Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:31:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chris H" <bsd-lists@1command.com> To: "freebsd-perl" <freebsd-perl@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-stable" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Please remove Perl from ports Message-ID: <622977670ec4e80b844c5c6c978ae6f6.authenticated@ultimatedns.net>
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Greetings,
I currently manage several RELENG_8 servers. Recent changes in the
manner in which base && ports must be managed have resulted in more
than a fair amount of grief. the migration from cv(sup) --> subversion
required re-working long standing, carefully crafted management
procedures to be pitched to the trash, and re-invented. A recent change
to the Perl installation structure presents an entire new set of headaches,
rendering up(grading|dating) near, if not completely impossible. Case in
point; an i386 8.3-STABLE box with it's last update just prior to the
Perl structure change, began a new update this morning via portmaster(8).
As it reached 163/300 upgrade targets, the process died with a missing
dependency error -- p5-XML-Simple. Exploring /var/db/pkg revealed that
it had already been installed/upgraded (p5-XML-Simple-2.20). Any
attempt to re-install/forceably upgrade the module failed with
"p5-XML-Simple-2.20 not installed". According to /usr/ports/UPDATING;
20130612:
AFFECTS: users of lang/perl* and any port that depends on it
AUTHOR: az@FreeBSD.org
lang/perl5.12 has been upgraded from version 5.12.4 to 5.12.5
lang/perl5.14 has been upgraded from version 5.14.2 to 5.14.4
lang/perl5.16 has been upgraded from version 5.16.2 to 5.16.3
The directory structure where Perl is installed has also been modified:
"major.minor" is now used instead of "major.minor.patchlevel".
The "perl-after-upgrade" script has been removed.
Please rebuild all Perl ports and all ports that depend on it:
# portmaster -r perl
or
# portupgrade -rf perl
or
# pkg install -fR perl
# portmaster -r perl
===>>> perl is not installed
===>>> Aborting update
Hmm...
# ls /usr/local/lib/perl5
5.14 5.14.2 site_perl
Yep. Perl is installed.
Any attempt to upgrade/update *any* Perl, or Perl related
ports fail. I think it's probably fair to say, that the
restructuring of the Perl installation is the cause -- no?
How does reading, and following the instruction(s) provided
in /usr/ports/UPDATING help, or resolve such matters?
WHY was this change *required*? How does this help FreeBSD's
base users? Couldn't th(is|ese) changes been given enough
forethought to have provided tools/procedures that guarantee/
ensure that those affected, can make the transition smoothly?
That those who's income is directly affected by FreeBSD, be
relatively unencumbered by the changes?
While I recognize that many might argue that updating more
frequently would eliminate most -- if not all of these issues.
I can only say, that that _shouldn't_ be the case. For many,
schedules don't always permit this, and if given the right
tools, this wouldn't be an issue at all.
While I also recognize that those whom haven't experienced
these issues, all of this might just sound like a "rant". I
don't believe that all of the problems generated by the
changes needed to have occurred.
So, in the end; why did Perl have to be relocated? Is my only
recourse at this point to
# cd /
# rm -rf .
slib the DVD into the slot, and push the reset button?
Thank you for all your time, and consideration in this matter.
--chris
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