9so10530000iec.13 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:37:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:return-receipt-to:disposition-notification-to :message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=42ja/yBv2yVIje7RU2CKAA48dRIhLtKiTZuyfQrXdQw=; b=z/Ok5N8073+W9ucsPOBxcU55T60+Is2kOTmqVHENbVYcKpoy2iOwKPRKVc8nm8FNqW YiC9lIu2FbHO6D+J9E0E7k5muVt1OygNpAfWQ8D0NbCI9cgaGhiWRMPs91jAx8squqpb WBTLbGtJLY074ohDs0qJC9NWXbE5WCeXz5+0pa8dX1u/mOL2f+7PgpEIR0CKo9e3rj3b IOGxfLGScOCpbhWFJb3We6daz5hIeEVSRZxjhADReHVB/w96pVNPHDa1q7P+wqwzsOvN 3xLtD44uC8AMekBT9TyDdBJtn8DUb1Oz/AF9ju0wPeIen+fy+LL262UaPP8w+l4zR5fk mWqg== Received: by 10.50.34.225 with SMTP id c1mr9881141igj.67.1353803868553; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.215.204 (bda-74-82-85-67.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.85.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ff4sm7537047igc.13.2012.11.24.16.37.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:37:48 -0800 (PST) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 159124713 Message-ID: <159124713-1353803866-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1920259822-@b26.c22.bise6.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: Normal References: <50B1422A.7070902@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Another question about pkgng To: "Walter Hurry" , owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Krissada Jindanupajit" Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:37:41 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jindanupajit@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:37:49 -0000 DQotIFNlbnQgdmlhIEJsYWNrQmVycnkgZnJvbSBUaGFpIENpdHJ1cw0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFs IE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogV2FsdGVyIEh1cnJ5IDx3YWx0ZXJodXJyeUBnbWFpbC5jb20+ DQpTZW5kZXI6IG93bmVyLWZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnRGF0ZTogU3VuLCAy NSBOb3YgMjAxMiAwMDowMjo1MSANClRvOiA8ZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc+ DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogQW5vdGhlciBxdWVzdGlvbiBhYm91dCBwa2duZw0KDQpPbiBTYXQsIDI0 IE5vdiAyMDEyIDIxOjU0OjUwICswMDAwLCBNYXR0aGV3IFNlYW1hbiB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBPbiAy NC8xMS8yMDEyIDIwOjI4LCBXYWx0ZXIgSHVycnkgd3JvdGU6DQo+PiBXaGVuIEkgaXNzdWUgJ3Br ZyB2ZXJzaW9uIC1SJyBpdCBkb2VzIG5vdCBhY3R1YWxseSB1c2UgdGhlIHJlbW90ZQ0KPj4gcmVw b3NpdG9yeSBmb3IgY29tcGFyaXNvbjsgaW5zdGVhZCBpdCB1c2VzIHRoZSBsb2NhbCBjYWNoZSBv ZiB0aGUNCj4+IHJlbW90ZSByZXBvc2l0b3J5LCBpLmUuIGl0IGNoZWNrcyBsb2NhbC5zcWxpdGUg YWdhaW5zdCByZXBvLnNxbGl0ZS4NCj4+IA0KPj4gVGhhdCdzIGZpbmUsIGJ1dCBzaG91bGQgaXQg bm90IGRvIGEgJ3BrZyB1cGRhdGUnIGZpcnN0Pw0KPiANCj4gVGhhdCB3b3VsZCBiZSBjb25zaXN0 ZW50IHdpdGggdGhlIHdheSAncGtnIHVwZ3JhZGUnIGFuZCAncGtnIGluc3RhbGwnDQo+IGJlaGF2 ZSwgc28gcGVyc29uYWxseSBJIHRoaW5rIHRoYXQgd291bGQgYmUgYSB5ZXMuDQo+IA0KPiBDYW4g eW91IG9wZW4gYW4gaXNzdWUgb24gR2l0aHViIHNvIHRoaXMgcG9pbnQgZG9lcyBub3QgZ2V0IGZv cmdvdHRlbg0KPiBwbGVhc2U/DQo+IA0KPiBodHRwczovL2dpdGh1Yi5jb20vcGtnbmcvcGtnbmcv aXNzdWVzDQo+IA0KVGhhbmtzLCBNYXR0aGV3LiBEb25lIC0gSXNzdWUgIzM5Ng0KDQpfX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlv bnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0DQpodHRwOi8vbGlzdHMuZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcvbWFp bG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucw0KVG8gdW5zdWJzY3JpYmUsIHNlbmQgYW55 IG1haWwgdG8gImZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zLXVuc3Vic2NyaWJlQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIg0K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 00:42:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E5F1A5 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55808FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAP0fp7k072223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:41:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <50B1694C.8010600@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:41:48 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> <50B10185.2010500@bnrlabs.com> <50B105AE.4050008@tundraware.com> <50B16353.8030708@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: <50B16353.8030708@ShaneWare.Biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:41:51 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: qAP0fp7k072223 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:42:00 -0000 On 11/24/2012 06:16 PM, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 25/11/2012 04:06, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > >> But I have had essentially no problems doing in-place major rev >> updates with FreeBSD thus far. The only breakage I am worried about >> now is whether the new compiler change breaks things that used to >> work just fine. For example, will my make.conf settings be properly >> observed by the new tool chain? > > > If you want to build with clang wait for 9.1 > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=threads/165173 I plan to stay conservative and only switch to clang when it is THE way to build everything. i.e., When GCC is finally retired for use in the base OS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 01:34:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C320A715 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.113]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2C88FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.182] by nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:34:29 -0000 Received: from [77.238.184.75] by tm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:34:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp144.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:34:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353807269; bh=DcRBXz3ic60j9EvinQPZWVWKPEFeEdpsG6zqp9V7hok=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=11HiUU4IgLZ1jTjIbBrkBg0WV1+eeEkKgYsrQgVAoic2/HmlbBNtF0c4r0TSgi78rJLezIWgiuXJ4TUfKYVbjmt0dW4xJi2JjeDzjEsBzYSkB+x8sKLSZL7cguVwbJ1rO8dCAtSkNQcMAiaaANG2j7PkbaGM70qalQObWp0nS2s= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 912634.86440.bm@smtp144.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: a8wbpUAVM1lfAqdL_.8rF8J4f1G_Z9Wwut3NoJ8idwQQECg vqWKkvgXw5DAUMt_2G.lzimN8bzsZGQLVYQMOiXnLkS6HILLenaEo8Bh7Ova aglCx5WshjJRXORC2RvBOGLkzKU3vYucdWXxk8R_RpQZbVOZYDT02ZP8.10z DZfV6xz4ann62jOqWAqUp.eat7l30e2prlqL4vB8yeUjgZr0qCFlcBmUcqmd lvX6T8084V4_dGuJJe8XMdvnubq0LFDqbbjOnI03VoTL2Auplbf8P5OXzxVz YyUSWLiQQxx9qTv8tuaHHYBKiSTfatqYDE6CZjfRlvFZSgiIrisLUYC.esh4 9du6r_sJxRgfTmURMSR9loYSs1rw_e9jJtSjELA2s7A7EDUff.eAn5vpKKP5 3pfBFzLv5p_zZQGVVSiiexpRlaFbhc0BLQ..j8.kSoAlZogYx6rexh1zp11G 3VOy8RDp1Kwdgc7ltNGO1fRsfwkCvoGcSAfaGbdKpBy53eBEPapJSPpAY2.D VUDWRNa70bIFESiXlVPy2MQDH23UhmBN8QdMFilJE1_agOel.T7Qyp2v6ECC eqA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [78.50.22.87] (ralf.mardorf@78.50.22.87 with login) by smtp144.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 01:34:29 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:34:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:34:37 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 00:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > I meant the "really manual mode" (CLI) as to be seen in > Fig. 3-10, named "Shell" (that's why the confusion, sorry). > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html "Manually Create Partitions" doesn't work. The MD5sum for the ISO was ok and the burned DVD was verified. I did not test "Shell" until now and it's to late to search and read a howto. When startup finished I push enter > Install > keyboard: German ISO-8859-1 > hostname: freebsd > [*] doc, games, lib32, ports, src > Guided Partitioning > Select the disk on which to install FreeBSD: ada0 > Partition (not "Entire Disk") > Continuing doesn't work, or I don't know what to do. FWIW, I'll use MBR and if possible / only. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 01:41:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6B77CA for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:41:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58868FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.232] by nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:41:18 -0000 Received: from [217.146.188.169] by tm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:41:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp137.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 01:41:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353807678; bh=eEhqyVKPaC3FDR7OU4pPh4DQ7b4GvQXJHBtpIa3AKIs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xSG4gp5JtKb8YDphmeRQRPdqszq8KoDBTDRWNBzfj0AaljT0llkdm/uM3KP07WrPTUg6WabHQhsx87FoDn6tCggbK+M+alpKZppCb8H/N7XyZVAItAUwhLQ1gjSN7ESDbDL1OrwZpS7NfFMwDsXIG7Eyz1F3ud5dIWCvlMEGOzA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 631799.91330.bm@smtp137.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: FhyjoD4VM1lZda.HsOESlO59TkFFLfXaBP1f_nQNqwhp6ZU GYPeFQcIkZdjdyvwXJfp0sTpaktwcVls9H54Hv_wyYjVT3yqQyF5108S53Gm oNqUVWHfYM4hgM4pD.jWqgCyI7qk53aIPbKiOsRzmnvB2zdbehFc6LBzoH75 uouLSkbGEceARi8CUyGCKI7DTVHyJtWvp9D0Zh49j3jwnBQnXqs0uGCO2rGK TmfPQ9R1b2xPpF9wramZJneNFyKx_wA2h9f7OidvH8c4I4IsFlYnzEkS0Fm0 x6Zx..W5JOiS4MMBtIGCJb1Qrc.H1mxJyhWVAuxPMeeellfBRyheaOKzF4kA AWMER.uF.97kDr7YxL9.MKv94VgEfgVrAuHG1wzrSp.wT7BGYr33RB8T.Ub0 byRwMGyu4IBOXfQHC5.r.T8d9rFdB_Z.W4TMg X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [78.50.22.87] (ralf.mardorf@78.50.22.87 with login) by smtp137.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2012 17:41:18 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353807677.2773.19.camel@q> Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:41:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:41:20 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 02:34 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 00:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > I meant the "really manual mode" (CLI) as to be seen in > > Fig. 3-10, named "Shell" (that's why the confusion, sorry). PS: Don't worry, it was clear what you wanted to say. As a newbie regarding to this kind of "partitioning", I just prefer to test the ncurses way first. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 02:57:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD763EFD; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:57:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843598FC18; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAP2vD5U018257; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAP2vCY1018254; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:57:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:57:12 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Tim Daneliuk Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? In-Reply-To: <50B14CAA.4000704@tundraware.com> Message-ID: References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> <50B140AC.2000804@FreeBSD.org> <50B14CAA.4000704@tundraware.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:57:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:57:17 -0000 On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 11/24/2012 03:48 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> It is not however sufficient to get you a completely upgraded system: >> you will still have to re-install all of your ports. Otherwise, as you >> end up trying to upgrade ports by ones and twos over time, you'll end up >> with a complete rat's nest of contradictory shared library dependencies >> and programs crashing left, right and centre. > > So I am discovering. I moved the system to 9.1-PRE today with a > source compile. After I then did a make remove-old, the system > started complaining about missing libraries. So ... I temporarily > fixed this with appropriate /etc/libmap.conf entires. I am now > about to do a portupgrade -aARrvf to redo the ports. We'll see > how that goes... portupgrade -avf is equivalent (-r and -R are redundant with -a). Including -c helps to get the config screens out of the way up front. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 03:05:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E72B11E for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:05:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pulley@dabus.com) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (aegir.dabus.com [173.14.229.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A9E8FC18 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aegir.dabus.com (Processor) with ESMTP id 7765B5F314 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:05:35 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; b=AMuw4TS9uZROoy6AScmFTgBAtDZZoHzetgiYUFRhLAGxITWHUuYJOimB88LOHy+xCtEsO0ZDe9td95gS40vaczr3ohn3kIz85mrvI3KdG0WgODbq53t18JSJaXa4y8S8+ZJ2AO90FE0Z9tWJCfudGZtx6PWdtlAIaaoLngZ2kMA=; c=nofws; d=dabus.com; q=dns; s=aegir1 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (unknown [192.168.10.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aegir.dabus.com (Dabus) with ESMTPSA id 8F14B5F2C5 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:05:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:05:32 -0700 From: Eric S Pulley To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:05:43 -0000 --On November 24, 2012 10:38:35 AM -0600 Tim Daneliuk wrote: > I am currently running FBSD 8.3-STABLE on a production server that > provides http, dns, smtp, and so on for a small domain. This is not > a high arrival rate environment but it does need to be rock solid (which > FBSD 4-8 have been). > > I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family. Is this branch ready > for production or should I wait a while yet? I ordinarily avoid x.0 > releases of anything and I know 9.1 is soon going to be with us. > > In a related note, if I do move to 9.x is it sufficient to grab the > appropriate source tree and compile world and kernels, install and > reboot? That is, it is reasonable to do an in-place upgrade. This > is how I migrated 4->6, 6->7, and 7->8 and I am hoping this is till > the case since a complete reinstall is painful and slow. > I upgraded to 9 on a server that is basically doing what yours is. I used freebsd-update and it did all the right things no problems. Been running on 9 without any issues pretty much since it came out. However, the only thing remotely fancy I'm doing is running root ZFS and link aggregation on my NIC's. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 03:06:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6191C5 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:06:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960378FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAP36oSj018365; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAP36oQR018362; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:06:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:06:49 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? In-Reply-To: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> Message-ID: References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:06:50 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:06:51 -0000 On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I use the amd64 install DVD. > > With or without deleting, I can't format a bootable FreeBSD partition to > ada0s1, aka Linux /dev/sda1. FWIW if I reinstall GRUB legacy > to /dev/sda, the boot flag will be set for the extended > partition. /dev/sda1 is an empty ext3 partition, size 57.83 GiB. Delete it, or set it to type 0xa5. I think the first is probably better for bsdinstall to see it as available. Expect boot loaders to be overwritten, so make a backup, preferably of everything. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 05:35:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190BF513 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:35:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B518FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (pool-98-112-217-228.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [98.112.217.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id qAP5ZLec029270; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:35:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD 9 Production Ready? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <50B1681E.8070700@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:35:21 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <449296BC-0DDA-4312-A1BA-CC394C4A8BCD@lafn.org> References: <50B0F80B.6090400@tundraware.com> <20121125065854.1198fee8@X220.ovitrap.com> <50B1681E.8070700@tundraware.com> To: Tim Daneliuk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:35:25 -0000 On 24 November 2012, at 16:36, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 11/24/2012 05:58 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:38:35 -0600 >> Tim Daneliuk wrote: >>=20 >>> I am currently running FBSD 8.3-STABLE on a production server that >>> provides http, dns, smtp, and so on for a small domain. This is not >>> a high arrival rate environment but it does need to be rock solid >>> (which FBSD 4-8 have been). >>=20 >> why would you like to break a running system? >=20 > That's exactly what I don't want to do. >=20 >>>=20 >>> I am contemplating moving to the FBSD 9 family. Is this branch = ready >>=20 >> I would stay with 8.x until the end of its support and move only then >> to a new branch. It could be then 9.x or 10.y. I would then - but = only >> then - prefer the 10.y branch. >>=20 >> I retired my 7.4 only because of lightning strike this spring. >>=20 >> Robustness is my main goal here. Any change which brings only the = risk >> is avoided. >=20 > I used to take this approach. However, I discovered the pain of = fixing > a configuration that jumped several major releases was way higher than > tracking them each as they became stable. I did the 9.1-PRE upgrade = today > and - once the new system was compiled and ready to be installed - had > only very minor conversion issues. >=20 > In my case, the most painful part of conversion is the mail = infrastructure. The > server in question is the domain's mail server and it has a LOT of = moving > parts with custom configurations: sendmail, greylisting, mailscanner, = spam > assassin, mailman, SASL ... That is pretty much always what breaks. = Doing > smaller "leaps" tends to make this more tractable to control. I am in a similar situation. Reliability is more important than = anything else. I run similar mail configurations on one server, = although I use different machines for incoming and outgoing mail. Jumps = across versions have been more difficult. I have kept records of the = steps I used for each upgrade and theose help me prepare for the next = one. I am in the middle of jumping from 7.2 to 9.1. One machine is = completely converted and working just fine. I had reliability problems = with 9.0. It kept rebooting or crashing every few days. I am on = 9.1-RC2 at the moment and its been up and working for 34 days now. I = will upgrade it to 9.1 when its released. This one had to be upgraded = early because it was new hardware. The old machine completely died. I = have another server also running 9.1-RC2 but it is not moved into = production yet. It is primarily a news server and has a large news = cache that has to be moved. I am waiting for 9.1 for that. On some of my test machines I have found that 9.1 is the first release = to support the built-in wireless NICs. The "service" command is really = helpful. I frequently can't remember which service is in etc and which = in /usr/local/etc. =20 The largest problem I encountered in the upgrade was the disk structure. = My disks were setup when using FreeBSD 3.5/3.7. As a result, the root = partition is way too small today. I was able to shoe horn 7.2 in by = deleting the kernel symbol files while they were being installed. = 9.0/9.1 just didn't fit at all. Restructuring the disks is a time = consuming job and fairly error prone in getting everything back that is = needed to run production. There is also the issue that the default = formatting uses SU+J which is not compatible with dump live filesystems. = Now I am going to have to find the time to bring the systems down to = remove journaling with no one on-site who has a clue what they are = doing. I currently have 9.1-RCx running on 5 systems and have not had any = stability issues with it. One system is in production but the others = are lightly used. One of them is a 200 MHz machine with either 32 Meg = or 64 Meg memory. It seems to be faster then when it ran 8.2 but I = haven't actually done any measurements. 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From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 10:31:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:37:42 -0000 On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 20:06 -0700, Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > I use the amd64 install DVD. > > > > With or without deleting, I can't format a bootable FreeBSD partition to > > ada0s1, aka Linux /dev/sda1. FWIW if I reinstall GRUB legacy > > to /dev/sda, the boot flag will be set for the extended > > partition. /dev/sda1 is an empty ext3 partition, size 57.83 GiB. > > Delete it, or set it to type 0xa5. I think the first is probably better > for bsdinstall to see it as available. Expect boot loaders to be > overwritten, so make a backup, preferably of everything. It already was deleted for the last attempts. Another day, fortunately I've got much time, so I'll read how to use the shell for partitioning. I don't know if I'm an idiot or if the installer is broken, most likely I'm an idiot + the installer is broken. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 11:07:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AE8AD7 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFC28FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tca3w-0006jv-B9; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:48 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tca3v-0004qF-TC; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:48 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAPB7lp6031065; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:47 GMT (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qAPB7lIS031064; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:47 GMT (envelope-from mexas) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:47 GMT From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201211251107.qAPB7lIS031064@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: illoai@gmail.com, mexas@bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: do I need agp(4) on my amd64 laptop In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:07:55 -0000 From illoai@gmail.com Sat Nov 24 16:09:29 2012 On 22 November 2012 06:19, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > It is not clear for me from the agp(4) man page, > whether I need this device in the kernel or not. > The pciconf -lv output is below. Or do I need to > show dmesg? > > Please advise > > Thanks > Anton > > > hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79101002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'RS690 Host Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > pcib1@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79121002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (Internal gfx)' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > pcib2@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79141002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > pcib3@pci0:0:5:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79151002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 1)' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > pcib4@pci0:0:6:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79161002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 2)' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > ahci0@pci0:0:18:0: class=0x01018f card=0x43801002 chip=0x43801002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA' > class = mass storage > subclass = ATA > ohci0@pci0:0:19:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43871002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI0)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ohci1@pci0:0:19:1: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43881002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI1)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ohci2@pci0:0:19:2: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43891002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI2)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ohci3@pci0:0:19:3: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438a1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI3)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ohci4@pci0:0:19:4: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438b1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI4)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ehci0@pci0:0:19:5: class=0x0c0320 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43861002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 USB Controller (EHCI)' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > none0@pci0:0:20:0: class=0x0c0500 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43851002 rev=0x14 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SBx00 SMBus Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = SMBus > atapci0@pci0:0:20:1: class=0x010182 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438c1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 IDE' > class = mass storage > subclass = ATA > hdac0@pci0:0:20:2: class=0x040300 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43831002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' > class = multimedia > subclass = HDA > isab0@pci0:0:20:3: class=0x060100 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438d1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SB600 PCI to LPC Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-ISA > pcib5@pci0:0:20:4: class=0x060401 card=0x00000000 chip=0x43841002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > hostb1@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11001022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' > device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > hostb2@pci0:0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11011022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' > device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > hostb3@pci0:0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11021022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' > device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > hostb4@pci0:0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11031022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' > device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > vgapci0@pci0:1:5:0: class=0x030000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x791f1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' > device = 'RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]' > class = display > subclass = VGA > bge0@pci0:16:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x171314e4 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' > device = 'NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express' > class = network > subclass = ethernet > siba_bwn0@pci0:48:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x1371103c chip=0x431214e4 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' > device = 'BCM4311 802.11a/b/g' > class = network > cbb0@pci0:2:4:0: class=0x060700 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x04761180 rev=0xb6 hdr=0x02 > vendor = 'Ricoh Co Ltd' > device = 'RL5c476 II' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-CardBus You bring up a good point. Your laptop is almost the same as mine, & the graphics chip is connected via PCI Express. I should see if it builds & runs without agp. Mine is HP Compaq 6715s. As far as I can see building a kernel with agp(4) doesn't make it appear in dmesg, which to me indicates I don't need it. But I'm not sure... I'm having wierd problems with X and I'm trying to understand better what's going on. Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 11:11:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22001D72 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBCD8FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tca7c-0006r7-MK; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:36 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tca7c-0004sp-5O; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:36 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAPBBZQh031089; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:35 GMT (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qAPBBZBT031088; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:35 GMT (envelope-from mexas) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:35 GMT From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201211251111.qAPBBZBT031088@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: illoai@gmail.com, mexas@bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: do I need agp(4) on my amd64 laptop In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:11:38 -0000 From illoai@gmail.com Sat Nov 24 16:09:29 2012 > On 22 November 2012 06:19, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> It is not clear for me from the agp(4) man page, >> whether I need this device in the kernel or not. >> The pciconf -lv output is below. Or do I need to >> show dmesg? >> >> Please advise >> >> Thanks >> Anton >> >> >> hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79101002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'RS690 Host Bridge' >> class = bridge >> subclass = HOST-PCI >> pcib1@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79121002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (Internal gfx)' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-PCI >> pcib2@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79141002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-PCI >> pcib3@pci0:0:5:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79151002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 1)' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-PCI >> pcib4@pci0:0:6:0: class=0x060400 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x79161002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (PCI Express Port 2)' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-PCI >> ahci0@pci0:0:18:0: class=0x01018f card=0x43801002 chip=0x43801002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA' >> class = mass storage >> subclass = ATA >> ohci0@pci0:0:19:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43871002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI0)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> ohci1@pci0:0:19:1: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43881002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI1)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> ohci2@pci0:0:19:2: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43891002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI2)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> ohci3@pci0:0:19:3: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438a1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI3)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> ohci4@pci0:0:19:4: class=0x0c0310 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438b1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB (OHCI4)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> ehci0@pci0:0:19:5: class=0x0c0320 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43861002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 USB Controller (EHCI)' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = USB >> none0@pci0:0:20:0: class=0x0c0500 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43851002 rev=0x14 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SBx00 SMBus Controller' >> class = serial bus >> subclass = SMBus >> atapci0@pci0:0:20:1: class=0x010182 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438c1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 IDE' >> class = mass storage >> subclass = ATA >> hdac0@pci0:0:20:2: class=0x040300 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43831002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' >> class = multimedia >> subclass = HDA >> isab0@pci0:0:20:3: class=0x060100 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x438d1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SB600 PCI to LPC Bridge' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-ISA >> pcib5@pci0:0:20:4: class=0x060401 card=0x00000000 chip=0x43841002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-PCI >> hostb1@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11001022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' >> device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration' >> class = bridge >> subclass = HOST-PCI >> hostb2@pci0:0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11011022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' >> device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map' >> class = bridge >> subclass = HOST-PCI >> hostb3@pci0:0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11021022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' >> device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller' >> class = bridge >> subclass = HOST-PCI >> hostb4@pci0:0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x11031022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' >> device = 'K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control' >> class = bridge >> subclass = HOST-PCI >> vgapci0@pci0:1:5:0: class=0x030000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x791f1002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' >> device = 'RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]' >> class = display >> subclass = VGA >> bge0@pci0:16:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x171314e4 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' >> device = 'NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express' >> class = network >> subclass = ethernet >> siba_bwn0@pci0:48:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x1371103c chip=0x431214e4 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' >> device = 'BCM4311 802.11a/b/g' >> class = network >> cbb0@pci0:2:4:0: class=0x060700 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x04761180 rev=0xb6 hdr=0x02 >> vendor = 'Ricoh Co Ltd' >> device = 'RL5c476 II' >> class = bridge >> subclass = PCI-CardBus > > You bring up a good point. Your laptop is almost the same as mine, > & the graphics chip is connected via PCI Express. > I should see if it builds & runs without agp. > Looks like drm requires agp for the kernel to link correctly. Oh well. ... drm_agpsupport.o: In function `drm_agp_free_memory': /home/svn/9.1/src/sys/dev/drm/drm_agpsupport.c:(.text+0xcba): undefined reference to `agp_fi nd_device' /home/svn/9.1/src/sys/dev/drm/drm_agpsupport.c:(.text+0xcd4): undefined reference to `agp_fr ee_memory' drm_agpsupport.o: In function `drm_agp_init': /home/svn/9.1/src/sys/dev/drm/drm_agpsupport.c:(.text+0xdb8): undefined reference to `agp_fi nd_device' /home/svn/9.1/src/sys/dev/drm/drm_agpsupport.c:(.text+0xe2f): undefined reference to `agp_ge t_info' *** [kernel] Error code 1 ... ok, I get it. I think I built drm and agp together, hence I haven't encountered this error. Do you use radeon video driver? Do you use radeondrm device in kernel? This only place I see this is in src/sys/amd64/conf/NOTES. My understanding is that to get drm working with the radeon driver, I need to add radeondrm to the kernel, but again, I'm not sure. Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 11:26:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2286BFDF for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:26:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm23-vm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm23-vm7.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.151]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7388FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.216] by nm23.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 11:26:14 -0000 Received: from [77.238.184.60] by tm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 11:26:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 11:26:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353842774; bh=HlBcu5sqY8ZcJkOuqlnn7IwUJccjfJM07rHXlAqz1v8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dq5eMGp/t1KjCpzxaVP+s6JmdE+mmzmlldbXEds5FmuXEMzE64/XvE0x7vu1r9mCgqr7a+kz6a/9N23tyzQ76tcvP035RSePmQ5XDKclggZjOis0H4RUZMBNH5If8Bqsk26c0jg+/XuGd2DD1QoFqkdAcfbW9IkYh6WKJfntA0o= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 61104.12556.bm@smtp129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: p0YV1zwVM1mpcgjzmIE0m.Hajrg6xQSAb6wdw0ad3BCj_bf l_E.7hvRojsLwf97SMSyZVqACQkFxmLNKsFv6va6d2mdMVDbuI050d.U7ODm IsA6g9fPrdCQDPCVfGXj5Yv8lOAzXDY.ekXMgwMc2K91vI0fhhJRjqJWqR7t KM_kLmM1_cYK2nEKwhHoIRY4RAQxnokUAy.G8XyLAPVVlPJhyPEkbS_y_XWD IoyqCHx.C8gIWE8MxxGoWEqIsZRWHfLO_TF.XufRER3yt6pZA5o44RlouSAQ LMpGVNWkvmni2irWzREPcZyC4WI.zHv19OW00MR5CEOky.A.FNM0O9Mfto3S 2cu_6uanGbgqOXqxZlFuW8v5nZAuxqu9hM1u_UXdE7bDukyvh8PEHo9Pt_be 13ayksJwaoA_Maxijox8nspDrxK4gtEWse_LzlIE- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 11:26:13 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> Subject: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:26:14 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:26:22 -0000 This is what I've got: # gpart show ada0 => 63 625142385 ada0 MBR (298G) 63 121274683 - free - (57G) [snip] IIUC I now have to do: # gpart add -s 64k -t freebsd-boot -l boot0 ada0 # gpart add -s 8G -t freebsd-swap -l swap0 ada0 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 256k -l root0 ada0 Here I already don't understand how large the swap should be. Really 2 * size of the RAM? I also don't know if 256k is a sane alignment value, I just copied this from a howto. How to continue after this is done? I want to use GRUB from my Linux installs, this is the Linux menu.lst: timeout 8 default 0 color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue title FreeBSD 9.0 root (hd0,a) kernel /boot/loader [snip] Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:05:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719555F8 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpielorz_lst@tdx.co.uk) Received: from mail.tdx.com (mail.tdx.com [62.13.128.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B508FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Octca64MkIV.tdx.co.uk (octa64.tdx.co.uk [62.13.130.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.tdx.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/) with ESMTP id qAPC5hRZ083079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:05:43 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:06:06 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz To: Polytropon Subject: Re: freebsd-update - To 'Stable'? Message-ID: <39F2E6C43130FC99BEE99E4F@Octca64MkIV.tdx.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20121122174113.fd724619.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20121122174113.fd724619.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:05:53 -0000 --On 22 November 2012 17:41 +0100 Polytropon wrote: >> I'm looking at switching to 'freebsd-update' - is there an equivalent >> way to get it to update me to '-STABLE'? > > No. The freebsd-update program can only be used to follow > the RELEASE branch, plus the security updates (RELEASE-pN). > Following STABLE branch still requires you to update by > source. Ok, as csup is 'deprecated' - I guess what I need to do is move over to Subversion instead? - As 'freebsd-update' is only going to get me release + security (-pX), not 'stable'. At the moment we have a local host that has the entire FreeBSD source tree on it - so we can just 'cherry pick' versions we need to update - I'd guess / hope a similar setup is possible, but with Subversion... -Karl [Off to look for a setup guide ;)] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:19:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5631FC74 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE9A8FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-51-39.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.51.39]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7328027658 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:19:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAPCJ8FD001882 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:19:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:19:08 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? Message-Id: <20121125131908.671f6d31.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:19:09 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:34:28 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 00:27 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > I meant the "really manual mode" (CLI) as to be seen in > > Fig. 3-10, named "Shell" (that's why the confusion, sorry). > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html > > "Manually Create Partitions" doesn't work. The MD5sum for the ISO was ok > and the burned DVD was verified. How does "doesn't work" appear? As far as I know, the difference to manual is that in _this_ method, you need to create your partitions yourself (the default behaviour in ye olde sysinstall); otherwise, I think one partition covering the whole slice will be created, this can be sub-optimum (especially in "worse case scenarios"). > I did not test "Shell" until now and it's to late to search and read a > howto. The "Shell" way should always work, even when the installer should "know better". You can find details on how to use the CLI tools in Warren's article. > When startup finished I push enter > Install > keyboard: German > ISO-8859-1 > hostname: freebsd > [*] doc, games, lib32, ports, src > > Guided Partitioning > Select the disk on which to install FreeBSD: ada0 > > Partition (not "Entire Disk") > That's the correct approach. > Continuing doesn't work, or I don't know what to do. FWIW, I'll use MBR > and if possible / only. Maybe it's because you have a totally non-standard content already on the disk (many Linusi, "extended DOS partitions" and so on, and the installer gets confused). That's why it would probably be easier to drop to the "Shell" command line and use either fdisk + bsdlabel _or_ gpart. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:29:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB9C4EE for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4E08FC15 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.213] by nm12.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:29:12 -0000 Received: from [217.146.182.85] by tm6.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:29:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp150.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:29:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353846551; bh=MNzyPZGlzt+SoggQHLvsMQSW8fVdkVOLnmNHeBVJ9Fc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2S2mOt7y+ppZG7wmPwhLr+Ib/DvFH/VRcSaJbSGs7Jxjo+S7MyVsaKA+dhXWQNYVegYySpZbAV0TNRZi3C8OeYHinII9aLmNvyNs8YKAqIdvDPjB0M9iPqwzDTgJbjEeidqQNiNrIVS9MisBfVj86kpzL1UgoGWyL16W1G2sEvI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 977832.10744.bm@smtp150.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: vdYyFK0VM1kqhcg2HF2H35052_eKkT0zNtUZKpwKtPu.NZ8 A.J4zSCvpVVzHlurou5xHWGbonkdIg6K5kelHlBn2tD.8Nq4ekHqA1Ul7oho VDvRWQo8AyTwOSx9ExaNxitSsHAALlxK2iVdRkmoA8zgTJsBmWRRFZs7UGMq 5GHb4jjRICpPdN2TlU8_PSR9fwpSzfcOhZ_2Cc8TEJBOj8fC6gitTdo0s.gq N2YT9b0SvXQzTM412dKVJrlfPjvRFLXRyfRpMLLZdNKPtrZn0i1NDntcn0Et x9sEvh2MxB9L9NZrZYHr2do2EFTwn1BY9moKUXiux0h1v0k6KOnoPHzXZ3US S2ZBymQRUAbm95Vrozecx5xlsAt7jgMkJx4fNLpbycaUKhjbddYo34MkK.pY BXvH7X.2JmtLwiI6LoLbrwNJSp227FD0JK35wHLtX6WEnNl9WTQ9DUaZcs21 5_THE0fF1j_s4oYs2tAGyehr3tTgiVDuqtrgoXnU1LJOaBapkXt6IyrhN2Wb hahXnF6iBk9O0923s8.u_NxEE6kWfOQlMK_XE_i0ZxwAekqvnisgEDg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp150.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 04:29:11 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353846552.2508.23.camel@q> Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:29:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20121125131908.671f6d31.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> <20121125131908.671f6d31.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:14 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:19 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > How does "doesn't work" appear? My apologies that I didn't wrote all error messages, they were about non-bootable and other things. I guess it' s better to ignore this and to continue with ... > Maybe it's because you have a totally non-standard content > already on the disk (many Linusi, "extended DOS partitions" > and so on, and the installer gets confused). That's why it > would probably be easier to drop to the "Shell" command line > and use either fdisk + bsdlabel _or_ gpart. ... gpart. Right now I'll shut down Linux and restart the installer and simply try, what I've written here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-November/246767.html I'll wait a few minutes, perhaps you read it and say if this is ok. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:29:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66E54F7 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628608FC17 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-51-39.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.51.39]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7763D27658 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:29:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAPCTULg001963 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:29:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:29:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart Message-Id: <20121125132930.3a417be5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:29:30 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:26:14 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > This is what I've got: > > # gpart show ada0 > => 63 625142385 ada0 MBR (298G) > 63 121274683 - free - (57G) > [snip] > > IIUC I now have to do: > > # gpart add -s 64k -t freebsd-boot -l boot0 ada0 > # gpart add -s 8G -t freebsd-swap -l swap0 ada0 > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 256k -l root0 ada0 > > Here I already don't understand how large the swap should be. Really 2 * > size of the RAM? Won't be wrong; my understanding of the rule was "2 * size of _possible_ RAM in the machine". But disk space is cheap, so 8 G should be fine. But again, the requirement for the swap partition depends on what you're doing with the machine and what you're expecting (e. g. will you want to save kernel dumps to the swap partition?). You can find an example here: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html Also see "man newfs" for options. > I also don't know if 256k is a sane alignment value, I just copied this > from a howto. Modern disks work faster when everything is aligned to 4k. But they _work_ with any other alignment. > How to continue after this is done? You will have new partitions /dev/ada0pN. You need to format them with newfs. If I see this correctly, you have created one big / partition (for everything); this is _valid_ and possible, but may be less optimum for a couple of reasons. Doing "functional partitioning" requires at least an idea of how much disk space will be needed per functional part, and this can differ from use as server or desktop, or what kind of software you run. The advantage is that you can backup data partition-wise (using dump + restore) and have a functional base system on / in case there's a severe disk corruption. The disadvantage is that if finally one partition is "too full", you cannot easily resize them (even though this is possible). When done, add them to your /etc/fstab. You can use the labels for that instead of the device names. > I want to use GRUB from my Linux installs, this is the Linux menu.lst: > > timeout 8 > default 0 > color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue > > title FreeBSD 9.0 > root (hd0,a) > kernel /boot/loader My Linux multiboot experience is limited, but this looks okay. You will delegate boot control to the loader, hd0a = sda1 = adap1, the partition of "freebsd-boot" type. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:33:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA371BAF for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lbc@bnrlabs.com) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B7C8FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bnrlabs.com (unknown [82.224.61.5]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C121FA61E6 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:33:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [172.20.96.112]) by mail.bnrlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C438546072 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:33:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:32:25 +0100 From: "Lucas B. Cohen" MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> In-Reply-To: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:33:29 -0000 On 2012.11.25 12:26, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Here I already don't understand how large the swap should be. Really 2 * > size of the RAM? It depends on use patterns and the amount of RAM in your computer. 1.5* to 2* installed memory is a traditional "works for most" value, but I feel it's outdated for 64-bit machines with 8 GB or more. > I also don't know if 256k is a sane alignment value, I just copied this > from a howto. If you're using a single, not too recent-and-huge hard drive, 512 bits (that is, no alignment) is fine. If you have an Advanced Format Drive or you don't know if you do, use 4k. If you have an underlying RAID array, 256k is a better choice. If it's an SSD, go with 4 MB to avoid taking any chances with performance over time. > How to continue after this is done? Once you're satisfied with your partition organization, the easiest is to restart bsdinstall, dd your new partition table somewhere safe (flash drive, or network drive), use the (n?)curses UI to designate the target partitions to install to, and go on with the installation to install the sets. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:37:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B35D81 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C438FC13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-51-39.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.51.39]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD49B25217; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAPCb3JP002004; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:03 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Karl Pielorz Subject: Re: freebsd-update - To 'Stable'? Message-Id: <20121125133703.8d4110c0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <39F2E6C43130FC99BEE99E4F@Octca64MkIV.tdx.co.uk> References: <20121122174113.fd724619.freebsd@edvax.de> <39F2E6C43130FC99BEE99E4F@Octca64MkIV.tdx.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:37:04 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:06:06 +0000, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > --On 22 November 2012 17:41 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > > >> I'm looking at switching to 'freebsd-update' - is there an equivalent > >> way to get it to update me to '-STABLE'? > > > > No. The freebsd-update program can only be used to follow > > the RELEASE branch, plus the security updates (RELEASE-pN). > > Following STABLE branch still requires you to update by > > source. > > Ok, as csup is 'deprecated' - I guess what I need to do is move over to > Subversion instead? Sadly, yes. There still is no csup-equivalent (efficient and fast implementation distributed with the base OS) provided yet. And it's not just about "being provided with the OS", but also about nice integration (like /etc/sup/* config files or the option to simply "make update"). > - As 'freebsd-update' is only going to get me release + > security (-pX), not 'stable'. Correct. You _can_ use this to compile your own non-GENERIC kernel, but it will always have the "pre-STABLE" content, just as the rest of /usr/src. > At the moment we have a local host that has the entire FreeBSD source tree > on it - so we can just 'cherry pick' versions we need to update - I'd guess > / hope a similar setup is possible, but with Subversion... It should be possible, as the functionality of CVS and SVN can be seen as quite comparable. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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25 Nov 2012 04:43:46 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353847426.2508.35.camel@q> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:43:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20121125132930.3a417be5.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <20121125132930.3a417be5.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:43:53 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:29 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:26:14 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > This is what I've got: > > > > # gpart show ada0 > > => 63 625142385 ada0 MBR (298G) > > 63 121274683 - free - (57G) > > [snip] > > > > IIUC I now have to do: > > > > # gpart add -s 64k -t freebsd-boot -l boot0 ada0 > > # gpart add -s 8G -t freebsd-swap -l swap0 ada0 > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 256k -l root0 ada0 > > > > Here I already don't understand how large the swap should be. Really 2 * > > size of the RAM? > > Won't be wrong; my understanding of the rule was "2 * size of > _possible_ RAM in the machine". But disk space is cheap, so > 8 G should be fine. But again, the requirement for the swap > partition depends on what you're doing with the machine and > what you're expecting (e. g. will you want to save kernel dumps > to the swap partition?). > > You can find an example here: > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html > > Also see "man newfs" for options. I'll read this. I want to test what's possible and/or impossible regarding to MIDI and audio productions using FreeBSD. > > I also don't know if 256k is a sane alignment value, I just copied this > > from a howto. > > Modern disks work faster when everything is aligned to 4k. > But they _work_ with any other alignment. I'll use 4k. > > How to continue after this is done? > > You will have new partitions /dev/ada0pN. You need to format > them with newfs. If I see this correctly, you have created > one big / partition (for everything); this is _valid_ and > possible, but may be less optimum for a couple of reasons. Until now I haven't done anything. It's still free. > Doing "functional partitioning" requires at least an idea > of how much disk space will be needed per functional part, > and this can differ from use as server or desktop, or what > kind of software you run. On Linux I only use /. So I don't have to think about how much space what directory might need and I never run into issues, when the file system hierarchy does change. Off cause I've got special partitions for audio productions mounted with noatime and a own partition for emails, but anything else, including /home is inside /. > The advantage is that you can > backup data partition-wise (using dump + restore) and have > a functional base system on / in case there's a severe > disk corruption. The disadvantage is that if finally one > partition is "too full", you cannot easily resize them > (even though this is possible). On Linux I can backup partition-wise too, but it's also possible to backup directory-wise ;). Btw. I never sync backups, I always keep several backups of the system, since setting up a hard real-time jitter free DAW is a special task for modern computers. In the 80s hard real-time really was hard real-time (C64, Atari ST), nowadays it is hard work to get something similar. > When done, add them to your /etc/fstab. You can use the > labels for that instead of the device names. > > I want to use GRUB from my Linux installs, this is the Linux menu.lst: > > > > timeout 8 > > default 0 > > color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue > > > > title FreeBSD 9.0 > > root (hd0,a) > > kernel /boot/loader > > My Linux multiboot experience is limited, but this looks okay. > You will delegate boot control to the loader, hd0a = sda1 = adap1, > the partition of "freebsd-boot" type. Thank you. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 12:57:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E01714 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7903B8FC13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.48] by nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:57:29 -0000 Received: from [217.146.189.64] by tm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:57:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 12:57:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353848249; bh=5z2mVYe4As9cUUe2x5mIbn3UC+ru3ATpTtxG9sBh7wM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BEEg9TFqt94RnjogMUHqpwWQp3H1pIHbPozEgu5dD4U9uPHKLFvGF2egy0DrX/RGPc7MI0s1wi8YZqTbucF3qyRsZu2BkHly+yM2s8jopS49gRZokYlFYIvhENCU26VSWJrTbuS6vEPgyfI3PmZxC6lTehkKEYyVn8/kYzM4lxg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 310815.93668.bm@smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: .u0wWEMVM1kuBBirUElteQR.tEMG3rFV6rmGxwD3GhVnh.c cQzVwv_qDszzh7v1zBc1W4Tt8jf96y0KNURrN0_50ahVNQFFJSilZLeW9fE2 xJmEeC9Yj4B8w_UkYf5exeCB9jmbeZ4kS3fR0Dks8vhnDQ_nhPKwZny8wMoD QcBMrWUeHUxa2Xcvf2zMxjz3GbtsU70Cw1txmAkhhrC7FEIrBhY24hNBkiMp P_lQ0XLyX9Fkek.4G.cX5cAo_diWKO1iqVIJdPHCN4D0AVubMIakn0StFz.v fzHxlEUTWXBboxcgZyHnkEBY3r6M7yGqTiYMEsPjpmfDu64gtHI1jED3S1Et dk0dpfYJjTQLBl86h2fbHL7yKWCzZAwnihHbHJT98OMPJ5zXddapDuEV15Ni JTAqCXX2Zb_dQ25pBO7bF0TIiInqt3SFG6LdB3iZrrTd.kbVJ0IPCtcXBL7f I_P_oByTlXH2ZURL6IOSluYr6n6jxglo2l0zRzPyqgCBfvX7Y95goynqZcIh edJetOsUgmSFWgPajrebNS80- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 04:57:29 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:57:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:57:37 -0000 I'm reading http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html at the moment. Seemingly there are many outdated howtos first hits for searching with Google. I frst read 64k for boot and now 512k. IIUC "Install the GPT bootcode into the boot partition" has to be done and is independent of the GRUB in the MBR. On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:32 +0100, Lucas B. Cohen wrote: > On 2012.11.25 12:26, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Here I already don't understand how large the swap should be. Really 2 * > > size of the RAM? > It depends on use patterns and the amount of RAM in your computer. 1.5* > to 2* installed memory is a traditional "works for most" value, but I > feel it's outdated for 64-bit machines with 8 GB or more. It's a 64-bit machine with 4GB RAM. > > I also don't know if 256k is a sane alignment value, I just copied this > > from a howto. > If you're using a single, not too recent-and-huge hard drive, 512 bits > (that is, no alignment) is fine. > If you have an Advanced Format Drive or you don't know if you do, use 4k. > If you have an underlying RAID array, 256k is a better choice. > If it's an SSD, go with 4 MB to avoid taking any chances with > performance over time. No RAID, a modern SATA drives, so 4k seems to be the way to go. Thank you. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:11:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8102D915 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beni.brinckman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D1E8FC12 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n9so12931330oag.13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:11:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ZTfG9bAMJfhg5ar77u52nCo6CZ0k9sxPUWLbYs/R66U=; b=va1BB7/9QJ01A2aTg58WZjt/Lmxdh9lnNh+vRN372GrXvr+ErdD68ELCwnsYivnDYt mcxxzxDoJxZDUIFkh5G8GWBKRSu0buo2/YOAdU8oGcA+g/VWPs23vXnIjsYmVe52PY11 dQ+JwZSbSE3TlWuO6Tr+gtD6xWT/NkJ4OLgiro5GMbLSNCR2GOOP2QoyXJhEGilUVHV6 qfghZjO/jfLnjf05Oy75BBjmRhidoPkHsyRa2H7BtEkyVcrdEAXWp1QdZizmjC9cr8fS U4zFw7XrJHC3puFrokHpXT1DJPPOouLP1LBhhGwepj2us7Voy/JpZZfANmPHL5ohTlLh ISSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.8.131 with SMTP id r3mr6904274oea.14.1353849094036; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.125.72 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:11:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1353847427.28384.YahooMailNeo@web160503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1353847427.28384.YahooMailNeo@web160503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:11:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Music streaming to iPhone From: Beni Brinckman To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:11:37 -0000 Install the firefly media server (in audio/*firefly-1696_8) *on your server and the simple daap client on you iphone ( https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/simple-daap-client/id369605270?mt=3D8). Connect your iphone to the ip-address of the server and you're done. I'm using it with a nas4free server and an ipod touch without any problems. Beni. 2012/11/25 D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 > Hi Everybody, > > I have all of my music on my BSD server at home, and I would like to > listen that music on my iPhone, when I'm home. > Any ideas? > > Thx! > Laszlo > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 Beni Brinckman. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:13:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD2FB54 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lbc@bnrlabs.com) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF5C8FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bnrlabs.com (unknown [82.224.61.5]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13773A6221 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:13:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [172.20.96.112]) by mail.bnrlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6279546072 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:13:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50B2197C.2040003@bnrlabs.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:13:32 +0100 From: "Lucas B. Cohen" MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> In-Reply-To: <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:13:38 -0000 On 2012.11.25 13:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > IIUC "Install the GPT bootcode into the boot partition" has to be done > and is independent of the GRUB in the MBR. Not in your case. You won't need bootcode other than GRUB's (in the MBR, and the Linux partition where the bulk of it is installed). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:30:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB60151 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4D48FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.82.105.244] by nm8.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:30:17 -0000 Received: from [217.146.189.64] by tm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:30:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:30:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353850217; bh=k8h967iie2hYuri3cwm/xVyXKRkTuwaiY7vaOHn1Q1o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lH8KkBiJXZPSFy615G9EgLw0Q1ZQnML5fNvAKHpJE/TG+ZYMjgAYEMp/Ic/uEqMPjX8KUmtVVMKqFCF9Im9YRBV14/rfUD6anH8+l3Rn5v3bbWp/XD2Y3ho8OnOFifL6tqREi89M08h/JBH76kLtBXv7lhADYb8aEaufI8u6SUk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 649838.93669.bm@smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: XGPdILoVM1mrjpdo1uOoiart.iErjzmgryg90JC9arFvem8 DCAoHz6g7phLPd2UvkopwkArv7miunV8_hctUVbC6v9450zSXEapU7ddsyi6 WzkP6J1YrX1UwATYmRRiH0TVYs_jqFjxnorcCVEStoQJfjNpmzMisqTqNZfJ eUBkIwnvfzfB2.pioMVOs6ItYEFCiC9jg_gNS9GtAn638Pdmb55sgXMbU1DZ RWo9OFOQfkF93Uh.V9xtAmPMC0WQAnir107lLKbBs3GWkQVlKJOrNAQDZCK_ aEN2OCaG0GFP9CwXmX2Kst5g.VZtqqVTIN09T7uEohynrjN_xlbaGK1hngM6 egJKLn04DRoPqkGhCv7bLot.f_ywaIf1XeHxZl4c_de7P7sFiEoxkcaY0Gqp 7KOHAZ6rnGNFVOe0dpW.J9AwXp493RBui_5Z8EOXj5eyu_BlF0EpB281BJPC 50sweFsyPR6IMnx7.e4ly7eZWw0tlft2iCCA_96Z4aoQqClEO9LMIzBZnsRS rNOFx.zpufAsWswxGX9AusEQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp144.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 05:30:17 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353850217.2508.64.camel@q> Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:30:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:30:20 -0000 At the moment I still have: This is what I've got: # gpart show ada0 => 63 625142385 ada0 MBR (298G) 63 121274683 - free - (57G) [snip] Regarding to http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html for my set up it should be ok to run: # gpart add -t freebsd-boot -l boot -b 40 -s 512K ada0 # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -l swap -s 8G ada0 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l root -b 1M ada0 Should use all the free space, so no option -s?! # newfs -U /dev/gpt/root # gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptboot -i 1 ada0 Will install the FreeBSD bootloader independent of the GRUB in the MBR? My GRUB menu.lst still is: timeout 8 default 0 color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue title FreeBSD 9.0 root (hd0,a) kernel /boot/loader [snip] So kernel /boot/loader has to be replaced by /boot/foo? /etc/fstab: # Device Mountpoint FS Options Dump Pass# <-- is this "#" needed at the end? Or is it ok like this: # Device Mountpoint FS Options Dump Pass And this are the entries I need: /dev/gpt/swap none swap sw 0 0 /dev/gpt/root / ufs rw 1 1 *???* Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:35:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214DF360 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576748FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.182] by nm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:35:37 -0000 Received: from [77.238.184.55] by tm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:35:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp124.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 13:35:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353850537; bh=BEP0BpByvxO0xdllonOexZI81m/dTyb93v6u7w5MPEQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XzhlmaTrNn0qNWUoQg9KgeJF5NmE5FW5aM9mocS2f5LTgsUs6xgkccX2J50KtCxLGlqIs9mwB8HNb8F7S9J2kg7bmIiH8DgQNMl0Q16lTQR95eaBDUM7ioucqsGLFuwqmARlOSIhrriRR+DblizCMU0eOJ8Gm9cRTLi46SbVQE4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 53497.78450.bm@smtp124.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: DDCK3rYVM1m35TE6PuojsMOfur4fnesGmBDb.ukHE32eXsj _fbvl0C_g4I2N8fIgn3Q1Xhrw0IvLf4u941CLFpRGZXtxuucfIOcuDhsAFxy qtWp6G6rmiV85IVyKXMqyceaBcSHxONEnufeEuU8S5bMiiNLDZIEEOD1Rkn1 .M3_atYaEx5h4zfF2ieydaGT1pPBi1ednYC_ndQCd00nDdMo2DvtuSXKQOOU V69TNEnwcZy5AgmzXcexBawh2DOB7B8UcS3Asod6QM_W8nc5N6yEAzNhwlaC 3zDZLWQULXCDAJ0FwEAJv63NKPdKBO8wUeRHtfwOwV8Ua9CZSdnZaybgOTVK KxCWK0flk34oGQPYaPoJ_3SPNjnq0TV_ahocJU2a.ZWBX4o0VuTVXir2htz9 joA2tgqLETwCUtmeG269Ux9G7yDoum6nDdVWg8YA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp124.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 13:35:36 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <1353850537.2508.66.camel@q> Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:35:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <50B2197C.2040003@bnrlabs.com> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> <50B2197C.2040003@bnrlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:35:39 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 14:13 +0100, Lucas B. Cohen wrote: > On 2012.11.25 13:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > IIUC "Install the GPT bootcode into the boot partition" has to be done > > and is independent of the GRUB in the MBR. > Not in your case. You won't need bootcode other than GRUB's (in the MBR, > and the Linux partition where the bulk of it is installed). Thank you. I don't need it, but I could add it for what ever worst case emergency scenario and GRUB in the MBR anyway will work? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:37:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECBA696 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274988FC19 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-51-39.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.51.39]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2862514B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:37:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAPDbu3R002346 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:37:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:37:55 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Manually partitioning using gpart Message-Id: <20121125143755.7b597155.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1353847426.2508.35.camel@q> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <20121125132930.3a417be5.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353847426.2508.35.camel@q> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:37:57 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:43:46 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:29 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > I'll read this. I want to test what's possible and/or impossible > regarding to MIDI and audio productions using FreeBSD. Will be interesting. I know there is some good support for this case in specialized Linux distributions. > > Doing "functional partitioning" requires at least an idea > > of how much disk space will be needed per functional part, > > and this can differ from use as server or desktop, or what > > kind of software you run. > > On Linux I only use /. Yes, this is common, even though Linux can support functional partitioning as well, still ext2/3/4/... partitions != UFS partitions. And with GPT partitioning, it's even easier to separate parts of the system across partitions and devices (which _can_ provide you performance boosts). > So I don't have to think about how much space > what directory might need and I never run into issues, when the file > system hierarchy does change. Off cause I've got special partitions for > audio productions mounted with noatime and a own partition for emails, > but anything else, including /home is inside /. This _could_ develop into disadvantages, like some "half-dead" process filling the whole partition until problems arise. But for common desktop use, it should not be problematic. > > The advantage is that you can > > backup data partition-wise (using dump + restore) and have > > a functional base system on / in case there's a severe > > disk corruption. The disadvantage is that if finally one > > partition is "too full", you cannot easily resize them > > (even though this is possible). > > On Linux I can backup partition-wise too, but it's also possible to > backup directory-wise ;). Tools like rsync or cpdup make selective backing up and restoring easy, that's true. :-) The idea is that if there is some damage, all you need to boot your machine in a minimum and _defined_ state is on /. No need for /usr or /var at this point, so you could - if required - do analytics and recovery from this point on. As all 3rd party software is in /usr/local, there won't be a problem as nothing of that stuff is needed to perform the boot into this early stage (the single user mode). If you don't have to experience such a situation, the better. > Btw. I never sync backups, I always keep several backups of the system, > since setting up a hard real-time jitter free DAW is a special task for > modern computers. In the 80s hard real-time really was hard real-time > (C64, Atari ST), nowadays it is hard work to get something similar. There are specialized operating systems emphasizing real-time use. Still those more simple computers required a "close to the hardware" programming that modern OSes will hardly allow, so if you don't have this kind of access from the OS level, how would you get it from the application level, with tons of dependencies unter your hands? :-) BTW, I still have some Atari ST hardware here. Impressive what has been possible with this (quite limited) machines, but with _efficient_ programs... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 13:50:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4549FAD4 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:50:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5ACF8FC13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-51-39.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.51.39]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C9E2762E for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:50:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAPDoQnJ002417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:50:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:50:26 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart Message-Id: <20121125145026.c273a06b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1353850217.2508.64.camel@q> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> <1353850217.2508.64.camel@q> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:50:26 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:30:17 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > At the moment I still have: > This is what I've got: > # gpart show ada0 > => 63 625142385 ada0 MBR (298G) > 63 121274683 - free - (57G) > [snip] > > Regarding to http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html > for my set up it should be ok to run: > > # gpart add -t freebsd-boot -l boot -b 40 -s 512K ada0 > > # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -l swap -s 8G ada0 > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l root -b 1M ada0 > Should use all the free space, so no option -s?! See "man gpart" for details (yes, there are _excellent_ man pages installed locally, or accessible via web): If -s option is omitted then new size is automatically calculated to maximum available from given geom geom. Here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=gpart&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html > # newfs -U /dev/gpt/root Maybe you would also consider using -J (journaling). Still the traditional approach when using functional partitioning is to format the / partition without soft updates (-U), but in your case, using them on a "everything in one /" partition is okay. > # gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptboot -i 1 ada0 > Will install the FreeBSD bootloader independent of the GRUB in the MBR? Hmmm... I'd assume that ada0 (the "beginning of the disk") contains GRUB already (or a "redirect" to where it's actually located), so I think ada0p1 would be the location to write to... still I'm not sure if you need to have any boot code at all because GRUB will perform the "redirection" to the FreeBSD loader which will then load the FreeBSD kernel. See "man 8 boot" for details. I'm not a "multi-booter" so I can't be more specific, sorry. > My GRUB menu.lst still is: > > timeout 8 > default 0 > color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue > > title FreeBSD 9.0 > root (hd0,a) > kernel /boot/loader > > [snip] > > So kernel /boot/loader has to be replaced by /boot/foo? No, I think /boot/loader is correct here; it's a program that sets up the kernel environment, loads it, maybe loads modules, and passes control to the kernel. It's located on the ada0p1 partition. > /etc/fstab: > > # Device Mountpoint FS Options Dump Pass# <-- is this "#" needed at the end? > Or is it ok like this: > # Device Mountpoint FS Options Dump Pass No, it means "pass number"; according to "man 5 fstab": The sixth field, (fs_passno), is used by the fsck(8) and quotacheck(8) programs to determine the order in which file system and quota checks are done at reboot time. The fs_passno field can be any value between 0 and `INT_MAX-1'. But it's a comment line anyway. :-) > And this are the entries I need: > > /dev/gpt/swap none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/gpt/root / ufs rw 1 1 Looks correct. (You can later on add lines to access data partitions or even your Linux partitions if you want, optical drives or NFS shares if you need.) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 14:11:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D929447A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lbc@bnrlabs.com) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5AF8FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bnrlabs.com (unknown [82.224.61.5]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFF1A622A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:10:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [172.20.96.112]) by mail.bnrlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F278846072 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:10:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50B226F3.2000207@bnrlabs.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:10:59 +0100 From: "Lucas B. Cohen" MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Wheres the FreeBSD PBR ? (was Re: Manually partitioning using gpart / wh) References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> <50B2197C.2040003@bnrlabs.com> <1353850537.2508.66.camel@q> In-Reply-To: <1353850537.2508.66.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:11:06 -0000 On 2012.11.25 14:35, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I don't need it, but I could add it for what ever worst case emergency > scenario and GRUB in the MBR anyway will work? I don't see how it could ever come in handy, and I'm not sure it wouldn't do any hamr either. The /boot/gptboot code to be written weighs 15kB, that could be big enough to mess up the filesystem on the partition. That /boot/gptboot code is designed to work on a special-purpose small GPT partition that doesn't hold a filesystem. So I would refrain from doing it. It would be useful for emergency purposes to write MBR-partition scheme-compatible bootcode to that partition instead, but I've yet to find out how to do it. gpart(8) seems to have the ability to do it, but it's manual page doesn't mention what file to pass to its -p option to do that. Maybe it's one of those /boot/boot1 or /boot/boot2 files I'm seeing on my system. Maybe someone can enlighten me on that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 14:13:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE3552E for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388AE8FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0313E65EA for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:18:17 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=CzkzTP5U29nt vHWT5w+SKQ2Srno=; b=fYGsJKm01MGONINtDwrrxSLmuVLt8ifnPw04oK9zKCqH U02wo1KnyMBkaw2mR+ZgZp+uFzK5eRPVdd2uJ1XUK6ZYhm8Vaf9Uzh+BJckxR1ER q8SJwUp3q8StLBn1fwGlofT/m+5QBn3nxxRafuA0VhbR3P0sR0b4PCwyrhbAjeM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=EQp/hT UgehvWG0KTeNz68Z3hdvqOp3cOOYR6vknV8BoYJtFVrMi3BU7aQdZFz0IhCZTNOd NtAkqDO3T+pGRxJOWM0070iGn3ID8FCyFXO0UGvWzHKOcCYVG90spNfg1aBz4OC8 usxyCij4FrEI4dXUWP9CD8olchmgjFc8QOy1A= Received: from [192.168.2.12] (unknown [93.89.81.205]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7373BE65D2 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:18:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <50B2279D.9020203@cran.org.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:13:49 +0000 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <20121125132930.3a417be5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121125132930.3a417be5.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:13:53 -0000 On 25/11/2012 12:29, Polytropon wrote: > Won't be wrong; my understanding of the rule was "2 * size of > _possible_ RAM in the machine". But disk space is cheap, so > 8 G should be fine. But again, the requirement for the swap > partition depends on what you're doing with the machine and > what you're expecting (e. g. will you want to save kernel dumps > to the swap partition?). You probably want to stop following that rule some time before you get to 8 TB RAM (http://semiaccurate.com/2010/09/29/inphi-imbs-can-stuff-8tb-ram-system/) :) -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 14:22:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11249907 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E5B8FC14 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.57] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 14:22:21 -0000 Received: from [217.146.188.170] by tm10.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 14:22:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp138.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 14:22:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353853341; bh=DoM5p5X8vdZ2OATbyZJysRg8vEajMjlD1BYLPuga76I=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=thqYV7OmmRoBbbjOON8+5ANrbcL1HAfWApsXCQiQOPX+T0XnD1nVofAhPO9ckBd+dSpYEjmRY+9qCTD03ANZnGAOYZ66bTNwsxvaz43K5o2xENmr18rDk5SxI6YV3lKzjTQN8rbAN7xeh2NOZZ/jXp2u32M39xiamI8lqVlqyCI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 71219.86436.bm@smtp138.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: HGMwezgVM1l8Ebe5LLQm2oYO9i9ylDPDm6SmF36V2thv9r6 86yJBBeASr8qBVxhDmPIbXjp26Z.rNd9aECsbfxiuEZGtBuF3VqfuPRp_8YL f9LrK5kxBHO0zvQssUhQu1BMOSUZTO8ZmuU8.bhPuPh9JFok13.033eaQM5G uq_GBk_3CFyTY2ugDMl.G.2FVMUk6NIInJ1U7kXI1JdPCn9iyeniM8bCT1dp MbHhu9U75BiIihbvpyXosA3Cetg4Fqg6H7Ahc_4sHmdPofNlpkQd8vMEpM5. xYSE_F3tD4MHL5p79pG6EnKpQz7vmWY7QFRCXZpDZOCPyqDpyGYV43xYDItD TsbFQM74UXdqwtUbdaXeI5nQMLBCCVyfVRtqehuZ4J6GHypKwCeoZcWDY7ab 7vAGFHmZwokSUWynCwKtmrI4.5IVBPbh_ZV_RlR0- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp138.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 06:22:21 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353853341.2508.69.camel@q> Subject: Re: Wheres the FreeBSD PBR ? (was Re: Manually partitioning using gpart / wh) From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:22:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <50B226F3.2000207@bnrlabs.com> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> <50B2197C.2040003@bnrlabs.com> <1353850537.2508.66.camel@q> <50B226F3.2000207@bnrlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:22:29 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 15:10 +0100, Lucas B. Cohen wrote: > On 2012.11.25 14:35, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I don't need it, but I could add it for what ever worst case emergency > > scenario and GRUB in the MBR anyway will work? > I don't see how it could ever come in handy, and I'm not sure it > wouldn't do any hamr either. The /boot/gptboot code to be written weighs > 15kB, that could be big enough to mess up the filesystem on the > partition. That /boot/gptboot code is designed to work on a > special-purpose small GPT partition that doesn't hold a filesystem. So I > would refrain from doing it. > > It would be useful for emergency purposes to write MBR-partition > scheme-compatible bootcode to that partition instead, but I've yet to > find out how to do it. gpart(8) seems to have the ability to do it, but > it's manual page doesn't mention what file to pass to its -p option to > do that. Maybe it's one of those /boot/boot1 or /boot/boot2 files I'm > seeing on my system. Maybe someone can enlighten me on that. Ok. I don't install it. Regards, Ralf -- At the moment I'm watching "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", so I'll continue the install later today. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 14:29:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41AEB6B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985408FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.52]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC394A71C33 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27417 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2012 14:29:15 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 10830, pid: 16431, t: 0.1527s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:13513 Received: from unknown (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Nov 2012 14:29:15 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.8]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479C933C32; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id D144139843; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:29:08 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= Subject: Re: Music streaming to iPhone References: <1353847427.28384.YahooMailNeo@web160503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:29:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1353847427.28384.YahooMailNeo@web160503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3=22's?= message of "Sun, 25 Nov 2012 04:43:47 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <44txsd3gej.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:29:23 -0000 D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 writes: > I have all of my music on my BSD server at home, and I would like to > listen that music on my iPhone, when I'm home. > Any ideas? I've got Samba, gnump3d, and vlc all serving off my music machine, and have played with dlnc a bit as well. My phone is an Android, but my son't iPhone is working with at least one of those as well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 14:35:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222A6C30 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:35:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm1.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm1.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3A48FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.12.10.82] by nm1.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 14:35:03 -0000 Received: from [77.238.184.68] by tm16.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 14:35:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp137.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 14:35:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353854103; bh=ZVyqXMVKh/sb3Zo0NiyiiCUGhFjGQElhLNyc0dmR/fc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x5jMnH8+yuCmqGi1SUQnkEWPmErfhZD7W/6af2yrKZw8z/hkJKHdhJxhfc/b7mAstMq9YnzE4Ho9vOwea7l+B8RfsDJ+UBOP8qUoE05AYoA5Lm6NwBPBZ9qFHu7rHrqhEQezd9mjRVVx45B4JDi91aacnzl2hYKz75BSc+VPkBM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 737959.62093.bm@smtp137.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: jwseJ0gVM1mAnE72CKJKNGF83PvPuwYF3PN.0BFD8Un6Eye NrlCYX_6n8_qvCDQ19D3gOV_sf5GDgtjT.TMFH8zdCfl0_ipJHexGHFHOIGT fO_OdD8SQrWdh5WTthR_.optu7IOMnLBwpUSkXNydA.wLY6OyqHtXJ8vjydf 7oUPDhGgbMhnRVlXS7hei6lYAspJzAgO2T5lSAykZlwYmdQh6sUwfxHSl5dn 1xDckQ__DSAaReS3sC4lv.vGB0zW1tVCuk1nESxrxyHUJydebQR3YjcDk622 T7VQRCrRpmrSVjJVvMviNkFhJwJgegpopZBmyeOVVbOFhxDC2kuaWnSEVhmG uUI1sin9FfgQdfnF12ZxL5bUY8eUniunkTFpEj39PtZwnSTi1BEVuStrMn93 cKunsxL_kkrdECLkliZY5j5G.kSKgpemMR21TaFk- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp137.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 14:35:03 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <1353854104.2508.78.camel@q> Subject: OT: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:35:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20121125143755.7b597155.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <20121125132930.3a417be5.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353847426.2508.35.camel@q> <20121125143755.7b597155.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:35:06 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 14:37 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > BTW, I still have some Atari ST hardware here. Impressive what has > been possible with this (quite limited) machines, but with _efficient_ > programs... I still have the C64 in some cartons and the Atari ST is still beside my PC, but I don't remember when I turned it on the last time. Btw. no QL emulator here, but a 80286 emulator and to my Atari 520 ST there are old PC RAM soldered, so it has got the full 4096KB. An issue is to replace the old monitor, since it's hard to get a monitor that can go low enough with the frequencies. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 14:45:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4757CF7 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A38A8FC14 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.82.105.246] by nm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 14:42:38 -0000 Received: from [217.146.188.162] by tm18.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 14:42:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp130.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 14:42:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353854558; bh=EK4xcQ9AUimUXJIZhTUdBkOqXa3vo7vUxf/cfuaDq8c=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oI4BTbh7jigCYMTl3Jg0udr48wpOKENqTWi12DiiLG6tu6STzOyXcb4Kg/yt+NEfAzWQFVx7+LuBIxCFVs1k0yZNwtKyfUgxu9g1KWA6CwAiHQPLn/yBOTyqXhsHPGgMttixw5VOIrYe/n1h6YIKKDzlNJDNV1f9a9zSL8nQWPQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 543425.13202.bm@smtp130.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 0jcAjowVM1kDNq1pZMVCKywFogNi_sT8fCiKY7WpUx7W1ZT 9dUluDnUqM91LnCDQpSIIgXFO5ycic373vqWsmhcgoc2XNX4DgzdqQmbnliw UFiVPdUwj89qymK30v5TxstySrnlJjl2fJpKYSmNmrN.dkGQNn1MvjUKMx8. i57yZpVs4ClSOrPsAlwiiXoApR0TiBAFkmURI84I3Jds66GOTDMLJyaX8D4v cXkX8lIKUMDhZTl4yYegLuCdtpMI7FOIx1mPR6g21.JDy2hFzl8w5NZjC4QN yy_HVIt_pXU4X4JPeall8lKRLXEhq6E.Qszw5Jo1R4uOABHGUGI8cWYFXcTE z.5Vugtk7DhHsXqcGWk2nbd8dQE0zhN3S7wgYXm6pzwCdt9nPqNPzFJHQYbN jXdBld6z6xBc9Pm1KGsNaGLx0zM5fGQ.1NeLpYA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp130.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 06:42:38 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353854558.2508.82.camel@q> Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:42:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20121125145026.c273a06b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> <1353850217.2508.64.camel@q> <20121125145026.c273a06b.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:45:34 -0000 Polytropon, I'll use journaling. I've to apologize for my broken English. Regarding to the "comment" line my question is, if it's enough to us a # at the beginning, or if it's needed to begin and to end with a #. I suspect just a # at the beginning is needed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 16:03:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DE85E4 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:03:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3578FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-51-39.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.51.39]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB5C3CE62 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:03:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAPG338G002836 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:03:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:03:03 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart Message-Id: <20121125170303.899a9cdd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1353854558.2508.82.camel@q> References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> <50B20FD9.9070405@bnrlabs.com> <1353848249.2508.41.camel@q> <1353850217.2508.64.camel@q> <20121125145026.c273a06b.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353854558.2508.82.camel@q> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:03:09 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:42:38 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Polytropon, I'll use journaling. That should give you additional "security in integrity", especially on a "everything in one /" partition. > I've to apologize for my broken English. No understanding problem here. > Regarding to the "comment" line my question is, if it's enough to us a # > at the beginning, or if it's needed to begin and to end with a #. I > suspect just a # at the beginning is needed. Yes, every line starting with a # is considered a comment (like in shell scripts). In case of the default comment line, the second # is just "pass number" written as "Pass#". Comment line and empty lines can appear in /etc/fstab as desired. You can use them to "structure" your fstab file as soon as it gets "too many" entries (which may be possible when you're utilizing NFS a lot). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:05:34 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001, VGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB0aGUgaWRlYSEKClRvbmlnaHQgSSB0cmllZCB0byBpbnN0YWxsIGZpcmVmbHkgYnV0IEknbSBzdHVjayB3aXRoIHRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmcgZXJyb3I6Cgo9PT0.IENyZWF0aW5nIHVzZXJzIGFuZC9vciBncm91cHMuClVzaW5nIGV4aXN0aW5nIGdyb3VwIGBkYWFwZCcuCkNyZWF0aW5nIHVzZXIgYGRhYXBkJyB3aXRoIHVpZCBgMzM3Jy4KcHc6IHVzZXIgJ2RhYXBkJyBhbHJlYWR5IGV4aXN0cwoqKiogRXJyb3IgY29kZSA3NAoKQW5kIHdoZW4gaWYgSSB0cnkgZGVsZXRpbmcgZGFhcGQgdXMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.460 References: <1353847427.28384.YahooMailNeo@web160503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1353873934.14934.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:05:34 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= Subject: Re: Music streaming to iPhone To: Beni Brinckman In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:05:42 -0000 Thank you for the idea!=0A=0ATonight I tried to install firefly but I'm stu= ck with the following error:=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D> Creating users and/or groups.= =0AUsing existing group `daapd'.=0ACreating user `daapd' with uid `337'.=0A= pw: user 'daapd' already exists=0A*** Error code 74=0A=0AAnd when if I try = deleting daapd user:=0A=0A=0A# pw user del daapd=0Apw: no such user `daapd'= =0A=0A=0A:(=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Beni Brinckman <= beni.brinckman@gmail.com>=0ATo: D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 =0ACc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" =0ASent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: Music stream= ing to iPhone=0A =0AInstall the firefly media server (in audio/*firefly-169= 6_8) *on your server=0Aand the simple daap client on you iphone (=0Ahttps:/= /itunes.apple.com/us/app/simple-daap-client/id369605270?mt=3D8).=0AConnect = your iphone to the ip-address of the server and you're done.=0AI'm using it= with a nas4free server and an ipod touch without any problems.=0ABeni.=0A= =0A=0A2012/11/25 D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 =0A=0A>= Hi Everybody,=0A>=0A> I have all of my music on my BSD server at home, and= I would like to=0A> listen that music on my iPhone, when I'm home.=0A> Any= ideas?=0A>=0A> Thx!=0A> Laszlo=0A> _______________________________________= ________=0A> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A> http://lists.fr= eebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A> To unsubscribe, send any m= ail to "=0A> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A-- = =0ABeni Brinckman.=0A_______________________________________________=0Afree= bsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/l= istinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-quest= ions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 20:30:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6103BE42 for ; 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Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:27:51 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001, SSBtYW5hZ2VkIHRvIHNvbHZlIHRoZSBpc3N1ZSBieSBlZGl0aW5nIG1hbnVhbGx5IG1hc3Rlci5wYXNzd2QgZmlsZSB0aGVuwqBwd2RfbWtkYiAtcCBtYXN0ZXIucGFzc3dkLgpGaXJlZmx5IGlzIHVwJnJ1bm5pbmcgOykKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogRMOhbmllbGlzeiBMw6FzemzDsyA8bGFzemxvX2RhbmllbGlzekB5YWhvby5jb20.ClRvOiBCZW5pIEJyaW5ja21hbiA8YmVuaS5icmluY2ttYW5AZ21haWwuY29tPiAKQ2M6ICJmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9uc0BmcmUBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.460 References: <1353847427.28384.YahooMailNeo@web160503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1353873934.14934.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1353875271.81393.YahooMailNeo@web160502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:27:51 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= Subject: Re: Music streaming to iPhone To: Beni Brinckman In-Reply-To: <1353873934.14934.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:30:15 -0000 I managed to solve the issue by editing manually master.passwd file then=A0= pwd_mkdb -p master.passwd.=0AFirefly is up&running ;)=0A=0A=0A_____________= ___________________=0A From: D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 =0ATo: Beni Brinckman =0ACc: "freebsd-quest= ions@freebsd.org" =0ASent: Sunday, November= 25, 2012 9:05 PM=0ASubject: Re: Music streaming to iPhone=0A =0AThank you = for the idea!=0A=0ATonight I tried to install firefly but I'm stuck with th= e following error:=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D> Creating users and/or groups.=0AUsing ex= isting group `daapd'.=0ACreating user `daapd' with uid `337'.=0Apw: user 'd= aapd' already exists=0A*** Error code 74=0A=0AAnd when if I try deleting da= apd user:=0A=0A=0A# pw user del daapd=0Apw: no such user `daapd'=0A=0A=0A:(= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Beni Brinckman =0ATo: D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 =0A= Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" =0ASent= : Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: Music streaming to iPhon= e=0A=0AInstall the firefly media server (in audio/*firefly-1696_8) *on your= server=0Aand the simple daap client on you iphone (=0Ahttps://itunes.apple= .com/us/app/simple-daap-client/id369605270?mt=3D8).=0AConnect your iphone t= o the ip-address of the server and you're done.=0AI'm using it with a nas4f= ree server and an ipod touch without any problems.=0ABeni.=0A=0A=0A2012/11/= 25 D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 =0A=0A> Hi Everybody,= =0A>=0A> I have all of my music on my BSD server at home, and I would like = to=0A> listen that music on my iPhone, when I'm home.=0A> Any ideas?=0A>=0A= > Thx!=0A> Laszlo=0A> _______________________________________________=0A> f= reebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A> http://lists.freebsd.org/mail= man/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "=0A> f= reebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0ABeni Brinckm= an.=0A_______________________________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd= -questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscrib= e@freebsd.org"=0A_______________________________________________=0Afreebsd-= questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listi= nfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions= -unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 20:43:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDBEFCE for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1D38FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAPKhXr7024498; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAPKhXn2024495; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:43:33 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? In-Reply-To: <1353846552.2508.23.camel@q> Message-ID: References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> <20121125131908.671f6d31.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353846552.2508.23.camel@q> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:43:34 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:43:41 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:19 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >> How does "doesn't work" appear? > > My apologies that I didn't wrote all error messages, they were about > non-bootable and other things. I guess it' > s better to ignore this and to continue with ... > >> Maybe it's because you have a totally non-standard content >> already on the disk (many Linusi, "extended DOS partitions" >> and so on, and the installer gets confused). That's why it >> would probably be easier to drop to the "Shell" command line >> and use either fdisk + bsdlabel _or_ gpart. > > ... gpart. > > Right now I'll shut down Linux and restart the installer and simply try, > what I've written here: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-November/246767.html > > I'll wait a few minutes, perhaps you read it and say if this is ok. No, it confuses GPT and MBR issues. I thought bsdinstall would install to an MBR partition. That would be the easiest way. If not... Make a full backup first. Assuming the first slice has been deleted. # gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0 Create a FreeBSD disklabel/bsdlabel partitioning scheme inside the FreeBSD slice: # gpart create -s bsd da0s1 Create FreeBSD partitions. Sizes may be adjusted, but these will work. # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -s 2g da0s1 # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -s 1g da0s1 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -s 256m da0s1 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k da0s1 After you have done all this, you can go back and use the Partition selection in bsdinstall to enter types and mountpoints for each. Or you can newfs each and then mount them, setting the location in BSDINSTALL_CHROOT. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 20:49:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6014143 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9008FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAPKn5XY024534; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAPKn5FP024531; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:49:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:49:05 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart In-Reply-To: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> Message-ID: References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:49:06 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:49:06 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > This is what I've got: > > # gpart show ada0 > => 63 625142385 ada0 MBR (298G) > 63 121274683 - free - (57G) > [snip] > > IIUC I now have to do: > > # gpart add -s 64k -t freebsd-boot -l boot0 ada0 > # gpart add -s 8G -t freebsd-swap -l swap0 ada0 > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 256k -l root0 ada0 No. MBR does not need or use a freebsd-boot partition. Also, GPT labels don't work for MBR because, well, it's not GPT. > Here I already don't understand how large the swap should be. Really 2 * > size of the RAM? No, that's less true than it used to be. Depends on how much RAM you have, but the more RAM, the less you really need swap. If disk space is not at a premium, I usually use 4G. > I also don't know if 256k is a sane alignment value, I just copied this > from a howto. For a hard drive, 4K alignment and starting the main partition at 1M is good. > How to continue after this is done? Realize this multi-boot stuff is painful and inconvenient and install everything in a VM? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:08:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA9258A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:08:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jflowers@ezo.net) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6228FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n9so13180218oag.13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:08:00 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=McewJKqkCzr/DZom8JSZToGdSyTMXAeIFJKo6zMuWiE=; b=hMscAUsrwXxdXII373h/7YTRa248vN0Ni1/b4EpLCBAG4iOcNTRp8yeHP+dlU2GBUp cuPpuK9qCnRtGUf/jRZwTlu14oaUtIz+67PNdy+YzZnEnc+0yBQtAA+6akEXxYZKVPFd mayeE8eyjoxZqUuFn6kqnFMtUOhJAxhaBhxg9Q0pFY+qUW/DpH2ThAUjAAQSrNfi/D1D nC3pZNDMkBPqvfO8tGfG1WkotfCYeb764vkO7pUZBkO4buQ9yLklHIo5Vk7eSJUOcQvq oZRE6AQocQ8x7az7c1cJ321GSHAUn6KG+XwB1OIihF2UaRgzHHgU9CGsSR4h47AynKC9 XeFQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.4.161 with SMTP id l1mr7552742oel.141.1353877680166; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.125.68 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 13:08:00 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [174.252.211.4] Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:08:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: VPS FreeBSD Hosting From: Jim Flowers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlkKLpJMORPNAnkkQ6qZQeLtLPafUjHnxMkIgJ3LExiA7G2+kqUJJQDy0H9ZwFS6iLXBp53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:08:01 -0000 I gave up maintaining my own hardware for providing cloud computing services about 10 years ago and have been using several dedicated server services with root-access FreeBSD since about 6.0. with good results. At the time VPS looked like too many problems. Now, however, it looks like there are quite a number of mature VPS hosting services that are FreeBSD-centric at very attractive prices. Most offer KVM or VPS-instance access to allow rebooting and reinstallation. Can anyone comment on the providers and the technology in the context of having used them specifically for FreeBSD in the last few years? Good? Bad? Indifferent? Fairly modest duty - spam filtering, mailboxes, websites, storage, reverse proxy and the like. Oh yeah, some development. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:09:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FE562F for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2876D8FC13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.12.10.89] by nm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 21:09:43 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.109] by tm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 21:09:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 21:09:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353877783; bh=TK1GRoof4XQIKxmDWCbuSU1gGkGTA23JSwcI9P2i0/0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zbkmi9T/BJkgOOacH7qTKM7MX1IVzz1Y8J67olzKOqq1Zjt5uaGMbJAsgAN96wUSipIHc30LwZtV1lzRxQ2q6cevhy4Tse/6ioPcwEsZViAQPLf5ZCNFHpUOsx9zBuKg34HqlqJSNfxaUL/uWFfUupOV31gtupjIcdxjAeNIOgM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 794583.54144.bm@smtp110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: DuMAh0oVM1keQKK8.KgqDRnWMSMUhu8eyuGz9OIK.SP_snz qhVLvmV0oTt1zTYxC18YFMQCQupUM1LfmrA7aTXH18936mMLi2YccNxnyETh qpfbGfrjadV69mQM6gTT_ZRNJAOPpvKM2raoP2JWxFC_v94LGiDIN2yDtx0q QsRFewBlU1q0tI4aaXS5Mbs2W2P199el6Ug68a3ha2wLxP88V4fVffNZRVlz 1PHOJAPfbnQZrbHIc1kKJf4HQp.slsc6usg9lmlUvfV7tkA01EwWg2CoYfPO bp8O_xc146v6NGYMJc6wibxwgQo_ALB06Ao.0RBxKNAJBz.fnR3UlMMAB.aV jmAatfkUE9G0kvbRhUVBF3e9egec6I3.26FFM4IdXqMOpe6a3pw83Xbou91B aUIX90vJiKZ26HVCUAHHhBTbW4dS3RkjZvW3Jq33WS_Q- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 13:09:43 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1353877782.2508.225.camel@q> Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:09:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> <20121125131908.671f6d31.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353846552.2508.23.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:09:52 -0000 I can't backup the whole HDDs :(. I backup some data from HDD1 to HDD2 and te other data from HDD2 to HDD1. On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:43 -0700, Warren Block wrote: > Assuming the first slice has been deleted. Correct. > # gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0 > > Create a FreeBSD disklabel/bsdlabel partitioning scheme inside the > FreeBSD slice: > > # gpart create -s bsd da0s1 > > Create FreeBSD partitions. Sizes may be adjusted, but these will work. > > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -s 2g da0s1 > # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1 > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -s 1g da0s1 > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -s 256m da0s1 > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k da0s1 > > After you have done all this, you can go back and use the Partition > selection in bsdinstall to enter types and mountpoints for each. Or you > can newfs each and then mount them, setting the location in > BSDINSTALL_CHROOT. I would prefer to continue with the installer. However, I guess for my needs just / is needed, so I guess # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1 # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k da0s1 is what I should run?! 512m (it doesn't matter to use m or M?) is enough swap? I've got 4GB RAM. On Linux I use 2 swaps each around 2GB, but they are not much used. For Linux there are no valid rules any more, how to set up the swap, or at least I don't know the rules. Thank you, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:13:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F746E1; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCE58FC14; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3FC69B3; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:13:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CC1BB9547; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:13:25 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: grarpamp Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity References: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:13:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: (grarpamp@gmail.com's message of "Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:00:06 -0500") Message-ID: <864nkdtmh6.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:13:27 -0000 grarpamp writes: > Any of hundreds of committer and admin accounts could be compromised > with the attacker silently editing the repo. FUD. Committer accounts don't have direct access to the repo. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:24:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16C0A20 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:24:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD0A8FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-51-39.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.51.39]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04FD2766A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:24:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAPLOmps006911 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:24:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:24:48 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? Message-Id: <20121125222448.0101e539.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1353877782.2508.225.camel@q> References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> <20121125131908.671f6d31.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353846552.2508.23.camel@q> <1353877782.2508.225.camel@q> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:24:49 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:09:42 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I can't backup the whole HDDs :(. I backup some data from HDD1 to HDD2 > and te other data from HDD2 to HDD1. Per definition, that's just a copy, not a backup. :-) > I would prefer to continue with the installer. > > However, I guess for my needs just / is needed, so I guess > > # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1 > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k da0s1 > > is what I should run?! > > 512m (it doesn't matter to use m or M?) is enough swap? If you have sufficient disk space, going for about 2 GB swap won't be problematic (and offer you some "free space" for "unexpected" use of swap). >From "man gpart": "Its size is given by the -s size option. SI unit suffixes are allowed." The SI unit suffix per definition is M, but if m also works, both seem to be valid. There's an example reading "/sbin/gpart add -s 512M -t freebsd-ufs da0" in the EXAMPLES section. > I've got 4GB > RAM. On Linux I use 2 swaps each around 2GB, but they are not much used. > For Linux there are no valid rules any more, how to set up the swap, or > at least I don't know the rules. In fact, there are no definite rules anymore. The use of swap depends on too many factors (HDD or SSD, how many, RAID layout, RAM in machine, applications, ...) to make an easy rule. But better have swap you don't need than to need swap you don't have. :-) I still wonder how or why the new installer fails with the task discussed here. Basically, if there is free space on the disk, one should be able to use fdisk to allocate it to a FreeBSD slice (cf. "DOS primary partition") and then use disklabel (bsdlabel) to create the required partitions inside this slice (/ and swap, in your case). There would be no need to write any boot codes or MBR stuff as GRUB will chainload the FreeBSD loader (hd0,a:/boot/loader). Modern technology... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:29:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA8BB22 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:29:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF00D8FC12 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber6 (nber6.nber.org [66.251.72.76]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qAPLT2on062629; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:29:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:18:23 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Feenberg X-X-Sender: feenberg@nber6 To: Jim Flowers Subject: Re: VPS FreeBSD Hosting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20121125 #8520692, check: 20121125 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:29:27 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Jim Flowers wrote: > I gave up maintaining my own hardware for providing cloud computing > services about 10 years ago and have been using several dedicated server > services with root-access FreeBSD since about 6.0. with good results. At > the time VPS looked like too many problems. > > Now, however, it looks like there are quite a number of mature VPS hosting > services that are FreeBSD-centric at very attractive prices. Most offer KVM > or VPS-instance access to allow rebooting and reinstallation. > > Can anyone comment on the providers and the technology in the context of > having used them specifically for FreeBSD in the last few years? Good? > Bad? Indifferent? > We have had good experience with pair.com and rootbsd.com. Both were used for websites. We never had any problems with either, so I can't report on their problem solving skills, but customer service from both was good for the handful of routine questions we had. dan feenberg > Fairly modest duty - spam filtering, mailboxes, websites, storage, reverse > proxy and the like. > > Oh yeah, some development. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:34:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AD6ED9 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1241A8FC12 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAPLY58M024830; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:34:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAPLY4ei024827; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:34:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:34:04 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: How to create a partition for FreeBSD 9.0? In-Reply-To: <1353877782.2508.225.camel@q> Message-ID: References: <1353795280.2662.12.camel@q> <20121124233520.7ad4b4be.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353798889.2662.46.camel@q> <20121125002717.11a61c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353807268.2773.16.camel@q> <20121125131908.671f6d31.freebsd@edvax.de> <1353846552.2508.23.camel@q> <1353877782.2508.225.camel@q> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:34:05 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:34:07 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I can't backup the whole HDDs :(. I backup some data from HDD1 to HDD2 > and te other data from HDD2 to HDD1. > > On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:43 -0700, Warren Block wrote: >> Assuming the first slice has been deleted. > > Correct. > >> # gpart add -t freebsd -i1 ada0 >> >> Create a FreeBSD disklabel/bsdlabel partitioning scheme inside the >> FreeBSD slice: >> >> # gpart create -s bsd da0s1 >> >> Create FreeBSD partitions. Sizes may be adjusted, but these will work. >> >> # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -s 2g da0s1 >> # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1 >> # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -s 1g da0s1 >> # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -s 256m da0s1 >> # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k da0s1 >> >> After you have done all this, you can go back and use the Partition >> selection in bsdinstall to enter types and mountpoints for each. Or you >> can newfs each and then mount them, setting the location in >> BSDINSTALL_CHROOT. > > I would prefer to continue with the installer. > > However, I guess for my needs just / is needed, so I guess > > # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s 512m da0s1 > # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k da0s1 I think we just found in another thread that the UFS partition must be first, but it will have to have a size stated. > 512m (it doesn't matter to use m or M?) is enough swap? I've got 4GB > RAM. On Linux I use 2 swaps each around 2GB, but they are not much used. Use more if you like. It will not hurt, and might be useful in some situations. The "m" or "g" is not case-sensitive. So the command above to allocate 40G for a filesystem and the rest to swap would be # gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -a 4k -s 40g da0s1 # gpart add -t freebsd-swap -a 4k -s da0s1 Bootcode might also be needed on the FreeBSD slice, but I have not used grub, so don't know for sure. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:34:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76300EDA for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:34:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j+fbsd@salmi.ch) Received: from rho.salmi.ch (rho.salmi.ch [178.63.9.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BBE8FC13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moray.salmi.ch (46-126-109-166.dynamic.hispeed.ch [46.126.109.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "moray.salmi.ch", Issuer "Salmi CA" (verified OK)) by rho.salmi.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80544F8A7 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:26:25 +0100 (CET) Received: by moray.salmi.ch (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 510C252F0; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:26:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:26:25 +0100 From: Jukka Salmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: serial console issues with FreeBSD 9.0 (i386) Message-ID: <20121125212625.GB10174@moray.salmi.ch> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Client-OS: NetBSD/i386 5.1_STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:34:08 -0000 Hello While installing FreeBSD 9.0 i386 on a Soekris net6501 I ran into some problems regarding the serial console. Those problems and their workarounds are described below -- for the archives, in case someone runs into them as well. After having read section 27.6 "Setting Up the Serial Console" from the "FreeBSD Handbook" and the man pages related to boot(8) and loader(8) I decided to go for the option to configure the serial console using boot.config(5). I wrote the FreeBSD 9.0 i386 memstick image to a memory stick, mounted the root file system and created boot.config therein, containing '-h -S57600' on a single line (yes, without the quotes ;-)). But booting from this stick failed with > boot 82 <- Soekris comBIOS prompt /bInvalid format followed by a system reboot. However, this was not always reproducible; every now and then booting succeeded. Coincidentally I noticed that with the two boot(8) arguments swapped (i.e. with '-S57600 -h'), booting seems to always succeed: > boot 82 /boot.config: -S57600 -h Consoles: serial port [...] A similar (same?) problem seems to exist when booting the installed system from hard disk: if /boot.config contains '-h -S57600', booting fails with > boot <- Soekris comBIOS prompt /b being output, after which the system seems to freeze -- at least no reboot and no disk access seem to happen. When swapping the order of boot(8) arguments (i.e. '-S57600 -h'), the system boots fine: > boot /boot.config: -S57600 -h Consoles: serial port [...] At least according to its man page, boot(8) seems to require the console speed option to be passed as a last option -- or am I missing something? BTW, I just noticed that these boot failures only seem to happen with particular speed settings: while with 57600 and 38400 the problem takes place as described above, with 19200 and 9600 it does _not_, i.e. the system boots fine. Hmm, any hints? Cheers, Jukka -- This email fills a much-needed gap in the archives. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:34:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A921977 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm25-vm5.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm25-vm5.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3B68FC1A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.182] by nm25.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 21:34:38 -0000 Received: from [77.238.184.68] by tm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 21:34:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp137.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2012 21:34:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1353879278; bh=Lpi4Co12ktrYWBcj8tB5iNekgD+ytzcbaS3Uw9uXsMc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qMMyCIw4QIytEc7/pdD8XCfgDwqgEE7ckgCMYoDj1c8zTtqAQJJ5CDrF2QS7qglJdrrKQbBZ02L96bLipz8ttlQwtehadnwdmZxi7vEZAqCVcWoC+FwjPAhofnmOjT6zV8VQWeblikilaBVzLwTnKyS6YbktLDK6bmcaa3qXWlQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 836839.83920.bm@smtp137.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: HWvlS2sVM1njfpzBUE9pEcHv20DgMiQr6FY3qjODohMlkK1 j4YcfCCXCOiCXl0q6Z7jn35QHWyXIt66Vb0pfJEkjaNCajsND.HpPwNMRWhj 9095LvSq328kGRmBCJzq6XUWl.TGEcs8a2kVGlXHQkfsM9xqfxlBy7AmZDGX BnVKdN0CU8Q2bjrVbPC4wu0XsplB3aW0Fn6wWauh_GsTUKJmWWg._dAMVmNc A_hf3BfDusIZmaxmNetGonzsJO3drhCZl7rUcSewAqnCedZEgtldQMCGfMuo xLi7U8uFe91rYnZ8hnLRDANbWpmcC1.xGnhk4svJTXto12bEXc7HShKuolAF Ynn.ejgzGxQfbT.0_ucWbuVaze_LOvBkKEGNv3MA8xTinoHWUNuCiUkHAYtQ 1VmCAvmNqwnYGjTTnb5RmOoRDfyy6LLEOzDhNdjE- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Received: from [85.182.22.141] (ralf.mardorf@85.182.22.141 with login) by smtp137.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2012 21:34:38 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <1353879277.2508.238.camel@q> Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:34:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:34:46 -0000 On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 13:49 -0700, Warren Block wrote: > Realize this multi-boot stuff is painful and inconvenient and install > everything in a VM? Unfortunately this is impossible. I'll install FreeBSD, because there's a driver for my sound card, a RME HDSPe AIO, that perhaps enables to use all ADAT IOs. On Linux I only can use 2 ADAT IOs. Another step could be to replace Linux by FreeBSD on my machine, but I suspect FreeBSD isn't ready for audio production yet. Assumed it should be ready, a virtual machine can't be used. Any layer does cause issues for audio production machines. I was thinking of doing a test install in VBox, but I guess it's a minor risk that I'll lose everything by making an mistake. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:51:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62253379 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:51:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [93.89.92.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106038FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCF9E65EA for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:56:17 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=eLmTBCj+etgM WniGAeFwtCiOti0=; b=zWKlfQ2wjJ/7xKOtNdUrq5MjSF9NoCs0Ypt923rLMXLi z94dQJ6h/JIlNbTMnKDlDyiBT64/j/M602uE5B5IEVoEh74GVxBCm8HjxpcSgoWJ zNzmXPiXsBME8y1TkEczFmESJiOv2YyEq7mQc11b/s7tD9lqeIEGbjMytmiOIzM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=n2HXX/ RQXhfUQmhsSDxCGjCoCCl586KxFAuCoW3jQ2nOO9s4rxG+pf2qHh/OPIdult/1yx zsbXcHfiqx2DzA6/ngbAr+kqeMO3GVbuz4wMiRRQ72ySaElvrN1KcP+IQu9oxOgO kAPFm2XH1uwPRVLt0Oh0ceJLF+FdBkqqvY+xs= Received: from [IPv6:2a01:348:301:2:2827:2d9e:7939:abfb] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:301:2:2827:2d9e:7939:abfb]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A28FEE65D2 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:56:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <50B292F7.9010902@cran.org.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:51:51 +0000 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VPS FreeBSD Hosting References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:51:58 -0000 On 25/11/2012 21:08, Jim Flowers wrote: > Can anyone comment on the providers and the technology in the context of > having used them specifically for FreeBSD in the last few years? Good? > Bad? Indifferent? What part of the world are you in? In the US there's RootBSD; in Europe there are a few, including Goscomb. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 22:07:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268466B6 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:07:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C5F8FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c13so7389252eek.13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:07:26 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=RevrlbfWtuEPjIcH3/qPjcEeZ5g1gp98tPSLx6eE3jk=; b=gZbubAPhrayfBsMAJ3I+vctWu4iPaC8MonL/R4pQrDS9jP91dowz0jMaNKQq5q6HAu 3NDhTYftsp76cI0bg+Ew8O/IVF6/3nlwh/3/ygkaq++vINFQQ+/UcXgkiqlnfKBvHYJ6 meQS8yawBzqYR9ParVbxIYAc5N/1zJStg7YN257yVfbCcfI52v8ipb58mG6EVy4n0Nmm pA3ulSXQI4FdQeBEVl6JG1enFAOsK6E0/SBMtMVAzmflKzHG4G5gM5YbkXecuaBNAWsw 3/qhSK1sGelwJSMVjWddXWaVV4yLWj7FpSeO1xhK1dW/aG/fy4ov/YFv8DXtWM+CxsgU D+iA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.205.65 with SMTP id i41mr38230553eeo.2.1353881246504; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.71.194 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:07:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:07:26 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: VPS FreeBSD Hosting From: Michael Sierchio To: Jim Flowers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQncjAX69Vu7UDzjp8zEn/gPVNvyb1LnEnRQMpe1jI489IH8AY6bAlvmOxWhuhRGS1OShbZE Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:07:28 -0000 Top-posting for brevity. I use EC2. You can start with Colin Percival's HVM instances - I run a Xen kernel using a modified version of his original scheme - which is to have a 1GB Linux partition running grub to boot from a FreeBSD disk. I'm happy to share an AMI with you, but you should try Colin's stuff. On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Jim Flowers wrote: > I gave up maintaining my own hardware for providing cloud computing > services about 10 years ago and have been using several dedicated server > services with root-access FreeBSD since about 6.0. with good results. At > the time VPS looked like too many problems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 23:11:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16762677 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FF68FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAPNAoU0041848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:10:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <50B2A57A.3050500@tundraware.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:10:50 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: When Is The Ports Tree Going To Be Updated? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:10:50 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: qAPNAoU0041848 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:11:07 -0000 After the recent security scare, I know the ports tree was temporarily frozen. Does anyone know when it will again be updates. I just upgraded to 9.1-PRE and need to rebuild Firefox & Thunderbird against the new libraries and ... they're broken, marked as security hazards... TIA, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 23:25:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F19773 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AD38FC0C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.2.117.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAPNPKHQ005611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:25:20 GMT (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk qAPNPKHQ005611 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/qAPNPKHQ005611; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (insecure policy) Message-ID: <50B2A8D8.90301@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:25:12 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Daneliuk Subject: Re: When Is The Ports Tree Going To Be Updated? References: <50B2A57A.3050500@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <50B2A57A.3050500@tundraware.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig13604FE119DFF1C97D3CC0BC" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:25:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig13604FE119DFF1C97D3CC0BC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 25/11/2012 23:10, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > After the recent security scare, I know the ports tree was temporarily > frozen. Does anyone know when it will again be updates. I just upgrad= ed > to 9.1-PRE and need to rebuild Firefox & Thunderbird against the new > libraries and ... they're broken, marked as security hazards... It's been being updated normally since near enough a week ago. "Normally" means subject to the pre-9.1-RELEASE restrictions on sweeping changes as is usual at this point in a release cycle. FireFox 17 and Thunderbird 17 updates were committed to ports on 20th November. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig13604FE119DFF1C97D3CC0BC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlCyqOAACgkQ8Mjk52CukIz2LACfWuF1YhzcyUpDYfTdZbN61KIO yEYAnAm4iPsu+nP7YiEItmWGJ6BCWQqa =Pu10 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig13604FE119DFF1C97D3CC0BC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 23:30:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C07834 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D344D8FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAPNUFLJ036904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:30:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <50B2AA07.8090103@tundraware.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:30:15 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: When Is The Ports Tree Going To Be Updated? References: <50B2A57A.3050500@tundraware.com> <50B2A8D8.90301@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <50B2A8D8.90301@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:30:15 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: qAPNUFLJ036904 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:30:29 -0000 On 11/25/2012 05:25 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 25/11/2012 23:10, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> After the recent security scare, I know the ports tree was temporarily >> frozen. Does anyone know when it will again be updates. I just upgraded >> to 9.1-PRE and need to rebuild Firefox & Thunderbird against the new >> libraries and ... they're broken, marked as security hazards... > > It's been being updated normally since near enough a week ago. > "Normally" means subject to the pre-9.1-RELEASE restrictions on sweeping > changes as is usual at this point in a release cycle. > > FireFox 17 and Thunderbird 17 updates were committed to ports on 20th > November. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > Hmmm, something is amiss: [root] ~>portsnap update Ports tree is already up to date. [root] ~>cd /usr/ports/www/firefox [root] /usr/ports/www/firefox>make ===> firefox-16.0.2,1 has known vulnerabilities: Affected package: firefox-16.0.2,1 Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. Reference: http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/d23119df-335d-11e2-b64c-c8600054b392.html => Please update your ports tree and try again. *** [check-vulnerable] Error code 1 Stop in /usr1/ports/www/firefox. ** [build] Error code 1 Stop in /usr1/ports/www/firefox. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 00:56:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296C4110 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 00:56:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39DA8FC08 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 00:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s9so11455978iec.13 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:56:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :x-kmail-markup:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=Su6Ymel5kWVzoYwJSPPjhQH59MbWtnmcmIYGFXqfqxE=; b=dZhY1fPPLsJvut/dkvvZ1XdVsK+PJEHP0jU0/7Xzu8yXCwbplCrp+PFADIJ4uiVOdP Abzk0O+ZdtVr8Jr7I4OLdEoclBc2LujEe/he7541yx4GvyUCyFXRkifRCVv9qy/HONO/ 0gSNdeaOapJk2D+jtqpjXqyIQHTZePfAU4QiOJicPamDRLoBazZ1na7tazsFy2EcnLVT /kY6h51l8ocvA8f+Fxg6tvDmaIXicGYnRirkv/fsMP5WgQDHgig04wRV5h7QFHf6e+Qb Ud8i/OGiDlnc3IjRefPQ9fWCfrV/Z6DFrYTGbD4AU4UDMZwVfiOoiX0AQgYpso9aoRm5 6dXA== Received: by 10.42.68.68 with SMTP id w4mr8379368ici.30.1353891410078; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s3sm10666776igb.14.2012.11.25.16.56.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When Is The Ports Tree Going To Be Updated? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:56:40 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RC3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) References: <50B2A57A.3050500@tundraware.com> <50B2A8D8.90301@FreeBSD.org> <50B2AA07.8090103@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <50B2AA07.8090103@tundraware.com> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201211251856.40381.lumiwa@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Tim Daneliuk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 00:56:51 -0000 On Sunday 25 November 2012 17:30:15 Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 11/25/2012 05:25 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > On 25/11/2012 23:10, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > >> After the recent security scare, I know the ports tree was temporarily > >> frozen. Does anyone know when it will again be updates. I just > >> upgraded to 9.1-PRE and need to rebuild Firefox & Thunderbird against > >> the new libraries and ... they're broken, marked as security hazards... > > > > It's been being updated normally since near enough a week ago. > > "Normally" means subject to the pre-9.1-RELEASE restrictions on sweeping > > changes as is usual at this point in a release cycle. > > > > FireFox 17 and Thunderbird 17 updates were committed to ports on 20th > > November. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Matthew > > Hmmm, something is amiss: > > [root] ~>portsnap update > Ports tree is already up to date. > [root] ~>cd /usr/ports/www/firefox > [root] /usr/ports/www/firefox>make > ===> firefox-16.0.2,1 has known vulnerabilities: > Affected package: firefox-16.0.2,1 > Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. > Reference: > http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/d23119df-335d-11e2-b64c-c8600054b392.html => > Please update your ports tree and try again. > *** [check-vulnerable] Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr1/ports/www/firefox. > ** [build] Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr1/ports/www/firefox. I use portsnap fetch update and it works... Mitja -------- http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 00:59:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF22291 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 00:59:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0EE8FC0C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 00:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAQ0xDxO031520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:59:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <50B2BEE1.9030903@tundraware.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:59:13 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When Is The Ports Tree Going To Be Updated? References: <50B2A57A.3050500@tundraware.com> <50B2A8D8.90301@FreeBSD.org> <50B2AA07.8090103@tundraware.com> <201211251856.40381.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201211251856.40381.lumiwa@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:59:13 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: qAQ0xDxO031520 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 00:59:25 -0000 On 11/25/2012 06:56 PM, ajtiM wrote: > On Sunday 25 November 2012 17:30:15 Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> On 11/25/2012 05:25 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >>> On 25/11/2012 23:10, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >>>> After the recent security scare, I know the ports tree was temporarily >>>> frozen. Does anyone know when it will again be updates. I just >>>> upgraded to 9.1-PRE and need to rebuild Firefox & Thunderbird against >>>> the new libraries and ... they're broken, marked as security hazards... >>> >>> It's been being updated normally since near enough a week ago. >>> "Normally" means subject to the pre-9.1-RELEASE restrictions on sweeping >>> changes as is usual at this point in a release cycle. >>> >>> FireFox 17 and Thunderbird 17 updates were committed to ports on 20th >>> November. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Matthew >> >> Hmmm, something is amiss: >> >> [root] ~>portsnap update >> Ports tree is already up to date. >> [root] ~>cd /usr/ports/www/firefox >> [root] /usr/ports/www/firefox>make >> ===> firefox-16.0.2,1 has known vulnerabilities: >> Affected package: firefox-16.0.2,1 >> Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. >> Reference: >> http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/d23119df-335d-11e2-b64c-c8600054b392.html => >> Please update your ports tree and try again. >> *** [check-vulnerable] Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr1/ports/www/firefox. >> ** [build] Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr1/ports/www/firefox. > > I use portsnap fetch update and it works... Ah, maybe that was the problem. That works for me as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:22:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22ED6A0 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 01:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lbc@bnrlabs.com) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8B28FC12 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 01:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bnrlabs.com (unknown [82.224.61.5]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E66A6196; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 02:22:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [172.20.96.112]) by mail.bnrlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE91C46072; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 02:22:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50B2C43F.8030802@bnrlabs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 02:22:07 +0100 From: "Lucas B. Cohen" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Manually partitioning using gpart References: <1353842774.2508.18.camel@q> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ralf Mardorf , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 01:22:15 -0000 Hi Warren, On 2012.11.25 21:49, Warren Block wrote: > For a hard drive, 4K alignment and starting the main partition at 1M is > good. Why would one leave 1024 full kbits before the first partition on a HDD ? 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