From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 9 06:12:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE25108C23F; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 06:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-f193.google.com (mail-vk1-f193.google.com [209.85.221.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 341CD872D1; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 06:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk1-f193.google.com with SMTP id b78-v6so2247271vka.12; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 23:12:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DPtrjNS2g8xBj3NtgcL63OQXasUMEkP7R9dbpOOKUOM=; b=inNep0RzvQ3bpxrgz+1m2B/DkJdmlvAZrP5VI0qVVd0AouY2iJY+XmOLztgLwnQNt7 T5Me0rnsIoAiOzlMdF/QQFC0jJ5HvCMHziXYdXgCowKhCu6ejbie8InLFi3NMSb3U/dv 96F4H65T7hEfjYJNw99fYvmPLoNXtdkbsPxcMiu9lzYoF8/oEfv9ZMa5Yilf+uvSNwNa Q+oWQSsue1cuJlq6ptmqhV8G9HXNisdt5t6GESrbCfjaG4xkETa4C8dhMENqi9AZEjb1 R5uwqM5N9/NZAzcuqXM9PJc2FH2HWjkmnqX4zD1/cZ/7NQ3BTyJHcuGHYWQAW/9ptDVw MIhg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51CckSGs1MW7LGOrmTVmNJky1inIplQnjivkdYf9QmthoPkU7i4Y qgQdj3XkJ+LLRBDuz4OILrXTeiYETcAsTNqaNnqkMoqR X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZvJtj8RJ4502myW423NvblOONuAB5s2jtydAPLxRa7OGn/0KQ2H6mW99WM8ggEhIXOODqVLZCImigTC8Bm2gs= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:2cce:: with SMTP id s197-v6mr4172856vks.106.1536448236778; Sat, 08 Sep 2018 16:10:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180902114502.e59ab940d98cd43cd6f1ca11@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: From: CeDeROM Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 01:10:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD OpenCL/CUDA nVidia To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , cpghost@cordula.ws Cc: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , FreeBSD Stable , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 10:17:00 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 06:12:52 -0000 Just to conclude: NVIDIA SUX - just as most of you stated no support from nVidia to Open-Source and more interesting OpenCL applications of their GPU - after almost 15 years of being loyal customer (purchased 5+ cards and recommended to others) I say GOODBYE NVIDIA WILL NOT RECOMMEND YOU TO ANYONE ANYMORE! ATI/AMD RADEON ROX - I have just bought RADEON RX 580 and OpenCL seems available here - HELLO AMD RADEON - you have just re-gained old customer I missed your smooth edges and better colors :-) # clinfo Number of platforms 2 Platform Name Clover Platform Vendor Mesa Platform Version OpenCL 1.1 Mesa 18.1.5 Platform Profile FULL_PROFILE Platform Extensions cl_khr_icd Platform Extensions function suffix MESA Platform Name Portable Computing Language Platform Vendor The pocl project Platform Version OpenCL 2.0 pocl 0.14, LLVM 4.0.1 Platform Profile FULL_PROFILE Platform Extensions cl_khr_icd Platform Extensions function suffix POCL Platform Name Clover Number of devices 1 Device Name Radeon RX 580 Series (POLARIS10, DRM 3.8.0, 11.2-RELEASE-p2, LLVM 6.0.1) Device Vendor AMD Device Vendor ID 0x1002 Device Version OpenCL 1.1 Mesa 18.1.5 Driver Version 18.1.5 Device OpenCL C Version OpenCL C 1.1 Device Type GPU Device Profile FULL_PROFILE Max compute units 36 Max clock frequency 1366MHz Max work item dimensions 3 Max work item sizes 256x256x256 Max work group size 256 Preferred work group size multiple 64 Preferred / native vector sizes char 16 / 16 short 8 / 8 int 4 / 4 long 2 / 2 half 8 / 8 (cl_khr_fp16) float 4 / 4 double 2 / 2 (cl_khr_fp64) Half-precision Floating-point support (cl_khr_fp16) Denormals No Infinity and NANs Yes Round to nearest Yes Round to zero No Round to infinity No IEEE754-2008 fused multiply-add No Support is emulated in software No Correctly-rounded divide and sqrt operations No Single-precision Floating-point support (core) Denormals No Infinity and NANs Yes Round to nearest Yes Round to zero No Round to infinity No IEEE754-2008 fused multiply-add No Support is emulated in software No Correctly-rounded divide and sqrt operations No Double-precision Floating-point support (cl_khr_fp64) Denormals Yes Infinity and NANs Yes Round to nearest Yes Round to zero Yes Round to infinity Yes IEEE754-2008 fused multiply-add Yes Support is emulated in software No Correctly-rounded divide and sqrt operations No Address bits 64, Little-Endian Global memory size 8552468480 (7.965GiB) Error Correction support No Max memory allocation 7697221632 (7.169GiB) Unified memory for Host and Device No Minimum alignment for any data type 128 bytes Alignment of base address 32768 bits (4096 bytes) Global Memory cache type None Image support No Local memory type Local Local memory size 32768 (32KiB) Max constant buffer size 2147483647 (2GiB) Max number of constant args 16 Max size of kernel argument 1024 Queue properties Out-of-order execution No Profiling Yes Profiling timer resolution 0ns Execution capabilities Run OpenCL kernels Yes Run native kernels No Device Available Yes Compiler Available Yes Device Extensions cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_int64_base_atomics cl_khr_int64_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_fp16 Platform Name Portable Computing Language Number of devices 1 Device Name AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor Device Vendor pocl Device Vendor ID 0x1002 Device Version OpenCL 2.0 pocl HSTR: pthread-x86_64-portbld-freebsd11.1-westmere Driver Version 0.14 Device OpenCL C Version OpenCL C 2.0 Device Type CPU, Default Device Profile FULL_PROFILE Max compute units 6 Max clock frequency 3200MHz Device Partition (core) Max number of sub-devices 6 Supported partition types equally, by counts Max work item dimensions 3 Max work item sizes 4096x4096x4096 Max work group size 4096 Preferred work group size multiple 8 Preferred / native vector sizes char 16 / 16 short 8 / 8 int 4 / 4 long 2 / 2 half 8 / 8 (n/a) float 4 / 4 double 2 / 2 (cl_khr_fp64) Half-precision Floating-point support (n/a) Single-precision Floating-point support (core) Denormals No Infinity and NANs Yes Round to nearest Yes Round to zero No Round to infinity No IEEE754-2008 fused multiply-add No Support is emulated in software No Correctly-rounded divide and sqrt operations No Double-precision Floating-point support (cl_khr_fp64) Denormals No Infinity and NANs Yes Round to nearest Yes Round to zero No Round to infinity No IEEE754-2008 fused multiply-add No Support is emulated in software No Correctly-rounded divide and sqrt operations No Address bits 64, Little-Endian Global memory size 19033886720 (17.73GiB) Error Correction support No Max memory allocation 19033886720 (17.73GiB) Unified memory for Host and Device Yes Shared Virtual Memory (SVM) capabilities (core) Coarse-grained buffer sharing Yes Fine-grained buffer sharing Yes Fine-grained system sharing No Atomics Yes Minimum alignment for any data type 128 bytes Alignment of base address 1024 bits (128 bytes) Preferred alignment for atomics SVM 0 bytes Global 0 bytes Local 0 bytes Max size for global variable 0 Preferred total size of global vars 0 Global Memory cache type Read/Write Global Memory cache size 65536 Global Memory cache line 64 bytes Image support Yes Max number of samplers per kernel 16 Max size for 1D images from buffer 1189617920 pixels Max 1D or 2D image array size 2048 images Max 2D image size 32768x32768 pixels Max 3D image size 2048x2048x2048 pixels Max number of read image args 128 Max number of write image args 128 Max number of read/write image args 128 Max number of pipe args 16 Max active pipe reservations 1 Max pipe packet size 1024 Local memory type Global Local memory size 19033886720 (17.73GiB) Max constant buffer size 19033886720 (17.73GiB) Max number of constant args 8 Max size of kernel argument 1024 Queue properties (on host) Out-of-order execution No Profiling Yes Queue properties (on device) Out-of-order execution Yes Profiling Yes Preferred size 16384 (16KiB) Max size 262144 (256KiB) Max queues on device 1 Max events on device 1024 Prefer user sync for interop Yes Profiling timer resolution 1ns Execution capabilities Run OpenCL kernels Yes Run native kernels Yes SPIR versions 1.2 printf() buffer size 1048576 (1024KiB) Built-in kernels Device Available Yes Compiler Available Yes Linker Available Yes Device Extensions cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_spir cl_khr_int64 cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_int64_base_atomics cl_khr_int64_extended_atomics NULL platform behavior clGetPlatformInfo(NULL, CL_PLATFORM_NAME, ...) Clover clGetDeviceIDs(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_ALL, ...) Success [MESA] clCreateContext(NULL, ...) [default] Success [MESA] clCreateContext(NULL, ...) [other] Success [POCL] clCreateContextFromType(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_CPU) No devices found in platform clCreateContextFromType(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_GPU) Success (1) Platform Name Clover Device Name Radeon RX 580 Series (POLARIS10, DRM 3.8.0, 11.2-RELEASE-p2, LLVM 6.0.1) clCreateContextFromType(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_ACCELERATOR) No devices found in platform clCreateContextFromType(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_CUSTOM) No devices found in platform clCreateContextFromType(NULL, CL_DEVICE_TYPE_ALL) Success (1) Platform Name Clover Device Name Radeon RX 580 Series (POLARIS10, DRM 3.8.0, 11.2-RELEASE-p2, LLVM 6.0.1) ICD loader properties ICD loader Name OpenCL ICD Loader ICD loader Vendor OCL Icd free software ICD loader Version 2.2.12 ICD loader Profile OpenCL 2.2 NOTE: your OpenCL library declares to support OpenCL 2.2, but it seems to support up to OpenCL 2.1 only. Segmentation fault (core dumped) <--- ;-) Except DRM and AMDGPU firmware it still needs some more tweaking, but this is clearly a proof of hardware vendor support for Open-Source Community :-) "It's not Open-Source if not runs on FreeBSD"^TM :-) Thank you folks! :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 9 12:00:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726651093160 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 12:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCF7B70CD8 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 12:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from chameleon.friedrich.org ([74.132.25.214]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id yyOSfBO1FizpFyyOUfugdi; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 12:00:47 +0000 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: swap config Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 08:00:44 -0400 Message-ID: <10538979.gLySxXtyIk@chameleon.friedrich.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfLqEu5DHNqyygj99+adr602EGTgazsDR3/EPl5V0YZQ09Ce6zMnfuntReHcY4TM+Robxif/DrL53JnYehX7AiKk5T+/Yovpv8u5HWc+F8Lb/q3JzPLnr uDhU0J6j7c3mRVKtjQVzJQK2yLcB4zQwt1g2cYGKsy7exmXHSiUrKzrZG8evJSqfWUCwCMPSNlKr/A== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 12:00:55 -0000 My system has 16GB of memory, so I multiplied that by 4 to get 64GB. I created a swap partition of 64GB. When I boot, I get: warning: total configured swap (16777216 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (986928 pages). warning: increase kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap. I tried adding kern.maxswzone to /boot/loader.conf but it complains no matter what value I set. What should I do? I'm not actually swapping, since I have so much memory, so I could turn swap off and re-create the swap partition. Correct? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 9 12:40:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1CAE10940D5 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 12:40:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail1.protonmail.ch (mail1.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C42171BE7 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 12:40:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 12:40:03 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: swap config Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <10538979.gLySxXtyIk@chameleon.friedrich.org> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.protonmail.ch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 12:40:13 -0000 > My system has 16GB of memory, so I multiplied that by 4 to get 64GB. > I created a swap partition of 64GB. > When I boot, I get: > warning: total configured swap (16777216 pages) exceeds maximum recommend= ed > amount (986928 pages). > warning: increase kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap. > I tried adding kern.maxswzone to /boot/loader.conf but it complains no ma= tter > what value I set. > What should I do? I'm not actually swapping, since I have so much memory,= so > I could turn swap off and re-create the swap partition. > Correct? The swap space you reserve depends of course on what you do with your compu= ter, however 64GB, whatever your use is and whatever the formula you used to determine this is, seems huge to me. Keep in mind that 1. as you say, you already have 16GB of RAM and you are not swapping, henc= e you are waisting 64GB of HD; 2. swap is slow: if you ever happen to need that much swap space, then you= would better have a very fast computer to still use it! I.e. a very fast disk= access (cpu speed is secondary), and I doubt normal computers are able to reach suc= h high speeds. I would suggest you turn off swap completely, without recreating any swap p= artition. In alternative, you could use a zfs filesystem, which would allow you to si= ze your swap space dynamically as you need it and you could still set maxium a= nd minimum swap space if you wanted. Lorenzo Salvadore. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 9 15:11:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70F41096B21 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plugmusc@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x935.google.com (mail-ua1-x935.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::935]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54B217556E for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plugmusc@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x935.google.com with SMTP id y10-v6so15418663uao.4 for ; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 08:11:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QmfDyK73B3n1f0X67vsbHFyxclgEl6mLJZWYLsBX+Vg=; b=E+Ak+wQlzkG+croB/TWA/uwAAg77HHBHZLweDMITcu5PFkOKyOB6/acRtZ2QitNHZ2 5N2+mnTtE5c+QQmDVtoQbs6/Ar1nv9pu+RkUTPdevSTAyhgB2QZ54uYucxjTNZSjwIOE /UXf7rL0y+fSBCKpoYdVFLNZTGMiQDT8p2Q4TLReyNzhobbS+SKy0dPXxVhfHJwQFMTu DZhIAvloZNYRaRNLSphHwiRYTx+Gpn/hvn/Zg80tVXp+pPnI1oqwlrY7413QTeYNLSLz HYhclGYquwplkEEeDBpE85wT9izrUp/ikhT8gT7cm62NcWShvV4MViI9ScUWzKtzn867 UQxQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QmfDyK73B3n1f0X67vsbHFyxclgEl6mLJZWYLsBX+Vg=; b=V9NQbL4E07yCjuUoXPuTVtAyxsQPcJ5Q+hp93tqGf+bOzKTjlxxFxgoscsKcGO+QjW uuvtbh3+Ve1OA7ss30jYQcYJUpRl2Eekkgq0xMcLH8SCJwY0V9ZwPMeFCt3NnVit/x7y jobvlTk+buyMrnEA5MPKfLamorkbxLcIgYbW4lQDPJJN/UnQ1AzU2uvGkKyac22QONbg dFPYX2hpX+9l4eNUm2QEBhILAebh9qzr3AK/F07qsA1OYqJYIsPGVFgCaSw7i/ObgtAH lS5NjJozvO2Q/TjPGSduZMwD2YeXb9iUh4TuIR9/dmuqfA0wk7438wgYqUseX9CYDaA9 x+Ew== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51D1JwehnQYiOwTrHFPuvz96i4ZplLfuARA6yg7rU+ELUIpbeAHF 4cw/L6Z9AZjB8ZN+90NawYX5CNBJyEOxzCwxgewQPm3Wq08= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdbNj7iHcICgs9CkrOEj4iAU63eKKehm2xTR86OudvKTfcNbILW2uOR46tVhoRgjxxP1uywDb2Mdg/EbCMggYeg= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:2b09:: with SMTP id p9-v6mr5693205uaj.177.1536505898599; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 08:11:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Plugmusc Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 23:11:27 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Amavisd-new has disappeared from PKG repository? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 15:11:40 -0000 FreeBSD team, Can anyone help? I upgraded Perl and urgently need to reinstall Amavisd-new except it seems to have disappeared from the PKG repository? Our mail server is currently therefore down. # pkg upgrade -f Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... Fetching meta.txz: 100% 944 B 0.9kB/s 00:01 Fetching packagesite.txz: 100% 6 MiB 1.3MB/s 00:05 Processing entries: 100% FreeBSD repository update completed. 32082 packages processed. All repositories are up to date. # pkg install amavisd-new Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... FreeBSD repository is up to date. All repositories are up to date. pkg: No packages available to install matching 'amavisd-new' have been found in the repositories # pkg search amav amavis-logwatch-1.51.03_1 Amavisd-new log parser amavis-stats-0.1.12_5 Simple AMaViS statistics generator based on rrdtool clamav-0.100.1 Command line virus scanner written entirely in C Where has amavisd-new gone?! Does anyone have any ideas? I don=E2=80=99t really want to install from por= ts unless absolutely necessary as I prefer keeping everything managed in PKG. Thanks, Dylan. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 9 15:34:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C1610970E0 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from outmx-028.london.gridhost.co.uk (outmx-028.london.gridhost.co.uk [95.142.156.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52F7A75D35 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:34:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk (unknown [82.71.56.121]) (Authenticated sender: mailpool@milibyte.co.uk) by outmx-028.london.gridhost.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2CE0022EA14D5 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:34:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (helo=milibyte.co.uk) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1fz1jE-0001Aj-6G; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:34:25 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: questions@curlew.lan, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:34:24 +0100 Message-ID: <6403875.K0ukUrIrJs@curlew> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.10 (FreeBSD/11.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.14.38; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, HTML_MESSAGE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Subject: Suddenly lost ability to print with CUPS X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 15:34:35 -0000 I'm no longer able to print from FreeBSD to my networked HP Officejet Pro 8100 printer. I'm running cups-2.2.8_1 and cups-filters-1.16.0_6 on 11.2-RELEASE-p2. The printer has been working fine for about 2 years and was last used 2 days ago without problem. This is the first time I've tried printing since upgrading to 11.2 yesterday though I don't think the upgrade is relevant because I still experience the problem after restoring the system to the previous 11.1 ZFS snapshot. There doesn't appear to be any problem with the printer hardware because I'm able to print to it from a Windows PC so I'm assuming it's a CUPS problem. I've uninstalled CUPS. deleted all CUPS config files, reinstalled CUPS and used hp-setup to re-create the printer configuration but still have the problem. When I submit a test page from the CUPS web interface the job status is shown as 'stopped /"Filter failed"'/ I've turned on log file debugging and the relevant section at the point of failure is as follows: D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] | ./base/gsicc_manage.c:1863: gsicc_verify_device_profiles(): Mismatch of ICC profiles and device color model D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] | ./base/gsicc_manage.c:1990: gsicc_set_device_profile(): Error in device profiles D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] Unrecoverable error: rangecheck in .putdeviceprops D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] Operand stack: D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] true D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] prnt/hpcups/HPCupsFilter.cpp 567: cupsRasterOpen failed, fd = 0 D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] prnt/backend/hp.c 919: ERROR: null print job total=0 D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] PID 3675 (/usr/local/libexec/cups/filter/gstoraster) stopped with status 1. D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] PID 3676 (/usr/local/libexec/cups/filter/hpcups) stopped with status 1. D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] PID 3677 (/usr/local/libexec/cups/backend/hp) exited with no errors. D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] Discarding unused job-state-changed event... E [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] Job stopped due to filter errors; please consult the error_log file for details. The lengthy section of the log file for the entire job is available at https://pastebin.com/EwrsvrqT -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 9 16:34:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C001098880 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:34:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) Received: from mailrelay101.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay101.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.20.128]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "relay.skynet.be", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FF7477D77 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:34:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes IronPort-PHdr: =?us-ascii?q?9a23=3AYPJvexV70FHp2SK6pDj4HecIv3DV8LGtZVwlr6?= =?us-ascii?q?E/grcLSJyIuqrYYxCPt8tkgFKBZ4jH8fUM07OQ7/i/HzRYqb+681k6OKRWUB?= =?us-ascii?q?EEjchE1ycBO+WiTXPBEfjxciYhF95DXlI2t1uyMExSBdqsLwaK+i764jEdAA?= =?us-ascii?q?jwOhRoLerpBIHSk9631+ev8JHPfglEnjWwba9wIRmssQndqtQdjJd/JKo21h?= =?us-ascii?q?bHuGZDdf5MxWNvK1KTnhL86dm18ZV+7SleuO8v+tBZX6nicKs2UbJXDDI9M2?= =?us-ascii?q?Ao/8LrrgXMTRGO5nQHTGoblAdDDhXf4xH7WpfxtTb6tvZ41SKHM8D6Uaw4VD?= =?us-ascii?q?K/5KptVRTmijoINyQh/W/ZisJ+kr9VrhGjqBxxzIHbfI6bOeFifq7fYd8WWX?= =?us-ascii?q?ZNUtpPWyFHH4iyb5EPD+0EPetAsYf/ol8OpgagCAmrA+Pv0SFHhnrs0q08yO?= =?us-ascii?q?QqDAbL3BAhH9IMtHTZt9X7NL0MXu+r0aTG0DvNY+lR2Tfn54jFaxYsquyPU7?= =?us-ascii?q?JoacfcyksiGxnEg1iRs4DpIjCY2vkXv2SG7udtVuSigHM9pQ5ruDig3MIsh5?= =?us-ascii?q?HMhoIS11/L6z10wJ0wJd2kUE57ZsOkEIdIuyGaKYR2RsQiTnlruCkgzr0GuJ?= =?us-ascii?q?u7czYQyJQg3RLfd/2Hc4qM4h75SOmRJjB4hGl7d7K6nRmy91Ogxvf7Vsmu31?= =?us-ascii?q?ZGtitFkt/SuXARzxHe6cqKRuF880qgwzqDygPe5vxeLUwplKfWKIYtwrsqmZ?= =?us-ascii?q?oStUTDEDX2mELzjKKOakUk++qo6+D8b7XovJ+TKZF7hRrlMqszgMC/Bv44Mg?= =?us-ascii?q?cWU2iB5eu8zKHj/VH+QLhSgP02iLfWv47BKsQAu6G1GhZV0ps95BakEzem0d?= =?us-ascii?q?MYnX8cLF9edhKHlZbmNE/VL/DjEPizmVOskC1kx6OOArq0J5TOIzDolL77fr?= =?us-ascii?q?s1v0xZw089191S7YlYUJkEIfbyUF7tuZrTCVkkMFrn7fzgDYBBMYdWcmWIGa?= =?us-ascii?q?KcOaXJ+QuU5+ArC8eWaYI/gxq7LOIqsa29xUQlkEMQKPH6laAcb2q1S6xr?= X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2BaAQA1SpVb/6i1QldbGwEBAQEDAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BCQEBAYNOgWQojAVfi0IBAYIMMwGJFoxqgXqEdwKDYSI0GAECAQECAQECAWw?= =?us-ascii?q?ogjUigmIBBTocIxALDgoJJQ8qEAENBhOFJ6YXiDOBRoV/gQyDcYIAgRKCZC6?= =?us-ascii?q?EcYVlAogeMoU0dI0QCY93Io5wlU84gVVNMAiDJ5BVPTCLboJJAQE?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2BaAQA1SpVb/6i1QldbGwEBAQEDAQEBCQEBAYNOgWQoj?= =?us-ascii?q?AVfi0IBAYIMMwGJFoxqgXqEdwKDYSI0GAECAQECAQECAWwogjUigmIBBTocI?= =?us-ascii?q?xALDgoJJQ8qEAENBhOFJ6YXiDOBRoV/gQyDcYIAgRKCZC6EcYVlAogeMoU0d?= =?us-ascii?q?I0QCY93Io5wlU84gVVNMAiDJ5BVPTCLboJJAQE?= Received: from 168.181-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([87.66.181.168]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 09 Sep 2018 18:33:05 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w89GX5b8003699; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 18:33:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 18:33:04 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?VMSzbA==?= Coosemans To: Mike Clarke Cc: questions@curlew.lan, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suddenly lost ability to print with CUPS Message-ID: <20180909183304.4cf2b113@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <6403875.K0ukUrIrJs@curlew> References: <6403875.K0ukUrIrJs@curlew> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:34:18 -0000 On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:34:24 +0100 Mike Clarke wrote: > I'm no longer able to print from FreeBSD to my networked HP Officejet > Pro 8100 printer. > > I'm running cups-2.2.8_1 and cups-filters-1.16.0_6 on 11.2-RELEASE-p2. > The printer has been working fine for about 2 years and was last used 2 > days ago without problem. This is the first time I've tried printing > since upgrading to 11.2 yesterday though I don't think the upgrade is > relevant because I still experience the problem after restoring the > system to the previous 11.1 ZFS snapshot. There doesn't appear to be > any problem with the printer hardware because I'm able to print to it > from a Windows PC so I'm assuming it's a CUPS problem. > > I've uninstalled CUPS. deleted all CUPS config files, reinstalled CUPS > and used hp-setup to re-create the printer configuration but still have > the problem. > > When I submit a test page from the CUPS web interface the job status is > shown as 'stopped /"Filter failed"'/ > > I've turned on log file debugging and the relevant section at the point > of failure is as follows: > > D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] | ./base/gsicc_manage.c:1863: > gsicc_verify_device_profiles(): Mismatch of ICC profiles and device > color model > D [09/Sep/2018:15:05:19 +0100] [Job 1411] | ./base/gsicc_manage.c:1990: > gsicc_set_device_profile(): Error in device profiles What version of ghostscript do you have? I believe this problem has been fixed in 9.24_2 (committed yesterday so binary packages may not be available yet). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 9 17:17:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F441099CCF for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:17:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from outmx-028.london.gridhost.co.uk (outmx-028.london.gridhost.co.uk [95.142.156.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED5157A9F8; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk (unknown [82.71.56.121]) (Authenticated sender: mailpool@milibyte.co.uk) by outmx-028.london.gridhost.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CA9BC233CEB65; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 18:17:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (helo=milibyte.co.uk) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1fz3L1-0006NS-38; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 18:17:31 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: =?utf-8?B?VMSzbA==?= Coosemans Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 18:17:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1692095.AkOmafn4S9@curlew> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.10 (FreeBSD/11.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.14.38; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20180909183304.4cf2b113@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> References: <6403875.K0ukUrIrJs@curlew> <20180909183304.4cf2b113@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Subject: Re: Suddenly lost ability to print with CUPS X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 17:17:33 -0000 On Sunday 09 September 2018 18:33:04 T=C3=84=C2=B3l Coosemans wrote: > What version of ghostscript do you have? I believe this problem has b= een > fixed in 9.24_2 (committed yesterday so binary packages may not be > available yet). Bingo! Upgraded ghostscript9-agpl-base to 9.24_2 from ports and the problem is= solved. Many thanks for your help. --=20 Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 9 17:26:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9D6109A075 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:26:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail8.networktest.com (mail8.networktest.com [IPv6:2607:f740:c::a13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FD387AF9E for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail8.networktest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail8.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355A7618001 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 10:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: mail8.networktest.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=networktest.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=networktest.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-language:content-type :content-type:in-reply-to:mime-version:user-agent:date:date :message-id:organization:from:from:references:to:subject :subject; s=dkim; t=1536514011; x=1537118812; bh=1H3iCq9HKMHFBVe zEhWbB78kCxYLM0nezYVp41sPHgc=; b=Xg14+dnuBcETHeVVODJxmJSzA+ImPgT wzgzGov/LnphKibzX0Lv7Qaw4pjDEiK4RQU+rJzQOrUNME8xDWLnD//JdNyQZoJ3 jCEV+VqqUu7sYKrVH9s8MzhqhLVM5uMz968WN/db30UpRyxxZIuuJnPc5i7iCgPS 3y3qttvLYPqU= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail8.networktest.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=x tagged_above=-100 required=1 WHITELISTED tests=[] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail8.networktest.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail8.networktest.com (mail8.networktest.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id jvSghIbqhKYw for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 10:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tejay.local (unknown [IPv6:2605:e000:141f:6d4:99ab:8755:dbe3:5180]) by mail8.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 63E27618000 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 10:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Amavisd-new has disappeared from PKG repository? 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Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 10:26:48 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 17:26:57 -0000 On 9/9/18 8:11 AM, Plugmusc wrote: > Where has amavisd-new gone?! I still see it: $ pkg search amavisd-new amavisd-new-2.11.0_3,1 Mail scanner interface between mailer and content checkers As it happens I was just checking for this package as well. I think there may be a data-typing bug in amavisd-new from p5-DBD-mysql. Yesterday I filed bug 231250 for this issue [1] but I had no trouble finding either the pkg or port. dn [1] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=231250 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 9 23:41:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1BD10A1FFC for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 23:41:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plugmusc@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-xa30.google.com (mail-vk1-xa30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65BD085F8C for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 23:41:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plugmusc@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk1-xa30.google.com with SMTP id m125-v6so2705766vka.0 for ; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:41:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=A8EJyy2/LOwSgilBbjGc68zPRAKSVkvQw3iP500KIXE=; b=FcSjFVnXcLgLkuz5YQ1GsoiiaSbloQCS14n0mfc1DwTmjUQQ2WnO2x2tV/v2xmv/qv +K+kcbzJUeP5n8aR14bkU0PIzqyylsv/Pnn3NdflZ3FuWSGi4y2bbOfY+wfYfw1AFMtP Mkb2uWWG6CYI+Xp4qsz5DZcNKWX9kk1e/tzQIPJadX+eGqG8K3kYMLLB3nYYYDf1erWX 9B0E/WAFujIvRHWylJqB1jFGO4NR7KKtwtq4IOuIIrpV3dFgoZT5qM7++rrk4t/F2/CK E/eBlgSNXi2FOAadpZ0ghF7OptG4jgZ2RuNmkh4zkI5AKqaYvasQdHlhny50I6vkCs3v CfVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=A8EJyy2/LOwSgilBbjGc68zPRAKSVkvQw3iP500KIXE=; b=Jo+0lRKiEOfL92YD+0GJtXvGAf1DuYHfT53deK9uNcMoz3ExrFnnaEquxxk6KPHtel EcYssl2BwW9UbevHfr7MjvXKBeadRUMfnqi8qjhIlAeIJRZMPShcNvJVO/IwcmJ2+Gns jURoI1Mh2HdaocwsKs3sZfcwd/ZoHb55SAKdrI2JVPcvlK2VLHYd+LTVbEuOqtdyg9gf OILdAbja938lrH/C+PZ2ld6oyyPNMPjz7s+q1nEkVIgZaIwBCKtKm4Tgu561Ra5eAUmK 4CMlbLEHz7p9PxUWDaVhDtY6LkYxI9wTIoSMDAxUbMSBFdmB3Jo72ye5mtNZQhzLB2Lt u+pw== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BQmdvn0Cra8+POz6ikcB5T2fE6DCXh3SPfF7oK1cwva1yeRWaz uh7Q6O45bvbCXsHZw1OohksXXsdaHoq4DY7H8pxsaMGFFUQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdaWYGMBxA/pqlMCkZkOJhXJZs7mw6gY8GAZ1ZMqet6NtN5ItoQifqgcNQ/Dpj0EvQXjLZj5YY4MyPXSu3jgfGw= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:5ed2:: with SMTP id s201-v6mr5720224vkb.109.1536536463597; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:41:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Plugmusc Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 07:40:53 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Amavisd-new has disappeared from PKG repository? To: dnewman@networktest.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 23:41:05 -0000 Thanks David. This is very strange. I have multiple servers and non are able to find the package: # pkg search amavis amavis-logwatch-1.51.03_1 Amavisd-new log parser amavis-stats-0.1.12_5 Simple AMaViS statistics generator based on rrdtool I've done pkg upgrade -f. The servers are all in Hong Kong. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Dylan. On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 1:28 AM David Newman wrote: > On 9/9/18 8:11 AM, Plugmusc wrote: > > > Where has amavisd-new gone?! > > I still see it: > > $ pkg search amavisd-new > amavisd-new-2.11.0_3,1 Mail scanner interface between mailer and > content checkers > > As it happens I was just checking for this package as well. > > I think there may be a data-typing bug in amavisd-new from p5-DBD-mysql. > Yesterday I filed bug 231250 for this issue [1] but I had no trouble > finding either the pkg or port. > > dn > > [1] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=231250 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 9 23:57:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B2310A279F for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 23:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42f.google.com (mail-wr1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1DEA86744 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 23:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id k5-v6so19984164wre.10 for ; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:57:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9fy00oKHmYOVW+syIvMyzUH9+5swNWfYITmTcsR3ivM=; b=YSih7ajNPeavXBhruhe1UgwaDBFj3aSo/sIkKOAxF4Z7pj/+2XJGLuejhgsCBeYuRo GqW6LE5aKNYpy0wrTJE1hao4RSo8RFwuEKrJ612vdIZml8PK+HJ9mB74CB6qEEsikWFp 702Jfhk+iD0TkR1kOVJO2AYEoESGUAFTzhE3RS+c3ZnBxNRMGGmYmjFIkDHjOEtJy8Zh FaBQBlaEAhJN1mnRlZbA+cpsvTr/C1QomDZ9mCX8b92YClK0cdG/pKfzHvDfd/VLmR6m AGby1K9c1iaRaFaHjbi3KHrBibreLbMNQFE+oJO2lTUogucI4x9CKgSD//KGmFe4efNN zolg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BAdYiFRXL5Rwwqh+cyhd7IjbZuUWnoXLpY6OohwRiD1C2a/0ka FnkU76/MUjaCR41HFGIYcAXqAtH0r/Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZcfgVg6/BfiV2AiPB8TE0bFXPg44KH0rv4nHCYkPDR5azpPeeHxqxEirNlmsLUtGD23i1/dA== X-Received: by 2002:adf:dfca:: with SMTP id q10-v6mr12181820wrn.113.1536537465364; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([90.195.165.238]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s24-v6sm9860561wmc.7.2018.09.09.16.57.44 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 00:57:43 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: swap config Message-ID: <20180910005743.3bf5df59@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <10538979.gLySxXtyIk@chameleon.friedrich.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 23:57:47 -0000 On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 12:40:03 +0000 Lorenzo Salvadore via freebsd-questions wrote: > > My system has 16GB of memory, so I multiplied that by 4 to get 64GB. > > I created a swap partition of 64GB. > > When I boot, I get: > > warning: total configured swap (16777216 pages) exceeds maximum > > recommended amount (986928 pages). > > warning: increase kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap. > > I tried adding kern.maxswzone to /boot/loader.conf but it complains > > no matter what value I set. > > What should I do? I'm not actually swapping, since I have so much > > memory, so I could turn swap off and re-create the swap partition. > > Correct? IIRC there is a hard limit of 4XRAM, and there is an area of the partition reserved for metadata. I don't recall how the arithmetic is done, but it may be necessary to make kern.maxswzone a bit smaller than the number of 4kB pages in 64GB , and/or make the actual partition a bit smaller than the size implied by kern.maxswzone. > The swap space you reserve depends of course on what you do with your > computer, however 64GB, whatever your use is and whatever the formula > you used to determine this is, seems huge to me. Keep in mind that > > 1. as you say, you already have 16GB of RAM and you are not > swapping, hence you are waisting 64GB of HD; Still a modest amount. > 2. swap is slow: if you ever happen to need that much swap space, > then you would better have a very fast computer to still use it! I.e. > a very fast disk access (cpu speed is secondary), and I doubt normal > computers are able to reach such high speeds. I have 16GB or ram and 24GB of swap. I used swap for two reason. The first is to mitigate any slow memory leaks, the second is to back tmpfs. Neither of these rely on anything being particularly fast. Whilst the point of tmpfs is to keep short-lived files in ram, I wouldn't want something to fail because I'd limited storage to less than ram size. I also wouldn't want to deny the kernel the option of pushing long-lived files out to swap if the memory is needed elsewhere. 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Subject: Re: Amavisd-new has disappeared from PKG repository? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:26:17 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 00:26:25 -0000 On 9/9/18 4:40 PM, Plugmusc wrote: > This is very strange. I have multiple servers and non are able to find = the > package: >=20 > # pkg search amavis >=20 > amavis-logwatch-1.51.03_1 Amavisd-new log parser >=20 > amavis-stats-0.1.12_5 Simple AMaViS statistics generator based= on > rrdtool >=20 >=20 > I've done pkg upgrade -f. The servers are all in Hong Kong. >=20 >=20 > Does anyone have any ideas? This is just conjecture, and possibly wrong, but it could be some issue with either DNS resolution and/or contents of the repository checked by 'pkg search '. To test this you could try pointing to a different repository. Example: My FreeBSD.conf file points to pkg.freebsd.org. From my location in California, pkg.freebsd.org resolves to pkg0.isc.freebsd.org, which has an IPv4 address of 149.20.1.201. Just for testing (this is a very bad idea in production), I hard-coded that IPv4 address in my FreeBSD.conf file: FreeBSD: { #url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest", url: "pkg+http://149.20.1.201/${ABI}/latest", mirror_type: "srv", signature_type: "fingerprints", fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", enabled: yes } Then re-ran 'pkg update' and ran 'pkg search -r FreeBSD amavis'. Note that the results include amavisd-new: amavis-logwatch-1.51.03_1 Amavisd-new log parser amavis-stats-0.1.12_5 Simple AMaViS statistics generator based on rrdtool amavisd-milter-1.6.0_5 Milter for amavisd-new amavisd-new-2.11.0_3,1 Mail scanner interface between mailer and content checkers dn From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 10 00:30:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A3C10A362D for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 00:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plugmusc@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-xa32.google.com (mail-vk1-xa32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 334578825A for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 00:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plugmusc@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk1-xa32.google.com with SMTP id e139-v6so2731868vkf.6 for ; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 17:30:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ncY3g1JNiEzSuP7I021ArI6Clw1v19BJRN8KXYFrNjU=; b=h9spkDUewnQN3EQZS4RPOPrSo6f8adGNGH63hY23Tj7ARJmTBMf3vwHMz7flZXNjXt FHVbXqyYhGnRYh88GYcRoYucTsBSwvab3155N3EeO+/LXkQ7fwYtzwIi98spEJwrfUfR KN+Ak8bi2I3gCR8ex4wdkc+8M22/sxWIIi/7pvqj7V5oa7tCcwIJkpHVn7uiyPP2pgHH ThYsbc9OzUSDtc2p02HMonD+0v9NSVUoFRfCLOvnRHcjQ72IXGLOru1KgEwi2Rc2z1tO jWhk9Sk4kef4ZZAUbY9GDNJhZBecjx/rYps8b+krvtIQ6qUK3xf+Pa7lPj5RkJvO/C93 j7Wg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ncY3g1JNiEzSuP7I021ArI6Clw1v19BJRN8KXYFrNjU=; b=DYab0nLwaGRj1tTubV2TYtdO955Sf4xAqr3/0DTS0nw/D1PKwXjsvQ9FBt2tpSmjjK heXkDFcFKWOox1Lx3B08mWWUBsL6svNOcuj52N8Jydl0760pXuNYlqsEd3Kpfl0WSAzj bIPbPeiqZp55tBGK1sukiWO/N8tKtn+D1KBwH8jccrXrm3+IYjs/VISgcpGuKZQj8jbE sSEJtqIPT8Nv3cnv6EFwi+neuOmSpyquc8GTePlrr+P2MFXp3X6ioGmUJbHNIa92/7wp mZePy4B4c+pnwOauPxLHWWDCLo5cBULfZnsMbEi6UUk255NhyaQzdR2k95C4EnwSENiA yB9A== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BS26leh1Qf4L74qfg/GoIQ7WKiSz0SabYb4oMvJPmWyKYsV5lg kQZdEiGzFs9bA7MOXE7gFT2D5SBJgUPgkfBqUP4JrrFn X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYnNsCqFr6WWhXsjglAXisInx2qsVxKkB9fcw4zCq+ft2468EdoYtXP7H+DzvB3+4a50iS1Ygo68Ye69KRCqlU= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:8b8b:: with SMTP id n133-v6mr5663050vkd.60.1536539434630; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 17:30:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Plugmusc Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:30:23 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Amavisd-new has disappeared from PKG repository? To: dnewman@networktest.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 00:30:35 -0000 I'll give that a go. Thank you for the suggestion, David. Best, Dylan. On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 8:28 AM David Newman wrote: > On 9/9/18 4:40 PM, Plugmusc wrote: > > > This is very strange. I have multiple servers and non are able to find > the > > package: > > > > # pkg search amavis > > > > amavis-logwatch-1.51.03_1 Amavisd-new log parser > > > > amavis-stats-0.1.12_5 Simple AMaViS statistics generator based > on > > rrdtool > > > > > > I've done pkg upgrade -f. The servers are all in Hong Kong. > > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > This is just conjecture, and possibly wrong, but it could be some issue > with either DNS resolution and/or contents of the repository checked by > 'pkg search '. > > To test this you could try pointing to a different repository. > > Example: My FreeBSD.conf file points to pkg.freebsd.org. From my > location in California, pkg.freebsd.org resolves to > pkg0.isc.freebsd.org, which has an IPv4 address of 149.20.1.201. > > Just for testing (this is a very bad idea in production), I hard-coded > that IPv4 address in my FreeBSD.conf file: > > FreeBSD: { > #url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest", > url: "pkg+http://149.20.1.201/${ABI}/latest", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", > enabled: yes > } > > Then re-ran 'pkg update' and ran 'pkg search -r FreeBSD amavis'. Note > that the results include amavisd-new: > > amavis-logwatch-1.51.03_1 Amavisd-new log parser > amavis-stats-0.1.12_5 Simple AMaViS statistics generator based > on rrdtool > amavisd-milter-1.6.0_5 Milter for amavisd-new > amavisd-new-2.11.0_3,1 Mail scanner interface between mailer and > content checkers > > dn > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 10 00:46:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4716810A3EC9 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 00:46:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plugmusc@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x936.google.com (mail-ua1-x936.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::936]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC56388D73 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 00:46:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plugmusc@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x936.google.com with SMTP id h1-v6so15996255uao.8 for ; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RKQdOPJK8Vxml82N+5+xAT9k/DeYCWq63YGjnR2fQiA=; b=rs6ffntpOBLqRBGp8Q+W0YOGkDxAWCZiPzJh3VqHTvCtg/L7nfe9ApLAqg6+me/r6n bHnJtm2YSvtyVqcNm4zWB1gqo1OgZYHNKQ8Id7iT9ssZUMPW3rEWx968am+GeW/yko6J 8GMEVs1yIotq5L+n3pPlilou1wto+ZgBVYiWtOB0bOKqnOvQZP+Is2eL29G1+hTmVZZo Rj0GGTPMhyxyXgGKpuyivWdxhczSb1J69pgMeX6smI+EFecHbRwq/kNWiJFUg46MRNL2 O+ufXyy3HBtoClQP01j3F3aiT0RiywylAX1DOBoMB9GYBsM/G1/hoZ7r70kCRXnHYjXs ucpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RKQdOPJK8Vxml82N+5+xAT9k/DeYCWq63YGjnR2fQiA=; b=ZuOfAxGiT25sppQdhlQG9zikcA2oHBypJAJD53eysmKN/ZsIIYVqp2PRtXKkpAS/QI ey7cjqb6Bc7/3qwx1tURd9Bw1yeLp9BqDy7Mt5I9n+Xpt/tK4Jh7MuHkSaIqwancZ8zd yGLPF5VvxcbSHnOaIBUH/meTJfLMFfKP+rhHlGaGLgRLczjI1b64MAptjd8BPySgJw2h 3XER4gPV28Hxmg4Pvnhb++4amLH3GBwOcgKvIUoA1uLUzJiMDNK8l881TMJ9XT5Ed7G1 /BO9eLj8Fv2txHjEY4FFOvwdLfLM/GCJIi33hjvkGhSwoJt8argkcPyXwP40JAaZfxhu SWOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DCk6gOSf2rXDrM/jfhbJdbmTKy+izhqlnwou9rV7Q6l/nMn0Ye IG5dQDfwS6cODkxl0gLjWBoUQpHdhdjK60LH57IHkP9S X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYsfysp6rLHtIpt3qeTYZZPL6HJfnD9fuxSkzlFD9QAjACGw5PUZvcsSEg7VYPqlH9NFKWd59jhc8yk5KINZi0= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:6499:: with SMTP id p25-v6mr5686167uam.106.1536540403042; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Plugmusc Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:46:32 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Amavisd-new has disappeared from PKG repository? To: dnewman@networktest.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 00:46:44 -0000 Hi David, I changed the config from quarterly to latest and that fixed it! Thanks for the suggestion. Am very grateful. Best wishes, Dylan. On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 8:30 AM Plugmusc wrote: > I'll give that a go. Thank you for the suggestion, David. > > Best, > Dylan. > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 8:28 AM David Newman > wrote: > >> On 9/9/18 4:40 PM, Plugmusc wrote: >> >> > This is very strange. I have multiple servers and non are able to find >> the >> > package: >> > >> > # pkg search amavis >> > >> > amavis-logwatch-1.51.03_1 Amavisd-new log parser >> > >> > amavis-stats-0.1.12_5 Simple AMaViS statistics generator based >> on >> > rrdtool >> > >> > >> > I've done pkg upgrade -f. The servers are all in Hong Kong. >> > >> > >> > Does anyone have any ideas? >> >> This is just conjecture, and possibly wrong, but it could be some issue >> with either DNS resolution and/or contents of the repository checked by >> 'pkg search '. >> >> To test this you could try pointing to a different repository. >> >> Example: My FreeBSD.conf file points to pkg.freebsd.org. From my >> location in California, pkg.freebsd.org resolves to >> pkg0.isc.freebsd.org, which has an IPv4 address of 149.20.1.201. >> >> Just for testing (this is a very bad idea in production), I hard-coded >> that IPv4 address in my FreeBSD.conf file: >> >> FreeBSD: { >> #url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest", >> url: "pkg+http://149.20.1.201/${ABI}/latest", >> mirror_type: "srv", >> signature_type: "fingerprints", >> fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", >> enabled: yes >> } >> >> Then re-ran 'pkg update' and ran 'pkg search -r FreeBSD amavis'. Note >> that the results include amavisd-new: >> >> amavis-logwatch-1.51.03_1 Amavisd-new log parser >> amavis-stats-0.1.12_5 Simple AMaViS statistics generator based >> on rrdtool >> amavisd-milter-1.6.0_5 Milter for amavisd-new >> amavisd-new-2.11.0_3,1 Mail scanner interface between mailer and >> content checkers >> >> dn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 10 01:08:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFB010A451D for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 01:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail8.networktest.com (mail8.networktest.com [IPv6:2607:f740:c::a13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62ED7895F0 for ; 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Subject: Re: Amavisd-new has disappeared from PKG repository? Message-ID: <8cd4fd1d-4c69-ca6e-2f23-36c88c93f439@networktest.com> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 18:08:25 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 01:08:31 -0000 On 9/9/18 5:46 PM, Plugmusc wrote: > I changed the config from quarterly to latest and that fixed it! >=20 > Thanks for the suggestion. Am very grateful. Glad to hear this worked for you. I was surprised to find amavisd-new is not included in the quarterly repositories, including the ISC mirror I referenced. It isn't a problem for me, since I've use latest on all my FreeBSD boxes. Perhaps it's always been this way. dn From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 10 06:09:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E2B1080424 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 06:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x232.google.com (mail-wm0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4BD7714D8 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 06:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x232.google.com with SMTP id q8-v6so20082141wmq.4 for ; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 23:09:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=CH4vFi2hWwtlejExFARbolM4LUPdZnr2cBV0setce3U=; b=CWe0Di90/M585PMd3PlN8LXIr2yUHLZLidzKC0TR8qkmDMbP+kbYS4bJG5NelSPvvm xCQND9Th5rqOsvtD31LcE1Aq1j3o4+n5McXpsYbuLKMnGq1eH9GbxKjh/cGn+e+yC1J7 1NZ7mCEyZXsnJdGTX4NqeRV/9Nt85xFPtXf070cHlqme3Ubkz33LFkch/GGH+iF1rhG5 ppc3DqAMEneopvTjZob1G7lB+8IH0DVYa1N9B8XF7BoOtTIDoSvLOTWpciDjmESr+fT9 KUUZYsao+ygWnqK0KNtlDC9u9KRj56RoQ9SH7I2mEFIDHm+z6OEBLk2W8Qkz3mRjKy/l Um9A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CH4vFi2hWwtlejExFARbolM4LUPdZnr2cBV0setce3U=; b=ukkjBGoxP9bwkBHzxZA4puAKoIAbq1EOn9GGAtQJesKPyNZUMpHYQxdK5c/4dXf2i/ cML3wtyLKz6iTgbAoRwZ4ijOIANctKuAERQykLIZMPRnilBF6LehX7ieMWn7IKp9ssyd OgV/hsOfL4LVkQEg3mZ8f61VwNQTHqcu6agOp/vygV0UP5tDY/ioKnyk1rsnHNoKGHH1 hnI+OpcmHPLB2s8JApjwq3DnxYVlgtc2/U5WxxcdI4A+zbamXebVoet8Jd38BXDL8My/ GSU8H2JfHsBJBmxHE3espV8ejie+eyOp5cYnMruvVFEJ6Ik3KgyHYZo0fj5e/jvCt6lB JD0g== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DOt9xnpwPxisiGAeAcLDJycxPOjwCyKUrTnd+QDus/yVzclOvK 5hm/Q8eq5sug3G5c/OmOgLBpb0Q0+XKqqaF5yoqe2w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdbqI9EU9/tuucF1JQkDTHqKignentGmmaG4S4SMUqJ77VjajlIFButu07DQCLs1h+BZohPcRCCXHbH+oK57nfE= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:e157:: with SMTP id y84-v6mr12556565wmg.8.1536559791606; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 23:09:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Outback Dingo Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:09:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Credentials/keychain/keystore for server applications on FreeBSD? To: aimass@yabarana.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 06:09:54 -0000 On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 4:55 AM Outback Dingo wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 4:47 AM Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:15 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:53 AM Alejandro Imass wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Are there any tools that can store application credentials in encrypted > > >> form and then provide them to applications in a secure manner at runtime ? > > >> > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > hashicorps vault is in ports > > > > > > https://www.vaultproject.io/ > > > > > > > Wow, nailed it !! > > > > Glad it could be of use ... > > > I was thinking along the lines of the JSK and Amazon's KMS but I knew > > there must be something better or at least better suited for this > > particular task. > > > > I found this very interesting: https://www.vaultproject.io/intro/vs/kms.html > > > > Vault seems almost exactly what I was looking for! > > > > Thank you very much !!! > > Your Welcome How are you making out with vault for the project you had in mind ? > > > > > Best, > > Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 10 09:02:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A031B108914C for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0EF2771A5 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:02:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([96.28.161.151]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id zI5UfXd47Ax0yzI5WfngmY; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:02:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:02:08 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: swap config References: <10538979.gLySxXtyIk@chameleon.friedrich.org> <20180910005743.3bf5df59@gumby.homeunix.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCB8xDtavZnUgodc594arz3jLtimE+lUgQtoNbf/fyeRCkYjuLBGiuFAayKBW311n6tBo0x9K8424hv2VxhhvX0/HTdQdy/MkKTpqZSttIy3ypvmj2za Pvnmwg9k6yNDU8wlH4LK4kx1HAz3n+S4hLjyfxB7ahvDIOzymagmcs4SZVKVO8z/a3bmoPHtIgtN3Q== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:02:38 -0000 On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 12:40:03 +0000 Lorenzo Salvadore via freebsd-questions wrote: > > My system has 16GB of memory, so I multiplied that by 4 to get 64GB. > > I created a swap partition of 64GB. > > When I boot, I get: > > warning: total configured swap (16777216 pages) exceeds maximum > > recommended amount (986928 pages). > > warning: increase kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap. > > I tried adding kern.maxswzone to /boot/loader.conf but it complains > > no matter what value I set. > > What should I do? I'm not actually swapping, since I have so much > > memory, so I could turn swap off and re-create the swap partition. > > Correct? RW via freebsd-questions responded: > IIRC there is a hard limit of 4XRAM, and there is an area of the > partition reserved for metadata. I don't recall how the arithmetic is > done, but it may be necessary to make kern.maxswzone a bit smaller than > the number of 4kB pages in 64GB , and/or make the actual partition a bit > smaller than the size implied by kern.maxswzone. Are you sure? What about an old system with 256 or 512 MB RAM that would need swap > 4 * RAM? 64 GB seems like overkill for 16 GB RAM. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 10 09:08:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701A51089358 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07AB877404 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:08:20 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: swap config Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20180910005743.3bf5df59@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <10538979.gLySxXtyIk@chameleon.friedrich.org> <20180910005743.3bf5df59@gumby.homeunix.com> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.protonmail.ch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:08:35 -0000 > I have 16GB or ram and 24GB of swap. I used swap for two reason. The > first is to mitigate any slow memory leaks, the second is to back tmpfs. > Neither of these rely on anything being particularly fast. Thanks for giving examples of why one might need such big swap space (well, big from my point of view). I will give an example why I use only ve= ry little swap to help OP decide which case is more similar to his situation. I deal with mathematical software which has to do very fast computations on huge amount of data. If this amount is less than the RAM available, then one of my computations can take 21 hours: this only depends on CPU speed and RAM access speed. If on the contrary the amount of data does not fit in RAM and swap is used, since those computations consist of loops involving all of the data for most of the time, the problem becomes impossibile do de= al with (I have not waited enough to know how much time would be needed, surely days, probably weeks and maybe even months). In such a situation, swap is definitely not an option: you must add RAM instead. And if you cannot add RAM, you must wait very long (and hope that you did not make any mistake in what you asked the computer to do!). I would be curious to know if you actually use the swap space you reserved: in particular, do you ever fill the whole 16 GB of RAM? Do you happen to us= e an application with slow memory leaks in it as far as you know? If yes, whi= ch one? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 10 10:03:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B85108A8EC for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x929.google.com (mail-ua1-x929.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::929]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9F52795C5 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:03:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x929.google.com with SMTP id i4-v6so16858661uak.0 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 03:03:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=R8FIKvjN2LHCAgg3Rx6/H3egunmsiJV/SRkdjxcbdWY=; b=n2FK5/OLSHzxObwx1Vz+hj66fHxbmC8gGqwnKzmovT2Dv+gGnhP4ZDUtmjKQ8bfia6 yNUXEPnFUYj5VO1UjRfvG4RhfZrzdb0Lpxo7/kvm887KRNdRcCLl3XXXBZ5bCJeGqXXm 2DRX/fWfbcgTl1WqBJ2bXqShFcWcEecIeBYrMc/67IGtXgz6o3FjrRqLLGXofk7ZxtEo xb76EoOJCZT4sVQnwC9qjubXrb2Yay3l0wRWiNpFYwOMpgorhYxX7Hkh8CspBRfOQguH NZUM06cfS0hCRsJ85oAyQlcPNscfqweneESTfwVPsKwR2lzvSpuDDzMTI2crMU3wKmxK M0aw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=R8FIKvjN2LHCAgg3Rx6/H3egunmsiJV/SRkdjxcbdWY=; b=HJfujEOI2t4KTw2Hati7xtXDSrjcae2CpsDcjrIMfg58pSg9LwY3D+Cp7hAl1bWKLs AUzeX2Iqvk03mJF6VdNY0krF6F1CcedhOVLuJX8IQhRJKnJVAuGKaK4sWngk/tnB65Y+ 90fGoI0AEfMnTvMPiU74pRMSx062fI2rUJzqTgg4MKJINPH1bEaeDwLtqgju2PDxFnOs fKrJBOk2NgWiE8KCITEKAeJ72AAioAEBpFTNOfLPrNCpyxSU0FyZeH3gDp+j2Mk3datw SNmOtcBE38cEzkUH48Pnu14LAYH+q97/ohvaCPOb3eh0gnBqK8zEstZ4nDizUEC6+x+i aoag== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51Bne579jgAkTbLpiA5WUqsqGjq4HHW+pHulHcloWCrGcUnzh/Al fVhVaGpWRdMhLahlGJszLGCGstkM/UlQ3y/RBMNU/g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZpN5BLkA52Ysz3ERAgtnx6KmOiIW/71JImsteJQDEnH5DLbWHs2A7dGRRiF66WvOHspXs4zFFUuTYdqFtd3Gw= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:2454:: with SMTP id g20-v6mr7069588uan.142.1536573824864; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 03:03:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a67:7b42:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 03:03:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Alejandro Imass Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 06:03:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Credentials/keychain/keystore for server applications on FreeBSD? To: Outback Dingo Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:03:46 -0000 On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 2:09 AM, Outback Dingo wrote: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 4:55 AM Outback Dingo > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 4:47 AM Alejandro Imass > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:15 PM, Outback Dingo > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:53 AM Alejandro Imass > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> Are there any tools that can store application credentials in > encrypted > > > >> form and then provide them to applications in a secure manner at > runtime ? > > > >> > > [...] > > > Vault seems almost exactly what I was looking for! > > > > > > Thank you very much !!! > > > > Your Welcome > > How are you making out with vault for the project you had in mind ? > > > Customer decided to store the clear text token in the PHP code because there is a third party involved and they would not offer support/warranty if we messed with their code etc. So we'll just have to rely on common Unix file protections for now. NVL we will eventually change it to Vault once the initial warranty period is over. BTW and FYR this whole issue arrises because of the careless OAuth 2 implementation of Constant Contact. These guys use Tibco Mashery to deploy their API, but instead of implementing a short lived Access Token with Renewal Token Logic, they issue a 10 YEAR Access Token (ATK) through their development portal and there is no electronic way of revoking it. AFAICT their API has no ACL for the API access itself so if the token is leaked, anyone with the app_key could do any operation on that account, this includes downloading the client lists, creating campaigns and sending mass emails through the hacked account: http://developer.constantcontact.com/docs/developer-guides/overview-of-api-endpoints.html The only way to revoke the ATK is by sending a request to Constant Contact support, and they've acknowledged this publicly since 2014: https://community.constantcontact.com/t5/Authentication-and-Access-ie-401/Regenerate-Access-Token/td-p/225628 Not to mention that Tibco Mashery DOES provide an API to revoking a token but Constant Contact decided not to implement it: https://support.mashery.com/docs/read/mashery_api/20/oauth_supporting_methods/methods/revokeAccessToken Bear in mind that projects involving constant contact are usually done by Web Designers (a.k.a. Web "Programmers") who in turn outsource the development in whole or in part to resources in India, China, Russia or wherever, so these tokens travel through unencrypted email and are also stored in file servers and code repositories. Anyway you get the picture... Our client is lucky we caught this oversight and revoked the development token and issued a new one that was installed on the server directly by us. But imagine how many of these tokens are out there in the wild since Constant Contact is one of the more popular options for spamming, sorry for" email campaigning". All this is shamefully public, and they just done't seem to care or maybe they don't even understand it! Somewhere in Constant Contact's documentation it says that they moved to OAuth 2 to replace the "old" HTTP Basic Authentication scheme for better security. The 1993 rfc2617 that uses MD5 is WAY more secure than most OAuth 2 implementations in the sense that ate least at some point, the clear text user/pass is sent over te wire. I mean, seriously?? How does api_key / ATK differ from user/password?? Also, why do people insist of using OAuth 2 for direct API access instead of using for example rfc7616 ? or hell, even the newer JOSE "standards". But that's not the worse part. PC Magazine recently evaluated Constant Contact and even THEY did not pick up on this horrible security flaw: https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2474133,00.asp Honestly man, we are evermore appalled at the stuff we are finding nowadays. People somehow think that "token" is somehow more secure that "password", and we are generally finding that companies are evermore completely ignorant on very obvious security flaws like these. 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What about an old system with 256 or 512 MB RAM that would > need swap > 4 * RAM? There's a 256MB Raspberry Pi running FreeBSD on my LAN - it has no swap enabled. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:39:27 -0000 The bug i noticed is reported by the FreeBSD's testing stuff in the wiki he= re for the O.S. version 10= .1. The anomalous / error message is very persistent in the 11.2 release, b= ut it doesn't appear/happen each time running the setup. (By the USB stick = image). That's strange. I have not the latest update of the BIOS (of 17 agoust 2018), but I have th= e "UEFI version". Simply turing off the Laptop and switching it on after about 12 hours, the = bug seems fixed. The sysinstall is totally clean and also the dmsg. I don't know what it depend on, probably is a good idea updating the BIOS e= ven if FreeBSD can be installed with the UEFI version. So thanks guys. Lorenzo. Nel portatile non so come usare diversi tty perch=E9 il tasto F* c= orrispondono a Delle funzioni (volume etc). Come hai notato il "bug" nel mio modello di Dell era gi=E0 stato rilevato d= agli sviluppatori, per=F2 con le ultime versioni del BIOS (rispetto a quand= o =E8 stato testato, io ho una versione del BIOS pi=F9 recente), scompare = totalmente, almeno se si usa la penna USB. Tuttavia nella mia configurazion= e con la penultima versione del BIOS, l'avviso =E8 altalenante. Cio=E8 se s= i reinstalla, pu=F2 ricomparire. Ottieni Outlook per Android ________________________________ From: Simone N Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 11:32:58 PM To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall on Laptop (Dell Inspiron 7537) Ciao a tutti, Thanks for the answers. Simply I didn't read there were also USB images. I = found them now and I'll try. Bye. Arrivederci Lorenzo. Ottieni Outlook per Android ________________________________ From: Polytropon Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 10:39:36 PM To: Simone N Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall on Laptop (Dell Inspiron 7537) On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 18:45:33 +0000, Simone N wrote: > i can't install FreeBSD on a Laptop without floppy and CD support. This seems to be pretty normal for today's laptops - floppy drives have gone decades ago, and optical media also isn't provided generally. :-) > If i make the boot with an external CD drive, after booting the kernel, > it semms some conflict with usb port > > It give me the messages: > > "uhub_reattach_port: giving up port reset:device vanished" > > uhub_reattach_port: giving up port reset:device vanished > > uhub_reattach_port: giving up port reset:device vanished > > continuosly [...] Yes, this indicates a problem with USB, but it can be from the laptop as well as from the optical drive. Can you try a different drive, as well as a different USB port? > [...] also after did the installation in the OS environment. This is the only piece of text I don't understand, sorry. :-) > Is > there a way to install the OS on my Laptop ? There are basically two ways: 1. Download the USB image and write it to a USB stick. Boot from that USB stick - the laptop will have a boot sequence configured in the CMOS setup, so check if it will try to boot from USB, or use the boot media menu (usually PF12) to select USB when the system starts. 2. Remove the hard disk from the system and use a USB<->disk adapter to install FreeBSD to the disk, then put it back into the laptop and have it boot. Perform all further configurations with that installed OS. I'd suggest you try the 1st way first - it's also a way to verify your USB connection on the laptop is working properly. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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I think it is an ordering bug and very old one: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=173471 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 11 14:56:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230E8109360A for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:56:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail4.protonmail.ch (mail4.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD7FD7A2D2 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:55:54 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: how to enforce one version of python Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.protonmail.ch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:56:10 -0000 > Hi, > There are a number of ports that seem to have their own preferential > flavour of python, and some for example want to install python27 and > python36 in the same place, and it's a pain when using portupgrade or > similar tools. > I have this in my /etc/make.conf: > DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=3D python=3D2.7 > Is this incorrect? I assume it must be, as for example devel/pylint > (pylint-py27-1.9.2) wants to upgrade to pylint-py36-2.1.1 > thanks, > > J. I think the correct line would be the following: FLAVOR?=3D py27 Lorenzo Salvadore. 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To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:10:19 -0000 Hi all, I guess it's time for another food for thought email of like-minded FreeBSDers, as I am coming to a new conclusion about this whole enterprise crap world of which I am so evermore fed up of... For me it all started with a comment about Theo de Raadt's visionary comment here, brought to light by Ian Smith in 2017: https://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=117621+0+archive/2017/freebsd-questions/20170820.freebsd-questions At the time I was going through Java / AWS hell so I posted this rant which was followed up by interesting and diverse commentary: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ml-freebsd-questions/bMlBTj4Xx_Q And now I have been recently exposed to the pinnacle of enterprise crap: microservices. Not saying that they are not a good idea, on the contrary, they are! But is this all really that new?? So modern-day microservices rely heavily on virtualization (Linux on AWS), pseudo-virtualization (Docker), and well, the microservices themselves. They bring on a whole new set of challenges such as log unification (usually through something like Elastic Search, Log Stash, Kibana, Beats, etc.), and IPC (through an MQ su as Apache Kafka). Plus a whole new pile of shit that they are throwing at this microservices "architectures" such as Hystrix and of course, everyone needs to be "streaming" so they throw in stuff like Spring Reactor or RxJava, "new" Actor design patterns like Akka (actually invented in 1973) and well, whatever other thing that Netflix or Amazon use, then everyone else has got to use them too. Read any book on the subject and well, cry. Talk about layers and layers, upon layers and layers of crap, basically to achieve something like, well: Unix, TCP/IP and HTTP. So let me breakdown a few of these things so you get what I'm saying: Reactive Streams: a new FAD designed to handle "back pressure" and vertical scaling by taking advantage of multi-core CPU's and low-level caching issues etc. Well, guess what, enterprise idiots: that's EXACTY why you want a solid Operating System that sits on, and it's fined tuned to that specific real hardware! and with regards to back-pressure, old school protocols such as HTTP have had things like 503 and RetryAfter header from their original design!! It's so funny that most of these things are for multi-core optimizations that are not even running on real hardware! Log Unification: well how about a little education on RFC 3164 and Log Analyzer? Virtualization: isn't this what Unix basically is? I mean the concept of processes that are running and sharing resources is that not virtualization by principle? Pseudo-Virtuzalization: Isn't this what chroot and BSD Jails do? Oh you want an easy interface like Docker, well how about EzJail? IPC: Isn't that what pipes and SYS 5 IPC provide: an MQ, Shared Mem and Semaphores? Oh too slow? (really? compared to what?). And finally the crown jewel: microservices. Well, isn't this one of the basic design principles of Unix? I mean tiny little things that talk well to each other to build big things with? Honestly I could go on but I thing you get the idea. It seems that this whole "enterprise" industry has been hell-bent on re-inventing a big, bad, ugly and expensive version of Unix, just because they don't want to tie their design to Unix? For portability? to what?, well to another flavour of Unix called Linux, running on Xen and well, Linux. Is there are real proof that all this microservices crap is really that much better than individual processes (e.g. built with sh, Perl and/or C) running on a fined-tuned Unix system on real hardware? Oh yeah, that's right, high-level guys are too expensive? really? compared to what? to the dozens and dozens of mediocre "coders", "devops", "techops"and whatever other "ops". Yeah, we are way more expensive but we are 50:1, maybe 100:1 compared the median in the "enterprise" side of things. Steve Jobs was so right about the "dynamic range"of A players: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yh7ikSQwKg Anyway, that's my rant of the year ;-) Thanks so much for FreeBSD!! -- Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 11 20:09:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AB3109C081 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic313-11.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic313-11.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.185.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8258887BC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: FCFkl6UVM1kf2IkNurJmJmV.RX3tZEe2zcbmgcv.sjAxWHtPHaVl0dX4bcf9xqU s6XNawtvWvgBTgb4OcwMCmn5UVVMa_8LDDuBnHeGcjKtM_nOrzE3UUXCyJp46hFqdlpwW3ccixky WVsUz4Dx5aSzX1tZWwS7H41394i3ZEvTp_J_kIz9sYSsPnIKN_GWnibtslZ6xgZ.iccSox4uplU. g4exrWT296z.xkGi5Lioz2v4gb0IDj7xnbiem5m0exaGc6JfuVRApThA7aCVqB7TTQaRpqZZ5UFm Y9OYccF_od91ZWGSzekoCgYOUkkfXWGA4FegDQPSWvfa7DU40fw6xsO2Ta2hIAZaos.tMbUGe8p0 VuFQ4_KoAUuR7VTajF6tblc2sdXl997sMa0X2vANumZQThDcdGbFjVPPT2EODEcOYqe0aD_Vq8NI pkxHFHGl0mRE39DzXS1DwPA6KKb2ZSRuXieDZgXgyQbwuAtwRyNhh0LQnE.1R1L4v.lLBLlZ5Pqj U1Ld9OFLkicmc8G.mrLbNeCGVr3LQYE8B5alRTR4JxEZys99SE.D87iVp5r3jIB1.EjVtDaKS8nc ZeN1AGZ4LTLKsYjgqr_RNoS_p6ts9hCokLC9kbDSrPqGa1X7pDzoc7l9pd1cmrWuADEanUsUAI8V 6jxHmkxrc_a1a7yI32B6Bwb73gBF7BAwCeU8dVQFNu9jqokQE1sAvINEs1y6RUtprQ2WADGNVIRA ZSeUn_mDiy78pE0QMjJ3f0TT.cZ.KKR.9RTCBE.nC4rzO7KPJKzEdOQdkyFdj_u.jTzvT.WS_fwk zRg.3Qne0dbyE3NvdpagK83wjPvwCOao9Y9yYsa9vWMel9I5nGbwUk9l_gMAQ_wRxNhJOxHIJEHC OX.94PmF67o6mp34s6BlLYxUUjpCLolwu4S55s3iTRmdD6zKYrSimjfWzsNd73F3069hnJ0kUSnl .2vEWkzlS7XpOkiVuVFEG0QfUaNikrSKL22p8ig-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:09:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:09:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: FreeBSD Questions , Alejandro Imass Message-ID: <1244580891.3760894.1536696544711@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [OT] Is the IT Crowd re-inventing Unix with Virtualization, Docker and Microservices? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.12406 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/62.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:09:13 -0000 *whispers soothing (ry)zen mantras to Alex and hands him a beer* OK.... it's not often, but I TOTALLY agree.=C2=A0=20 The very simple thing that needs to happen is education of the unwashed.=C2= =A0 They don't get it, they don't understand it, they never will so tech pe= ople give them 'buzzwords'.... What's worse?=C2=A0 There's an entire crowd = of 'wannabes' that think they can program and therefore understand Operatin= g Systems and how they work.=C2=A0 NO!=C2=A0 They don't and they need to fi= gure that out.=C2=A0 Will they?=C2=A0 Most will not.=C2=A0 They will nod an= d say they do, but they don't. Do you know how many times I've explained the simplicity of Solaris Zones a= nd FreeBSD jails to people and how this whole concept of virtualization is = crap?=C2=A0 Whatever happened to things like 'capacity planning'?=C2=A0 Log= aggregation?=C2=A0 Heck, syslog does it and you can parse it with any numb= er of tools. Look at DevOps... hysterical...=C2=A0 It's an attempt to merge development = and operations.... Why?=C2=A0 Because of a serious ego by a lot of develope= rs who seem to think that if they can program a piece of crap, it's the ope= rations people who 'can't make it work correctly'.=C2=A0 I have been in so = many DevOps groups and you ask for a show of hands as to who has worked at = least 5 years in operations.... usually none.=C2=A0=20 What's the issue?:=C2=A0 I was an operations systems engineer, I overheard = a conversation about 'why storage wasn't working correctly.=C2=A0 It's so s= low.=C2=A0 Operations must be dropping the ball.'=C2=A0 Being new, I walked= over and asked what the issue was....=C2=A0 According to their 'design'...= . RAID 6 on a heavy write I/O volume set.... using:=C2=A0 hardware RAID wit= h a 256MB cache... on Debian with XFS....=C2=A0 It was even SLOWER than wha= t you would imagine.... WHY?=C2=A0 They were doing asset tagging via direct= ory and file creation.....=C2=A0 How?=C2=A0 Well, 0-9, a-z and A-Z except t= he usual no 'o' 'i' etc....=C2=A0 So, this is what they were doing??=C2=A0 = Think of a file with data.=C2=A0 It is tagged as:=C2=A0 0a9b8c7d6e5f....z T= hey created a tree structure where each of the 34 or so characters would ea= ch have 34 subdirs.... recurse through this until you're at zzzzzzzzz...z.= =C2=A0 My mouth visibly dropped.=C2=A0 I asked if anyone understood what a = superblock and i-node were?=C2=A0 What the i-node cache was? etc.... Nothin= g.... they had no idea that each and every time they ingested a new randoml= y tagged asset with a ridiculously long path... no filesystem caching was b= eing done....=C2=A0 (There's a whole story behind this architecture selecti= on and the subsequent benchmarking I did that showed that ZFS rocks and how= BSD would solve their security issues along with other issues if I was all= owed to re-architect....) It's the matter of more and more layers to simplify the technical simplicit= y of UNIX so people don't feel inadequate.=C2=A0 Let's make more GUIs, more= tools, more stuff to suck up machine resources so that the hardware people= can sell it to the virtualization farms.=C2=A0 There is a level of virtual= ization that makes sense.... A DEVELOPMENT TOOL.... yes, it was a boon when= there used to be 10-20 different OSes out there that people were steadfast= ly on.=C2=A0 Spark up an HP-UX environment and verify your program worked o= n it... or Solaris... Of FreeBSD... Should we talk about AGILE?=C2=A0 There's another fun one....=C2=A0 Let's c= reate an entire mantra of how we should be able to do releases quickly with= out issue....=C2=A0 gouge the industry with training and buzzwords... (How = about 'disruptive technology' :) ) until the next way to spin 'proper devel= opment of the software life cycle' is done. It's all very, very disturbing.=C2=A0 I'm less than 15 years from retiremen= t.=C2=A0 I can't wait so I can address these issues... :) P. On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 3:11:17 PM EDT, Alejandro Imass wrote: =20 =20 Hi all, I guess it's time for another food for thought email of like-minded FreeBSDers, as I am coming to a new conclusion about this whole enterprise crap world of which I am so evermore fed up of... For me it all started with a comment about Theo de Raadt's visionary comment here, brought to light by Ian Smith in 2017: https://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D117621+0+archive/2017/freeb= sd-questions/20170820.freebsd-questions At the time I was going through Java / AWS hell so I posted this rant which was followed up by interesting and diverse commentary: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ml-freebsd-questions/bMlBTj4Xx_Q And now I have been recently exposed to the pinnacle of enterprise crap: microservices. Not saying that they are not a good idea, on the contrary, they are! But is this all really that new?? So modern-day microservices rely heavily on virtualization (Linux on AWS), pseudo-virtualization (Docker), and well, the microservices themselves. They bring on a whole new set of challenges such as log unification (usually through something like Elastic Search, Log Stash, Kibana, Beats, etc.), and IPC (through an MQ su as Apache Kafka). Plus a whole new pile of shit that they are throwing at this microservices "architectures" such as Hystrix and of course, everyone needs to be "streaming" so they throw in stuff like Spring Reactor or RxJava, "new" Actor design patterns like Akka (actually invented in 1973) and well, whatever other thing that Netflix or Amazon use, then everyone else has got to use them too. Read any book on the subject and well, cry. Talk about layers and layers, upon layers and layers of crap, basically to achieve something like, well: Unix, TCP/IP and HTTP. So let me breakdown a few of these things so you get what I'm saying: Reactive Streams: a new FAD designed to handle "back pressure" and vertical scaling by taking advantage of multi-core CPU's and low-level caching issues etc. Well, guess what, enterprise idiots: that's EXACTY why you want a solid Operating System that sits on, and it's fined tuned to that specific real hardware! and with regards to back-pressure, old school protocols such as HTTP have had things like 503 and RetryAfter header from their original design!! It's so funny that most of these things are for multi-core optimizations that are not even running on real hardware! Log Unification: well how about a little education on RFC 3164 and Log Analyzer? Virtualization: isn't this what Unix basically is? I mean the concept of processes that are running and sharing resources is that not virtualization by principle? Pseudo-Virtuzalization: Isn't this what chroot and BSD Jails do? Oh you want an easy interface like Docker, well how about EzJail? IPC: Isn't that what pipes and SYS 5 IPC provide: an MQ, Shared Mem and Semaphores? Oh too slow? (really? compared to what?). And finally the crown jewel: microservices. Well, isn't this one of the basic design principles of Unix? I mean tiny little things that talk well to each other to build big things with? Honestly I could go on but I thing you get the idea. It seems that this whole "enterprise" industry has been hell-bent on re-inventing a big, bad, ugly and expensive version of Unix, just because they don't want to tie their design to Unix? For portability? to what?, well to another flavour of Unix called Linux, running on Xen and well, Linux. Is there are real proof that all this microservices crap is really that much better than individual processes (e.g. built with sh, Perl and/or C) running on a fined-tuned Unix system on real hardware? Oh yeah, that's right, high-level guys are too expensive? really? compared to what? to the dozens and dozens of mediocre "coders", "devops", "techops"and whatever other "ops". Yeah, we are way more expensive but we are 50:1, maybe 100:1 compared the median in the "enterprise" side of things. Steve Jobs was so right about the "dynamic range"of A players: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7yh7ikSQwKg Anyway, that's my rant of the year ;-) Thanks so much for FreeBSD!! --=20 Alex _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 11 20:41:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFD5109D2D7 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:41:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D0B589D60 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:41:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([74.132.25.214]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id zpTcfzMToAx0yzpTff1WkB; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:41:39 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: FreeBSD TWC Subject: Booting multiple EFI partitions Message-ID: <4975d569-209c-2d66-2664-678984186908@twc.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 16:41:35 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJjCd5BePBvnuetixSZcwUUlf5xsII+mLJCLkobdYqzhFmw4H5ZgdfSWg37FHFE42A9FRaWHwwwPRtEnKnV8GEUFAkbVnr/eiEL/xdO68ZnV0PWhS7bp aVNrJZDasDZh+dLpoK0HyT+A+l2uF6L2fagCM8iC3yjNXKco3quCv/+yhS4aeOkdqE6eEbVMTMxbvw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:41:47 -0000 I have a new HP Slimline Desktop 290-p0014 which features an Intel i7-8700. I can install two instances of FreeBSD 11.2 Release, here's the boot process documented in eufi man page: 3. /boot1.efi/ searches partitions of type freebsd-ufs and freebsd-zfs for /loader.efi/. The search begins with partitions on the device from which/boot1.efi/ was loaded, and continues with other available partitions. If both freebsd-ufs and freebsd-zfs partitions exist on the same device the freebsd-zfs partition is preferred./boot1.efi/ then loads and executes/loader.efi/. 4. /loader.efi/ loads and boots the kernel, as described in loader(8) . The result is that a second freebsd partition can never be booted. I have always liked to install a second instance of freebsd to use as a recovery drive, rather than waiting for a slow CD-ROM boot. When I installed two instances of FreeBSD, bsdinstall added two lines in the BIOS boot menu (I pressed F9). But both lines are identical: UEFI OS (TOSHIBA HDWE160) One I gave the hostname Chameleon and the other was Recovery. I also labeled each partition that way. Is anyone working on enhancing boot1.efi to support booting from other partitions? I want the functionality of boot0 where FreeBSD displayed all the available partitions and allowed me to select any one. I can do that now on my machine, but I have to use legacy BIOS boot to an MBR, rather than UEFI boot to a GPT partition. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 11 20:43:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EE7109D34C for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:43:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clmoonriver@equinefiction.com) Received: from MTA-09-3.privateemail.com (mta-09-3.privateemail.com [68.65.122.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "privateemail.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E812F89F89 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:43:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clmoonriver@equinefiction.com) Received: from MTA-09.privateemail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by MTA-09.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7EE6005D; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 16:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wildfire.equinefiction.com (unknown [10.20.151.244]) by MTA-09.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E98EB60055; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 15:43:06 -0500 From: CL Moonriver To: Alejandro Imass Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: [OT] Is the IT Crowd re-inventing Unix with Virtualization, Docker and Microservices? Message-ID: <20180911154306.2e8e5c33@wildfire.equinefiction.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:43:13 -0000 I'm not sure my comments are useful here. But if nothing else, I think they will give a unique perspective on the whole issue. I am not an IT professional. I used to be. But I am not anymore. I'm a fiction writer. I run FreeBSD on my desktop and the only thing I really do with it is write fiction in Emacs. Why FreeBSD? Well, there are several reasons: 1: UNIX was originally designed for text processing. This makes it great for any writer. You can do things from the command line on text files that Microsoft Word can't even dream of doing. 2: Excellent documentation. If I don't know how to do something, the answer almost always exists right in the FreeBSD handbook. 3: Great community support: If I can't find the answer in the FreeBSD handbook, I can ask a question on the mailings list and usually get an answer in less time then I'd spend on hold trying to get an answer from Microsoft. 4: Consistency. FreeBSD continues to follow the original UNIX philosophy of simple things should be simple, simple tools should be able to be used as building blocks for more complex tools, etc. There is no systemd crap that has so much hidden magic I can't possibly hope to understand what is going wrong if something isn't working. With BSD init, I can easily trace the problem back to the source. So I agree, thanks so for much for FreeBSD! Even as a non-technical user, it provides exactly what I need. An OS that I can customize to work the way I want it to, an OS that is stable and reliable, and an OS that I know isn't going to change so much every year or so that I am forced to learn entirely new ways of doing things because someone decided "This init system is better than that one because it will shave one or two seconds off the boot time," or whatever the latest fad is. On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 15:10:16 -0400 Alejandro Imass wrote: > Hi all, > > I guess it's time for another food for thought email of like-minded > FreeBSDers, as I am coming to a new conclusion about this whole > enterprise crap world of which I am so evermore fed up of... > > For me it all started with a comment about Theo de Raadt's visionary > comment here, brought to light by Ian Smith in 2017: > > https://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=117621+0+archive/2017/freebsd-questions/20170820.freebsd-questions > > At the time I was going through Java / AWS hell so I posted this rant > which was followed up by interesting and diverse commentary: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ml-freebsd-questions/bMlBTj4Xx_Q > > And now I have been recently exposed to the pinnacle of enterprise > crap: microservices. > > Not saying that they are not a good idea, on the contrary, they are! > But is this all really that new?? > > So modern-day microservices rely heavily on virtualization (Linux on > AWS), pseudo-virtualization (Docker), and well, the microservices > themselves. > > They bring on a whole new set of challenges such as log unification > (usually through something like Elastic Search, Log Stash, Kibana, > Beats, etc.), and IPC (through an MQ su as Apache Kafka). Plus a > whole new pile of shit that they are throwing at this microservices > "architectures" such as Hystrix and of course, everyone needs to be > "streaming" so they throw in stuff like Spring Reactor or RxJava, > "new" Actor design patterns like Akka (actually invented in 1973) and > well, whatever other thing that Netflix or Amazon use, then everyone > else has got to use them too. > > Read any book on the subject and well, cry. Talk about layers and > layers, upon layers and layers of crap, basically to achieve > something like, well: Unix, TCP/IP and HTTP. > > So let me breakdown a few of these things so you get what I'm saying: > > Reactive Streams: a new FAD designed to handle "back pressure" and > vertical scaling by taking advantage of multi-core CPU's and > low-level caching issues etc. Well, guess what, enterprise idiots: > that's EXACTY why you want a solid Operating System that sits on, and > it's fined tuned to that specific real hardware! and with regards to > back-pressure, old school protocols such as HTTP have had things like > 503 and RetryAfter header from their original design!! > > It's so funny that most of these things are for multi-core > optimizations that are not even running on real hardware! > > Log Unification: well how about a little education on RFC 3164 and Log > Analyzer? > > Virtualization: isn't this what Unix basically is? I mean the concept > of processes that are running and sharing resources is that not > virtualization by principle? > > Pseudo-Virtuzalization: Isn't this what chroot and BSD Jails do? Oh > you want an easy interface like Docker, well how about EzJail? > > IPC: Isn't that what pipes and SYS 5 IPC provide: an MQ, Shared Mem > and Semaphores? Oh too slow? (really? compared to what?). > > And finally the crown jewel: microservices. Well, isn't this one of > the basic design principles of Unix? I mean tiny little things that > talk well to each other to build big things with? > > Honestly I could go on but I thing you get the idea. It seems that > this whole "enterprise" industry has been hell-bent on re-inventing a > big, bad, ugly and expensive version of Unix, just because they don't > want to tie their design to Unix? For portability? to what?, well to > another flavour of Unix called Linux, running on Xen and well, Linux. > > Is there are real proof that all this microservices crap is really > that much better than individual processes (e.g. built with sh, Perl > and/or C) running on a fined-tuned Unix system on real hardware? > > Oh yeah, that's right, high-level guys are too expensive? really? > compared to what? to the dozens and dozens of mediocre "coders", > "devops", "techops"and whatever other "ops". Yeah, we are way more > expensive but we are 50:1, maybe 100:1 compared the median in the > "enterprise" side of things. > > Steve Jobs was so right about the "dynamic range"of A players: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yh7ikSQwKg > > Anyway, that's my rant of the year ;-) > > Thanks so much for FreeBSD!! > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 11 20:54:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA65109D94A for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x230.google.com (mail-it0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42F888A75E for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x230.google.com with SMTP id 139-v6so165902itf.0 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:54:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=yOLkHT6QFzhuotfCzgyVoXOUK+crOUrufyIqZinVcD8=; b=I84uYHEEybWAziTEc//osSGOls3wdwkVInjBYkrUb9BmHoob6zpxtXFmJ5cx5LFprl wXUGZFB1Q++xK7aFUn6pp2CXlrMmNPixMeoUYu5Mny6QGZPMCsF1kexe+UGk3dUO2RTr EgW/3LEAOVa6nc6T5q5NQ+J912lvEZeokNpFnD+b+IXpY53S/RnH8lIVxmLoWYkSOJXf zPIH2aH/ew0r8dir0FVdz8l4xCpABPrqZo+1PalyYT2shrOYJBefXkyGWF9PpaKzzvZy 6rLbinzgPgrfxBwRH6pDacoYO6KwQYaJwZkmjj5sRztpT3g9CHMhX65mwyxAdR5CA2Vx R1aQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yOLkHT6QFzhuotfCzgyVoXOUK+crOUrufyIqZinVcD8=; b=EGp6FOEfjRyr9bFW0YWprw3QrfUwbaWYHA9R/MJSfhAjI/Fer5jjBWopyEDv7mjf+L S1OsVvpq3tpqcDIubUGVzGiZ00Z4n3PVM7SHFqsBH2VcRT86IYB/3pNkVjcpWeW/hhgM klcpKeK3R1WvoNoXaJU8swRUypISx3UIIOmYKmABM9n/YToIpRNi1RjSovDtuAWZz5Ee zng0fVISlGToRO2EOkQV/wkWxPhA8aSzE+3v4KDag16yFBYjgMnOtFFOekfGQ/zocRSP BV5GlFNipWrFCUXvPbFT+Y+lK1OGkblhJ+BdcMqYLzpNrp9CWDOKN6MFBsrJsf4qCPQp iTHA== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BJ24JqCRqerIpgp+I0xB61ddCFtRF9mkhTSHvciVRT6F7+SBoz yKoMEMb8UUtFvLjpw+nP9PUlzFQnkndYICYr7lBUmg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0Vda7BXChOjrg/rexPCKA88YWTiME1EzVBLKdEkrHkV9pA8xOuwyc8urbV8+ImXM2VoGyS8YmwyaaEVCviI1LW40= X-Received: by 2002:a02:1643:: with SMTP id a64-v6mr24524496jaa.133.1536699266320; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:54:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: blubee blubeeme Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 04:54:24 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [OT] Is the IT Crowd re-inventing Unix with Virtualization, Docker and Microservices? To: Alejandro Imass Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:54:28 -0000 On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 03:13 Alejandro Imass wrote: > Hi all, > > I guess it's time for another food for thought email of like-minded > FreeBSDers, as I am coming to a new conclusion about this whole enterprise > crap world of which I am so evermore fed up of... > > For me it all started with a comment about Theo de Raadt's visionary > comment here, brought to light by Ian Smith in 2017: > > > https://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=117621+0+archive/2017/freebsd-questions/20170820.freebsd-questions > > At the time I was going through Java / AWS hell so I posted this rant which > was followed up by interesting and diverse commentary: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ml-freebsd-questions/bMlBTj4Xx_Q > > And now I have been recently exposed to the pinnacle of enterprise crap: > microservices. > > Not saying that they are not a good idea, on the contrary, they are! But is > this all really that new?? > > So modern-day microservices rely heavily on virtualization (Linux on AWS), > pseudo-virtualization (Docker), and well, the microservices themselves. > > They bring on a whole new set of challenges such as log unification > (usually through something like Elastic Search, Log Stash, Kibana, Beats, > etc.), and IPC (through an MQ su as Apache Kafka). Plus a whole new pile of > shit that they are throwing at this microservices "architectures" such as > Hystrix and of course, everyone needs to be "streaming" so they throw in > stuff like Spring Reactor or RxJava, "new" Actor design patterns like Akka > (actually invented in 1973) and well, whatever other thing that Netflix or > Amazon use, then everyone else has got to use them too. > > Read any book on the subject and well, cry. Talk about layers and layers, > upon layers and layers of crap, basically to achieve something like, well: > Unix, TCP/IP and HTTP. > > So let me breakdown a few of these things so you get what I'm saying: > > Reactive Streams: a new FAD designed to handle "back pressure" and vertical > scaling by taking advantage of multi-core CPU's and low-level caching > issues etc. Well, guess what, enterprise idiots: that's EXACTY why you want > a solid Operating System that sits on, and it's fined tuned to that > specific real hardware! and with regards to back-pressure, old school > protocols such as HTTP have had things like 503 and RetryAfter header from > their original design!! > > It's so funny that most of these things are for multi-core optimizations > that are not even running on real hardware! > > Log Unification: well how about a little education on RFC 3164 and Log > Analyzer? > > Virtualization: isn't this what Unix basically is? I mean the concept of > processes that are running and sharing resources is that not virtualization > by principle? > > Pseudo-Virtuzalization: Isn't this what chroot and BSD Jails do? Oh you > want an easy interface like Docker, well how about EzJail? > > IPC: Isn't that what pipes and SYS 5 IPC provide: an MQ, Shared Mem and > Semaphores? Oh too slow? (really? compared to what?). > > And finally the crown jewel: microservices. Well, isn't this one of the > basic design principles of Unix? I mean tiny little things that talk well > to each other to build big things with? > > Honestly I could go on but I thing you get the idea. It seems that this > whole "enterprise" industry has been hell-bent on re-inventing a big, bad, > ugly and expensive version of Unix, just because they don't want to tie > their design to Unix? For portability? to what?, well to another flavour of > Unix called Linux, running on Xen and well, Linux. > > Is there are real proof that all this microservices crap is really that > much better than individual processes (e.g. built with sh, Perl and/or C) > running on a fined-tuned Unix system on real hardware? > > Oh yeah, that's right, high-level guys are too expensive? really? compared > to what? to the dozens and dozens of mediocre "coders", "devops", > "techops"and whatever other "ops". Yeah, we are way more expensive but we > are 50:1, maybe 100:1 compared the median in the "enterprise" side of > things. > > Steve Jobs was so right about the "dynamic range"of A players: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yh7ikSQwKg > > Anyway, that's my rant of the year ;-) > > Thanks so much for FreeBSD!! > > > -- > > Alex > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > It's not just micro services, look at Wayland. By the time they're finished it'll be X10.5 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 11 21:00:15 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC9C109DB3B for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from vie01a-dmta-at51-3.mx.upcmail.net (vie01a-dmta-at51-3.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.141]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A73EA8A9D0 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from [172.31.216.41] (helo=vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50) by vie01a-dmta-at51.mx.upcmail.net with esmtp (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1fzplU-00085G-Ud for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:00:04 +0200 Received: from t61.lan ([85.126.97.210]) by vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50 with SMTP @ mailcloud.upcmail.net id aM021y00d4YLlkt0BM02M2; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:00:02 +0200 X-SourceIP: 85.126.97.210 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=O6RJhF1W c=1 sm=2 tr=0 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:117 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=v2ztYnMHAAAA:8 a=Kmme8x1LQeZel5WKpSEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=UlBjsC_V3DA_X-k2u0I0:22 From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Is the IT Crowd re-inventing Unix with Virtualization, Docker and Microservices? Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:00:01 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 0.20100827.1168748) References: In-Reply-To: X-KMail-QuotePrefix: > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201809112300.02025.dr.klepp@gmx.at> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:00:15 -0000 Am Dienstag, 11. September 2018 schrieb blubee blubeeme: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 03:13 Alejandro Imass wrote: > [...] > > > It's not just micro services, look at Wayland. By the time they're finished > it'll be X10.5 systemd, anybody? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 11 21:18:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E1A109E1C0 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF9A68B5E1 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:18:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from chameleon.friedrich.org ([74.132.25.214]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id zpvHfr5F6ceP9zpvKf8gFO; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:10:14 +0000 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: kde5 documentation Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:10:11 -0400 Message-ID: <8676546.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfAMpqabL/pYJU1cikjSML5ztNc9oPA9eb3j+PKMZJiGdrRmuAC2cKVNSN3buT2ByhCzybAFLy5gyeqkLS9jw7fvcVhautFEOy9haYcUGQH8OMoQbolpo /ssIBcDCH0B5RJgr5z9W3l6fQ/N54H0zWHZ0jPv7fwR4AHcuLMGCPMJckTmacwry/jrAOctEqC+QPw== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:18:43 -0000 When I open KDE Wallet, I selected Wallet Manager Handbook from the help menu. I got: Documentation not Found Jack Ostroff Revision Frameworks 5.0 (2014-04-02) The requested documentation was not found on your computer. The documentation may not exist, or it may not have been installed with the application. How can I install this documentation? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 11 23:07:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C18A109FE87 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward100j.mail.yandex.net (forward100j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:801:2::100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E244D8E3BD for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from mxback5g.mail.yandex.net (mxback5g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:166]) by forward100j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 62BE15D88510 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 02:07:40 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (smtp3o.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::27]) by mxback5g.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id f5bj4tRWpx-7e7qUPvQ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 02:07:40 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1536707260; bh=S/dXHyEUwP7LTbGuRohX22ozgfIvJ7xyecgr4sCRu9c=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID; b=pRVUCp477gQ6iG8gmkWYw7eqkFXZbUq4464pTny3Y76dugUF5PQu4LW6w8fqvHULL 2GhXpp4nWVcuxX7rC/tSgzdEoZ1D3U4gIZXIFDn8iLt0LKAdlAHuQaFupiCqkgeQ0g 5+NpqKJxrOMPdjlzsDkEKT3UqvB/fl7bR7BD8lgY= Received: by smtp3o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id W84CEKZ2OI-7cSaxEux; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 02:07:39 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1536707259; bh=S/dXHyEUwP7LTbGuRohX22ozgfIvJ7xyecgr4sCRu9c=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID; b=uTgjvg/QbQRBKNP7lg1/FbJPwtmC33lwck7eh0TKvagRV9td3Uq98XE/Zx90bDZjW BwfSXbC+0Y4Z97mXPjZ09fMQQ/tGLhFDbK0KMqKOorZOh9FzatUV8ZumtOXxFOK4wc M2TbpKWtY7G32/GYpVuR0cZrfbMFhrtQGwRw3Vt8= Authentication-Results: smtp3o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:07:36 -0400 From: To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: portmaster Message-ID: <20180911190736.2db8e3da@yandex.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:07:43 -0000 Hi! I try to use portmaster for update ports but I had poblems with python updates: ===>>> Launching child to install devel/py-astroid@py27 ===>>> All >> devel/py-astroid@py27 (61/94) ===>>> Currently installed version: py27-astroid-1.6.5 ===>>> Port directory: /usr/ports/devel/py-astroid@py27 ===>>> Starting check for build dependencies ===>>> Gathering dependency list for devel/py-astroid@py27 from ports ===>>> Dependency check complete for devel/py-astroid@py27 ===>>> All >> py27-astroid-1.6.5 (61/94) ===> Cleaning for py27-astroid-2.0.4 ===> py27-astroid-2.0.4 Unknown flavor 'py27', possible flavors: py36.. *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-astroid ===>>> make build failed for devel/py-astroid@py27 ===>>> Aborting update ===>>> Update for devel/py-astroid@py27 failed ===>>> Aborting update ===>>> There are messages from installed ports to display, but first take a moment to review the error messages above. Then press Enter when ready to proceed. Is portmaster still useful, please? Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 11 23:23:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6867010A07A5 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic302-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic302-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.186.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E44668EE35 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: qje3Ee8VM1lLZlDhE4LwmPaCA90q11zHEtbXyJLJcxZmA.mmydZdyBVrU3cGxl1 FQ1Eq2tUOwiLSYU8JTlbsSWbOVsQIx7rrm8wf2LTk1Z8WvFILS0qb1yLhLR.0TvpnFtRqf1DvG0Z 9b3PxIRcvGD0i.vD6L1DifMpmxsOUJVbibcB462aqpXPyFYmZGUcaRBV8gFDBBT766.TBHJdfl1s Ljiw0AzNZQOa8fNlAHQ7QzkgfZyTkqgNxlgRBiaXBKfRIcv0Z9atjPGM8Zmc.OoXzHJT15HKqnaf aMYm_9C.28i5rjAvJjtHocSNvE990XtbPzEuc_5INHlT48YROs3C92zb5U3eDWRsGqJr673XvTFZ 7Uth2zOygCDTkKCy8pEQilspGzW9gd7a4fMwSLm8sRsqKZZT.QQQLMnnbsJvSXALQyXcSNXl3zZI cPJtv9xrtb4Ep30LG6Ehf5o7rcFJjyfTj5dTD8kKSMQEMjzAKO9bZhbPT32wSlL9.5SSjP2vJWbW eTd0ultTmuKeNiWPHULKbwXKH3DxcJnzYQ1JvOvZjfu3KYWRtdlNxmWNNxjcAVaU5VF.fQAdhV4. R0H6fcpn8Wd77amWx3N8la.8ZVAAY9fpQDOaHLgimIs7MhNAZSYhL6u_dF9wrwMS.k55j1pOcuae riq9aXq9hr3FASW1H8ASL7zcrW.Sz9D0T2PKMZH11RE6f1NHDzB7H0jdV1AfVOpU9UAA.4NBMJnm rLgYRqjskScnmN6jEeenrBzBTy5zYLHbnIew.4ApMaJI62u.c4nua09shPSW9B4QBEJPMmAQZb3q CM5RytAlm5iuX_rGCiDaqXX6_Xs62.g3vsHivGq7B7I2d9WSTsler_nfmv5UK._jXHzE4l707O__ U9F4T7tYVCpkE4sTLQjdPdrOsDOQoS6JnC27R_ohHklPriQLBop_qfhXI2qTc0K4DFKbqomi4PVK _mwhVO23cPCjQjgY.U_W4F19y3xdyO1bg5FVkbZmQRuQMbguM Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:23:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:23:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: FreeBSD Questions , "starikarp@yandex.com" Message-ID: <1343979686.3846317.1536708222701@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20180911190736.2db8e3da@yandex.com> References: <20180911190736.2db8e3da@yandex.com> Subject: Re: portmaster MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.12406 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/62.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:23:51 -0000 Hi, Personally, I used to love all the port tools:=C2=A0 portupgrade, portmaste= r, etc..... However, since the new packaging system came along....=C2=A0 I have found v= ery little need for them.=C2=A0 I haven't checked lately, but when pkg came= out, they were in serious need of fixing, so I tried to see what pkg could= do and what shortcomings.... I haven't looked back.=C2=A0 Also, with very = few exceptions, I haven't needed ports much any more.... :)=C2=A0=20 P. On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 7:08:33 PM EDT, starikarp@yandex.com wrote: =20 =20 Hi! I try to use portmaster for update ports but I had poblems with python updates: =3D=3D=3D>>> Launching child to install devel/py-astroid@py27 =3D=3D=3D>>> All >> devel/py-astroid@py27 (61/94) =3D=3D=3D>>> Currently installed version: py27-astroid-1.6.5 =3D=3D=3D>>> Port directory: /usr/ports/devel/py-astroid@py27 =3D=3D=3D>>> Starting check for build dependencies =3D=3D=3D>>> Gathering dependency list for devel/py-astroid@py27 from ports =3D=3D=3D>>> Dependency check complete for devel/py-astroid@py27 =3D=3D=3D>>> All >> py27-astroid-1.6.5 (61/94) =3D=3D=3D>=C2=A0 Cleaning for py27-astroid-2.0.4 =3D=3D=3D>=C2=A0 py27-astroid-2.0.4 Unknown flavor 'py27', possible flavors= : py36.. *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-astroid =3D=3D=3D>>> make build failed for devel/py-astroid@py27 =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update =3D=3D=3D>>> Update for devel/py-astroid@py27 failed =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update =3D=3D=3D>>> There are messages from installed ports to display, =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 but first take a moment to review the error messages =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 above.=C2=A0 Then press Enter when ready to proceed.= =20 Is portmaster still useful, please? Thank you. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 11 23:28:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFE410A09AA for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 987638EFCE for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:28:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=OdnaNVbY c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=JBFolyDoGHsA:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=BMxJXzqDAAAA:8 a=avbgGECTwr7977TASpcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4Pqy4z9gFmAA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=roberthuff@rcn.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=roberthuff; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received-SPF: softfail (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: transitional domain rcn.com does not designate 209.6.230.48 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:45654] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id 37/D6-50030-D8F489B5; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:28:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <23448.20364.940842.217912@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:28:12 -0400 From: Robert Huff To: Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: portmaster In-Reply-To: <20180911190736.2db8e3da@yandex.com> References: <20180911190736.2db8e3da@yandex.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.1 (amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:28:21 -0000 starikarp@yandex.com writes: > Is portmaster still useful, please? Yes. I use it daily, including python ports. Unfortunately, I do not know the specific cause of your breakage. 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Itsnt 1+1=3D5 cl= ick T=E9l=E9charger Outlook pour Android From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 12 00:25:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F31810A35CB for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:25:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb31.google.com (mail-yb1-xb31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0261491314 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:25:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb31.google.com with SMTP id t10-v6so127020ybb.1 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:25:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=OrK7/XL8zC2UsdThDno4PnZL4cBvO9alK7yMK03r9tI=; b=EyIefIj95CK+FuwYMOl/Lq9SnTPkwMErK6DM7hOTIFuFV0dl+ohAdHuAh6M8M3EPD+ UY4UqNlzTWyPlTsH66XIt/nRAM0550vvVNgr0vJax+vP7/kOi6Aj+AG5kI5w5bKsTPMv 6muKxerVuKz2XBuAGeVKqYYo87F9bi8hkvmhByoWd5Jr+LC63QAq+nyKX3/xnUxzVIX5 MyOIjfvKEyq4L9sz9knU65nKaLu2bOYORQdCceGTSLsv3yqiFnA5yyfTJJ32vsAQOvKj vJB4PKSto1gWBEMZGV8sqM8VfCWwkCMXquUAY1X/V6hE/qRb/hic9/qzN1oegVKbEHrn gbVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=OrK7/XL8zC2UsdThDno4PnZL4cBvO9alK7yMK03r9tI=; b=P6AVsUhYsBZ87VKzc8zLsAjfvLHvbPjqPrw7kIU4yoZtJP7m77yEWeyDDL7sUwsDaN PK44cx/zCNTZb/Dgh9FrjsDvXMb+k1TS1DuHkvutQjz0FBanxcOkEN/bZwGxNTO/zQsC AL8uxdu+JSu1enWudC+IedWnq2Wzna6p0YNvDS4WFcKw2L05L5Ju8K6Gxr0PvqVy9gVY eJmZYoA0obnKfdJPohWJUvi/gYfSJoTxaFM5e+PcdgdlC7LEWAZzSwp2abwAfG044wt+ YvsGqT0WvsHKW9rdRHff4JXyUT4Vy7rkmQ0Kv0FDcRpfGw8ZnC3OBxhT4Hy7725+Xvy7 XnCQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51A4LrNWzDnqt+HFfDq2bhE95t2zdoKriWJzBK9eui3d4SuSAL+v UE66vxMfKrt1jW3pRBClUG8j0hw10FtWu+X6TIaHo6p6 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZw75NE2BsR7MCLgyxSqx8rAkVL8JOVJBzQnxsevZK9v9jGJUV0OifMRD0PtDbUBR7Myt0bT8tUuvFf/z0eqlQ= X-Received: by 2002:a25:5707:: with SMTP id l7-v6mr6002174ybb.456.1536711935045; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:25:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:9003:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: William Dudley Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:25:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: HELP upgrade 10.3 to 11.2, now it won't boot! To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:25:36 -0000 I started the upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2. I followed all the instructions and all "looked OK" until I got to the reboot. Now the system won't boot. copied from a photo of the screen: Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad01e failed with error 19. (something)dev variables: (something)ufs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/ad0s1e (something)ufs.root.mountfrom.options=rw (something)ual root filesystem specification: : [options] Mount using filesystem and with the specified (optional) option list. e.g. ufs:/dev/da0s1a zfs:tank cd9660:/dev/cd0 r0 and obviously, more stuff intended to be helpful printed below that. I retried the boot from ufs:/dev/ad01e in case the problem was transient, and that yields error 19 again. Help! Now what the heck do I do? Thanks, and in somewhat of a panic, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. 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To: wfdudley@gmail.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:24:49 -0000 On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:27 PM William Dudley wrote: > I started the upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2. > > I followed all the instructions and all "looked OK" until I got to > the reboot. > > Now the system won't boot. > > copied from a photo of the screen: > > Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad01e failed with error 19. > > (something)dev variables: > (something)ufs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/ad0s1e > (something)ufs.root.mountfrom.options=rw > > (something)ual root filesystem specification: > : [options] > Mount using filesystem > and with the specified (optional) option list. > > e.g. ufs:/dev/da0s1a > zfs:tank > cd9660:/dev/cd0 r0 > > and obviously, more stuff intended to be helpful printed below that. > Ugh! This error is the bane of my existence! AFAIK, mountroot() error 19 means the root filesystem cannot be found. vfs.root.mountroot, which is expected to contain the root filesystem, is derived from /etc/fstab unless explicitly defined in loader(8)*. Theoretically, you can boot to whatever root filesystem you may have by defining vfs.root.mountfrom at this prompt. Entering '?' at this prompt outputs a list of geom managed disk devices. The root filesystem is expected to be on one of these. It's unclear how the upgrade was attempted (e.g. freebsd-update(8) or source update). I've observed this error most when PXE booting bootonly media, never during an OS upgrade. You may be able to resolve it by booting the system to external media and mounting the disk with the root filesystem and modifying /etc/fstab. * https://twitter.com/hostileadmin/status/1035887403821686784 -- Rick From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 12 01:27:15 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D77310A4FBB for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x930.google.com (mail-ua1-x930.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::930]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD5CC93358 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x930.google.com with SMTP id r15-v6so274444uao.1 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:27:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pUl8pD3Wcuy6ijW1Ensg3/twsCKOARDcYKQJuogaNdU=; b=UJpkavn2QHh5tArNiQe8mRC90wfpsWzMPhgQJm4rQ+BE0BRgwQ8HHZtEHFzjOK21iV VouCxS3dyEsezdqKhk4UYQixbzPZvqnQwhXoFzYOqzAQH8o0d4W1yqamWxgxtGAISbrj G9yb1ji5enjA4kx9Kj4JC7c21wpLi6pfVbpiB5OEg7+1AzP8Iz6Q/p2UH7sM+8TVeL5m JCdfnql5eLRhNMTYBj6m2y9LVAkb57GHdzmhjVaGnJhFMXCUrKKbzUKH1PXZeKu1tUd9 M3BO8PnTM/DA5dzpBShsszcE5KOGh0gC2kMJ7MoawKfkmk3vflKY5l6dRCq1fr85QgZj TNYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pUl8pD3Wcuy6ijW1Ensg3/twsCKOARDcYKQJuogaNdU=; b=cSICw5fVOo1gZOPhxWn/QC+IrJK3TaSz6iWs1W0qRF+GroEVH5AOiaNPNKsO99nm3U osGC94gJIxv4CLGFrOLPk6nL7slTu3uxDXCzE/Iv/pxCz784CnTR1KBvHQhoEElMBiF1 WqF0nYSyN/iUvX+7BRJB7FjELmq6TKUbIui5GZ2Qf65H9gg2C0wg+fVC8ykVo7g6XhHb UtAdLNVNm2chrEGBWYaA7Hht3835uAyFyLvcRabjEzKrGlYIJYOgmVIUXwe+NyaM63Uu VzQjoHgMF9C2c58melcNm45hxhz4J0HoDK9iG2Bk/eNAKAKJqkTJE0OgJY4vY/5+TZ/J 4Ebg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51AABBOHwnOzzP0/9NM45EiqMIb6Eb652s8M0OWao7/1JnU2BIkf O3i5PqCH0n0vyuHXPzZqRhQbhY0qoGMkYgPCmQA2rg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0Vdb572vrPiE2EbG8jEgb0v7re8LO8lpSbeNDQbeyt81fLrREypxH08xB7m1MiE76cFyrUYGOfJojz0mgSv0IgOM= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:3110:: with SMTP id m16-v6mr10244034uab.48.1536715634231; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:27:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rick Miller Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:27:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HELP upgrade 10.3 to 11.2, now it won't boot! To: wfdudley@gmail.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:27:15 -0000 On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:24 PM Rick Miller wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:27 PM William Dudley wrote: > >> I started the upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2. >> >> I followed all the instructions and all "looked OK" until I got to >> the reboot. >> >> Now the system won't boot. >> >> copied from a photo of the screen: >> >> Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad01e failed with error 19. >> >> (something)dev variables: >> (something)ufs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/ad0s1e >> (something)ufs.root.mountfrom.options=rw >> >> (something)ual root filesystem specification: >> : [options] >> Mount using filesystem >> and with the specified (optional) option list. >> >> e.g. ufs:/dev/da0s1a >> zfs:tank >> cd9660:/dev/cd0 r0 >> >> and obviously, more stuff intended to be helpful printed below that. >> > > Ugh! This error is the bane of my existence! AFAIK, mountroot() error 19 > means the root filesystem cannot be found. vfs.root.mountroot, which is > expected to contain the root filesystem, is derived from /etc/fstab unless > explicitly defined in loader(8)*. Theoretically, you can boot to whatever > root filesystem you may have by defining vfs.root.mountfrom at this prompt. > > Entering '?' at this prompt outputs a list of geom managed disk devices. > The root filesystem is expected to be on one of these. > > It's unclear how the upgrade was attempted (e.g. freebsd-update(8) or > source update). I've observed this error most when PXE booting bootonly > media, never during an OS upgrade. > > You may be able to resolve it by booting the system to external media and > mounting the disk with the root filesystem and modifying /etc/fstab. > > * https://twitter.com/hostileadmin/status/1035887403821686784 > Or boot to single user at the beastie menu and attempt the same. -- Rick From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 12 01:28:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B1710A500E for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb30.google.com (mail-yb1-xb30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90F1E933A7 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:28:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb30.google.com with SMTP id y20-v6so175823ybi.13 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:28:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Z7IINYx/kcPMcY6ozk6n5XemqbTDMm/WKHLhm9xPt/c=; b=rbIJt9FARVVerVkzEMlyJlP9Z7FpXPLY0pGG6iiYDckC4Lx9a8+CtTCHELkYWLZ9E6 TgPv7Qr7JXnr1rt9XhVUuUlez0eLRLyA9IBOk9d+kBNVsxy8cGNCZiCbOd9SJYU90SyB QOB/lNrvxB+a9OaNUnNdEWTm1YJygC0Sj6BTo0e1F7grHVkngqJW+xbLG3mmUTcbEF81 NR90avHUtA8iWYi/9ZfOMC5vTEK7v0LvOJ7rB3+ClLHfv3KR8SGD5OLOJ8gwU78yWzCp wIZgs41G8XCL7q6FrnU9aMQcMP9kZb21+89pFk4oQFmtIv4pfN3f/IrZ/pCf5w5V+zwG /wqQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Z7IINYx/kcPMcY6ozk6n5XemqbTDMm/WKHLhm9xPt/c=; b=XQtvd6kGdcF4pKMWU71Hn8hIdDsJ4TrHc4BfdrQXdPBa5U6r6770GZBycpT3SWPtuT jECLscdaRu3fPd54+0k7gcpFjPXPFragtZfetZwH8Fr4GJf2D2ZEE8DHGleozeLrYda0 p8PqvZ0nXvQId68frZrI1ydXSBIKXaZfzSxjZ8nj3jMNNK8OZIAzYDJKg8TwNG8iCm/7 /2VLMUULPeUFvVAdN4fC9eantfLrvVV+cP3iqzIdb5+zoS9pctclg/LDeS+hlHeddSh5 rTOzI8+ND0Dzw3Vv540Zo9oO1F5p5FnQE4Nx4jdq99hMMNTGSSSg1bQicl+f2NRGE5Hg XXgQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51CihOcaezQcGTIWz3HUnUeaunhd74/mJKq20x3it3RrvhkUzdDY oINpszIcCUHvLtuCO2ad6xYfWq/5SHlDrOuraJB1HA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdbbGORK/recO1GOTf0KPTyRzQoAJ4tUS4R3lv0o5dhhQDb5nn1GXvnv6Lzynua8fHhx84eW01+54V5DWIK6QhM= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:e283:: with SMTP id l125-v6mr13850004ywe.242.1536715705881; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:28:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:9003:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:28:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:28:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HELP upgrade 10.3 to 11.2, now it won't boot! To: Rick Miller Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:28:27 -0000 This was a straight upgrade using freebsd-upgrade. I don't do source builds anymore, since freebsd-upgrade was "reliable". What is the boot loader expecting to find in /etc/fstab ? I can boot live media and fix that, if I know what to change it to. Thanks, Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Rick Miller wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:27 PM William Dudley wrote: > >> I started the upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2. >> >> I followed all the instructions and all "looked OK" until I got to >> the reboot. >> >> Now the system won't boot. >> >> copied from a photo of the screen: >> >> Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad01e failed with error 19. >> >> (something)dev variables: >> (something)ufs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/ad0s1e >> (something)ufs.root.mountfrom.options=rw >> >> (something)ual root filesystem specification: >> : [options] >> Mount using filesystem >> and with the specified (optional) option list. >> >> e.g. ufs:/dev/da0s1a >> zfs:tank >> cd9660:/dev/cd0 r0 >> >> and obviously, more stuff intended to be helpful printed below that. >> > > Ugh! This error is the bane of my existence! AFAIK, mountroot() error 19 > means the root filesystem cannot be found. vfs.root.mountroot, which is > expected to contain the root filesystem, is derived from /etc/fstab unless > explicitly defined in loader(8)*. Theoretically, you can boot to whatever > root filesystem you may have by defining vfs.root.mountfrom at this prompt. > > Entering '?' at this prompt outputs a list of geom managed disk devices. > The root filesystem is expected to be on one of these. > > It's unclear how the upgrade was attempted (e.g. freebsd-update(8) or > source update). I've observed this error most when PXE booting bootonly > media, never during an OS upgrade. > > You may be able to resolve it by booting the system to external media and > mounting the disk with the root filesystem and modifying /etc/fstab. > > * https://twitter.com/hostileadmin/status/1035887403821686784 > > -- > Rick > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 12 01:44:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1510510A55DF for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:44:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb34.google.com (mail-yb1-xb34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88BB493B7A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb34.google.com with SMTP id f145-v6so224927ybg.4 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:44:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KSSSQt5mEsn9DOsPru9ffB3Qe7o+eGk1AXeBXy81BoU=; b=DJDnDCaBVhPzOHOZLm49SS3/CJNfmK+s1ee0YboS/DngYT6UyWctMtg26i/jwoZkLT azyqSY4EHRfSW8DvZ2wOTOwBnZJ+IPgiPhlefXUBfggIT7dKpUezPwOJI2+LUoVav4HE bYsWyx3ZZxpcTPJ6PqgCYvOSRRplnQcmFX0Pr/E1+NtHjuUq5nE/ouUD9nSpN3/8DeCd s2sELJ9GTpLQ49QT/dKy3zVK1aqcijU3Pw4rLWHyG4KUz1DdYFXZvD/mvuLDBeDUVYT/ ZHH00Z5RxwxhDydwotmNh37Q5zJsYiepOxBQw64sa50JupJQtxL0/7U3RNP7XtVpjbMd SF+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KSSSQt5mEsn9DOsPru9ffB3Qe7o+eGk1AXeBXy81BoU=; b=EPpV7LsabVveLrtkvRa0GTfrow+cnfvzPIwjLj2iYnk7vs3AGnXh2dNK9TFbEE9QOl fAXHEXw3OF8IFkXCkPwdyjlyhRATSvPGrxK4Kz7o6kJx+nB4dkyu4IRBiC76jB107n1t TzULWgM012XvIiUVeUH7jQK7dGA91D272W8eyFDCoCWvH6SxILPqhD1Q1tMWLkEc7ixR YUq83NNwBIsmfEwxtPq6MlhTq4P9t8//FcnvWVftO9gYLld+0qCCOV5qFV2TwwpYa4ws nriKG3CdtU9rZQfbft2hDxpOFj6s6HnMKrWA5AjQBfp0NbrvS5yl3ieXbY9OycbJciv6 AD7A== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DEBtaASNfoHKjGq87K1Tx2r12i41gskxXI9njbpl3SiyIT/71Y 5CyWOZurNvcnRdX6R/NN55xDs/vRT6z70utbGXs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZdKzP68SMlrEV8TzIZXBcmCM9u01uB5a04xDTPMKLB6c0lCUhh1c7XAYMusMdPQI+nwSuYhTFRq7NwRhcjeew= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:c41:: with SMTP id d1-v6mr13806046ybr.136.1536716679927; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:44:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:9003:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:44:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:44:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HELP upgrade 10.3 to 11.2, now it won't boot! To: Rick Miller Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:44:41 -0000 It won't boot single user -- Error 19. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:27 PM, Rick Miller wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:24 PM Rick Miller wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:27 PM William Dudley >> wrote: >> >>> I started the upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2. >>> >>> I followed all the instructions and all "looked OK" until I got to >>> the reboot. >>> >>> Now the system won't boot. >>> >>> copied from a photo of the screen: >>> >>> Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad01e failed with error 19. >>> >>> (something)dev variables: >>> (something)ufs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/ad0s1e >>> (something)ufs.root.mountfrom.options=rw >>> >>> (something)ual root filesystem specification: >>> : [options] >>> Mount using filesystem >>> and with the specified (optional) option list. >>> >>> e.g. ufs:/dev/da0s1a >>> zfs:tank >>> cd9660:/dev/cd0 r0 >>> >>> and obviously, more stuff intended to be helpful printed below that. >>> >> >> Ugh! This error is the bane of my existence! AFAIK, mountroot() error 19 >> means the root filesystem cannot be found. vfs.root.mountroot, which is >> expected to contain the root filesystem, is derived from /etc/fstab unless >> explicitly defined in loader(8)*. Theoretically, you can boot to whatever >> root filesystem you may have by defining vfs.root.mountfrom at this prompt. >> >> Entering '?' at this prompt outputs a list of geom managed disk devices. >> The root filesystem is expected to be on one of these. >> >> It's unclear how the upgrade was attempted (e.g. freebsd-update(8) or >> source update). I've observed this error most when PXE booting bootonly >> media, never during an OS upgrade. >> >> You may be able to resolve it by booting the system to external media and >> mounting the disk with the root filesystem and modifying /etc/fstab. >> >> * https://twitter.com/hostileadmin/status/1035887403821686784 >> > > Or boot to single user at the beastie menu and attempt the same. > > -- > Rick > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 12 01:58:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A245510A5BE0 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A0799429C for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com with SMTP id e18-v6so240785ybq.5 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Iz/ysFR1qWZeMbtjU3ocbKgKoheq3W1eJfmreMpxaXQ=; b=jaldCY/j1w5Rdi+koCYYehzrSn6N6LoO1PItoWhn298/eBPJy7pMTweZXOQWmHkOq4 QqCm/Dld7Ec/JGEYm+j2jzCYeDvP7d7kb+AwXwgnCqcMv1Bj8qjeqTsQ0m5e/H7nCPmm NC2Y/ndrCHM8OHZ3BTQL3dKxDA6+yNP/MAJhF9g9q1cGS5NowM6B7Degr7RYcbxJBnVZ 1Q7H6X0YRj6PtLvcgMD/BCtYKMeOTil0RIlPpm4nBpRUl44webKAFaeOgMFfiIgOTWCr TD1KGLTvdSNXS14an6Tq+i2MDQAq8Fsj3q0c24ma/Evb2INmhqvJpR2nt52RoUGzCVWJ 4FQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Iz/ysFR1qWZeMbtjU3ocbKgKoheq3W1eJfmreMpxaXQ=; b=OPjvSqpc7qYGPAKm9PmpqYImozFWcwcq+0qo5BEUbM2It/GPJiZ2N+Hu6fKUkzAm9c 8+bOIWWuZwWj1J0YRUuyWdwFwuIkANJ5lcj/P1ZqtmVGQG6EgZiB56u9dekxa4Q+NP7j yggocjaJ7Fe+FWixULqnkDOPo+P7ONQ38LFp3AUfdb5DOXBY6zXTYFqIDL1SKDDbB1E/ BcCMTnhyfeSwDOkclmBWuxtoRal5e4GX7SphhMI9/A18vmaycGba7pdPVW7SbmjVCjXF ciIOn70mQjOITmKcZhRMOf6FX0TGJ/agFYviFsz6UDR1haYcRe+HyLE4Xm4CIymJwOvC qtxA== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BOf3sWjPo6Bd1HJhLNGrq8rAM1QcnuXglPY88egjiM2wXomdXe Q6Psrw0d96rjPROPc/NEIBAeXfIWwVjbFJI9RUc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYVbhOpfzKnr/cv7Y7n6jtKh9E99UppvHft83xeUDX0KmYbSacUnkswjhWkSfU7uBZOQ/2Hvj5dG0ZgQM7Tt40= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:d849:: with SMTP id a70-v6mr14454021ywe.506.1536717499557; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:58:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:9003:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:58:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:58:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HELP upgrade 10.3 to 11.2, now it won't boot! To: Rick Miller , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 01:58:20 -0000 Rick, The problem was that my root partition had an "old" name: /dev/ad0s1a, instead of the "new" name, /dev/ada0s1a. I booted a live CD and fixed it, and now it's booting. That scared the crap out of me. I'm not running ZFS -- I try to be as conservative as possible, not wanting to get bitten by experimental new tech. So the boot drive is PATA, UFS. I have a gmirror running on some SATA drives where the data is actually stored. Thanks very much for your help -- you had the answer. If you're ever in central New Jersey, let me buy you a beer. Or equivalent. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:52 PM, Rick Miller wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:28 PM William Dudley wrote: > >> This was a straight upgrade using freebsd-upgrade. I don't do source >> builds anymore, since freebsd-upgrade was "reliable". >> >> What is the boot loader expecting to find in /etc/fstab ? >> >> I can boot live media and fix that, if I know what to change it to. >> > > The device for / in /etc/fstab must be valid. Do you know your partition > layout? The device in fstab must be the device with root. Check the devices > returned from '?' at the mountroot prompt. Unfortunately, the circumstances > surrounding our experiences with this error are quite different and fixing > the two are different. > > Is this ZFS? Are there options to boot an alternate kernel? Tried that? > Failing that, boot to external media to verify and validate /etc/fstab. > > >> Thanks, >> Bill Dudley >> >> >> >> This email is free of malware because I run Linux. >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Rick Miller wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:27 PM William Dudley >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I started the upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2. >>>> >>>> I followed all the instructions and all "looked OK" until I got to >>>> the reboot. >>>> >>>> Now the system won't boot. >>>> >>>> copied from a photo of the screen: >>>> >>>> Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad01e failed with error 19. >>>> >>>> (something)dev variables: >>>> (something)ufs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/ad0s1e >>>> (something)ufs.root.mountfrom.options=rw >>>> >>>> (something)ual root filesystem specification: >>>> : [options] >>>> Mount using filesystem >>>> and with the specified (optional) option list. >>>> >>>> e.g. ufs:/dev/da0s1a >>>> zfs:tank >>>> cd9660:/dev/cd0 r0 >>>> >>>> and obviously, more stuff intended to be helpful printed below that. >>>> >>> >>> Ugh! This error is the bane of my existence! AFAIK, mountroot() error 19 >>> means the root filesystem cannot be found. vfs.root.mountroot, which is >>> expected to contain the root filesystem, is derived from /etc/fstab unless >>> explicitly defined in loader(8)*. Theoretically, you can boot to whatever >>> root filesystem you may have by defining vfs.root.mountfrom at this prompt. >>> >>> Entering '?' at this prompt outputs a list of geom managed disk devices. >>> The root filesystem is expected to be on one of these. >>> >>> It's unclear how the upgrade was attempted (e.g. freebsd-update(8) or >>> source update). I've observed this error most when PXE booting bootonly >>> media, never during an OS upgrade. >>> >>> You may be able to resolve it by booting the system to external media >>> and mounting the disk with the root filesystem and modifying /etc/fstab. >>> >>> * https://twitter.com/hostileadmin/status/1035887403821686784 >>> >>> -- >>> Rick >>> >> >> > > -- > Take care > Rick Miller > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 12 02:00:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904C510A5CC1 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 02:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x932.google.com (mail-ua1-x932.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::932]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29F0A9438E for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 02:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x932.google.com with SMTP id f4-v6so291440uao.10 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:00:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XTUV1F/16F63MWaDF2XWqC8b1GSMFZc8us7YAaiZMKw=; b=cKZRmpvz+DUIDX+RkMnaSU8gABDDiuPou8m7R2xGn2JfYNZQWprRoTqoUf79TxVbBh bd1t/IE3zSr18KzHOjYMf/28KUQZm6YzwjM9uNIQLOv0tHHVvberHsDX6pY993krVZVh QbV70bHUL0ewt+/kfqYzAMY0O1ARfAKPS1chxI4GuuAKVinMPApC8YGfDVve5IMsgkfs YyUq9B2bRXL2iqkAIIYJ5EgqUhttuRKBvtH6Am+0b8Zmaau6lj7MfXwmyos2XXrPgOwr FEt2GNIca+6cpyhizcKVrfTPhVXpdIR8VubqhnOc2gNB05h37sX/jTaFzRO9VSmfXwqw +7ew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XTUV1F/16F63MWaDF2XWqC8b1GSMFZc8us7YAaiZMKw=; b=bLcGEs/pR1Gw8ehxAXPeJ5ZdwqS8B/lMEOwuzWfKFu+bXMD0Hj9zPbluCNoCUfM8rg RjYGMcd9s/zygc5U0d60s6Z4iWcG4gw01ZMtRI1aD+JELWAnrkIgwGE/0t2V+/MqDONX UyFhO78t+t6mZZqHd/640v2yMcOD9bhsQi7Wu/qY4K09sNIhTpr/HXgW7KgFKy3fhY+H B8wza990Osi9sUiUtEcTZgAx9i9ngPBbReTmDw2BRL8QwQBaZFnzfxSrt1/U+99u8wG3 SVmIg7iixihdztDVYj5wsfHDdJSRBcxNeuq6+x4tUcOz2zlQ/hqpxEdwt834mhJiTj9j mSEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DOO/eIHTQtXw2hycMp5bQJSjPDzfH4tSh8EISdAQOQzkeNtP0p zRxibkTVPzkQcOo26e1IGaHfRu7LWFDrARTO7PWRqQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYs/oBoMvIdJtrwkXUZdB3ceExBdsqBOYEj5f0XfAU9GwjU7R8TCO5rpqPsx4B671ANqH0ssb8b5M0NDplGfDI= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:3110:: with SMTP id m16-v6mr10278010uab.48.1536717639631; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:00:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rick Miller Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 22:00:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HELP upgrade 10.3 to 11.2, now it won't boot! To: wfdudley@gmail.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 02:00:40 -0000 Glad it worked! On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:58 PM William Dudley wrote: > Rick, > > The problem was that my root partition had an "old" name: /dev/ad0s1a, > instead of the > "new" name, /dev/ada0s1a. I booted a live CD and fixed it, and now it's > booting. > > That scared the crap out of me. > > I'm not running ZFS -- I try to be as conservative as possible, not > wanting to get bitten > by experimental new tech. So the boot drive is PATA, UFS. I have a > gmirror running > on some SATA drives where the data is actually stored. > > Thanks very much for your help -- you had the answer. > > If you're ever in central New Jersey, let me buy you a beer. Or > equivalent. > > Bill Dudley > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:52 PM, Rick Miller wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:28 PM William Dudley >> wrote: >> >>> This was a straight upgrade using freebsd-upgrade. I don't do source >>> builds anymore, since freebsd-upgrade was "reliable". >>> >>> What is the boot loader expecting to find in /etc/fstab ? >>> >>> I can boot live media and fix that, if I know what to change it to. >>> >> >> The device for / in /etc/fstab must be valid. Do you know your partition >> layout? The device in fstab must be the device with root. Check the devices >> returned from '?' at the mountroot prompt. Unfortunately, the circumstances >> surrounding our experiences with this error are quite different and fixing >> the two are different. >> >> Is this ZFS? Are there options to boot an alternate kernel? Tried that? >> Failing that, boot to external media to verify and validate /etc/fstab. >> >> >>> Thanks, >>> Bill Dudley >>> >>> >>> >>> This email is free of malware because I run Linux. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Rick Miller >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:27 PM William Dudley >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I started the upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2. >>>>> >>>>> I followed all the instructions and all "looked OK" until I got to >>>>> the reboot. >>>>> >>>>> Now the system won't boot. >>>>> >>>>> copied from a photo of the screen: >>>>> >>>>> Mounting from ufs:/dev/ad01e failed with error 19. >>>>> >>>>> (something)dev variables: >>>>> (something)ufs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/ad0s1e >>>>> (something)ufs.root.mountfrom.options=rw >>>>> >>>>> (something)ual root filesystem specification: >>>>> : [options] >>>>> Mount using filesystem >>>>> and with the specified (optional) option list. >>>>> >>>>> e.g. ufs:/dev/da0s1a >>>>> zfs:tank >>>>> cd9660:/dev/cd0 r0 >>>>> >>>>> and obviously, more stuff intended to be helpful printed below that. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Ugh! This error is the bane of my existence! AFAIK, mountroot() error >>>> 19 means the root filesystem cannot be found. vfs.root.mountroot, which is >>>> expected to contain the root filesystem, is derived from /etc/fstab unless >>>> explicitly defined in loader(8)*. Theoretically, you can boot to whatever >>>> root filesystem you may have by defining vfs.root.mountfrom at this prompt. >>>> >>>> Entering '?' at this prompt outputs a list of geom managed disk >>>> devices. The root filesystem is expected to be on one of these. >>>> >>>> It's unclear how the upgrade was attempted (e.g. freebsd-update(8) or >>>> source update). I've observed this error most when PXE booting bootonly >>>> media, never during an OS upgrade. >>>> >>>> You may be able to resolve it by booting the system to external media >>>> and mounting the disk with the root filesystem and modifying /etc/fstab. >>>> >>>> * https://twitter.com/hostileadmin/status/1035887403821686784 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rick >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Take care >> Rick Miller >> > > -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 12 04:13:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA92810A832D for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 04:13:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from tmsmtp04oc.mail2world.com (tmsmtp04oc.mail2world.com [209.67.128.157]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BF097E5B for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 04:13:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from mail pickup service by tmsmtp04oc.mail2world.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:16:30 -0700 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown auth-sender: mapsware@prodigy.net.mx Received: from 189.174.148.224 unverified ([189.174.148.224]) by tmsmtp04oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:16:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:13:30 -0700 From: Martin Paredes To: Steven Friedrich Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Can't mount thumb drive Message-ID: <20180909204139.73d75736@morena.maps.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i386-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2018 04:16:30.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[61F895A0:01D44A4F] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 04:13:40 -0000 El Sat, 8 Sep 2018 15:17:32 -0400 Steven Friedrich escribi=F3: > When I plug in my thumb drive (A Kingston Data Traveler 1G, FAT), >=20 > but when I try to mount it using: > mount_msdosfs /dev/da0 /mnt >=20 > it squeals Invalid argument. >=20 > So I tried: > mount_msdosfs /dev/da0a /mnt > it squeals Invalid argument. >=20 > Both /dev/da0 and /dev/da0a exist. >=20 > What am I doing wrong? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" If it's a FAT slice (partition), you should be using /dev/da0s1 You should verify it's slices gpart show da0 --=20 Martin Paredes Hermosillo, Son. 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Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster Message-ID: <20180912042632.fppkes7li2rrela2@mail.bsd4all.net> References: <20180911190736.2db8e3da@yandex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180911190736.2db8e3da@yandex.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 04:26:35 -0000 On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 07:07:36PM -0400, starikarp@yandex.com wrote: > Hi! > > I try to use portmaster for update ports but I had poblems with python > updates: > > ===>>> Launching child to install devel/py-astroid@py27 > > ===>>> All >> devel/py-astroid@py27 (61/94) > > ===>>> Currently installed version: py27-astroid-1.6.5 > ===>>> Port directory: /usr/ports/devel/py-astroid@py27 > > ===>>> Starting check for build dependencies > ===>>> Gathering dependency list for devel/py-astroid@py27 from ports > ===>>> Dependency check complete for devel/py-astroid@py27 > > ===>>> All >> py27-astroid-1.6.5 (61/94) > > ===> Cleaning for py27-astroid-2.0.4 > ===> py27-astroid-2.0.4 Unknown flavor 'py27', possible flavors: py36.. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-astroid > > ===>>> make build failed for devel/py-astroid@py27 > ===>>> Aborting update > > ===>>> Update for devel/py-astroid@py27 failed > ===>>> Aborting update > > ===>>> There are messages from installed ports to display, > but first take a moment to review the error messages > above. Then press Enter when ready to proceed. > > Is portmaster still useful, please? Try: portmaster -o devel/py-astroid1 py27-astroid-1.6.5 -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 12 06:05:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26BC1081D7D for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:05:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60DD973C7A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:05:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1536732307; x=1539324307; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=oHNuAd+FBGyFn8UzXgrNjmwXoEoU+MCozN+a70B1zKw=; b=cnffys3byVecVYd7RoUv/MLfs8iE6sPQwl0Nzm4gLv/aUEHICGGd+QZJHxGgNKO8HzIb+/STNWQxp9qQCIIsAZAeHua08xs5VSDLAgObZePgd9Zgyq6IPITrku8+KBCeBCAZsIIdk6WPQMU8IGdWAGGlyvSRzkf56KjWSGwzF8o= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xOTkwMDAwMDIwODBjN2QuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.204.195.176]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 12 Sep 2018 02:04:55 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 12 Sep 2018 02:04:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fzyGj-0006uX-NI; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:04:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 07:04:52 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Alejandro Imass Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: [OT] Is the IT Crowd re-inventing Unix with Virtualization, Docker and Microservices? Message-Id: <20180912070452.2f692cb32b4dabc45b9c9933@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:05:07 -0000 On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 15:10:16 -0400 Alejandro Imass wrote: > Hi all, > > I guess it's time for another food for thought email of like-minded > FreeBSDers, as I am coming to a new conclusion about this whole enterprise > crap world of which I am so evermore fed up of... While the enterprise stack folks may well be reinventing unix badly, there's another group the unikernel crowd busily reinventing CP/M. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 12 08:09:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C4E108AE15 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 08:09:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) Received: from mailrelay105.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay105.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.20.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "relay.skynet.be", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84C19772AE; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 08:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes IronPort-PHdr: =?us-ascii?q?9a23=3ArIijPBfkLtaKozY/714S3wXUlGMj4u6mDksu8p?= =?us-ascii?q?Mizoh2WeGdxcu7Zx7h7PlgxGXEQZ/co6odzbaO7Oa4ASQp2tWoiDg6aptCVh?= =?us-ascii?q?sI2409vjcLJ4q7M3D9N+PgdCcgHc5PBxdP9nC/NlVJSo6lPwWB6nK94iQPFR?= =?us-ascii?q?rhKAF7Ovr6GpLIj8Swyuu+54Dfbx9HiTahY75+Ngm6oRnMvcQKnIVuLbo8xA?= =?us-ascii?q?HUqXVSYeRWwm1oJVOXnxni48q74YBu/SdNtf8/7sBMSar1cbg2QrxeFzQmLn?= =?us-ascii?q?s65Nb3uhnZTAuA/WUTX2MLmRdVGQfF7RX6XpDssivms+d2xSeXMdHqQb0yRD?= =?us-ascii?q?+v6bpgRh31hycdLzM3/mHZhNJtgqxYoh2hqRNwzJLbboyOKPpzfL/Rcc8GSW?= =?us-ascii?q?ZdQMpcUTFKDIOmb4sICuoMJfhWrYz5p1ATsxa+Ag6sBPjxxT9NnHD227Y62P?= =?us-ascii?q?kmHAHa3QwgHdYOvW/UotXvKqgdT/24wrTGwznZaPNWwzj95ZHOfxs8ov+MRa?= =?us-ascii?q?p9fMnTxEU1Fg7Ij0+cpZHnMj6RzOgBrmiW4upmWOmykWAosRtxrSKqxso0j4?= =?us-ascii?q?nJgZ8axU7c+CVixYY1OcW4SElmYd64CJdQtz+VN49xQs46QGFnoiI6yrwDuZ?= =?us-ascii?q?GlZigKz44rxwLea/yFd4iE+A7sVOGWITdjmn1lfaiwhxCp8US6ze38TMa03E?= =?us-ascii?q?5LripDjNbMqmgA2h/R58SdS/Zw/12t1SuN2g3X8O1IPEA5mKrDJ54k2LEwl5?= =?us-ascii?q?4TsUrZHi/xnUX7lLOWdkQm+uis8OnnbK/mqYGCOIBvkQHxL74imsulAeQ3Kg?= =?us-ascii?q?QORXSU+fyg1L3/+k30WLVEjuconabHrZ3UOMoVq7WlAw5bzokv8QqwDzCj0I?= =?us-ascii?q?dQoX5SF05IZh+Bx6bzOlzCOvHzDb/rrU6hnR1Q69jaIbanCZLIeCvtirDkKI?= =?us-ascii?q?qa7wZ3zw0owNVW4YkcXq0AIvbbdFX8ufbjIlk+KQPikLWvM8l0yo5LATHHOa?= =?us-ascii?q?SeKq6H6VI=3D?= X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2A4BABUyZhb/5uzQldbGwEBAQEDAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BCQEBAYNOgVISKIxki0UBAYIMMwGJGY5nhHEEAgKDQCI4FAECAQECAQECAWw?= =?us-ascii?q?ogjUigmIBBTocIxALDgoJJQ8qHgYThSemBog/gUaGUYQtggCEJIo0IgKOBY4?= =?us-ascii?q?MCY97IoEyjUOVcSGBVU0wCIMnkFU9MI4nAQE?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2A4BABUyZhb/5uzQldbGwEBAQEDAQEBCQEBAYNOgVISK?= =?us-ascii?q?Ixki0UBAYIMMwGJGY5nhHEEAgKDQCI4FAECAQECAQECAWwogjUigmIBBTocI?= =?us-ascii?q?xALDgoJJQ8qHgYThSemBog/gUaGUYQtggCEJIo0IgKOBY4MCY97IoEyjUOVc?= =?us-ascii?q?SGBVU0wCIMnkFU9MI4nAQE?= Received: from 155.179-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([87.66.179.155]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 12 Sep 2018 10:08:59 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w8C88waA093151; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 10:08:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 10:08:58 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?VMSzbA==?= Coosemans To: Steven Friedrich Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, kde@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kde5 documentation Message-ID: <20180912100858.5dd08099@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <8676546.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> References: <8676546.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 08:09:07 -0000 On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:10:11 -0400 Steven Friedrich wrote: > When I open KDE Wallet, I selected Wallet Manager Handbook from the help menu. > I got: > Documentation not Found > Jack Ostroff > Revision Frameworks 5.0 (2014-04-02) > The requested documentation was not found on your computer. > The documentation may not exist, or it may not have been installed with the > application. > > How can I install this documentation? There seems to be something wrong with the package. The documentation seems to be missing from security/kwalletmanager/pkg-plist. I CCed kde@freebsd.org. 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Regards, *Maria Martinez* Data Specialist If you wish not to include or mailing kindly reply =E2=80=9COpt Out=E2=80= =9D in the Subject Line From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 12 19:53:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF25D109BAB5 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 19:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tcberner@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x232.google.com (mail-qt0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DCC48FFE0; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 19:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tcberner@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x232.google.com with SMTP id k38-v6so3128679qtk.11; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:53:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=TWEllgJqgKmoekm8lNYarXpgPaRVxrcxm0RoCL0QMjk=; b=FGuc9P3nZBTYFnIPVkGljGKPmaf63fdXVK6+qvWhjk+v+xnrgh4KNhM8JgsqSqTPPt pAWanbgkqlTitn1BYnmYrj2pMgNwoBVEUp8i/Fgs1jPEFYlOesKlGZFz6YCo043nnXD+ 1LueoD6RIwpeKYwrxOSsBX2EKHEtJOZSsZ5NpxMvckZd8vlS8B0euAgtS24Q6GiiZzRl bkLhRIjPcmmEvMSZgyO3pXYpVs13dQu4xXzYfkzPfCsFjMS72pdMw8z/wuHaRG5nNjgK 7sm+KWTj7MQEzW7uH7cNZGWk9Ex1ePNAXQ+jTJiYZHWVzHmhjA7HjjcW4/ecQs9unPFj ixsQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TWEllgJqgKmoekm8lNYarXpgPaRVxrcxm0RoCL0QMjk=; b=misBcKsIUY0j7nYajHABmt1Y8GdXu+mF+eAS2Ldc8u4hSp2RRsdrFyBUoST1OnA0Co eeCpEODUmtaYafrxCKo6ZfOy7MndvJxsxeNWz1WCfHu/8P6SNXQ660WIH1qd7jEYMPgQ NuYberh7yS1sBQqbZiLAgg3XXsH7AG5n6ipIBhLXaisS0o2pkCb43oZ0q3G8WIHm/8dq 4QMxVQ8iEoHffXmHRiF+9vB/+MPqrtU7x7EVDEYTEORhrtmIay2dMxc5RfGDCftMWJ9a ayTalfixOtuo1R4nnGcie0/RT9gJQXCzVfTKG3zdZhfBXtVTXcmvtvrwRWZ4U7vR4WJ3 DwbA== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BKYcJ/8uxsBSnPK5fGWWOfgHG9cVEo/IpmJbJEGf9qQfdVD1N6 vVQ9HlCh+ETm3ooXdCuKpln0OYS12JxCA+jY/xrlfC8ezPI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZHtu3EVFp7KvSLHeEtEdLQEkgIp+qfDFfRy+0mCdy9c31ZJLk2Z4pDjZnKgJ7KD5dQ30+PPpSlMRLM632ERXA= X-Received: by 2002:aed:20f1:: with SMTP id 104-v6mr2920600qtb.81.1536782028879; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:53:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8676546.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> <20180912100858.5dd08099@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <20180912100858.5dd08099@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> From: "Tobias C. Berner" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 21:53:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: kde5 documentation To: Tijl Coosemans Cc: FreeBSD@twc.com, "kde@FreeBSD.org" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 19:53:50 -0000 Moin moin The docs get added automatically to the plist in kde.mk by setting PORTDOCS= . Can you check that your portstree is newer than https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/security/kwalletmanager/Makefile?limi= t_changes=3D0&view=3Dmarkup&pathrev=3D479406 mfg Tobias On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 10:09, T=C4=B3l Coosemans wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:10:11 -0400 Steven Friedrich > wrote: > > When I open KDE Wallet, I selected Wallet Manager Handbook from the hel= p > menu. > > I got: > > Documentation not Found > > Jack Ostroff > > Revision Frameworks 5.0 (2014-04-02) > > The requested documentation was not found on your computer. > > The documentation may not exist, or it may not have been installed with > the > > application. > > > > How can I install this documentation? > > There seems to be something wrong with the package. The documentation > seems to be missing from security/kwalletmanager/pkg-plist. I CCed > kde@freebsd.org. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 12 21:14:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A66F109D392 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 21:14:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward101p.mail.yandex.net (forward101p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1C7D723F5 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from mxback1j.mail.yandex.net (mxback1j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::10a]) by forward101p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 28DB04E8286F; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 00:13:46 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp4o.mail.yandex.net (smtp4o.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::28]) by mxback1j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id vlToRk5vgX-DjuOVCLr; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 00:13:46 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1536786826; bh=orhLj5u0+L8mM+fQuF4WpDd/dYS8qzAFpc1TZ5DX4zM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References; b=fgYRL5HpEQP4HNu5IlRDxOYQKccgkFqJivX24vggh9RjBQ8E8XVzJArKSG3vAqBog 1jTlI86CRVUHJwmHqSRYYaWYQH9d+cFu1cTEKQa9Oa6GK0hCpnGUT59O/I1P+D2p1t BKvDvQqZdrdpx+wgGftW29H685RHNZO1swPQFzos= Received: by smtp4o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id PEtxukliaL-DhvWJ4NG; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 00:13:44 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1536786824; bh=orhLj5u0+L8mM+fQuF4WpDd/dYS8qzAFpc1TZ5DX4zM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References; b=AGArmm/XjPWp2TKnsyGThIqEfgetV9AbRIVaLm+CFWRu7F8U77a7F3y0miPuEpqi+ 2GauqZw99XhOsuzweiaUvCTASksp/tEy3WxTsH/2LVSw/zPUWTkSvjhQkJpOvg/sCd iEA6Nurf1Jy+L1DbplD9mss7Vip2Fs1mzbldJlog= Authentication-Results: smtp4o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 17:13:41 -0400 From: To: "Herbert J. Skuhra" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster Message-ID: <20180912171341.39200e81@yandex.com> In-Reply-To: <20180912042632.fppkes7li2rrela2@mail.bsd4all.net> References: <20180911190736.2db8e3da@yandex.com> <20180912042632.fppkes7li2rrela2@mail.bsd4all.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 21:14:07 -0000 On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:26:32 +0200 "Herbert J. Skuhra" wrote: > portmaster -o devel/py-astroid1 py27-astroid-1.6.5 It works. Thank you very much. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 03:46:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE12610A4430 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 03:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C2557E03D; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 03:46:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from chameleon.friedrich.org ([74.132.25.214]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 0IZvgNbTVAx0y0IZxgBcfv; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 03:46:06 +0000 From: Steven Friedrich To: "Tobias C. Berner" Cc: Tijl Coosemans , "kde@FreeBSD.org" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kde5 documentation Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 23:46:03 -0400 Message-ID: <8659424.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> In-Reply-To: References: <8676546.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> <20180912100858.5dd08099@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfAdlq1KrvZQteOz/TLN9XU80zt+1vNgI+y54tjCqic2artsHP6nbW0FgFCdtciHqPikwBMyTjHArVMkvS6QkbXrPDns0WO4JJVt3CQ1EAyuuZlE2mvdI 1ianc4YGb1o83cMM8qosZSo/S/RoVcS9FijPU0AU9pmw8DLx9Ce9U06kPRQ3RW1ZNCAOOYYZC/GA0vEKgwBU5DwxWBPF/4QhGV5CFcYftCfj0jMEPltY0uxP HHJnCglUTNXA00d3at3df7CrlBYIrQJyWjgqJn4q2vyfnDHIdn7n0F9OIkuOzUdIViLJFI/u1Iue8VIQ91HrFw== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 03:46:14 -0000 On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 15:53:37 EDT Tobias C. Berner wrote: > Moin moin > > The docs get added automatically to the plist in kde.mk by setting PORTDOCS. > > Can you check that your portstree is newer than > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/security/kwalletmanager/Makefile?limit > _changes=0&view=markup&pathrev=479406 > > > mfg Tobias > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 10:09, T?l Coosemans wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:10:11 -0400 Steven Friedrich > > > > wrote: > > > When I open KDE Wallet, I selected Wallet Manager Handbook from the help > > > > menu. > > > > > I got: > > > Documentation not Found > > > Jack Ostroff > > > Revision Frameworks 5.0 (2014-04-02) > > > The requested documentation was not found on your computer. > > > The documentation may not exist, or it may not have been installed with > > > > the > > > > > application. > > > > > > How can I install this documentation? > > > > There seems to be something wrong with the package. The documentation > > seems to be missing from security/kwalletmanager/pkg-plist. I CCed > > kde@freebsd.org. Turns out I do have The KWallet Handbook on my system, it just doesn't come up when I select it from the KWallet Help menu. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 04:14:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B04110A4CDF for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 04:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920D87F177 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 04:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from unknown (HELO leader.local) ([118.211.28.199]) by ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2018 13:44:23 +0930 Subject: Re: [OT] Is the IT Crowd re-inventing Unix with Virtualization, Docker and Microservices? To: Alejandro Imass , FreeBSD Questions References: From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <6082af1c-1ea4-7180-9621-cc539e8131b2@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:44:20 +0930 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 04:14:31 -0000 On 12/9/18 4:40 am, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Hi all, > > I guess it's time for another food for thought email of like-minded > FreeBSDers, as I am coming to a new conclusion about this whole enterprise > crap world of which I am so evermore fed up of... > > Oh yeah, that's right, high-level guys are too expensive? really? compared > to what? to the dozens and dozens of mediocre "coders", "devops", > "techops"and whatever other "ops". Yeah, we are way more expensive but we > are 50:1, maybe 100:1 compared the median in the "enterprise" side of > things. Good tech guys who know what to do don't use enough new fancy tech. It's all about the buzzwords, the more your product uses the more money you get to build it. The more layers, the more complex, the more people dumb CEOs need to pay to setup and maintain it, but it has to be using the newest, flashiest tech. If you have used the stuff before you need to go and make a new one or two for the next project. One good guy can't support an enterprise, it needs to be a group of dimwits that band together and cover each others f*ups to support an enterprise. I recall the Y2K bug, a well known telco employed about 80 people to walk around to every desktop computer and manually run some script off a server that checked installed programs and updated each one. Well this telco has software installed on every desktop that allowed one person to access every machine in the country, show reports of software and versions installed, install, update or remotely control the GUI desktop. The team I was on completed our two months work the first week, so we got to use this to manually do the stupid steps on machines in other states, after someone there had walked around to turn machines on. It was all about one guy coming up with something that sounded complex enough that the CEO can't understand but had enough buzzwords and parts that it must be the solution to this dreaded Y2K problem. -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 05:31:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3971010A609D for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 05:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tcberner@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x233.google.com (mail-qt0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C93B780D79; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 05:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tcberner@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x233.google.com with SMTP id n6-v6so4297720qtl.4; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 22:31:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=V0EMEBSpCuQ3jKdQSZyal/7DPO1R2LcpakRjGRAl/Q4=; b=S4ic4XJPTpETsOR4uSIusIMs6keLzuB0frRqyV9O/50o+32mNEUQ0NERIw8MoRYuF3 ECHHDc0g0qbyKjfOAZVKvbrd2PZO3NUKprto3ZJ0qhvU7FcgekPzEZ5YjBA18YrDyMLy iikjhakyoDrL46LlJnkjLdTXm5pumdw5P+YM6o+//ml4DqAvtbviXdcBkZK1xUilAmSH EjbU8gv3Wku0JFj7kJFc7BUWAkowRPwzMnNnQe8rXf/LOF8BBaiANqNCX/B6yF5wLEFs m0bGBEqGjJhtvi71jftsmni/6wyynTm12pV4w90l+uVwoRPFF/lwooVb9UIjDKS6jRRu 0PCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=V0EMEBSpCuQ3jKdQSZyal/7DPO1R2LcpakRjGRAl/Q4=; b=KevZh05dNMJKVTLWh11jDBlhrAutWBm+atqLtEy/9eB+Ktmkils/kPlV9l70r53mn1 6xzH1DmfMwfolMAcxPPrS0i6h7KEI3uqCPYm6ZrZeBAkFzldnW5uLhe+KEDNMnSiJbi1 n2wGOhYtFhVV4gUNA4XbJTScJEqWQ3BwRKhiV8Os60Y+Esu1zg5PI/nrSgY3+lx1OhCc miVR4LOsUU87TwiWnIr42abgzycyEY6EZ8dlVsSAItjVdLbROB1IUIW5cKjcCRjh21Mx FWRH1r5QG+aKhvqLEFZl9Tw/58ZbUZmVFy//qg/7M3KrfPsejHA2JdQpx8WjaWuF236Y W2Ww== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51ARqSHbwzjBa5q2bhSGJaeRe9B22qlykt/mx3Kxy1hHisz+naxD 4KQgVV/OCMwrZv32ZHhRX5uWkxm0PMF8T27FTS8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdazpP786J2NA16GxNcTPKWPhKgqssMzXynv6ucRsToEaQu0JDuoXTG6fwJueTD7GxkIspsGRrNiaKPBLE4WHa4= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:d2ba:: with SMTP id q55-v6mr3932074qvh.150.1536816694213; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 22:31:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8676546.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> <20180912100858.5dd08099@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> <8659424.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> In-Reply-To: <8659424.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> From: "Tobias C. Berner" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 07:31:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: kde5 documentation To: FreeBSD@twc.com Cc: Tijl Coosemans , "kde@FreeBSD.org" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 05:31:35 -0000 Moin moin You should be able to find the documentation in khelpcenter under the "Applications Manual" entry in the list on the left -- not quite as nice as directly through kwalletmanager... but at least you can read it :) mfg Tobias On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 05:46, Steven Friedrich wrote: > On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 15:53:37 EDT Tobias C. Berner wrote: > > Moin moin > > > > The docs get added automatically to the plist in kde.mk by setting > PORTDOCS. > > > > Can you check that your portstree is newer than > > > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/security/kwalletmanager/Makefile?limit > > _changes=0&view=markup&pathrev=479406 > > > > > > mfg Tobias > > > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 10:09, T?l Coosemans wrote: > > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:10:11 -0400 Steven Friedrich > > > > > > wrote: > > > > When I open KDE Wallet, I selected Wallet Manager Handbook from the > help > > > > > > menu. > > > > > > > I got: > > > > Documentation not Found > > > > Jack Ostroff > > > > Revision Frameworks 5.0 (2014-04-02) > > > > The requested documentation was not found on your computer. > > > > The documentation may not exist, or it may not have been installed > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > application. > > > > > > > > How can I install this documentation? > > > > > > There seems to be something wrong with the package. The documentation > > > seems to be missing from security/kwalletmanager/pkg-plist. I CCed > > > kde@freebsd.org. > > Turns out I do have The KWallet Handbook on my system, it just doesn't > come up > when I select it from the KWallet Help menu. > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 08:44:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4661080A5D for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:44:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aawaitz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x22d.google.com (mail-qt0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53218874CF for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:44:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aawaitz@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id k38-v6so4592308qtk.11 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 01:44:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5OG1WL24cHhwoKwF/iipEnPqqBrFAa3Op5XhbycIEBI=; b=cRbkFBf0LjYAbaTF0pfBTEpOCzUD0SVd7+sI/MsXENE4tCSDYwDqgFSUYKymbr93wj 3DNa+SOfhW3evfUKiwva5pmr0lgjDLZA7B9CNPue2V2+7tKPaj7fSgfF75GEuegntNh8 LOuvfBxz6gKYGpFl8p072/1iaqWbEKozy30r6KP8FSYwmaHA/afD+ogLnuy2mnCaHXUz iv1Ij9MtyEi86T6v0t4CWKTw9JOCzI7xNoQbQ0YtdV35N0oMFWX5CIcTHCPsi9AJlugC QpJVg5egpUsoND9kPaLn99L/mcakQJYei6RhrqmRGzPz28UnvunygCb+dthodcZTavqG Z+gQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5OG1WL24cHhwoKwF/iipEnPqqBrFAa3Op5XhbycIEBI=; b=Zio0/64ZvNAmLLQcYhtPaSWMtvqtxxUjx9XQC/Ms9+qmTI2WAxrQ1PJhGX8HdZI3WN D12u393aO+Jt7/0XGbae6epdB6WhzJgKlFz6RPNbCicJM/jsEtvAr1m+AkDYYgZDxH4X oVeNRMMmuCMD+Odc55kVhLZVCrAm1vIRsBldZUKyfhwRBpxwPkV14ZCZ6s9xmKuhsQA1 OTeHHdDFn0q2+c5XZaxnTTBqKH3UGSwtO/z0cFXx/wFfyeopf682hoNUUAM3RLUlREo1 z6BYe/OJLWkf5G7le+0pspW7lYrj/k8UzqS7jdTDTen3VagPfQllrgGXZAKbOmrxeRmj AfGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51CkRLe0Nsdvl9Ll93zPGcCejPZQGGWAtW8uWVDsZOn9yLI62yMC bG4KQO1MjiDbJomfYo6SsZSmDCQD9Ud68p0L7EZHUA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYqxxG8aAp2BXpYAm2k9F91fqEYsGv0nGpZfzJSH6s7KRsxYoNBBdVyX7GkJhRbYOLBydDnuUhrn1djiTz//JA= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:28bb:: with SMTP id i56-v6mr4397305qti.140.1536828260612; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 01:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 01:44:19 -0700 From: Anthony Waitz X-Mailer: Airmail (506) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 01:44:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: install FreeBSD under VMware Fusion documentation To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:44:22 -0000 Do you have updated instructions on how to install FreeBSD under VMware Fusion? Your documentation page ( https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/virtualization-guest-vmware.html) is far out of date that I can=E2=80=99t figure out how to get it up and runnin= g with the current version of Fusion. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 13:21:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54EF108DA09 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw1-xc2c.google.com (mail-yw1-xc2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E7A870839 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw1-xc2c.google.com with SMTP id 14-v6so1128862ywe.2 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:21:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oFg+IRJOJtIT6M9QKHdP74PsUgVpwzsYuRTWUxaWkKU=; b=ubkB88Vbn761soCyic3D2HgjC+nI6Q8wYj5Mc3hXtK1p2eq6IGmO4pE8Eux06W1RPP hLerlpNjzpAVHlTUMRYohjeCUQNkcmpDJEsY0/BVB/pCl45SBgU/T7AwSiMYz8Z5FTDv aviK+kN4wQaLDV1Njn25q3B218BYChEpGxu8KNpYgPonRZL8zG2QvyaVR/hC0QPOBLVb Y3iuxf0JZPR+h9A3RPvX10JWeSnRaJifky4revy+VUimO1Fi+PtKn+WCQ6gtE6b0SxUc vrVL/OmqqTQL5enDbUk1gL7nqWvgGZfz58+4xZe4q1S8RYVvy9xDDPY4l8BRLAmJKI7u lg8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oFg+IRJOJtIT6M9QKHdP74PsUgVpwzsYuRTWUxaWkKU=; b=Ac7QBDhdPQSbWofjG8S9JlkLVrYI/Bx5fiTGTgVChXD/1L6F5sVfOrtrRKa1HFjI1n OQwDh9W+kl4aa+imCUO3Z2YwkqXZz3H0Q0d3HjVSczDImIK9iL/J6BzmGbxvVHC2KHj0 RKcRhdYpHQlWYdLU03PIk1H3/8seLL3XCNNJw/1lHZQLWUc5l6z/y3N1J7PFDgctQP4U 5zW+WDbBx4nZawVzVH2CpPA2fccPTnKgyXJ0RuV023T7KckDqNvFI/Wg/IRplzWdHjvD rdP8cEv8OorSbHe+NueF0MlmUPRHs0N6eu7UV4it+2xr/GGMs09VDLuwTfCNkfyCx/rw KgCA== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DHcJzpRovLQOdCr6646YrAp7wk0bKV4HhSqcN0JVoqjUKKAIma aZM+WaZvwTwYWkpA4KtEJNpVzYn7tub+uSAtE4EZPwK7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZ35wJ+21OTKKGyjU/6qdD7y57yWxnd9hzEbz9tA6n5sf3GhfABW6M7LYVhJEh6K5uUznmeZBZGrZdg8hpqb/0= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:df93:: with SMTP id i141-v6mr3313249ywe.349.1536844905232; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:21:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:9003:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: William Dudley Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:21:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: sudo,pkg,Mailman all broken after upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2 To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:21:47 -0000 The fun never stops, eh? I just completed an upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2, using freebsd-update. sudo ls sudo: error in /usr/local/etc/sudo.conf, line 0 while loading plugin "sudoers_policy" sudo: unable to load /usr/local/libexec/sudo/sudoers.so: Shared object "libpam.so.5" not found, required by "sudoers.so" sudo: fatal error, unable to load plugins alpine is broken, same error about libpam.so.5 missing. Mailman is broken: ERROR:root:code for hash md5 was not found. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in __get_builtin_constructor raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) ValueError: unsupported hash type md5 ERROR:root:code for hash sha1 was not found. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in __get_builtin_constructor raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) ValueError: unsupported hash type sha1 ERROR:root:code for hash sha224 was not found. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in __get_builtin_constructor raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) ValueError: unsupported hash type sha224 ERROR:root:code for hash sha256 was not found. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in __get_builtin_constructor raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) ValueError: unsupported hash type sha256 ERROR:root:code for hash sha384 was not found. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in __get_builtin_constructor raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) ValueError: unsupported hash type sha384 ERROR:root:code for hash sha512 was not found. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in __get_builtin_constructor raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) ValueError: unsupported hash type sha512 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 73, in from Mailman import Utils File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 61, in md5_new = hashlib.md5 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'md5' pkg is broken: pkg upgrade Shared object "libssl.so.7" not found, required by "pkg" I can see source for that file here: /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libssl/libssl.so.7 /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libssl.so.7 But I don't (off hand) know how to build it. Probably lots of other stuff is broken that I haven't found yet. This is extremely disappointing. I have done freebsd-update fetch/install after the upgrade. I can't run pkg, as it's broken. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Bill Dudley From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 13:29:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EF3108DD06 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw1-xc2c.google.com (mail-yw1-xc2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA33B70BDA for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:29:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw1-xc2c.google.com with SMTP id x83-v6so1138211ywd.4 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:29:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/8GMwyWE/B7dpANgP9Nksaa/C1wvKVFAr0aq2K6TUZk=; b=nxJ2MEGtVpOPMEbWL+K22572sG7E3UGp7n5cj08yK2k56o6UudiRISnpwim6uYMfEZ 48ctW/IZ5dBoUeOPbgk5un4Yxh8JN8eVH5chbWRiid12D/Kcu8KxNRox7aKPm2/VY/YT R/DzbX4PfSSkXwhOEQMc+kqmAZi/xRN0topBCHLpslXIgqYYfLR7Ir9jC5bgeCHQNrUz ar8A9w16PjiCcJdM2mNuGK/Raus4MACeYuCtmjBw5SDAPTTjNdV+DP2Tln2sfkQo1W0q MzDqD4XGWQduMGt1c6bMQDzy5W2QEQADYs+nd7oU2pu6QQ0vpdRFCPDejjUG4PHZhZjq 6yXg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=/8GMwyWE/B7dpANgP9Nksaa/C1wvKVFAr0aq2K6TUZk=; b=IyDl1K1hDExRAIC3u7im5eSW4lutPGuB34xXjHaLx9boRhc/labyw1tUvKMeGw78aG lm9h+FLP4FP+WexfiuyJQedK5G4kTz8IIu1gV06q7r9SyMMmk6sn4Pv7/0JKfbmdpSY2 k9Oc9ojc/TE7nYI/YwU3sn/sfJ7JlD7q/JAm/wjGWWBXCWYIYrmhil/0bZP4tEtCvvCA PL83ro+fXE3tYkIYcYRfOks1IkRmfsSWl24E//eGnOoQy15xKQcqC3+Rwm1RNoXrWvcb 9v2nvBtksIClhHGXfuZJubYTEyhbS03d/6ZiNxSZ7KlGfRLX56W4ZAG2bXbDnW7C6eqG Xqsg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DJ5VwBJjj7PhOEpdWhJvP/X5pL3tq0gI+c0LkbVPEFE4SLA0Wi jYDZytyID/4CYsGOyP85cLC4/UfxMgcc+Nca+KZEZA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYOFeSYA210ZabzT8gwsKen5o0mRMzYdiFzxrOMXz/yp9M+DPJw7tlg1twiOO3srbF/b8V8LGvtnS3PWhLpdhg= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:d849:: with SMTP id a70-v6mr3535835ywe.506.1536845341108; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:29:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:9003:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 06:29:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: William Dudley Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:29:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: sudo,pkg,Mailman all broken after upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2 To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:29:02 -0000 replying to my own questions. The upgrade directions didn't state that I had to run pkg-static to upgrade pkg, and then do pkg upgrade. They just said "rebuild ports", of which I have none. So some googling revealed the missing instructions, and I am running pkg upgrade as I write this. Here, so the answers will be found by a search, is the missing documentation: After the final freebsd-update install and reboot, do this: pkg-static -f install pkg pkg upgrade (or possibly "pkg -f upgrade") Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, William Dudley wrote: > The fun never stops, eh? > > I just completed an upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2, using freebsd-update. > > sudo ls > sudo: error in /usr/local/etc/sudo.conf, line 0 while loading plugin > "sudoers_policy" > sudo: unable to load /usr/local/libexec/sudo/sudoers.so: Shared object > "libpam.so.5" not found, required by "sudoers.so" > sudo: fatal error, unable to load plugins > > alpine is broken, same error about libpam.so.5 missing. > > Mailman is broken: > > ERROR:root:code for hash md5 was not found. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in > globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in > __get_builtin_constructor > raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) > ValueError: unsupported hash type md5 > ERROR:root:code for hash sha1 was not found. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in > globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in > __get_builtin_constructor > raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) > ValueError: unsupported hash type sha1 > ERROR:root:code for hash sha224 was not found. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in > globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in > __get_builtin_constructor > raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) > ValueError: unsupported hash type sha224 > ERROR:root:code for hash sha256 was not found. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in > globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in > __get_builtin_constructor > raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) > ValueError: unsupported hash type sha256 > ERROR:root:code for hash sha384 was not found. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in > globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in > __get_builtin_constructor > raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) > ValueError: unsupported hash type sha384 > ERROR:root:code for hash sha512 was not found. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in > globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in > __get_builtin_constructor > raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) > ValueError: unsupported hash type sha512 > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 73, in > from Mailman import Utils > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 61, in > md5_new = hashlib.md5 > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'md5' > > pkg is broken: > > pkg upgrade > Shared object "libssl.so.7" not found, required by "pkg" > > I can see source for that file here: > > /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libssl/libssl.so.7 > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libssl.so.7 > > But I don't (off hand) know how to build it. > > Probably lots of other stuff is broken that I haven't found yet. > This is extremely disappointing. > > I have done freebsd-update fetch/install after the upgrade. > > I can't run pkg, as it's broken. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Bill Dudley > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 14:20:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223FF108F3D9 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:20:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92E773080 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EF6718057 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:20:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: sudo,pkg,Mailman all broken after upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <7365c102-a840-f75a-6563-aefc7c9d14d2@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:20:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:20:48 -0000 On 9/13/18 8:29 AM, William Dudley wrote: > replying to my own questions. > > The upgrade directions didn't state that I had to run pkg-static to upgrade > pkg, > and then do pkg upgrade. They just said "rebuild ports", of which I have > none. > > So some googling revealed the missing instructions, and I am running pkg > upgrade > as I write this. > > Here, so the answers will be found by a search, is the missing > documentation: > > After the final freebsd-update install and reboot, do this: > > pkg-static -f install pkg > pkg upgrade (or possibly "pkg -f upgrade") no possibly, but definitely pkg -f upgrade Going minor version up like 11.1 --> 11.2 -f not necessarily needed, but going major version up like 10.4 --> 11.2 you do need to re-install all packages. Just my $0.02 Valeri > > Bill Dudley > > > This email is free of malware because I run Linux. > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:21 AM, William Dudley wrote: > >> The fun never stops, eh? >> >> I just completed an upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2, using freebsd-update. >> >> sudo ls >> sudo: error in /usr/local/etc/sudo.conf, line 0 while loading plugin >> "sudoers_policy" >> sudo: unable to load /usr/local/libexec/sudo/sudoers.so: Shared object >> "libpam.so.5" not found, required by "sudoers.so" >> sudo: fatal error, unable to load plugins >> >> alpine is broken, same error about libpam.so.5 missing. >> >> Mailman is broken: >> >> ERROR:root:code for hash md5 was not found. >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in >> globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in >> __get_builtin_constructor >> raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) >> ValueError: unsupported hash type md5 >> ERROR:root:code for hash sha1 was not found. >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in >> globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in >> __get_builtin_constructor >> raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) >> ValueError: unsupported hash type sha1 >> ERROR:root:code for hash sha224 was not found. >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in >> globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in >> __get_builtin_constructor >> raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) >> ValueError: unsupported hash type sha224 >> ERROR:root:code for hash sha256 was not found. >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in >> globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in >> __get_builtin_constructor >> raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) >> ValueError: unsupported hash type sha256 >> ERROR:root:code for hash sha384 was not found. >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in >> globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in >> __get_builtin_constructor >> raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) >> ValueError: unsupported hash type sha384 >> ERROR:root:code for hash sha512 was not found. >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 147, in >> globals()[__func_name] = __get_hash(__func_name) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/hashlib.py", line 97, in >> __get_builtin_constructor >> raise ValueError('unsupported hash type ' + name) >> ValueError: unsupported hash type sha512 >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 73, in >> from Mailman import Utils >> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 61, in >> md5_new = hashlib.md5 >> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'md5' >> >> pkg is broken: >> >> pkg upgrade >> Shared object "libssl.so.7" not found, required by "pkg" >> >> I can see source for that file here: >> >> /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libssl/libssl.so.7 >> /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/lib/libssl.so.7 >> >> But I don't (off hand) know how to build it. >> >> Probably lots of other stuff is broken that I haven't found yet. >> This is extremely disappointing. >> >> I have done freebsd-update fetch/install after the upgrade. >> >> I can't run pkg, as it's broken. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions? 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[2a02:390:7e52::10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 69-v6sm4892754wmb.27.2018.09.13.08.33.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:33:44 +0100 From: Matt Smith To: William Dudley Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: sudo,pkg,Mailman all broken after upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2 Message-ID: <20180913153344.GA50367@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: Matt Smith , William Dudley , freebsd-questions References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:33:49 -0000 On Sep 13 09:29, William Dudley wrote: >replying to my own questions. > >The upgrade directions didn't state that I had to run pkg-static to upgrade >pkg, >and then do pkg upgrade. They just said "rebuild ports", of which I have >none. > >So some googling revealed the missing instructions, and I am running pkg >upgrade >as I write this. > >Here, so the answers will be found by a search, is the missing >documentation: > >After the final freebsd-update install and reboot, do this: > >pkg-static -f install pkg >pkg upgrade (or possibly "pkg -f upgrade") > This is the problem. You run freebsd-update three times. The final time deletes the old shared libraries and binaries that were on the old system and are no longer on the new system. What you should do is run it twice, then run pkg upgrade to reinstall all the packages, and then run it the final time. The workaround if you do what you did is to use pkg-static instead, so it's good that you found this out. But I agree it should be mentioned in the upgrade instructions. This happens quite often. -- Matt From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 19:37:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32761097340 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:37:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb35.google.com (mail-yb1-xb35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7627F7FA84 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:37:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb35.google.com with SMTP id k5-v6so3768360ybo.10 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:37:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=9Lp3lvda9Ujpf4pNylvPJaTs4XI9OPiPFbzfKWCfyeE=; b=t0TFTWx8W8kIFgZnp2Tf4yWfX3ZHCgCzaJ4RNL9aAlHqB+l2WkmPOxwugDsHnbVVZQ ch8lmiMomJy5nglRRr0aH4Sx3oKVJumjCCs9mbIqMGXm97wMmgSC4vOIh6ZhPO/H3qrE fhZnMra+59R+IxzL7G2xTBr3J/oD/FuIb/FmnNRjCI0TjdYPq9HTeX8gVmq0wTB+AP7A x3cxOx60cMk8ixLcZQMQbfypcuW55RiGMDqcUCkfNd/Hg/R3n6bAIOCU19lWZh5Vl66V lzIscJOwfyRdJA6xvsTiIs1s1bkJMhXzNVMuwqX9cIjxuJ2LNWju0693CbRtJOCPiP5t mmPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=9Lp3lvda9Ujpf4pNylvPJaTs4XI9OPiPFbzfKWCfyeE=; b=ugvyH0H6CjI/NRsK6w+RjTPMpVtkQ1cHV3O2dYWMwUzVuvAJ0ndGBihOT55RrGRdXK DY5zVdRxzPMOzk/3c8S2MOVyiwg5IN0DFWUFA/ym1M6Yy89SEwVS54B7mK3X/At2m5l/ 060yvitN3H/ni9nGf/5S4RE9OISdW3Cq3roUjrhQ1Usf9oy+n8dGxPU8ZBkrl87aUY+D cIiMSI6djOFkMrKMbbse+xzTKof8NGoPk9KXcE4ruHp+djRv0HwGz1JJGfmdwnQ8QmZ0 i6vLyht/NeStAhhOJG7gsqVT7W08c7X2ZxjT5apABja/UHTLuMlfTL38OQVRZGkie06D tKdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DhnNgp+gq2SZS3gg1Wop1Jph1MoJILz+8HGVVeBEIr0lzfMV1d OJ82m7WxvhIbHFlkoOKB4FhSLKAc7VG/CHUxSyU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZFYebhq9LZpPF1/PxYKSDegKi/9CxJdthGjHHSm1p+/EZ6fZ4Rzj1cGAlJMKswHo5nEJupyCP0hwOapyBSnzI= X-Received: by 2002:a25:fc0a:: with SMTP id v10-v6mr4355555ybd.365.1536867432754; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:37:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:9003:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 12:37:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180913153344.GA50367@gmail.com> References: <20180913153344.GA50367@gmail.com> From: William Dudley Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:37:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: sudo,pkg,Mailman all broken after upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2 To: Matt Smith , William Dudley , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:37:14 -0000 Is there a way to file a bug report against the upgrade instructions to fix this? It should say: run pkg -f upgrade and possibly rebuild all your ports if pkg fails to run, use: pkg-static -f install pkg pkg -f upgrade Right now, it fails entirely to mention pkg, and it also doesn't mention that pkg may break and you need to use pkg-static. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 11:33 AM, Matt Smith wrote: > On Sep 13 09:29, William Dudley wrote: > >> replying to my own questions. >> >> The upgrade directions didn't state that I had to run pkg-static to >> upgrade >> pkg, >> and then do pkg upgrade. They just said "rebuild ports", of which I have >> none. >> >> So some googling revealed the missing instructions, and I am running pkg >> upgrade >> as I write this. >> >> Here, so the answers will be found by a search, is the missing >> documentation: >> >> After the final freebsd-update install and reboot, do this: >> >> pkg-static -f install pkg >> pkg upgrade (or possibly "pkg -f upgrade") >> >> > This is the problem. You run freebsd-update three times. The final time > deletes the old shared libraries and binaries that were on the old system > and are no longer on the new system. > > What you should do is run it twice, then run pkg upgrade to reinstall all > the packages, and then run it the final time. > > The workaround if you do what you did is to use pkg-static instead, so > it's good that you found this out. But I agree it should be mentioned in > the upgrade instructions. This happens quite often. > > -- > Matt > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 19:51:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A4910979EA for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAA5801DF for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from sas1.nber.org (sas1.nber.org [198.71.6.89]) by mail2.nber.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w8DJVd5w065112 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:31:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:31:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Gnome and Firefox, lockd and NFS Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LRH 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-KLMS-Rule-ID: 1 X-KLMS-Message-Action: clean X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Status: not scanned, disabled by settings X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Interceptor-Info: not scanned X-KLMS-AntiPhishing: Clean, 2018/09/11 07:55:10 X-KLMS-AntiVirus: Kaspersky Security 8.0 for Linux Mail Server, version 8.0.1.721, bases: 2018/09/13 14:02:00 #8529531 X-KLMS-AntiVirus-Status: Clean, skipped X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:51:50 -0000 We are using the NFS server on FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p7 to serve home directories to Linux SL7 (same as Centos7 and RH7) clients via NFSv3. While this worked fine with SL6, we find that starting Firefox, Gnome or Mate causes the client to hang with the message: nfs server XXX not responding, still trying and (for example) ~/.mozilla/firefox/XXX/.nfs00000000000XXXXXXXXX file stuck If one tries to remove the lock, the client responds: Cannot remove, Device or resource busy Furthermore, the server quickly stops serving *all* other clients also. If we kill the client process, then the server recovers after a few minutes. Our workaround has been to move the directories .local, .config and .dbus in the home directory to an NFS partition that is mounting without locking, but this seems inadequate as a permanent solution. Since the FreeBSD server stops responding to other clients, it seems it must be a FreeBSD problem. Even if the Linux client (systemd?) is making an improper request, it is inappropriate for FreeBSD to hang in response. We also see this same result with Truenas and FreeNAS fileservers (which are based on FreeBSD) but see https://redmine.ixsystems.com/issues/927 for another report related to earlier clients. A Linux NFS server does not display this problem. Daniel Feenberg National Bureau of Economic Research From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 21:04:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B1A10995B5 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:04:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from makketronics@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com (mail-lf1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDB2382D4B for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:04:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from makketronics@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id c29-v6so6042402lfj.1 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:04:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8RZZn1yC4iNJXCUoYzm1cgmS4qe3Z3ywMqCD0G5NodI=; b=RKcmWLiJfXEecplm3v6mRAK1tSsipI2vil9ODTyLdfhcTezBJsb4Z3Eh0v5s8rfD/K dp+x+3I59JBrFIauwwpmXq9YIsjRZooVGHXD/1/HVhkFuZ3PfRA0874vSxR4HAXkwsvi cEPEgq47BUxkxSic08bcR5eNSrb+NAy1b1lLmXW59KDfg87y+qTXqZz4MZgnBRa7gePB 88hDCX6aYH/TleyvWybAVY3lj9naK+7HCNC5kNBi+CJXXo8Ahu2mbsTPgyYoelEwvhRg oRIuWVec7pn5yMXrZFGnfQ7Eoj22TZ9oww4VcTCmbEp+yCs4yJjpe8SQOGTEooGhvJYw k90g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8RZZn1yC4iNJXCUoYzm1cgmS4qe3Z3ywMqCD0G5NodI=; b=n2dCwA8aaTKi33NzASB+2FBtvH1aiM52ntIMHI7EPQ7rq5q28P1rQoO3MrNrYM5AKc YimBv47gwEHPEjDdf86YDxQY0oKa1xvnDam4JBVqlBcnw16kSpLLRsyAoChqQKen3JVF xOpiAKy+kOqPsgkTos6EgtI4HwRJ5iKt3sYHfADAwIaSZ3MJPUFYo7seJG0DniqBCVA1 kech9atwLImnCqODF8cEBXxOY9evyN1qVvKYsGYnU2nebwUQMBKNHuGnTOLs3Uh/d/49 GtuuVCwltD5BRNQM/59DXh0U2BKMoXBaVyQGxxa7feyc1CkL3HGgCdFVytnyoB5Z8TQ9 jYuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BCIjJcBCrvyoFR4aZlYtURWqPWP1h3/wyaJu/4G5huHcfhI68W HK9U/4xYqGZJhxsDMIM6WqI/GmHI4r2m0uG7axigKw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZU+CzwmAsvhx+/VHMu/YYjscSlk8VXMSVI/u9/ruQDYY8cRTndjrvSMQD3zILKy27XJRgRPk9uiVchwUwmERc= X-Received: by 2002:a19:d38b:: with SMTP id k133-v6mr6037701lfg.43.1536872681506; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6082af1c-1ea4-7180-9621-cc539e8131b2@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: <6082af1c-1ea4-7180-9621-cc539e8131b2@ShaneWare.Biz> From: Makketron Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:04:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [OT] Is the IT Crowd re-inventing Unix with Virtualization, Docker and Microservices? To: Shane Ambler Cc: Alejandro Imass , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:04:44 -0000 This is exactly why people get puzzled when they see a person in the team making a solution over a weekend, with no cost, instead of weeks. The irony is, they consider it a temporary solution, a hack so to speak, until fancier tools are used. Even funnier, when the switch happens, the tools tend to have higher downtime than a simple UNIX solution. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 12:16 AM Shane Ambler wrote: > On 12/9/18 4:40 am, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I guess it's time for another food for thought email of like-minded > > FreeBSDers, as I am coming to a new conclusion about this whole > enterprise > > crap world of which I am so evermore fed up of... > > > > Oh yeah, that's right, high-level guys are too expensive? really? > compared > > to what? to the dozens and dozens of mediocre "coders", "devops", > > "techops"and whatever other "ops". Yeah, we are way more expensive but we > > are 50:1, maybe 100:1 compared the median in the "enterprise" side of > > things. > > Good tech guys who know what to do don't use enough new fancy tech. It's > all about the buzzwords, the more your product uses the more money you > get to build it. The more layers, the more complex, the more people dumb > CEOs need to pay to setup and maintain it, but it has to be using the > newest, flashiest tech. If you have used the stuff before you need to go > and make a new one or two for the next project. One good guy can't > support an enterprise, it needs to be a group of dimwits that band > together and cover each others f*ups to support an enterprise. > > I recall the Y2K bug, a well known telco employed about 80 people to > walk around to every desktop computer and manually run some script off a > server that checked installed programs and updated each one. > > Well this telco has software installed on every desktop that allowed one > person to access every machine in the country, show reports of software > and versions installed, install, update or remotely control the GUI > desktop. The team I was on completed our two months work the first week, > so we got to use this to manually do the stupid steps on machines in > other states, after someone there had walked around to turn machines on. > > It was all about one guy coming up with something that sounded complex > enough that the CEO can't understand but had enough buzzwords and parts > that it must be the solution to this dreaded Y2K problem. > > > -- > FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing > > Shane Ambler > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 21:07:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C84109969E for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:07:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lebarondemerde@privacychain.ch) Received: from forward103o.mail.yandex.net (forward103o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::606]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDDE182E0D for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lebarondemerde@privacychain.ch) Received: from mxback9j.mail.yandex.net (mxback9j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::112]) by forward103o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 1CCC15883A66 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:06:54 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp4p.mail.yandex.net (smtp4p.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1402::15:6]) by mxback9j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id HdCRRdFjnq-6r04n7xt; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:06:54 +0300 Received: by smtp4p.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id dwBKNwHpnU-6oKuXoC3; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:06:51 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 18:06:46 -0300 From: Alexandre =?utf-8?Q?C=2E_Guimar=C3=A3es?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Solaris Doors IPC Implementation Message-ID: <20180913210646.vgbaoyornms6xplc@privacychain.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:07:05 -0000 Hi. Reading the FreeBSD IdeasPage I see the desire to have the 'Solaris Doors IPC' implemented on FreeBSD. Due to curiosity, what are the advantages of the Solaris IPC over Mach? I mean Mach was already implement in NextBSD. Thanks. -- Best regards./lebarondemerde From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 21:17:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1131099C6A for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:17:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2FA835D3 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:17:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0512E718047 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:17:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [OT] Is the IT Crowd re-inventing Unix with Virtualization, Docker and Microservices? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6082af1c-1ea4-7180-9621-cc539e8131b2@ShaneWare.Biz> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:17:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:17:21 -0000 On 9/13/18 4:04 PM, Makketron wrote: > This is exactly why people get puzzled when they see a person in the team > making a solution over a weekend, with no cost, instead of weeks. > > The irony is, they consider it a temporary solution, a hack so to speak, > until fancier tools are used. > > Even funnier, when the switch happens, the tools tend to have higher > downtime than a simple UNIX solution. > The whole new dominant way of doing IT sucks. And despite of that I still have my job. I converted it from my usual: all systems suck, and thanks to that I have my job. Valeri > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 12:16 AM Shane Ambler wrote: > >> On 12/9/18 4:40 am, Alejandro Imass wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I guess it's time for another food for thought email of like-minded >>> FreeBSDers, as I am coming to a new conclusion about this whole >> enterprise >>> crap world of which I am so evermore fed up of... >>> >>> Oh yeah, that's right, high-level guys are too expensive? really? >> compared >>> to what? to the dozens and dozens of mediocre "coders", "devops", >>> "techops"and whatever other "ops". Yeah, we are way more expensive but we >>> are 50:1, maybe 100:1 compared the median in the "enterprise" side of >>> things. >> >> Good tech guys who know what to do don't use enough new fancy tech. It's >> all about the buzzwords, the more your product uses the more money you >> get to build it. The more layers, the more complex, the more people dumb >> CEOs need to pay to setup and maintain it, but it has to be using the >> newest, flashiest tech. If you have used the stuff before you need to go >> and make a new one or two for the next project. One good guy can't >> support an enterprise, it needs to be a group of dimwits that band >> together and cover each others f*ups to support an enterprise. >> >> I recall the Y2K bug, a well known telco employed about 80 people to >> walk around to every desktop computer and manually run some script off a >> server that checked installed programs and updated each one. >> >> Well this telco has software installed on every desktop that allowed one >> person to access every machine in the country, show reports of software >> and versions installed, install, update or remotely control the GUI >> desktop. The team I was on completed our two months work the first week, >> so we got to use this to manually do the stupid steps on machines in >> other states, after someone there had walked around to turn machines on. >> >> It was all about one guy coming up with something that sounded complex >> enough that the CEO can't understand but had enough buzzwords and parts >> that it must be the solution to this dreaded Y2K problem. >> >> >> -- >> FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing >> >> Shane Ambler >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 21:29:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38E2109A3CF for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@mailman-hosting.com) Received: from maurice.jlkmail.com (maurice.jlkmail.com [IPv6:2606:c700:1:30::23:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64CF08407A for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@mailman-hosting.com) Received: from maurice.jlkmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maurice.jlkmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165F724C0481 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Authentication-Results: maurice.jlkmail.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=mailman-hosting.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d= mailman-hosting.com; h=user-agent:message-id:references :in-reply-to:subject:subject:to:from:from:date:date :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type :mime-version; s=dkim; t=1536874149; x=1537738150; bh=l7opdbvKje I/KmXZsI5O7ud99O35u5Y99TBs6U7UcH4=; b=RalQV2Tm4uRTCq/eWHSjGSI4LM PT4f4C5/2/lwT+954LKstiCc9nF89+LKEVRb1B+Yc+38RWRMMXQrGOMUnM64DJj7 YSPZzeXS3VOCl9+gjSKARJ2c8Sfjvw91uWUccF8/CKREhSg6BQjDiZX+utDtYG34 Ny1kkQbOmvgCsllPE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at maurice.jlkmail.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.213 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.213 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, TVD_RCVD_SINGLE=1.213] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from maurice.jlkmail.com ([127.0.0.1]) by maurice.jlkmail.com (maurice.jlkmail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 8lPjflu1Ff7I for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from _ (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maurice.jlkmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 054C124C00AA; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:29:09 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:29:08 -0400 From: jim@mailman-hosting.com To: Matt Smith , William Dudley Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: sudo,pkg,Mailman all broken after upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2 In-Reply-To: <20180913153344.GA50367@gmail.com> References: <20180913153344.GA50367@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ad541c0eb960ab8bf970f8461fef4fb@mailman-hosting.com> X-Sender: jim@mailman-hosting.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:29:19 -0000 On 2018-09-13 11:33, Matt Smith wrote: > On Sep 13 09:29, William Dudley wrote: >> replying to my own questions. >> >> The upgrade directions didn't state that I had to run pkg-static to >> upgrade >> pkg, >> and then do pkg upgrade. They just said "rebuild ports", of which I >> have >> none. >> >> So some googling revealed the missing instructions, and I am running >> pkg >> upgrade >> as I write this. >> >> Here, so the answers will be found by a search, is the missing >> documentation: >> >> After the final freebsd-update install and reboot, do this: >> >> pkg-static -f install pkg >> pkg upgrade (or possibly "pkg -f upgrade") >> > > This is the problem. You run freebsd-update three times. The final > time deletes the old shared libraries and binaries that were on the > old system and are no longer on the new system. > > What you should do is run it twice, then run pkg upgrade to reinstall > all the packages, and then run it the final time. > > The workaround if you do what you did is to use pkg-static instead, so > it's good that you found this out. But I agree it should be mentioned > in the upgrade instructions. This happens quite often. This is in the handbook at https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html in 23.2.3.2. "Upgrading Packages After a Major Version Upgrade". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 21:52:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93070109AF36 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb29.google.com (mail-yb1-xb29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A116854A8 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb29.google.com with SMTP id h22-v6so3927870ybg.12 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:52:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pshVHodwNAIcl5FbOlf+8SbGXqglR2srUvUSytkNjlI=; b=X34EBN44YW/rUPTCuXBlAAXBs9+uI6rmdRPRj80Yh4tRl5LpqtW897FEYzcPutN9kb zDKONY3sG2liafZkHnXJuxn24d/o0N9zunV1t/5kfky1vKuy4DKGqMXaept5DGOO2IVl uSDYI1Gx4PvOyZ9cFhB9WYE14eSW7TDJzqrcUA1uqpIL4F/RPJumyb8O0MGkj6dgjfnt gC/2FvaU0JHQUqKPaF/fyd0cOxZ0Ci363awPZkBAPfGGSmB5/rWMIx9LgAmsJUYA4fM8 mJkq1bbch8XnD9jbNqV4v0VuD7QLqzEgHoLTYGuWkaCmQssTLiVkBSViMuHhgvoLnVo4 B7hg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=pshVHodwNAIcl5FbOlf+8SbGXqglR2srUvUSytkNjlI=; b=JtOi4KXnkjtesNGlzV1IVG93NgbbDzdk6/P6Y7FA0Tc3SHUj3u0PtGhhSigw0iO/i4 3Di8PL5sYA6fDDMvu6k+fMc4wjQHQaHqRZiHh1egc9bAjnmX7JiYb0OaUYuCDN30zsBz csnpuO3ffRcp9MJbIGIvO76OH1IHD/IfNDLiunziTB2+9hCgF838aspa9kO2TayFJxUv 7lCw0dBVY57VkCUSXu/lnm1K28exZdMAczTxktQznroQh74j4pM/1CuefKo9AVBJ84rc cpBMmVEVBFTolrWgkbSLh26JtHnTHgwfujvAdsJbiG5/yIkszbCyGm4aOlTDdM+vIMuj 2rWw== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51AI8xarnxOxWK7iLWqs6ijT6K3ErlcCF63OosLxaSCSgu/Wn/5G bdwrNJkYXRFEI6zMgRjJG+3T5ieMOmVSzcps+1w8mo6f X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0Vda8s6CLnDMbM81PpztV8XjX8jthWJPnVDwNBi6r/m3yy8Mog/bdRm8tjKB6GnUzgRmxpJousyTBewNG2DgM8YY= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:c41:: with SMTP id d1-v6mr4449326ybr.136.1536875571760; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:52:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:9003:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:52:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1ad541c0eb960ab8bf970f8461fef4fb@mailman-hosting.com> References: <20180913153344.GA50367@gmail.com> <1ad541c0eb960ab8bf970f8461fef4fb@mailman-hosting.com> From: William Dudley Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:52:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: sudo,pkg,Mailman all broken after upgrade from 10.3 to 11.2 To: Jim Ohlstein , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:52:54 -0000 Yes, it does. I read this: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/11.2R/installation.html which doesn't tell the whole story, or else it should say "make sure you read the page in the handbook". I think it should. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:29 PM, wrote: > On 2018-09-13 11:33, Matt Smith wrote: > >> On Sep 13 09:29, William Dudley wrote: >> >>> replying to my own questions. >>> >>> The upgrade directions didn't state that I had to run pkg-static to >>> upgrade >>> pkg, >>> and then do pkg upgrade. They just said "rebuild ports", of which I have >>> none. >>> >>> So some googling revealed the missing instructions, and I am running pkg >>> upgrade >>> as I write this. >>> >>> Here, so the answers will be found by a search, is the missing >>> documentation: >>> >>> After the final freebsd-update install and reboot, do this: >>> >>> pkg-static -f install pkg >>> pkg upgrade (or possibly "pkg -f upgrade") >>> >>> >> This is the problem. You run freebsd-update three times. The final >> time deletes the old shared libraries and binaries that were on the >> old system and are no longer on the new system. >> >> What you should do is run it twice, then run pkg upgrade to reinstall >> all the packages, and then run it the final time. >> >> The workaround if you do what you did is to use pkg-static instead, so >> it's good that you found this out. But I agree it should be mentioned >> in the upgrade instructions. This happens quite often. >> > > This is in the handbook at https://www.freebsd.org/doc/ha > ndbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html in 23.2.3.2. "Upgrading > Packages After a Major Version Upgrade". > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 13 23:28:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CBB109D948 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 23:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@conundrum.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B7AA8B1CA for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 23:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@conundrum.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id x79-v6so3117986ita.1 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:28:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=conundrum-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=d47nLEJzkTA3fxTdlftwMakjJH5qX2fyrrTc2z92F+8=; b=Zys+aeZNCuQS8OfFXFuaXbpAVR7v1n6b/UAeuJQXmRzjwprTFQQvpImlQg9AfG1bfC eEe3qNy6ad/jyfTQmhS22w/ZYRKNVEQKNvIzAkpnaihFYjhCYFcuBLP6Ddhc5XkBDZt5 MYXD/uS0S7IEagFx82T2E8CFAScDkInyC7AdBoL+CWZsSfafnXHpVcApaguF5G56eZDV dptb2lgfb/rb1j1eIOhxYPCL7yDBSz4U+cn62fABZPIz1M1BTyoodZg6Jf2ZI1+q1qxy a6bBl+SNFdD9Laa0Ct0sQhQOo9R/ESE+F8NkflwVfR1d7ls26LBmb/eHPaWrVf+QGS42 E67A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=d47nLEJzkTA3fxTdlftwMakjJH5qX2fyrrTc2z92F+8=; b=McSgsjMOogyzd1eVRGMjMHmBTTQprN870jaTQxJupa4g4BUtYUnQktZcIe8u9hOHIP mgIhlguwVCXYXSapFn2J3qAG2ADuSBZZXsqGvoKYp3QJk+34rI5SyNMAnPAJ8KMKwZ0I zaSsrgjCRvdZePUrALdd3NyTOS0dKpoLhPjPrO5GicHfzKyWj79GXT9PmDRWVEBXnNpJ muKSxxxfqN1DBHvp/LlYWzGNNJOBn0+PJXHi2F0df4dX5IMsaTg8UwCLPn9ET69JKt0r +zJTrc/UeHYx4HmdHd5/5Q04pd5xtcLOo3FgsXvI44HsYjzQoSJS0tu1iYT47bJN6QO6 z5kA== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DoH/9zcuwZQPsQKppqqzTKo8esJnzZ+1w4fU04SjT0FmueFjSI 0/gmVymlbFP2FvgwoVuUpF3a1T5wIcXuyGQxDV7xs60qYeenUQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZ2vmta7BOLYii/sgNyMxyDo3iOtDJVn1eXHGC76ph5aa+ZoGUiRphaLdL8c/lPzKqTa1tQzArauzmtHRDAJr4= X-Received: by 2002:a24:7dd5:: with SMTP id b204-v6mr310447itc.96.1536881320179; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:28:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:650f:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:28:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Pounsett Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:28:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Issues replacing a failed disk in a zfs pool To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 23:28:42 -0000 A disk in one of my zfs pools failed a few weeks ago. I did a 'zpool replace' to bring in one of the spares in its place. After the resilvering I did a zpool offline on the old drive. This is my current zpool status (apologies for the wide paste): pool: pool5b state: DEGRADED status: One or more devices has been taken offline by the administrator. Sufficient replicas exist for the pool to continue functioning in a degraded state. action: Online the device using 'zpool online' or replace the device with 'zpool replace'. scan: resilvered 2.59T in 48h40m with 0 errors on Mon Aug 6 20:32:39 2018 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM pool5b DEGRADED 0 0 0 raidz2-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG6ZLMT ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native da10 ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG6ZVMT ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG728ET ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG6YGXT ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native raidz2-1 ONLINE 0 0 0 diskid/DISK-WD-WMC1F0D2VV96 ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG6ZV8T ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG6Z3ST ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG70E0T ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG6ZWUT ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native raidz2-2 DEGRADED 0 0 0 diskid/DISK-PN1334PBJPWU8S ONLINE 0 0 0 diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG6ZV2T ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG6ZWHT ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG7280T ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native spare-4 DEGRADED 0 0 0 5996713305860302307 OFFLINE 0 0 0 was /dev/diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG704VT da23 ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native raidz2-3 ONLINE 0 0 0 diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG704PT ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG6ZWAT ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG6ZZ0T ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG704ST ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG704WT ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native spares 12114494961187138794 INUSE was /dev/da23 da21 AVAIL I'm now at the data centre, and I expected here to do a 'zpool remove' on the old drive so that I can swap it for a new one. However, I'm being told I can't do that. % sudo zpool remove pool5b 5996713305860302307 cannot remove 5996713305860302307: only inactive hot spares, cache, top-level, or log devices can be removed I just tried bringing the disk back online, and zfs now says it's being resilvered. I assume it's going to take longer to complete than I'm going to be here, so the replacement will now probably have to wait for my next visit. I must have missed a step somewhere, but I've no idea what it was. What am I missing? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 00:13:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223A6109EA02 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@conundrum.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com (mail-io1-xd2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6BA98C8BF for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:13:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@conundrum.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id l14-v6so4647324iob.7 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:13:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=conundrum-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Or/nyGGHgoqi4QFc7oqKLMG3yN2w2Q1sg1SYnkp2kt0=; b=OAk1WqhpmgjC+56LpX3zZ48DGaqbmqGOGUlQwMWUpMwbcmD5mvbx+jn4qZ8w2Cwtf6 Sa8QPfcbnTODIGx4+N4N/vSs83jFHLyxO9ivHKLL5vYpgV4WnQCgmRwpoHp/VUg+jVi7 FvMnyBJt7NPDnnKqmhcxSid+s9CkfN2Ueb+KmvLaCkC3qQD+JPek9VaS6mbN7b6BbeEG RZNbwdw6va8spEDzYN1sVGpVsg5wn7LmRiWzlS1WKEeeqZhx7TrCsg0sxYWUpSBX/pvf /M0C3RUjnzYKuCQWg0Zsm+HnGcv0tutWwm6cG6Gsl/OfZVqW8y7FdzYyRO38jX9klrOi B5wg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Or/nyGGHgoqi4QFc7oqKLMG3yN2w2Q1sg1SYnkp2kt0=; b=q0a5hFuSRUft0mIZ6bSjjR+nCP17wI1h4zfr5O9cbw61P6aJjVSPOzXdbCB25ck7xm REM7MyLqFTVN70OYQuy5FIRVRlN7RpMyavLHRNuIf7lx89O2Zd+qX3XHqgpgMiuhLdcR NSAQNs7/oEizScKVHrHtWUrNpC/T1gKXvRjD8xvruhVq52CltojCGi4pr8Wel+9K646k C7fTEat9ND22oHlD2inTBJPk8rIVakLPfF+EyWAhde2zXmVQdf/TFOX3i6Sv4NPrFBkx fe8ItOek5Wu8zJnJW00Pby32/6R2OmxS4s7X+485EmiOYJ8Qe9ZDRgbIZXGReC7qA0E8 bGuw== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DHbXrxrcQDWGB3/9Dq5GDCnJ8v+9/s2uPfN61Mj4R8BurEF6lC kYuaMb99IgNoJwlTRXyraJZ1r6mvzvZfwSm3jsgMJmm3YEFGIA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYN09Wp3h5TYVC5/K5FEKcOMmYJuGaw6nI3Y1UM61xKtMOL2ojqJg1/8f1zuHyxWEPXV2gqfSnQaoLUP7Yo0FE= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:de0c:: with SMTP id v12-v6mr8648536iog.121.1536884027731; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:13:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:650f:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:13:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Matthew Pounsett Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:13:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Issues replacing a failed disk in a zfs pool To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:13:50 -0000 On 13 September 2018 at 16:28, Matthew Pounsett wrote: > I just tried bringing the disk back online, and zfs now says it's being > resilvered. I assume it's going to take longer to complete than I'm going > to be here, so the replacement will now probably have to wait for my next > visit. > > That went very quickly. That 'spare-4' replacement line now looks like this: spare-4 ONLINE 0 0 0 diskid/DISK-PK2331PAG704VT ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native da23 ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native I'm not sure what I'm meant to do here. da23 is a spare that was brought in to replace DISK-PK2331PAG704VT when it failed, but they now seem to be joined at the hip. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 07:40:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4066610A6789 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6FAE778CC for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03C221BF7 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web6 ([10.202.2.216]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:39:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=skunkwerks.at; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=IsZbQ/L/mcWDggy98fyxnf25byPqs Soj0fSo5BiWLj0=; b=qLsfCDn4r7FUqgEMC0sHW6bN+ERj4e7H828wJmxvQfdDn QZVp8n5rcQiK+doEGXUBrcYU7t6xsXiQX1SCGNKFckhiPKRsJIPFpClWIcvYEb6E HyIvAo3fRBvvEjqdtcYTFPHM8JxccOSNrl1Tfh6E/PEmY/vcUPtUOiq9wLlioXvN Gv5VT42ToQxLgW0dSbJA0quvTCJm62PHEALdeElWH3y4OtC3ntq5IA+MqAaLTkWA 92/zNgJvjyYHiE6p4PvX60Vi9l+Mf3+kiooCUiaMGu3aT7omyc6SHkiWzXqIq1XN 4nuTv+Cjes1Ia1HFu5rSjOO32O3gVmfgbyKz/g/6w== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=IsZbQ/ L/mcWDggy98fyxnf25byPqsSoj0fSo5BiWLj0=; b=EseR/yDaIOFfR/L97JSi7d 21gKQHwmIN8KiS//Ni7XpHTN8gcJnvsG9u6VKlUGjyxBv3ZB2RNe44BJhrKvhWax TiTJVZ19C89nXix03/F+cUjjYarch6VF6Ec9FB527NvcMUF+F7pAzTpdjPMMSUgS U69EvR1k4XEK5A++xAKKkas6VbD4Uxiv67PSq50i9U8dg74r02aKFGl4lXJgdGBw FK5znR2N6YEDnbPuS1zkmzeVTDhqPuGgWmBEJb2KfLGyk+b7zAGiC/wh/VWg//TE uMcPpLNYUJ+JE+YGx0dlueNvswCQY/mLPlQBJcVlFlir3Cj6BjGtcYMPHApi81wA == X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id AEB384164; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1536910798.329524.1507804736.2F76C06D@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Dave Cottlehuber To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-e556cd15 In-Reply-To: <20180912054340.1267C13295@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <20180912054340.1267C13295@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Errata Notice FreeBSD-EN-18:08.lazyfpu Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:39:58 +0200 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:40:01 -0000 On Wed, 12 Sep 2018, at 07:43, FreeBSD Errata Notices wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > ============================================================================= > FreeBSD-EN-18:08.lazyfpu Errata Notice > The FreeBSD Project > > Topic: LazyFPU remediation causes potential data corruption Data Corruption reads a bit like "Imminent SuperNova in Your Area".. I'm not really sure what it means for users & sysadmins. Given we've had the original lazyfpu patches out for 11.x for a few months[1]: - what might data corruption entail? - has this been observed in the wild? Many thanks for the efforts into making these patches available. Dave [1]: https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-18:07.lazyfpu.asc From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 09:01:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DA310A8489 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igorr@pochta-mx.canmos.ru) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2BBB7A0E2 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igorr@pochta-mx.canmos.ru) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99F22DBBBD2; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:02:37 +0300 (MSK) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2-pochta_20120910 (2011-06-06) on pochta.canmos.ru X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2-pochta_20120910 Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:02:37 +0300 (MSK) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:02:37 +0300 (MSK) From: "Igor V. Ruzanov" X-X-Sender: igorr@pochta.canmos.ru To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Alexandre_C=2E_Guimar=E3es?= cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Solaris Doors IPC Implementation In-Reply-To: <20180913210646.vgbaoyornms6xplc@privacychain.ch> Message-ID: References: <20180913210646.vgbaoyornms6xplc@privacychain.ch> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-GPG-PUBLIC-KEY: 1024D/F433BDD5 2009-06-17 Igor V. Ruzanov X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: 5030 C793 4238 FAFF 827F 0E99 FDCE 63DD F433 BDD5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:01:51 -0000 On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Alexandre C. Guimares wrote: |Hi. | |Reading the FreeBSD IdeasPage I see the desire to have the 'Solaris Doors IPC' |implemented on FreeBSD. | |Due to curiosity, what are the advantages of the Solaris IPC over Mach? I mean |Mach was already implement in NextBSD. These are different implementations. Mach ports use asynchronous communication model while the Solaris DOORS are being synchronous. There are different applications for these IPC models |Thanks. | |-- |Best regards./lebarondemerde |_______________________________________________ |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list |https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions |To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 13:29:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E34910837D3 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:29:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F16B81FE2 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from chameleon.friedrich.org ([74.132.25.214]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 0o7dgo0zlceP90o7fgSKeX; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:27:01 +0000 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: No Sound Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:26:57 -0400 Message-ID: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfEW5n9H8nzWm2JZofLNu/6MKTm926OP5632SpmiaUlPTZaVaPevkwk6uKJsO616DSzaRMau0kvHU9oVOTDmIOosya5ZfRHhxRBvmUbd+QiqwNV58H0Zh DD6/mKnNZoTcv3KJbwSUst4wa4uX0y1pZ0s1Oit6LyNFRWiwq11wCEriVhPBg7+wxwqm/moNuVoVyQ== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:29:50 -0000 I have a new HP Slimline Desktop 290-p0014 which features an Intel i7-8700. running FreeBSD Chameleon.friedrich.org 11.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE #2: Thu Sep 13 12:15:36 EDT 2018 root@Chameleon.friedrich.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ CHAMELEON amd64 with snd_hda devices: Installed devices: pcm0: (play/rec) pcm1: (play/rec) pcm2: (play) default No devices installed from userspace. I tried cdcontrol -f dev/cd0 play 1. I am using the handbook section 7.2.2, but I have no sound. How can I troubleshoot this? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 14:08:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04E110897F0 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E725834A2 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:08:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from chameleon.friedrich.org ([74.132.25.214]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 0olygmmQUizpF0om1gY8S3; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:08:41 +0000 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Sound Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:08:38 -0400 Message-ID: <8691314.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> In-Reply-To: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> References: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfEoAMrQvn9oqMP3xBDPi01Xhg1vJTQ4KMm7EtwB7KyJ9vjel0M/N+asvsqncEYcqoxWU/sIF3F7G1VTU3I3LFr7InmE3gmHmylBwyenDt10FprAjoVTp FbWLqufv3NN+84dG/LnyeAyl4AYao4vL+ZNWHYDRD0Lo40m0vt6VhU39SO21TZuq0ZJhleqIWgWa5Q== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:08:43 -0000 On Friday, 14 September 2018 09:26:57 EDT Steven Friedrich wrote: > I have a new HP Slimline Desktop 290-p0014 which features an Intel i7-8700. > running > FreeBSD Chameleon.friedrich.org 11.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE #2: Thu > Sep 13 12:15:36 EDT 2018 > root@Chameleon.friedrich.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ CHAMELEON amd64 > > with snd_hda devices: > Installed devices: > pcm0: (play/rec) > pcm1: (play/rec) > pcm2: (play) default > No devices installed from userspace. > I tried cdcontrol -f dev/cd0 play 1. > > I am using the handbook section 7.2.2, but I have no sound. > How can I troubleshoot this? lf /dev shows no pcm devices, or speaker, but does show mixer0, mixer1, mixer2, and dsp0.0, dsp1.0, and dsp2.0, and pass0, pass1, and pass2. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 14:15:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE381089C71 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:15:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFC85839A4 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:15:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:15:31 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: No Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> References: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.protonmail.ch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:15:45 -0000 > I have a new HP Slimline Desktop 290-p0014 which features an Intel i7-870= 0. > running > FreeBSD Chameleon.friedrich.org 11.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE #2: Thu= Sep > 13 12:15:36 EDT 2018 root@Chameleon.friedrich.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ > CHAMELEON amd64 > > with snd_hda devices: > Installed devices: > pcm0: (play/rec) > pcm1: (play/rec) > pcm2: (play) default > No devices installed from userspace. > I tried cdcontrol -f dev/cd0 play 1. I assume you wrote "/dev/cd0" instead of "dev/cd0" and that a cd is indeed inserted. Are you trying to listen to it from speakers of from headphones? Many times= , headphones are badly configured by default and need a little work from user= s. Do you hear sound with headphones detached? Output of "mixer" command could help. Lorenzo Salvadore. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 14:31:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C006108A0F7 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BE8184024 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:31:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from chameleon.friedrich.org ([74.132.25.214]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 0ozWgy1RuAx0y0ozZgLX07; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:22:41 +0000 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Sound Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:22:38 -0400 Message-ID: <39465553.F463k0L8Pm@chameleon.friedrich.org> In-Reply-To: <8691314.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> References: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> <8691314.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBp0rfPIyzL5joBQpw6Ra/74+cSZn+QOObGQEmLUIWgAf4QSL/3ehy2qy9FspbwtU3Qcek3S9/PyTo7/23G74Rqi5GWyyVYYsKJU46EIyNkZ5ri5VFXD msKOLeo2MPYkbFeKti89DERAmB3EtzEBjydGOqLogfiBbEM12SbkdS6Bb6hg+0IBrZUSKlsoontiag== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:31:20 -0000 On Friday, 14 September 2018 10:08:38 EDT Steven Friedrich wrote: > On Friday, 14 September 2018 09:26:57 EDT Steven Friedrich wrote: > > I have a new HP Slimline Desktop 290-p0014 which features an Intel > > i7-8700. > > running > > FreeBSD Chameleon.friedrich.org 11.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE #2: Thu > > Sep 13 12:15:36 EDT 2018 > > root@Chameleon.friedrich.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ CHAMELEON amd64 > > > > with snd_hda devices: > > Installed devices: > > pcm0: (play/rec) > > pcm1: (play/rec) > > pcm2: (play) default > > No devices installed from userspace. > > I tried cdcontrol -f dev/cd0 play 1. > > > > I am using the handbook section 7.2.2, but I have no sound. > > How can I troubleshoot this? > > lf /dev shows no pcm devices, or speaker, but does show mixer0, mixer1, > mixer2, and dsp0.0, dsp1.0, and dsp2.0, and pass0, pass1, and pass2. Also, no devices show up in KDE5 Phonon Audio and Video page of system settings. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 14:40:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3381D108A610 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C63C48469E for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from chameleon.friedrich.org ([74.132.25.214]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 0pGtgpaXwceP90pGvgSqQw; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:40:37 +0000 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Sound Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:40:34 -0400 Message-ID: <4665479.YNO7O01DYZ@chameleon.friedrich.org> In-Reply-To: <39465553.F463k0L8Pm@chameleon.friedrich.org> References: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> <8691314.RH3biPoPvx@chameleon.friedrich.org> <39465553.F463k0L8Pm@chameleon.friedrich.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCXiKaTKJ7GQTNW9906X8e8fSP8NuSMNOErPIaFHkWco4OMMhrI5IzvlLPCRTTPiTWpSlzhlXM6RYVyWp3emZBsbdCKjm5JO+XPFb17CQel7Eb03oO3v Dz96Se0fandxa3sAPhejoabuTmy1NCpWrs65gFI5qew1Uz013++7U34hzrZmLU07f7LUoCJM6pVnqA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:40:40 -0000 On Friday, 14 September 2018 10:22:38 EDT Steven Friedrich wrote: > On Friday, 14 September 2018 10:08:38 EDT Steven Friedrich wrote: > > On Friday, 14 September 2018 09:26:57 EDT Steven Friedrich wrote: > > > I have a new HP Slimline Desktop 290-p0014 which features an Intel > > > i7-8700. > > > running > > > FreeBSD Chameleon.friedrich.org 11.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE #2: > > > Thu > > > Sep 13 12:15:36 EDT 2018 > > > root@Chameleon.friedrich.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ CHAMELEON amd64 > > > > > > with snd_hda devices: > > > Installed devices: > > > pcm0: (play/rec) > > > pcm1: (play/rec) > > > pcm2: (play) default > > > No devices installed from userspace. > > > I tried cdcontrol -f dev/cd0 play 1. > > > > > > I am using the handbook section 7.2.2, but I have no sound. > > > How can I troubleshoot this? > > > > lf /dev shows no pcm devices, or speaker, but does show mixer0, mixer1, > > mixer2, and dsp0.0, dsp1.0, and dsp2.0, and pass0, pass1, and pass2. > > Also, no devices show up in KDE5 Phonon Audio and Video page of system > settings. Mixer vol is currently set to 85:85 Mixer pcm is currently set to 100:100 Mixer mic is currently set to 56:56 Mixer rec is currently set to 35:35 Mixer igain is currently set to 50:50 Mixer ogain is currently set to 100:100 Recording source: mic From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 14:48:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8B6108ABD6 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:48:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 44e83eab.AL8AABa6dNsAAcEdHMAAAEo91zIAAML8oQsAHvWaAAFMuwBbm8oU@bnc3.mailjet.com) Received: from o178.p8.mailjet.com (o178.p8.mailjet.com [87.253.233.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02E8784B83 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 44e83eab.AL8AABa6dNsAAcEdHMAAAEo91zIAAML8oQsAHvWaAAFMuwBbm8oU@bnc3.mailjet.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; d=bnc3.mailjet.com; i=sales=3Dlondonvintageguitars.com@bnc3.mailjet.com; s=mailjet; h=message-id:mime-version:from:to:subject:date:list-id:list-unsubscribe: precedence:x-csa-complaints:x-mj-mid:x-mj-smtpguid:x-report-abuse-to: content-type; bh=CmPPeFttokzcyhA9zv7jCUzLze3/3NollhxdC6BDR6Y=; b=X34UStw66JLVm22EbOAY9iS45oPYznAsNZE/3GY/qigDyf54afzKPtHih E0hGOry7jyHG6j+hiU9D97fMV6Xp9FV0oil1vM/Bq1LD5YlW/TOtmn/fGKBU W9w/MmPgrbtazU+Qje5m5WntoxCC1pvnmUac2UFUJXu8KFACqigBOQ= Message-Id: <44e83eab.AL8AABa6dNsAAcEdHMAAAEo91zIAAML8oQsAHvWaAAFMuwBbm8oU@mailjet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Denmark Street Guitars To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: COOL ARRIVALS - GET IN THERE FIRST! 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[[DELIVERY_INFO]] [[POSTAL_ADDRESS]]= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 14:53:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982E4108B0E2 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:53:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48BF585113 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:53:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1536936819; x=1539528819; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=aObwqEh+iA4xpi1eoSB2/4kTkuAm9jfrZO8rk1+3Uaw=; b=CWdreg1//B+qu0X+uq94JF6stTQLxUoVZDWsZGz56qdQczmAi0y1t3W01dC9+ECHUikWbu8rq4DtIDu1JNv4G1en3uLCf7MCyH7gmN6LhzADWeGrpkpGdneoAWNacGhWMwGgeLivRAzrhhZ+1ei1EJiN0IKobA43YH64683KutI= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xOWIwMDAwMDAzNTU1NDkuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.12]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:53:20 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:53:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1g0pTD-0002YY-JN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:53:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:53:17 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Sound Message-Id: <20180914155317.dd06a1f5a892884cfece20b5@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> References: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:53:39 -0000 On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:26:57 -0400 Steven Friedrich wrote: > I have a new HP Slimline Desktop 290-p0014 which features an Intel > i7-8700. running > FreeBSD Chameleon.friedrich.org 11.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE #2: Thu > Sep 13 12:15:36 EDT 2018 > root@Chameleon.friedrich.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ CHAMELEON amd64 > > with snd_hda devices: > I tried cdcontrol -f dev/cd0 play 1. This bypasses the operating system altogether and assumes that there is a connection between the CD player audio out and an input to the sound 'card'. It is common for this to be absent and to rely on a software player such as vlc or mplayer. > I am using the handbook section 7.2.2, but I have no sound. > How can I troubleshoot this? If the CD is connected internally then there may be a mixer setting you can turn up to hear it, otherwise you will probably hear sound from the headphone jack of the CD player (if there is one). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 15:46:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BB7108C739 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:46:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA46E872E7 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:46:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from chameleon.friedrich.org ([74.132.25.214]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 0qIAgzheJAx0y0qICgM8Qi; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:46:00 +0000 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Steve O'Hara-Smith Subject: Re: No Sound Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:45:57 -0400 Message-ID: <5087996.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> In-Reply-To: <20180914155317.dd06a1f5a892884cfece20b5@sohara.org> References: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> <20180914155317.dd06a1f5a892884cfece20b5@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGUAVM+gFqhyEL0zc9oeiJc+FUTEET8K1YVzr+KjPRR77molvms3WCoyx/UlGXyZ24ESq23wuNRPU1aNYZj2V4TUwaa/JhOQ3OEjdrmQdvsRNkDqUOLm ZoxdRczjRVXoCvjiOC9AX+IxVeR6XbFNJi5/nQ5qFBxwrs1l28k6e8yoVpXmujqbJHThujmKJTduzoTRcqMCMwHCp0IsGbVx/Ic= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:46:03 -0000 On Friday, 14 September 2018 10:53:17 EDT Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:26:57 -0400 > > Steven Friedrich wrote: > > I have a new HP Slimline Desktop 290-p0014 which features an Intel > > i7-8700. running > > FreeBSD Chameleon.friedrich.org 11.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE #2: Thu > > Sep 13 12:15:36 EDT 2018 > > root@Chameleon.friedrich.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ CHAMELEON amd64 > > > > with snd_hda devices: > > I tried cdcontrol -f dev/cd0 play 1. > > This bypasses the operating system altogether and assumes that > there is a connection between the CD player audio out and an input to the > sound 'card'. It is common for this to be absent and to rely on a software > player such as vlc or mplayer. > > > I am using the handbook section 7.2.2, but I have no sound. > > How can I troubleshoot this? > > If the CD is connected internally then there may be a mixer setting > you can turn up to hear it, otherwise you will probably hear sound from the > headphone jack of the CD player (if there is one). It's a SATA DVD and there are no headphone jacks on modern internal DVD drives. So there's no audio cable connecting the drive to any sound card or header on the motherboard. So that means there's no ability to transfer analog audio, just digital audio, I believe. I also can't get output from mplayer. I'll try VLC next. Also, no devices should up under KDE5 system settings Phonon page. Is it possible I didn't check all the phonon boxes when I built KDE5 from ports? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 16:41:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1FC108DB84 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BD79897FE for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from chameleon.friedrich.org ([74.132.25.214]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 0r9MgrymzceP90r9OgTlDj; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:40:59 +0000 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: qt5-phonon-vlc-0.9.1_1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:40:55 -0400 Message-ID: <5084893.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfH8+KwEvV/vCjOaxUCdjq3bCUUwZWy9zEFJeoTo7L4gDOeAnkA8OX623QOhcjXbCVIq1JX4+sOc/Z5xswdx4ggMf1l/7ehToJD0Tu/M7cMXCUdYrsvOP amKnOLkRPlA87xOr8cUeNWNiZOpiNy2Sqg6KK3grE6x8+AcDOWxt4bJ/GzOfo5/ECKzyqL6O5fmEwg== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:41:01 -0000 Registering installation for qt5-phonon-vlc-0.9.1_1 pkg-static: Unable to access file /usr/ports/multimedia/qt5-phonon4-vlc/work/ stage/phonon4qt5_backend/phonon_vlc.so:No such file or directory *** Error code 74 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/multimedia/qt5-phonon4-vlc I'm trying to install vlc under kde5. Is this the correct port? Is it broke? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 16:45:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23722108DD7D for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4B0B89A7A for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:45:26 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: No Sound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5087996.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> References: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> <20180914155317.dd06a1f5a892884cfece20b5@sohara.org> <5087996.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.protonmail.ch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:45:35 -0000 > I also can't get output from mplayer. I'll try VLC next. I think changing from mplayer to vlc will not give you different results. Are you trying to use headphones or speakers? If you are using headphones can you detach them and try with speakers? Can you test your sound with a different test? If you try to listen to a cd= , then we can not determine if the problem is the cd or the soundcard, hence pleas= e try to listen to a .mp3 file on your computer or to a video on the internet= . (A test with .mp3 files assumes that you installed whatever is needed to li= sten to a .mp3 and a test involving a video on the internet requires that you i= nstalled a web browser capable of reproducing videos.) Lorenzo Salvadore. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 16:51:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8300108DFCD for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail1.protonmail.ch (mail1.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74BD189E51 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:50:51 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: qt5-phonon-vlc-0.9.1_1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5084893.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> References: <5084893.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.protonmail.ch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:51:04 -0000 > I'm trying to install vlc under kde5. > Is this the correct port? No, it is not: it is multimedia/vlc. Lorenzo Salvadore. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 17:05:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC53108E64B for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:05:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lebarondemerde@privacychain.ch) Received: from forward106p.mail.yandex.net (forward106p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:109]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B63A78A72D for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:05:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lebarondemerde@privacychain.ch) Received: from mxback14g.mail.yandex.net (mxback14g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:93]) by forward106p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 9D77E2D84343; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:05:19 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp4o.mail.yandex.net (smtp4o.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::28]) by mxback14g.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id D1iqQjSuAU-5JlWAjCM; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:05:19 +0300 Received: by smtp4o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id Ms2OVb857w-5GXCmBau; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:05:17 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:05:12 -0300 From: Alexandre =?utf-8?Q?C=2E_Guimar=C3=A3es?= To: "Igor V. Ruzanov" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Solaris Doors IPC Implementation Message-ID: <20180914170512.tymsk4mzqusxylya@privacychain.ch> References: <20180913210646.vgbaoyornms6xplc@privacychain.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:05:23 -0000 On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:02:37PM +0300, Igor V. Ruzanov wrote: > On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Alexandre C. Guimarães wrote: > > |Hi. > | > |Reading the FreeBSD IdeasPage I see the desire to have the 'Solaris Doors IPC' > |implemented on FreeBSD. > | > |Due to curiosity, what are the advantages of the Solaris IPC over Mach? I mean > |Mach was already implement in NextBSD. > > These are different implementations. Mach ports use asynchronous > communication model while the Solaris DOORS are being synchronous. There > are different applications for these IPC models That made it very clear, and I actually found some more info about asynchronous/synchronous IPCs on a old ChorusOS doc. https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19048-01/chorus5/806-6897/architecture-109/index.html Thanks! > > > |Thanks. > | > |-- > |Best regards./lebarondemerde > |_______________________________________________ > |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > |https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > |To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > | -- Best regards./lebarondemerde From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 18:53:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE701090F1B for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF7868DABA for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:53:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.102.102]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MFJfN-1g3QKK0E49-00Fjvq; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:52:53 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:52:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Steven Friedrich Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No Sound Message-Id: <20180914205252.d79a9a67.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> References: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:VvKaUIz+Wx6RArHzwRdHjq2qJOqGOdK8M8UkTpANJRo+Pw/iPlc OPkBJ/zg8EoMD5zWQeK/5mQzljYAEM6nRvB4mZSsnpfIW/+VB4xGCHd/HN+NntbdAIa7Gf0 fR4LQrY7dQCY+gpTnd0VS7sGpgJdFqz4EjdUwCwa3KArRaakp6CR3CFqzBVqSSGsRtnk563 dAdCWGG/yVRyWgNnBa+Mw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:OtUHzPlu8fE=:i/NvSohhQUywdB0PSzlk3H VA8s3tLAMk61vqilzuYip3gfTEn4JtYpjX6xhu5nOlk8bsLkdhTdl86rHtAtYnaso5QDYngJH 0NhbW9LyXDlD31i6DQe0IAipYBqfEbUKJXBopZImxaYr1BlCo6FzSfiI3jYhv8Dugz3hOTirP H9Oyyf5HimGjBC3cR11wmQKhI9EpnyvvnEcLG3IQAppq8cQhnP7RxCPxyAXVTfd4A0s2m1tmA sYFfWz3Ns6GiY1g0sCyLuCP1Z6JIKp5j28wQ9Qv3CwG5aqL3SNpOD98Zi7MEaW3zakTDfx2K/ i2sYOzbAmjf+MwtAF8Le4+uYXbxy/lufjQ9cyEvuAxBi3OSpx8Q5JXk04Q+wsMEp+Q+QQlour lmfBLDwUu+5Yvp/5XqkMvPWW+w5IZxrOth1oYdp4x5Bu8jUxQYyDbPzIEFX9G+UTjQh3c5TnQ IRyjKVZ/3BgeNAX1zcZSJaxatRZVM3/WSN+xmbiOUl2KCLebKf43rdQMfGjNK4ASnVBUeHSS7 RkjuyuWIW5nfP8WQAhUShshDttIym/6P7IcrrVcGp/+MjwP89pAH2kdZVv1E4h6XMkYBljwqy 9MqAZimGvFjNB3gmGxC+K9DcA7GgZpbJ53b/OEfAUi3zHlYBOt3WU8+KAHslqxn07CMQD6mRE Bgw11x3kanAibD4d5ghgxNAXoPLXmcoHQaQdhW/aWlxzal4+t9KAC9Ctrc1XnKDrUBsltpaWi glxkUE1XqwsLHWHd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:53:05 -0000 On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:26:57 -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: > I have a new HP Slimline Desktop 290-p0014 which features an Intel i7-8700. > running > FreeBSD Chameleon.friedrich.org 11.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE #2: Thu Sep > 13 12:15:36 EDT 2018 root@Chameleon.friedrich.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ > CHAMELEON amd64 > > with snd_hda devices: > Installed devices: > pcm0: (play/rec) > pcm1: (play/rec) > pcm2: (play) default > No devices installed from userspace. > I tried cdcontrol -f dev/cd0 play 1. Not sure if this still works... The cdcontrol utility was used for decades with the acd driver (ATAPI), and that supported the command to play audio CDs (usually with output through the internally wired CD Audio connector). The command of course expects /dev/cd0 (full path name), which should be the default anyway. You can check it: # cdcontrol eject Does the drive open? If yes, you don't need to specify the device. :-) You can also set a device with $CDROM in your environment; see "man cdcontrol" for details. > I am using the handbook section 7.2.2, but I have no sound. > How can I troubleshoot this? FIrst check: # pcicontrol -lv | less and see if the system detects your sound hardware as you would expect. Next, check: # dmesg | grep "pcm" as well as # cat /dev/sndstat You should also verify that the corresponding mixer devices appear in /dev (usually mixer0, maybe more). >From your above output, it seems that the device has been recognized correctly, so now check for several other things: 1. Is the mixer set correctly? 2. Is the device using the correct output unit (if there is more than one)? 3. Are you connecting your speakers / headphones / amplifier to the correct output? Commands like # mixer -f /dev/mixer0 and # sysctl -a | grep "snd" will tell you most things, the rest is done with eyes. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 14 19:07:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF81D1091599 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 19:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DDDB8E280 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 19:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.102.102]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N0G5n-1feq0I1Q63-00xMOI; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:02:29 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:02:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Steven Friedrich Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Subject: Re: No Sound Message-Id: <20180914210228.f390e34c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5087996.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> References: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> <20180914155317.dd06a1f5a892884cfece20b5@sohara.org> <5087996.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:KtSqLyHGXqk7fFk0OLKrOf8ILw5PWs03VPH4Qg67uSupAHym67J QsUfhunvbD1rcbLuTSeff/iXEfXRjZDGE7p84/moSYIbVVUDLWw/ye9DfeG2yoshpxR0oEo xBBd57R0QOdDSx9Ceibpn4XvzNs5ouLuZmvmTxeUDcVGTOo+6TGh+e9Up41aa0edDXB0+E8 ImZ9XBnkEr3AQDktPkVdg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:6u4mCpTEU5g=:8fYERZGLGqxccPJ1o/5e4V X2UYVZ7WkOXykav02oadyvB7X0+gYr1xdbioRywxTtk5OMNEbCGdj3id9vRoTKYdxkfW1n9VF MQrVe2V66ckpFKGDfzywQpGA62aBKz+WtSXDQmb6b+9WDK/FyJbPOEl8xjrkxqCstzMoySJvw ++ayGi6mpOohad+qD1bignLx/Rjx8PybiddwtBpubNR5EnAs7Ylk3oZcbxwmEjuW2NdQrdqI1 OeKxlmm2i8mS3UiqfTQGOodIkzEMXfRTEtZ3W19hy+Cpq5I9RG3kcybfuGaAZx56V+mxqEm3i edN4/iuVLVtmeQPxrCIFrRSaGOA98xR8nqkP/xJIEBg3taGRQ8Rby2I3lIHXvkWjaWPEzQLGm HCzicr0eWKzCy0trs29GDOx6lg9XXa0KR4i30tSXk4l5VrM4VzVxP9Q1O+ybylbrg9N94lCle XYt4h65KW4UPQ1abTc5HvXvMq2IJCZO4eo+/wVBDSvHkhWA/yW80Tf6RZKCl1udCiA8WqBju7 yP6WgnuiDgeuDV2Wfwv7oUfadK+uWVxhUjFimoCreKEWV7h58DJOsyKw/slO0Dtij69jWGqic yXhx1PgcW+BJEfAmNgxqOJ/3wXjU9DmMcI6Cx5WUKJQd3gQOkpD3ArizHCiJ/skOPWLuqcflM K79AnfjeBcmjyLtAR5VKbgON3ELjNVWTwthoM8VH7PN6Av1inthwMWFiC/uMkWXgOCbr8MjEF rfBMdsKOLsi1Udhp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 19:07:57 -0000 On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:45:57 -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: > It's a SATA DVD and there are no headphone jacks on modern internal DVD > drives. So there's no audio cable connecting the drive to any sound card or > header on the motherboard. So that means there's no ability to transfer > analog audio, just digital audio, I believe. There are tools like cdparanoia that can "digitally play" from the CD drive, and you can also use mplayer to play CD audio the digital way. > I also can't get output from mplayer. I'll try VLC next. If you don't have sound in mplayer, it likely won't happen that you get sound from VLC (or any other media player for that matter). > Also, no devices should up under KDE5 system settings Phonon page. Is it > possible I didn't check all the phonon boxes when I built KDE5 from ports? I think Phonon is a default component of the KDE installation. But for now, don't bother with KDE. Always check the basics first, using the system tools. For example, using good old "mpg123 somefile.mp3" and then experiment with the mixer command. It _might_ be possible that you have to select a different output device using sysctl. Example: I have a Lenovo R61i and a R500. On the R61i, I can use the default unit (0), while I have to enable the setting "hw.snd.default_unit=1" in /etc/sysctl.conf on the R500, even though they seem to be using almost the same HDA codec: R61i: pcm0: pcm1: R500: pcm0: pcm1: With sysctl as mentioned, the second one will work. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 05:50:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A175109CDE8 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 05:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3572C80160 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 05:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from chameleon.friedrich.org ([74.132.25.214]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 13Sqg4lcLceP913SsgXslt; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 05:49:59 +0000 From: Steven Friedrich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon Cc: Steve O'Hara-Smith Subject: Re: No Sound Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 01:49:51 -0400 Message-ID: <2925378.bT80LyP3VS@chameleon.friedrich.org> In-Reply-To: <20180914210228.f390e34c.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> <5087996.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> <20180914210228.f390e34c.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfH1NaMXg5dCErzeBZWpn7JYSgZE1gWYjOmGjvTwV6Y9VQ/BDxrazASOdzd4hVd3zhyLFSMJVvMlDZghi6VWRBKeKLCBQcwbcOUgK1J7SKB2c0pvfiIf7 NlvE9kTgaJjxzjF/HuosOGVplgI8JgTFTewYwX/GA9j97aKwTzWtar/8R+0TnMN3sIRebZrhwISF1kqg/xVNnIA8aI6BkvTWsVxiZw0BB/PJZl38DIWenS3C X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 05:50:04 -0000 On Friday, 14 September 2018 15:02:28 EDT Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:45:57 -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: > > It's a SATA DVD and there are no headphone jacks on modern internal DVD > > drives. So there's no audio cable connecting the drive to any sound card > > or header on the motherboard. So that means there's no ability to > > transfer analog audio, just digital audio, I believe. > > There are tools like cdparanoia that can "digitally play" > from the CD drive, and you can also use mplayer to play > CD audio the digital way. > > > I also can't get output from mplayer. I'll try VLC next. > > If you don't have sound in mplayer, it likely won't happen > that you get sound from VLC (or any other media player for > that matter). > > > Also, no devices should up under KDE5 system settings Phonon page. Is it > > possible I didn't check all the phonon boxes when I built KDE5 from ports? > > I think Phonon is a default component of the KDE installation. > But for now, don't bother with KDE. Always check the basics > first, using the system tools. > > For example, using good old "mpg123 somefile.mp3" and then > experiment with the mixer command. It _might_ be possible > that you have to select a different output device using sysctl. > > Example: I have a Lenovo R61i and a R500. On the R61i, I can > use the default unit (0), while I have to enable the setting > "hw.snd.default_unit=1" in /etc/sysctl.conf on the R500, > even though they seem to be using almost the same HDA codec: > > R61i: > pcm0: > pcm1: > > R500: > > pcm0: > pcm1: > > With sysctl as mentioned, the second one will work. :-) OK, I've figured out the basics (mostly) I have three possible outputs to choose from, i.e., pcm0 (rear analog), pcm1 (front analog), and pcm2 (HDMI/DP). I can choose which touse with sysctl hw.snd.default_unit. Which ever I set, I must use the corresponding mixer, i.e., mixer0 for pcm0, mixer1 for pcm1, and mixer2 for pcm2. I can hear sound out of pcm0 and pcm1 (rear and front analog), but I can't hear any sound from pcm2 which goes to HDMI. The man page for snd_hds says: HDMI and DisplayPort audio may also require support from video driver. Since I'm using syscons, I don't think this applies. But it begs the question, is the audio supplied to both HDMI and DisplayPort or is it selectable? And is it digital or analog? In summary, I can't get audio out to HDMI... 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On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 15:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Daniel Feenberg wrote: > We are using the NFS server on FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p7 to serve home > directories to Linux SL7 (same as Centos7 and RH7) clients via NFSv3. > While this worked fine with SL6, we find that starting Firefox, Gnome or > Mate causes the client to hang with the message: > > nfs server XXX not responding, still trying > > and (for example) > > ~/.mozilla/firefox/XXX/.nfs00000000000XXXXXXXXX file stuck > > If one tries to remove the lock, the client responds: > > Cannot remove, Device or resource busy > > Furthermore, the server quickly stops serving *all* other clients also. If > we kill the client process, then the server recovers after a few minutes. > Our workaround has been to move the directories .local, .config and .dbus > in the home directory to an NFS partition that is mounting without > locking, but this seems inadequate as a permanent solution. > > Since the FreeBSD server stops responding to other clients, it seems it > must be a FreeBSD problem. Even if the Linux client (systemd?) is making > an improper request, it is inappropriate for FreeBSD to hang in response. > We also see this same result with Truenas and FreeNAS fileservers (which > are based on FreeBSD) but see https://redmine.ixsystems.com/issues/927 for > another report related to earlier clients. A Linux NFS server does not > display this problem. > > Daniel Feenberg > National Bureau of Economic Research From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 12:48:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6DC10A5C2B for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 12:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@dgmm.net) Received: from out1-server.securespamfilter.com (out1-server.securespamfilter.com [89.187.86.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8AD38B883 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 12:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@dgmm.net) Received: from phantom.hostingseries.net ([89.187.86.9]) by server.securespamfilter.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1g19zo-0005KB-Gs for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 13:48:21 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dgmm.net; s=default; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version:References: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Date:Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=CXKB3I/6oz8hF8jppHvn9AR5DjXGbIqQI+NrLsIlKsY=; b=ZUM/Uwfghc8kxuJkcX0LOSGv0U LEwcTYNqTbUXOM7n0m2twXHQrWtmcJqyRLXg1gnlLI7NMKcC+RetIQwLVHX8h6h3+4MAcPYUrFqwH H9DuDTwwyZLOt6gm8+KxolzwZzHc5+9jmKiViSN8+kfL9VqdICgWEU+rbcMqcgVBg3ThJwtCVAJyM w1G37kf93oV8HPI5dCnkYKiysxTEkM48EBF/5xguOAnI6keSUUhzjiuaPJNpZ0BjIikEkPSw3GLJN +upgVZ3pSuFQPM5pqAJ1LiMkwzGxtu/dcJLBHioOlR4aSv8Wo+c5z7cU/FL9xJJoMnlpx+dpx/aW7 UIjADnzQ==; Received: from cpc138954-jarr14-2-0-cust73.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([92.236.194.74]:28019 helo=amd.asgard.uk) by phantom.hostingseries.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1g19zn-009llB-Ry for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 13:48:19 +0100 From: Dave To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HELP upgrade 10.3 to 11.2, now it won't boot! Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 13:48:19 +0100 Message-ID: <2206474.bsFnhHbT6D@amd.asgard.uk> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.10 (FreeBSD/11.2-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.14.38; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-AuthUser: dave@dgmm.net X-Originating-IP: 89.187.86.9 X-SpamExperts-Domain: pickaweb.co.uk X-SpamExperts-Username: phantom Authentication-Results: securespamfilter.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=phantom@pickaweb.co.uk X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Class: ham X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.19) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5kupLwLsp3LqBANPc2O5TEp602E9L7XzfQH6nu9C/Fh9KJzpNe6xgvOx q3u0UDjvO16ABlNNUDIJIcF7N1k9wYur48C+/LzRqVzELXf1NLUsbNbo7palBZjCExzO+3olYvsX hglgbs5IpyGDgNX/ERPO4k7ydv2Rs1VgfbHBQGgnSBWlL1zfgiPkRstzHteqQVg1Uy9ADlOzeJz1 BxZWfHw5Hq+okk8kO+NUCpq3LTiGtbpnLodRr5By2fDp2R8jVjzKTV8aWbomEbNt4lTNHpfIOjU0 3dmq/B+xVTE75a44osefbE1jmWEp5zI0N9cLxVT08VH0yijnhbv6KoiGRjfXxlKLMjQotLD5FuRD Oiwhsi5tMxElwJCAE/GSgA77BiObofOmVZ8jq2JCzFshGkbfX8TdqEXkwxwMjsp2mNApiXFEnh2S R4O4bOALgGXeYcXnJWPq9gJ/ENiOZ9/UUhh1/atoPPXpgcY5OL20mhCuJgQWcrs8q+WcXVXZDcW5 0nQA4NuQg1+/HGgfT4I9ZhrTiEw2ui8TVPldBCj8jBAThyjPmSUriLIWNFh8VPu5sw7Vrlu3s/uA CgR9f66bbB7FdGLbSbnyyp0GBnUvoYj4Snz0A+q6BPOEbwOYxP6SbB42WLjJFBAq5Bnbxa56lAkR FZ4oobg8BBg3Jq+ntzj07d4ybV/936XQIvQkI5SEnlCBK4uvVJEIch2WQ73VbGzVVTAS+0nX1i0k XsHk4OKGaFW/Nr5npiPz1rJHby/iKDwJWw42swm4bO6gacpMpzJ0OMwpA5/TMrO2Mi6biRScpiJv lUAWHgjPxah3m4aBC0Pxc87hvHlHa+Lca1oOMP1SOhM9IDpSeshZ8tB9PLHXi+9Aecue5KL/U8kR nsRe7iJyWJsRWRIJ7sJCZN//AU1HsEWcU0wbSTy9e22Gzfieq7l0iUd2dFY7u9IaheWB/gkiRgrU A3axQE5uxYrhs+z2xhk3/PELxNx073IhhJM4 X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@server.securespamfilter.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 12:48:30 -0000 On Tuesday 11 September 2018 21:24:38 Rick Miller wrote: > You may be able to resolve it by booting the system to external media and > mounting the disk with the root filesystem and modifying /etc/fstab. That's how I fixed mine. When I did the 10.3 to 11.2 upgrade I got the same (or very similar) and it seems that 11 enumerates the disk in a different fashion to 10. Sadly, I didn't note down the precise difference to can't report on what may have happened. This only happened on my file server where the boot disk is not in MBR format. Other boxes using MBR didn't have issues. 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w8FFALw3007423 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:10:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w8FFALB9007422 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:10:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Re: keysym list for French chars Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:10:21 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4801daa5-ecbe-42f5-8095-f8d5628131a9@unixarea.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:15:09 -0000 On 2018-09-15, Matthias Apitz wrote: >> My son starts learning French in school and I want him create a keyboard >> mapping for the special French chars we do not have on our German >> keyboards. I did this for Spanish already, redefining the useless Windows >> key as Modifier key, and pressing this +a gives á, for example. So, I do >> know how to hack this, I only need the names of the French keysyms. These are easy to find in /usr/local/include/X11/keysymdef.h. À à Agrave agrave  â Acircumflex acircumflex Æ æ AE ae Ç ç Ccedilla ccedilla É é Egrave egrave È è Eacute eacute Ê ê Ecircumflex ecircumflex Ë ë Ediaeresis ediaeresis Î î Icircumflex icircumflex Ï ï Idiaeresis idiaeresis Ô ô Ocircumflex ocircumflex Œ œ OE oe Ù ù Ugrave ugrave Û û Ucircumflex ucircumflex Ü ü Udiaeresis udiaeresis Ÿ ÿ Ydiaeresis ydiaeresis -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 17:00:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B2710AA431 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vdemart@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x32e.google.com (mail-wm1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31906919CC for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vdemart@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id t25-v6so5081108wmi.3 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 10:00:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id:to :mime-version; bh=3wU8lo2f/HkL3bb9Db/qsvZbbwCRhs2SKbSUhi5MbdM=; b=RIFCslaugYGFZeEn9t98/tMWX//C/uvjGRCuRUny6Z49PbZnbTiEHXzCJEZAovYcZR JsHUchuVIqxrhJOfHUwQQ119t3ldc0BGOypD52ktcxFE5+0B6sVO0iSv9c7YPEWqkRl0 2FVaFCn/AF7iQdlL8q5JD6zCLEobZ5HokLbM9Pt28KofFdLKTPoJu3WrdBhUKizZxqjO GZGTAGS/m8gprn9kLDpIivmbdXslnyPn+PujOeTBRbXqtSJTFwcGsYC0a7GcLuwKHAG9 Q27X1Fep2LbbHXl1Oy2pEEnDwzb7ZBaefV2nMVVMB+/HAowp1T+FlcTL1F78dkL3FiDS WKWA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version; bh=3wU8lo2f/HkL3bb9Db/qsvZbbwCRhs2SKbSUhi5MbdM=; b=pCnSyTAMXtHUKCfTNrVt/v0z/1bbbjZvQ7mYv6AoebeV+d2KInmDYXw0+fMoHCuBty RhbSUbbF+mXYmZgUsAxNwwBf+C/4r4f24cwv7A4gyYf9gr8YsJyRaftkYGYM94BWoqmY mfkXj0IQxNo0VJ4AKLgu3Vy0ngXwsrEfuuy1EHabj3nLApvJLF0RiGHKJpu9o+73GSlo lR/j9AD7KddAwGlMPPH6/5shvrJ0MAIGxsot4f0WZcjHx8OVS7hbVeChmum2SCCkzLjF JQ4xr+7fig7dH8E3nLhGUXXfbdM67gLsrjTCURtSIfwg2ux70gxB/R4Rs8bZ9LAAlOkb Vo6g== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DvYKhd6SRrQC+TdDJkw4e6KZ33V41Mb7LxiGar7fEpF2lvbKTY Br85drS9WfFFgeZC1coalxCwXfTD X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdaT8t6oiPKpLqUwU1TCtzVPrGIfxm50DX9dp9n3PHL2sH2IMcvOtXw5lc6X+GKcuscI/wEEbA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:8e81:: with SMTP id q123-v6mr6040039wmd.56.1537030846291; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 10:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbookvittorio.homenet.telecomitalia.it (host65-212-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it. [87.16.212.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w3-v6sm9707337wru.93.2018.09.15.10.00.45 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 15 Sep 2018 10:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Victor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Recover Fat32 files from a usb hd overwritten with a Freebsd image Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:00:44 +0200 Message-Id: <778CC5A8-0C53-4FF3-80E4-5F4C73BF3BD3@gmail.com> To: FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:00:48 -0000 I'm risking to be hanged by the neck by my daughter! Well the fact is simple and dramatic. My daughter had a usb external hd, = formatted as Fat32 filesystem, where she was keping all her jpeg = photos.=20 Accidentally I used this same usb drive to copy the = FreeBSD-11.2-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img using the classical sudo dd if=3DFreeBSD-12.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img of=3D/dev/da0 bs=3D1m= At the end of the process I became aware of the terrible mistake and = I've never used the usb hd to start Freebsd. I wonder if I can try to recover the jpeg files from the 'extinct' fat32 = filesystem. Surfing the net I found many solutions and I'm somewhat = confused (photorec?). In order to avoid the hanging, is there anyone of you experts able to = give me a useful hint for this specific case? Ciao Vittorio =20= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 17:40:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDF71080176 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail2.protonmail.ch (mail2.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D16FC92B27 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:40:25 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: Recover Fat32 files from a usb hd overwritten with a Freebsd image Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <778CC5A8-0C53-4FF3-80E4-5F4C73BF3BD3@gmail.com> References: <778CC5A8-0C53-4FF3-80E4-5F4C73BF3BD3@gmail.com> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.protonmail.ch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:40:40 -0000 > I'm risking to be hanged by the neck by my daughter! > Well the fact is simple and dramatic. My daughter had a usb external hd, = formatted as Fat32 filesystem, where she was keping all her jpeg photos. > Accidentally I used this same usb drive to copy the FreeBSD-11.2-RELEASE-= amd64-memstick.img using the classical > > sudo dd if=3DFreeBSD-12.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img of=3D/dev/da0 bs=3D1= m > > At the end of the process I became aware of the terrible mistake and I've= never used the usb hd to start Freebsd. > I wonder if I can try to recover the jpeg files from the 'extinct' fat32 = filesystem. Surfing the net I found many solutions and I'm somewhat confuse= d (photorec?). > > In order to avoid the hanging, is there anyone of you experts able to giv= e me a useful hint for this specific case? > Ciao > Vittorio If your goal is to avoid the hanging, that's easy: run, run as fast as you can! Now, I doubt photorec can help you, because if I understood correctly it recovers deleted files on a filesystem that has not been changed: this is not your case. However, there is hope: take a look at this site: https://www.drivesaversdatarecovery.com/ According to Wire (see https://www.wired.com/2012/08/mat-honan-data-recovery/ ), those guys were able to recover many photos from an hard disk that was partially overwritten with plenty of zeros: this is similar to your case - you overwrote part of your device with a freebsd image. I think (but I am unsure) that their strategy consist in reading the part of the drive that have not been overwritten and see what they can reconstruct following the filesystem's rules. You could try sending them your drive or sending it to any organization that gives the same service (I do not know if other organizations exist). Lorenzo Salvadore. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 17:55:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECCB10806DD for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:55:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10AC9327E; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from sas1.nber.org (sas1.nber.org [198.71.6.89]) by mail2.nber.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w8FHtbjV041117 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 15 Sep 2018 13:55:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 13:55:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Rick Macklem cc: =?UTF-8?Q?T=C4=B3l_Coosemans?= , "rmacklem@FreeBSD.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Gnome and Firefox, lockd and NFS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: , <20180915130133.70c66339@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LRH 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-KLMS-Rule-ID: 1 X-KLMS-Message-Action: clean X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Status: not scanned, disabled by settings X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Interceptor-Info: not scanned X-KLMS-AntiPhishing: Clean, 2018/09/11 07:55:10 X-KLMS-AntiVirus: Kaspersky Security 8.0 for Linux Mail Server, version 8.0.1.721, bases: 2018/09/15 13:48:00 #8550401 X-KLMS-AntiVirus-Status: Clean, skipped X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:55:46 -0000 On Sat, 15 Sep 2018, Rick Macklem wrote: > >> Our workaround has been to move the directories .local, .config and .dbus >> in the home directory to an NFS partition that is mounting without >> locking, but this seems inadequate as a permanent solution. >> >> Since the FreeBSD server stops responding to other clients, it seems it >> must be a FreeBSD problem. > I think you have a "livelock" type problem, where the client is flooding the > server with RPCs. > To check, you could capture packets when it happens and look at them with > wireshark, which understands NFS RPCs well. Can you refer me to posting with more detailed discussion of the "livelock" problem? A half hour with Google doesn't show anything relevant. Daniel Feenberg > >> Even if the Linux client (systemd?) is making >> an improper request, it is inappropriate for FreeBSD to hang in response. >> We also see this same result with Truenas and FreeNAS fileservers (which >> are based on FreeBSD) but see https://redmine.ixsystems.com/issues/927 for >> another report related to earlier clients. A Linux NFS server does not >> display this problem. > Part of the problem with the NLM is that no two implementations will be 100% > compatible, since there was never any published spec (like an RFC) for the > protocol. Each implementation tries various tricks to make it work better. > I suspect some change between the implementations in SL6 and SL7 triggered > this. (Since the protocol is unpublished and fundamentally flawed, I don't try > and fix it and just suggest the above when anyone has problems with it.) > > rick > >> >> Daniel Feenberg >> National Bureau of Economic Research > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 18:45:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1A11081812 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:45:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B67819477B for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:45:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.102.102]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N5lvf-1fmDZs2PqF-017HSd; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:45:03 +0200 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:45:01 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Steven Friedrich Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Subject: Re: No Sound Message-Id: <20180915204501.b21cb2b9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2925378.bT80LyP3VS@chameleon.friedrich.org> References: <5065116.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> <5087996.8gLySxXtyI@chameleon.friedrich.org> <20180914210228.f390e34c.freebsd@edvax.de> <2925378.bT80LyP3VS@chameleon.friedrich.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:K409yjpRJVcqSOzAI1Y9JcYEPrwWgXSqh1cDm8AAOBk5JhdQlvZ Fxus9tbDZEXkxmQbTyrIJCiKEUxA6yinahd35C2QvcLuQz6UqnFfUiOVxfEZbL4DzTlMKzv UqVtvS3E+Il94nUa33eYuTKsJ3Bw4d+XGNfPRrbbvKxtRzDmwknxQ7e0GReLUyGlGv21dN8 0UtNDhon68ea3LBLxxxdw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Vt0gn1Vx+qA=:Bi46f+kU/kyKDw279yQaZc 5jrGK1QDa1YAEOhZdDyaNXpMuOssmFoZKeHDagB8p1RyH9AgSSxYKe0UzSqqSFBC7LO6Y8rgk 2birGrx8Ay9TlOJTjwm2ypjaCNnmhV+Voqu8edmLSvzLAyM52lk2hmGd4SNZjpdwMG72KDG4Z FjjJ7D0Oiogn+S+tRoDfWkcsANjkjaJWVb6qFI3isQI82IIlATkg5sGdnqRvLR3d65WswYxPU xE/tMR6THSEwh/3Vpd68uNIPk/a+aGNc5Pv4s7qtp9vJfUXSPL4f9fuBd5BDI9LqYBURhOAC4 pGaupjAKCPC3vTVxiHwjdKBiaUXivg/hjytrWXR3PSVH6mOsqcuAPeBkZQQjCmnitfDmVfzsN YUgVTClq5iKzm7UkOeAuolXVggcxcI4cCrX62NSoEEb4eS8pOn8MB3+BTSKnY0W1cQT8uukSL KLb+l631apOHraFFRa0aeI+wZycg+yrPGhqxulH28eLJ5/7nQpUc3ad2WIXh4Heg/D9urxkl5 fBTUfCZoB7HeFSJxDSc1/Dnor0MVBiC411MqqtV2ZxpJZ7mLqKhtblL7iPYswdoYZIzSw/Ygp T48pagF3ncsRcWU6h2XwAFZuWZmj3dqG54JaciVFx2FqGpHVuW6Nb5EkCfMCHSqN5w2OqdzCD xaHPj2Y+A4rkobvR4sSHYtOJWCp5MbhDgJ/6kkdoG28669PD3RDs9cXKRQ9fq9gZFGyjo1dAg /YJQYtXqcUO0bHn5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:45:16 -0000 On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 01:49:51 -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: > OK, I've figured out the basics (mostly) > I have three possible outputs to choose from, i.e., pcm0 (rear analog), pcm1 > (front analog), and pcm2 (HDMI/DP). > I can choose which touse with sysctl hw.snd.default_unit. > Which ever I set, I must use the corresponding mixer, i.e., mixer0 for pcm0, > mixer1 for pcm1, and mixer2 for pcm2. Excellent! > I can hear sound out of pcm0 and pcm1 (rear and front analog), but I can't > hear any sound from pcm2 which goes to HDMI. > The man page for snd_hds says: > HDMI and DisplayPort audio may also require support from video driver. > > Since I'm using syscons, I don't think this applies. Correct. But... you mentioned that you're using FreeBSD 11.2, and this should default to vt as the console driver, _not_ sc. Anyway, I think in this case an X-related driver is meant. And of course your video _hardware_ needs to support HDMI audio. There are monitors which do not have this ability. Some only offer an external audio connector (for headphones or amplifier), and some have built-in amplified speakers. > But it begs the question, is the audio supplied to both HDMI and DisplayPort > or is it selectable? Maybe there is a corresponding setting in your computer's CMOS setup (BIOS or UEFI). I would _guess_ that the system choses the one output (out of the available two) that has a device connected to it as the default unit for output. At least that would be a sane approach. But... sure, you never know... ;-) > And is it digital or analog? In those two cases, the audio is transmitted as digital data, if I remember correctly. Turning it back into usable analog audio is the task of the hardware attached to the other end of the HDMI or DP cable. > In summary, I can't get audio out to HDMI... Maybe this is helpful: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/sound-setup.html There is a paragraph that deals with HDMI output, but the task of _selecting_ it has been solved, so the question that remains is: Why is there nothing to hear? It is very important to check which graphics card your system has (because that's the unit responsible for the HDMI port), and see if there is a good X driver for it. Of course sound and graphics hardware may actually be inside the same chip, so "card" often doesn't apply. It still seems to imply that HDMI sound playback is only possible from within X... Furthermore: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/sound-over-hdmi.36130/ http://daemon-notes.com/articles/entertainment/htpc/app-a -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 18:46:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BB810818F8 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:46:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from smh-06.1blu.de (smh-06.1blu.de [178.254.0.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8040A94822 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:46:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [172.16.29.5] (helo=sh4-5.1blu.de) by smh-06.1blu.de with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g1Faf-0002qh-Al for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:46:45 +0200 Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g1Faf-0003OJ-8I for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:46:45 +0200 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:46:45 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: keysym list for French chars Message-ID: <20180915184645.GA8305@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4801daa5-ecbe-42f5-8095-f8d5628131a9@unixarea.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:46:56 -0000 El día Saturday, September 15, 2018 a las 03:10:21PM -0000, Christian Weisgerber escribió: > These are easy to find in /usr/local/include/X11/keysymdef.h. > > À à Agrave agrave > ... Thanks, Naddy. Based on this I hacked together the mappings below. Compared with Spanish, the French is a bit more complex, because for example you have to make of one physical key 'e' four different shapes è é ê ë: > É é Egrave egrave > È è Eacute eacute > Ê ê Ecircumflex ecircumflex > Ë ë Ediaeresis ediaeresis Anyway, here is what I do (and comments ar welcome): # Frensh tilded chars (use Mode_switch + char) # xmodmap -e "keycode 0x40 = Mode_switch" # # key: a -> a A à À xmodmap -e "keycode 38 = a A agrave Agrave" # key: s -> s S â  xmodmap -e "keycode 39 = s S acircumflex Acircumflex" # key: d -> d D æ Æ xmodmap -e "keycode 40 = d D ae AE" # key: c -> c C ç Ç xmodmap -e "keycode 54 = c C ccedilla Ccedilla" # key: e -> e E è È xmodmap -e "keycode 26 = e E egrave Egrave" # key: r -> r R é É xmodmap -e "keycode 27 = r R eacute Eacute" # key: t -> t T ê Ê xmodmap -e "keycode 28 = t T ecircumflex Ecircumflex" # key: z -> z Z ë Ë xmodmap -e "keycode 29 = z Z ediaeresis Ediaeresis" # key: i -> i I î Î xmodmap -e "keycode 31 = i I icircumflex Icircumflex" # key: k -> k K ï Ï xmodmap -e "keycode 45 = k K idiaeresis Idiaeresis" # key: o -> o O ô Ô xmodmap -e "keycode 32 = o O ocircumflex Ocircumflex" # key: l -> l L œ Œ xmodmap -e "keycode 46 = l L oe OE" # key: u -> u U ù Ù xmodmap -e "keycode 30 = u U ugrave Ugrave" # key: v -> v V û Û xmodmap -e "keycode 55 = v V ucircumflex Ucircumflex" # key: y -> y Y ÿ Ÿ xmodmap -e "keycode 52 = y Y ydiaeresis Ydiaeresis" -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ 📱 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub 13. August 2018: Manchmal möchte ich nun einen AUSREISEANTRAG stellen. August 13, 2018: Sometimes I'd like to ask for an exit permission now. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 19:01:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBAD1082118 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail2.protonmail.ch (mail2.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1D2F94F25 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:01:06 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: keysym list for French chars Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20180915184645.GA8305@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <4801daa5-ecbe-42f5-8095-f8d5628131a9@unixarea.de> <20180915184645.GA8305@sh4-5.1blu.de> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.protonmail.ch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:01:14 -0000 > Anyway, here is what I do (and comments ar welcome): > > Frensh tilded chars (use Mode_switch + char) > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 0x40 =3D Mode_switch" > > =3D=3D > > key: a -> a A =C3=A0 =C3=80 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 38 =3D a A agrave Agrave" > > key: s -> s S =C3=A2 =C3=82 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 39 =3D s S acircumflex Acircumflex" > > key: d -> d D =C3=A6 =C3=86 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 40 =3D d D ae AE" > > key: c -> c C =C3=A7 =C3=87 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 54 =3D c C ccedilla Ccedilla" > > key: e -> e E =C3=A8 =C3=88 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 26 =3D e E egrave Egrave" > > key: r -> r R =C3=A9 =C3=89 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 27 =3D r R eacute Eacute" > > key: t -> t T =C3=AA =C3=8A > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 28 =3D t T ecircumflex Ecircumflex" > > key: z -> z Z =C3=AB =C3=8B > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 29 =3D z Z ediaeresis Ediaeresis" > > key: i -> i I =C3=AE =C3=8E > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 31 =3D i I icircumflex Icircumflex" > > key: k -> k K =C3=AF =C3=8F > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 45 =3D k K idiaeresis Idiaeresis" > > key: o -> o O =C3=B4 =C3=94 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 32 =3D o O ocircumflex Ocircumflex" > > key: l -> l L =C5=93 =C5=92 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 46 =3D l L oe OE" > > key: u -> u U =C3=B9 =C3=99 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 30 =3D u U ugrave Ugrave" > > key: v -> v V =C3=BB =C3=9B > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 55 =3D v V ucircumflex Ucircumflex" > > key: y -> y Y =C3=BF =C5=B8 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > xmodmap -e "keycode 52 =3D y Y ydiaeresis Ydiaeresis" You can remove ydiaresis and ae as they do not appear in any French word (I am French native speaker). Lorenzo Salvadore. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 19:10:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D6D1082456 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from smh-06.1blu.de (smh-06.1blu.de [178.254.0.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15C47953AC for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [172.16.29.5] (helo=sh4-5.1blu.de) by smh-06.1blu.de with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g1FxL-0003Ox-56 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 21:10:11 +0200 Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g1FxL-0006Ga-2l for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 21:10:11 +0200 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 21:10:11 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: keysym list for French chars Message-ID: <20180915191011.GA20001@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4801daa5-ecbe-42f5-8095-f8d5628131a9@unixarea.de> <20180915184645.GA8305@sh4-5.1blu.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:10:14 -0000 El día Saturday, September 15, 2018 a las 07:01:06PM +0000, Lorenzo Salvadore via freebsd-questions escribió: > You can remove ydiaresis and ae as they do not appear in any > French word (I am French native speaker). THanks. Only ydiaresis and ae, or also Ydiaresis and AE? (I am German native) matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ 📱 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub 13. August 2018: Manchmal möchte ich nun einen AUSREISEANTRAG stellen. August 13, 2018: Sometimes I'd like to ask for an exit permission now. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 19:23:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200E91082A41 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:23:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76B6695ACF for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:23:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.102.102]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MKKdD-1gFl6m0wYh-00LnTd; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 21:10:31 +0200 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 21:10:30 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Victor Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Recover Fat32 files from a usb hd overwritten with a Freebsd image Message-Id: <20180915211030.35fdf96a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <778CC5A8-0C53-4FF3-80E4-5F4C73BF3BD3@gmail.com> References: <778CC5A8-0C53-4FF3-80E4-5F4C73BF3BD3@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:W/bBpYbgMYfbK/DjzWosoaHT3IG7KuPwW9gqYXnRJeFidfEUyQK 6hS4zwVJjqg2eGk33b5X90Ut+trjvb1WWfhldcEQPzht3f8/c0IiyQefUx5Ye6D9JXtY84+ armreHDSpFOW2y+/R41HObtNxOJAzSTb/9+Dr4eFk810nO+ySSpCdM07xIw0IabAQ8QEvz/ WUGbVGuk9Ju1+HNHy1Pkw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:C8G9QQ7Xzcw=:bP1VnHpPDQD1GuH0EWADPj 1QzbvWMriL6NrkgsjQanes94KKgf+j797BPQdrgmEicOB0HnQHLvClXHIV1PICPFNoPwGZwX6 AOtukmLTyQB/DqQ+RTvtAhBzI4TsiXKRZcLyykWOe8rRaWuOxNbTOlIZa1L/RyJqO/2ixXHbk MVEg+l7A0VZxSkdyGuzkeM/nT4I5GESV1djfhVXmKf4amUTjJU+Aquz/5nIAsYWIkhepENpuH fzMRz/AasbmRmAwGMccIGQzJZOuEL6hcDF3o+9CYp2i2BMHMnM1Q9MqJkdvlfEWa1PeNEzwV4 xiXcxg0uQVczFbFkJ8CR3jhUzudnVHWiq8blXME/Y4wAASZbJep9KyiyVhvpwR0x55CP11LIG bUq2O8rEM1eJJNWRsCDI/G5U3TK8RrFZ9BZ0DaSNIOekyDMIAbTuEnA4/QQf+5KOlSwi5hTCP MpNPlqjC7v8iPCFwWRhamyRuT4vyWYhK+k8gW+XXyQAEVTihkuaf6Sd9bklRyYeq6sHNammEM +0rsKVNPOwu2Nul15SMPVtwXq68csJ23euuCXUV0OAw5ES5SWlJeLVHQ26EpJV6Hksf0bP0iR pNUBIj2Kmh4oYz5nMJatcFerZVTbbMBr7Jq2q6bSyLlZ5MUBUUqOp+wambyJwVrEQHwfIWqjB v3wZiMilcjerl9cwSqzrE4QUiS4nY8g6LYB2SSyfJByG1Vku6zrDOaCQCf3fA1qswa+nRaIL7 RVrVM14Oo+mxtHyK X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:23:40 -0000 On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:00:44 +0200, Victor wrote: > I'm risking to be hanged by the neck by my daughter! > Well the fact is simple and dramatic. My daughter had a > usb external hd, formatted as Fat32 filesystem, where > she was keping all her jpeg photos. > Accidentally I used this same usb drive to copy the > FreeBSD-11.2-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img using the classical > > sudo dd if=FreeBSD-12.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img of=/dev/da0 bs=1m > > At the end of the process I became aware of the terrible > mistake and I've never used the usb hd to start Freebsd. > I wonder if I can try to recover the jpeg files from the > 'extinct' fat32 filesystem. Surfing the net I found many > solutions and I'm somewhat confused (photorec?). Before I will repeat my "famous list of magical recovery tools", let me tell you that the chances to recover files are nearly zero. The reason: Data that has been overwritten does not exist anymore. Overwriting data is very differerent from just erasing the FAT, or anything at the beginning of a disk. But depending on how the files are scattered across the disk, it might still be possible to recover something outside of the area where the FreeBSD image has been written to. FAT is known for fragmentation, so having files "at the end of the disk" is nothing strange. By the way, are you sure it's FAT? Who uses FAT today? In "Windows" land, external disks tend to be formatted with NTFS, so in addition to the following information, you might consider checking if tools from the "ntfsprogs" package (here: ntfscat, ntfsinfo, ntfsclone, ntfsfix, or ntfsundelete) could be usable. > In order to avoid the hanging, is there anyone of you experts > able to give me a useful hint for this specific case? Because the FAT is gone, you need to use recovery tools that process the disk as-is (read: block-wise, byte-wise, not caring for file information that isn't there anymore). Before you start, make sure you _never_ write to the disk you're trying to recover from. If you can, make an 1:1 image of the disk, and work with the image. But it's not a problem if you carefully follow the instructions, as none of them will write to the source for recovery. The tools I would suggest you make yourself familiar with will be marked with an arrow. Please understand that there is no "one size fits all egg-laying wool-milk sow one-click GUI program to undo all imaginable mistakes". Make sure that you understand what you're doing. Yes, this takes time, and you will learn a lot about file systems, extending and advancing your skillset. This is what people mean when they tell you to "learn from your mistakes". ;-) System: dd <--- Make copy if needed. fsck_ffs clri fsdb fetch -rR recoverdisk Ports: ddrescue dd_rescue ffs2recov magicrescue <--- Try this! testdisk <--- Maybe this! The Sleuth Kit: <--- In worst case. fls dls ils autopsy scan_ffs recoverjpeg <--- Or this. foremost photorec <--- Or this. fatback <--- Probably won't work. So here's an example procedure that you could adopt to the correct device names etc. - please read carefully and decide which steps you need. There are a few assumptions, but you will clearly recognize their value as placeholders. Also make sure you have sufficient disk space (usually 2 * disk size), where both the disk image and the rescued files will be stored; less is needed if you don't make a copy. And always apply: "First think, then act." ;-) This is how you can use MagicRescue: # cd /scratch # mkdir out # dd if=/dev/da0 of=disk.dd bs=1m # magicrescue -r /usr/local/share/magicrescue/recipes -d out/ disk.dd Or to directly read from the disk (which is no problem if the disk isn't mechanically defective, so there is no urgent need for a 1:1 copy): # magicrescue -r /usr/local/share/magicrescue/recipes -d out/ /dev/da0 Programs like TestDisk and PhotoRec are text-based dialog programs which explain the decisions and selections to be made. As always, consult the manpages if needed. Always remember: Even if you get the file data back, the FILE NAMES ARE GONE. If you need a tool that postprocesses the images and turns them into something timestamped (if the images contained EXIF data that could be used to get the timestamp!), contact me offlist to receive a script which does exactly that. As you can guess by now, I've been hanged several times, and now I know a little bit about data recovery. ;-) GOOD LUCK! I will finally attach the content of the file "ref_fs.txt" that was once part of TSK before they (in my opinion) stupidly decided to remove it from their locally installed documentation and put it into some online Wiki. There you will find the instructions needed to use TSK, the tool that - in worst case - will help you avoid the hanging. ;-) File System Analysis Techniques Sleuth Kit Reference Document http://www.sleuthkit.org Brian Carrier Last Updated: July 2005 INTRODUCTION ======================================================================= Currently, evidence is most frequently found in the file system. This is because it is non-volatile and remnants of deleted files can typically be found. This file will help one to use the low-level tools in The Sleuth Kit for a forensic analysis. This document is organized into small scenarios, which provide examples of how to use The Sleuth Kit. Most of these functions are automated with Autopsy, but they are here for reference and education. http://www.sleuthkit.org/autopsy The techniques used here apply to both UNIX and Windows file systems. TIME LINE ======================================================================= The steps from the timeline Sleuth Kit Implementation Notes are followed (using both ils and fls) and you notice some interesting activity from unallocated inodes, namely MFT Entry 5035 from image c_drive.dd. To display the contents of this file, use "icat": # icat images/c_drive.dd 5035 | less NOTE: To prevent your terminal from getting messed up, pipe all output of "icat" through a pager like "less". SEARCH ======================================================================= In this scenario, we will search the unallocated space of the "wd0e.dd" image for the string "abcdefg". The first step is to extract the unallocated disk units using the "dls" tool (as this is an FFS image, the addressable units are fragments). # dls images/wd0e.dd > output/wd0e.dls Next, use the UNIX strings(1) utility to extract all of the ASCII strings in the file of unallocated data. If we are only going to be searching for one string, we may not need to do this. If we are going to be searching for many strings, then this is faster. Use the '-t d' flags with "strings" to print the byte offset that the string was found. # strings -t d output/wd0e.dls > output/wd0e.dls.str Use the UNIX grep(1) utility to search the strings file. # grep "abcdefg" output/wd0e.dls.str | less 10389739: abcdefg We notice that the string is located at byte 10389739. Next, determine what fragment. To do this, we use the 'fsstat' tool: # fsstat openbsd images/wd0e.dd <...> CONTENT-DATA INFORMATION -------------------------------------------- Fragment Range: 0 - 266079 Block Size: 8192 Fragment Size: 1024 This shows us that each fragment is 1024 bytes long. Using a calculator, we find that byte 10389739 divided by 1024 is 10146 (and change). This means that the string "abcdefg" is located in fragment 10146 of the "dls" generated file. This does not really help us because the dls image is not a real file system. To view the full fragment from the dls image, we can use dd: # dd if=images/wd0e.dd bs=1024 skip=10146 count=1 | less Next, we will identify where this fragment is in the original image. The "dcalc" tool will be used for this. "dcalc" will return the "address" in the original image when given the "address" in the dls generated image. (NOTE, this is currently kind of slow). The '-u' flag shows that we are giving it an dls address. If the '-d' flag is given, then we are giving it a dd address and it will identify the dls address. # dcalc -u 10146 images/wd0e.dd 59382 Therefore, the string "abcdefg" is located in fragment 59382. To view the contents of this fragment, we can use "dcat". # dcat images/wd0e.dd 59382 | less To make more sense of this, let us identify if there is a meta data structure that still has a pointer to this fragment. This is achieved using "ifind". The '-a' argument means to find all occurrences. # ifind -a images/wd0e.dd 59382 493 Inode 493 has a pointer to fragment 59382. Let us get more information about inode 493, using "istat". # istat images/wd0e.dd 493 inode: 493 Not Allocated uid / gid: 1000 / 1000 mode: rw------- size: 92 num of links: 1 Modified: 08.10.2001 17:09:49 (GMT+0) Accessed: 08.10.2001 17:09:58 (GMT+0) Changed: 08.10.2001 17:09:49 (GMT+0) Direct Blocks: 59382 Next, let us find out if there is a file that is still associated with this (unallocated) inode. This is done using "ffind". # ffind -a images/wd0e.dd 493 * /dev/.123456 The leading '*' identifies the file as deleted. Therefore, at one point, the file '/dev/.123456' allocated inode 493, which allocated fragment 59382, which contained the string "abcdefg". If "ffind" returned with more than file that had allocated inode 493, it means that either both were hard-links to the same file or that one file (chicken) allocated the inode, it was deleted, a second file (egg) allocated it, and then it was deleted. The string belongs to the second file, but it is difficult to determine which came first. On the other hand, if "ffind" returns with two entries where one deleted and one not, then the string belongs to the non-deleted file. As previously mentioned, Autopsy will do all of this for you when you do a keyword search of unallocated space. DELETED CONTENT ======================================================================= To view all of the deleted file names in an image, use the "fls" tool. For all deleted files, use the '-r' flag for recursive and '-d' flag for deleted. # fls -rd images/hda9.dd | less d/d * 232: /TEMP-823450 r/d * 293: /TEMP-131100 This shows us the full path that the deleted files are located. On some systems, such as Windows NTFS, the file content may be recovered (depending on how much system activity has occurred). On other systems, such as Solaris UFS and Linux Ext3, deleted files can not be easily recovered. The number at the beginning of the line is the inode number. The '*' shows that it is deleted and the 'd' and 'r' show the type (directory and file). The first letter identifies the directory entry type value (which does not exist in all file system types) and the second letter is the type according to the inode. In most cases these should be the same, but it may not for deleted files if the inode has been reallocated to a file of a different type. If we do an "istat" on the directory (232) we will notice that the size is 0. # istat images/hda9.dd 232 inode: 232 Not Allocated uid / gid: 0 / 0 mode: rwxr-xr-x size: 0 num of links: 0 Modified: 08.23.2001 21:52:33 (GMT+0) Accessed: 08.23.2001 23:05:39 (GMT+0) Changed: 08.23.2001 21:52:33 (GMT+0) Deleted: 08.23.2001 23:05:39 (GMT+0) Direct Blocks: Linux does this to all of its deleted directories. It should also be observed that no block addresses are shown in the "istat" output. This is because the size is 0 and the program thinks that the address is bogus. Using the '-b' option of "istat", we can force it to output the block address. With Linux Ext3, the block pointers would be 0, but Linux Ext2 kept the old addresses. # istat -b 2 images/hda9.dd 232 inode: 232 Not Allocated uid / gid: 0 / 0 mode: rwxr-xr-x size: 0 num of links: 0 Modified: 08.23.2001 21:52:33 (GMT+0) Accessed: 08.23.2001 23:05:39 (GMT+0) Changed: 08.23.2001 21:52:33 (GMT+0) Deleted: 08.23.2001 23:05:39 (GMT+0) Direct Blocks: 388 0 Now we can examine the contents of block 388 and see the file names that were in that directory: # dcat -h images/hda9.dd 388 | less MANUAL UNIX FILE RECOVERY ======================================================================= A UFS/FFS or EXT2FS/EXT3FS file system is organized into groups. Each group has its own inodes and blocks to store data in. When a new file is created, it is given an inode in the same group that the parent directory inode is in (if there are still inodes available). When a new directory is created, it is given an inode in a new group. An inode allocates blocks from the same group that its inode is in. When recovering a file from one UFS or EXTxFS, the group layout can be used. When a deleted file is found with 'fls', notice the inode of the parent directory: # fls -r images/hda1.dd d/d 30789: doc + r/r * 0: doc/.a/ssh.tar + r/r 30792: doc/.a/install <...> We want to recover the 'ssh.tar' file and notice that the parent directory is 30789 and the deleted file has a cleared inode pointer. To identify the group that it is in, the 'fsstat' tool is used: # fsstat images/hda1.dd FILE SYSTEM INFORMATION -------------------------------------------- File System Type: EXT3FS <...> Group: 0: Inode Range: 1 - 15392 Block Range: 0 - 32767 Super Block: 0 - 0 Group Descriptor Table: 1 - 1 Data bitmap: 2 - 2 Inode bitmap: 3 - 3 Inode Table: 4 - 484 Data Blocks: 485 - 32767 Group: 1: Inode Range: 15393 - 30784 Block Range: 32768 - 65535 Super Block: 32768 - 32768 Group Descriptor Table: 32769 - 32769 Data bitmap: 32770 - 32770 Inode bitmap: 32771 - 32771 Inode Table: 32772 - 33252 Data Blocks: 33253 - 65535 Group: 2: Inode Range: 30785 - 46176 Block Range: 65536 - 98303 Data bitmap: 65536 - 65536 Inode bitmap: 65537 - 65537 Inode Table: 65540 - 66020 Data Blocks: 65538 - 65539, 66021 - 98303 <...> The inode is in the range of inode addresses for group 1. To search for the deleted file, we extract the unallocated space using 'dls': # dls images/hda1.dd 32768-65535 > output/hda1-grp1.dls If we wanted to extract all of the data for the group, we could use 'dd': # dd if=images/hda1.dd of=output/hda1-grp1.dd bs=4096 skip=32768 \ count=32767 Where, the fragment size is 4096 (which can also be found in the 'fsstat' output). Either of these images can then be analyze for keywords or using other data carving tools such as 'foremost'. This process allows one to reduce the amount of data that must be analyzed. http://foremost.sourceforge.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 2002-2005 by Brian Carrier. All Rights Reserved CVS Date: $Date: 2007/12/18 22:43:30 $ -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 19:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A610108326A for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:42:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail2.protonmail.ch (mail2.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5040962F7 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:42:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:42:29 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: keysym list for French chars Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20180915191011.GA20001@sh4-5.1blu.de> References: <4801daa5-ecbe-42f5-8095-f8d5628131a9@unixarea.de> <20180915184645.GA8305@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180915191011.GA20001@sh4-5.1blu.de> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.protonmail.ch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:42:38 -0000 > > You can remove ydiaresis and ae as they do not appear in any > > French word (I am French native speaker). > > THanks. Only ydiaresis and ae, or also Ydiaresis and AE? > (I am German native) Ydiaresis and AE too. You can probably also remove many other symbols in the capital form. For example, I can not think of any word starting with a capital =C3=A7; indeed, my keyboard (an Italian keyboard, I am also Italian native speaker) offers me the possibility to write it only in non capital form. However, it might be easier to always keep both the capital and non capital forms: for example one might want to write a big title such as "LE=C3=A7ON 1", which is quite ugly without the capital =C3=A7. Lorenzo Salvadore. 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FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: fr-FR X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:49:48 -0000 Le 15/09/2018 à 15:01, Lorenzo Salvadore via freebsd-questions a écrit : >> Anyway, here is what I do (and comments ar welcome): >> >> Frensh tilded chars (use Mode_switch + char) >> >> ============================================= >> >> == >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 0x40 = Mode_switch" >> >> == >> >> key: a -> a A à À >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 38 = a A agrave Agrave" >> >> key: s -> s S â  >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 39 = s S acircumflex Acircumflex" >> >> key: d -> d D æ Æ >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 40 = d D ae AE" >> >> key: c -> c C ç Ç >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 54 = c C ccedilla Ccedilla" >> >> key: e -> e E è È >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 26 = e E egrave Egrave" >> >> key: r -> r R é É >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 27 = r R eacute Eacute" >> >> key: t -> t T ê Ê >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 28 = t T ecircumflex Ecircumflex" >> >> key: z -> z Z ë Ë >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 29 = z Z ediaeresis Ediaeresis" >> >> key: i -> i I î Î >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 31 = i I icircumflex Icircumflex" >> >> key: k -> k K ï Ï >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 45 = k K idiaeresis Idiaeresis" >> >> key: o -> o O ô Ô >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 32 = o O ocircumflex Ocircumflex" >> >> key: l -> l L œ Œ >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 46 = l L oe OE" >> >> key: u -> u U ù Ù >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 30 = u U ugrave Ugrave" >> >> key: v -> v V û Û >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 55 = v V ucircumflex Ucircumflex" >> >> key: y -> y Y ÿ Ÿ >> >> ================== >> >> xmodmap -e "keycode 52 = y Y ydiaeresis Ydiaeresis" > You can remove ydiaresis and ae as they do not appear in any > French word (I am French native speaker). > > Lorenzo Salvadore. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" æschne, æthuse, tænia (although the two latter can be spelled with an eacute instead of an æ) to name a few. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 20:05:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2DA1083AE8 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [IPv6:2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BDAC96B5F for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from localhost by mail.inka.de with local-rmail id 1g1GoV-0006FU-25; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:05:07 +0200 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w8FK362n092026 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:03:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w8FK36bV092025 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:03:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Re: keysym list for French chars Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:03:06 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4801daa5-ecbe-42f5-8095-f8d5628131a9@unixarea.de> <20180915184645.GA8305@sh4-5.1blu.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:05:08 -0000 On 2018-09-15, Lorenzo Salvadore via freebsd-questions wrote: > You can remove ydiaresis and ae as they do not appear in any > French word Y with diaeresis is exceedingly rare; it appears in a few proper names. AE ligature appears in a few Latinate terms, e.g. cæcum. I agree that you won't encounter these in an introductory French course, but had I left them out, some other nitpicker would now complain about their omission. > (I am French native speaker). Then you can read this: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_fran%C3%A7ais -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 15 20:19:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815CC1089148 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:19:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04E1497168 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:19:18 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: keysym list for French chars Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4801daa5-ecbe-42f5-8095-f8d5628131a9@unixarea.de> <20180915184645.GA8305@sh4-5.1blu.de> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mail.protonmail.ch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:19:32 -0000 On Saturday 15 September 2018 21:53, Corpo wrote: > =C3=A6schne, =C3=A6thuse, t=C3=A6nia (although the two latter can be spel= led with an > eacute instead of an =C3=A6) to name a few. On Saturday 15 September 2018 22:03, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2018-09-15, Lorenzo Salvadore via freebsd-questions freebsd-questions@= freebsd.org wrote: > > > You can remove ydiaresis and ae as they do not appear in any > > French word > > Y with diaeresis is exceedingly rare; it appears in a few proper > names. AE ligature appears in a few Latinate terms, e.g. c=C3=A6cum. > I agree that you won't encounter these in an introductory French > course, but had I left them out, some other nitpicker would now > complain about their omission. > > > (I am French native speaker). > > Then you can read this: > https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_fran=C3=A7ais I was wrong, forgive my ignorance in my own language. Thanks for the lesson. Lorenzo Salvadore. 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