Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:30:01 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Carey <research@ijs.co.nz> To: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/33567: RELENG_4 won't makeworld; bsd.dep.mk, Makefile.inc1 bugs; "Linux ELF" need of kernel Message-ID: <200202051930.g15JU1p77719@freefall.freebsd.org>
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The following reply was made to PR misc/33567; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Craig Carey <research@ijs.co.nz> To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: misc/33567: RELENG_4 won't makeworld; bsd.dep.mk, Makefile.inc1 bugs; "Linux ELF" need of kernel Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:21:23 +1300 At 02.01.29 04:45 -0800 Tuesday, sheldonh@FreeBSD.org wrote: ------------------ ... Received: (from sheldonh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0TCjrt98270; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:45:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh) *Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:45:53 -0800 (PST) *From: <sheldonh@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200201291245.g0TCjrt98270@freefall.freebsd.org> *To: research@ijs.co.nz, sheldonh@FreeBSD.org, * freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org *Subject: Re: misc/33567: RELENG_4 won't makeworld; bsd.dep.mk, Makefile.inc1 * bugs; "Linux ELF" need of kernel ------------------ >Synopsis: RELENG_4 won't makeworld; bsd.dep.mk, Makefile.inc1 bugs; "Linux ELF" need of kernel > >State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback >State-Changed-By: sheldonh >State-Changed-When: Tue Jan 29 04:45:39 PST 2002 >State-Changed-Why: >It's hard to find outstanding issues in the audit trail of this PR. >That's part of the problem associated with reporting more than one >problem in a single PR. > >Given that the recommended procedure for downgrading from CURRENT to >STABLE is a binary install / upgrade, could you itemize the outstanding >problems that need attention? FreeBSD experts download hundreds of MB of files instead of editing up buildworld scripts to get them past a string of crashes?. I would recommend that advise on recommended downgrade methods be worded so that it does not apply to FreeBSD experts that know about how to edit the *.mk files (something that I thought needed for the v5->v4 downgrade). Perhaps that sentence starting with "Given that ..." is actually saying that most parts of my bug report are already disregarded. It is not that clear. It would unreasonable to be frank, to suppose that FreeBSD experts should themselves follow the 'alleged to exist' recommendation that apparently would apply against the masses that would fail in their attempt to go from v4 to v5. Such a closing would misses the aspect that a mere few added lines could be all that it takes to have less person hours being wasted. They may be a failure in the bug handling decision there. But I previously saw that Mr Clark was edging onto that. He and I were writing privately, including on bits around law. Messages never appeared at the report system. I find the sentence "Given that the .... attention", is very much too subtly worded, if indeed it is attempting to close most of the report. The dep.bsd.mk problems was about missing include file paths, and it was suggested that some recommendation says to get binary files which maybe makes no change to the include files. It is far from clear that following the recommendation does not lead to exactly the same problems. In any case, a quick closing on technical grounds can be unsound when the bugs are small and tiny in number and partly identified, and the inconvenience that not fixing them could cause is large. What happened to Mr Clark who was handling this. Since he and I did communicate over law in 'misc/33567' (and that has not made it into the bug system's archives) then there could have been a different outcome not that I can be sure if a "not recommended way was used" thing happened here. > >Please copy your feedback to <bug-followup@freebsd.org>, using the >subject line of this message. > >http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=33567 I never found out why the report could not be reproduced. It is plain that many would not want to but there was a report that reproducing the problems of 33567 was attempted. I remind that I declared that these lines should be added to /usr/share/mk/bsd.dep.mk : CFLAGS+= -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/include \ -I/usr/src/sys/i386/include -I/usr/src/sys/sys I added those lines and buildworld would proceed successfully except for resolvable problems with "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1". Thus even some testing of the described bug fixes was done. I will overlook the fact that a technical arguments was used. There are many ways to close this FreeBSD bug report. Craig Carey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message
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