From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 14 15:01:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF9E237B0F for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 15:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=NkWe=4C=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from orval.bbpf.belspo.be (orval.bbpf.belspo.be [193.191.208.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48JxRg0hb8z3DMs for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 15:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=NkWe=4C=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from x1 (unknown [77.109.101.182]) by orval.bbpf.belspo.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DDE511D4FC0D; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:01:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:01:40 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200214150126.GA1219@x1> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48JxRg0hb8z3DMs X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=NkWe=4C=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be designates 193.191.208.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=NkWe=4C=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.45 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[perdition.city]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.208.191.193.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-3.05)[ip: (-9.09), ipnet: 193.191.192.0/19(-4.54), asn: 2611(-1.60), country: BE(-0.02)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=NkWe=4C=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2611, ipnet:193.191.192.0/19, country:BE]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=NkWe=4C=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 15:01:52 -0000 On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 09:16:00PM +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 12:16, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > > > Not to start a flame war. A purely technical question: what > > > technological advantages does the modern FreeBSD have over modern Linux? > > > > Sorry, but I find this sort of a chalk vs cheese kind of comparison. > > Of course not. When deciding what to use in the next project, you have > to advocate your choice in front of your superiors and colleagues, and > your presentation should be well backed up with technical arguments. > > When I advocate FreeBSD over Windows, for example, there are some very > clear and easily defendable technical and economical advantages (open > source, absence of viruses, BSD license - just to name a few). It is not > so easy with FreeBSD vs Linux. > > For example, the absence of Docker (or analogous technology) for FreeBSD > is a huge disadvantage. We need to name really superiour features to > make up for this shortage. ZFS, bectl, pf, MAC, ports and poudriere, jails, VNET, GEOM, development model (current -> stable -> release), BSD license, reviewing process (https://reviews.freebsd.org/), simplicity and clarity, documentation, linux binary compatibility, rctl, Dtrace support, ... Of course nothing is perfect (12.0-RELEASE was a very problematic release for us due to the various iflib issues and PR 236220), but from experience FreeBSD is a lot easier to manage and maintain than any of the Linux-es I used, especially if you deploy everything with (VNET) jails, ZFS, and a custom poudriere repository (branch based) (For Docker I honnestly never understood all the fuss, you can achieve the same thing with jails and something like Saltstack, so it's not at all an "huge" disadvantage to me) > > > > You start making comparisons, then you have to list all possible Linux > > distros, etc, you know the drill. > > In fact, there is quite a limited number of Linux distros to be > considered for use in production, maybe 3-4, and they are not that > different in their capabilities. Other distros are too exotic or geeky. > > -- > Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN > 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced.