From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 26 20:03:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B401216A4CE; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.village.org [168.103.84.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF5043D2F; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:03:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6QK2dLe054088; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:02:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20040726.140254.88474690.imp@bsdimp.com> To: green@freebsd.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20040726191004.GC96815@green.homeunix.org> References: <20040726181821.GB96815@green.homeunix.org> <20040726125328.L32601@pooker.samsco.org> <20040726191004.GC96815@green.homeunix.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: scottl@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org cc: bugghy@home.ro Subject: Re: magic sysrq keys functionality X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:03:38 -0000 In message: <20040726191004.GC96815@green.homeunix.org> Brian Fundakowski Feldman writes: : On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 12:54:39PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: : > On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Brian Fundakowski Feldman wrote: : > > I think it would be prudent to add a nice fat "WARNING:" printf to the : > > boot process. It's really not obvious that FreeBSD defaults to having : > > your hard drives run "unsafely," even though it is usually faster. : > > : > : > I think that this was discussed too. The problem is that Linux and : > Windows also silently default to having it on, and breaking from that : > status quo causes too much haertburn. : : The status quo of FreeBSD and Linux shouldn't really apply to FreeBSD... : we're supposed to be about stability and correctness. And we're also not supposed to get into stupid, absolute arguments. All disk media is unsafe to some degree or another. It is the degree of the unsafeness that can be controlled. To pretend otherwise, and yell about how 'unsafe' it is really is counter productive. The current setting represents a compromise between many competing factors and now is not the time to reopen the debate. We've fought this war, it is resolved. Time to move on. Warner