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Date:      Sun, 3 Mar 2002 22:50:43 -0600
From:      "Justin L. Boss" <jlboss@yahoo.com>
To:        Kenneth Wayne Culver <culverk@wam.umd.edu>
Cc:        "Brian T.Schellenberger" <bts@babbleon.org>, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: NVIDIA  3D FreeBSD Drivers
Message-ID:  <20020304045220.08EB737B404@hub.freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0203032343010.17428-100000@rac3.wam.umd.edu>
References:  <Pine.GSO.4.21.0203032343010.17428-100000@rac3.wam.umd.edu>

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I know KEn, I just wont people to see that they are impeding FreeBSD not 
helping.

On Sunday 03 March 2002 10:45 pm, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote:
> Well, I don't think this has anything to do with Microsoft. Some people
> just don't like the idea that this driver isn't going to be open
> source. They think it's akin to prostitution to actually want a company to
> release a closed source driver. I just want to be able to turn on my
> computer, start up quake 3, and play. I don't care who wrote the drivers,
> and if nvidia writes the drivers, it's that much better because they're
> known for writing fast drivers for their hardware.
>
> Ken
>
> On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Justin L. Boss wrote:
> > Thanks Kin. Sometimes I get the idea the micro soft has their people
> > subscribe to this list just to try to undermind what we are trying to do
> > for FreeBSD, don't you.  We just need to keep making sense and I think
> > the message will get through.
> >
> > On Sunday 03 March 2002 08:53 pm, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote:
> > > > I don't think I'm missing your point, I just disagree with it.
> > > >
> > > > Instead of fighting for FreeBSD I'd rather fight for open source
> > > > software, and the nvidia Linux "solution" is to include Linux in
> > > > their closed-source world.  You want them to include FreeBSD in their
> > > > closed-source world as well.
> > > >
> > > > This seems more like betrayal to the cause than fighting for the
> > > > cause to me, and I, for one, am not going to fight for that.
> > > >
> > > > A petition for them to release their information so that FreeBSD
> > > > *and* other O/S's could take advantage of their hardware--*that*, I
> > > > would support.
> > > >
> > > > But not this.
> > >
> > > So let me get this straight... You would rather wait for something that
> > > is never going to happen than see usable 3d drivers come out for
> > > FreeBSD. This is unrealistic. Nvidia is legally unable to release
> > > source for their drivers, and I think we should be happy that they want
> > > to support FreeBSD at all. There is no legal or moral obligation for
> > > them to release specs for their cards or open-source drivers. The fact
> > > that they are releasing drivers at all is enough for me (and most other
> > > people that actually want to USE the 3d support that they paid for.)
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > > On Saturday 02 March 2002 11:05 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > You are all missing the point. This is for 3d hardware support
> > > > > first of all. I'm using a G-Force2 now and it work just fine for me
> > > > > too, with out 3d support. It is also about letting people know how
> > > > > many people use FreeBSD, its about letting hareware and software
> > > > > vendors know that they need to be writing drivers, application and
> > > > > games for FreeBSD because so many people use it. I don't like linux
> > > > > and I do not like comparing FreeBSD and linux because FreeBSD
> > > > > towering over linux in every way. But one thing I will say is that
> > > > > linux users are willing to fight for linux . That may be one of the
> > > > > resons why linux is more popular then FreeBSD. It sure isn't
> > > > > because linux is better. Someone will say "theirs no games for
> > > > > FreeBSD that use 3d acceleration yet" and I say "their won't be
> > > > > until it can support it". You can't put the horse before the buggy.
> > > > > No one can say for sure that FreeBSD will be around forever.  I
> > > > > sure the FreeBSD team would say if it wasn't for our contbution
> > > > > when we get the four set cd-rom for $29-$39. If we didn't donate
> > > > > our money they would have to close down. I can't be sure but it
> > > > > takes money to make the world go round ask Enron. And the more
> > > > > vendors that support FreeBSD, the more people will use FreeBSD, the
> > > > > more money will come in and the faster freeBSD will grow and the
> > > > > more we will benefit. I just woke up so if this is screw up sorry
> > > > > but you get the just.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sunday 03 March 2002 03:19 am, Benjamin Krueger wrote:
> > > > > > * Brian T . Schellenberger (bts@babbleon.org) [020303 00:26]:
> > > > > > > On Saturday 02 March 2002 10:09 am, Justin L. Boss wrote:
> > > > > > > > I know not everone uses FreeBSD for a desktop but if you like
> > > > > > > > FreeBSD and are interested in seeing it become one of the
> > > > > > > > most successfully OS ever and you think you will ever use it
> > > > > > > > as a desktop and like to have 3d support then take a minute
> > > > > > > > and go to http://nvidia.netexplorer.org/petition.html and
> > > > > > > > fill out the petition. It is your OS, fight for it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why not just avoid nvidia entirely?  Or fight for public
> > > > > > > release of the specs instead of trying to get FreeBSD added to
> > > > > > > the list of "blessed" OS's like Linux and Windows.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Avoid proprietary solutions and venders of hardware that are
> > > > > > > unwilling to work  with open-source code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unwilling, or unable? As I've heard, they will not release specs
> > > > > > because they cannot release specs as per licensing contracts for
> > > > > > their technology. This hardly seems like a damnable offense to
> > > > > > me, especially considering it helps them build excellent
> > > > > > hardware.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for the matter of not having support for NVidia cards under
> > > > > > FreeBSD...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > Section "Module"
> > > > > >         Load  "extmod"
> > > > > > 				Load  "xie"
> > > > > > 				Load  "pex5"
> > > > > > 				Load  "glx"
> > > > > > 				Load  "dri"
> > > > > > 				Load  "dbe"
> > > > > > 				Load  "record"
> > > > > > 				Load  "freetype"
> > > > > > EndSection
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > Section "Device"
> > > > > >         Identifier  "Card0"
> > > > > >         Driver      "nv"
> > > > > >         VendorName  "NVidia"
> > > > > >         BoardName   "GeForce2 MX"
> > > > > >         BusID       "PCI:1:5:0"
> > > > > > EndSection
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My NVidia card works fine under FreeBSD for me.
> > > > >
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