From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Sun Mar 28 18:44:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F3A5A9F36 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 18:44:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maciphone2@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42d.google.com (mail-wr1-x42d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F7l3j5n3wz3CsC; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 18:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maciphone2@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42d.google.com with SMTP id x16so10628264wrn.4; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:44:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=fCGWHWln0B8O9DyreySclLn3zyH6E4R421bEMtLuqBQ=; b=FZowgI1mG8yA6VIQqeZvgZhIiHCKj2ualx4wjtyZ9Jb5HiSoZFye/mf6u0FXz+1Gpi CcvGjBqF5+cl3GYnY7OaIcHpHgRgx0fbPH12+UGPZ8vdUTyFjr1kKiR8lO4d7XRK7Kil hZi7Pe0cFXP9zatv1Ee5t+xAruKThMBmTnojycD6J4QY156UW6nxEetJVFevDg9cdzKt xDClPSXafARcDnK1l9n4A4oq3Z8TIdr7GJeYJ56j99jHy7F48Pa87O+INpQmhn0PMfTq Mzsgiz1wLUFd/tjdbkXvdVh6huO+xfNAfeLITHSeW3D4jhf5VJjbAvO8wTD4fw2fyJI/ pqyA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533jYchUAKr0pfRFtmRNu2WhdYr4S1FrdQAbH4RiwWXOQMzklFYE epIvE8/2WuHYY6Xth7piDrCT9eOrWKw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyqEtaO0cNcc/ORG6zQEg9EctlcZCHmwEABxUPbRBvk0Q8cHoE4Ab5ijC8gKtIFilZEI/nKfw== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5007:: with SMTP id e7mr7700735wrt.10.1616957040013; Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.167] (dynamic-046-114-157-239.46.114.pool.telefonica.de. [46.114.157.239]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m132sm21153013wmf.45.2021.03.28.11.43.59 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Klaus_K=C3=BCchemann?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Subject: Re: Any good alternative to Raspberry for Arm64? Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 20:43:57 +0200 References: <21BE83BC-0667-44F7-83E4-1664A2BC6017@icloud.com> <32656ebc0189f47eb98d538b559fc7a15c6fee37.camel@freebsd.org> To: Ian Lepore , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <32656ebc0189f47eb98d538b559fc7a15c6fee37.camel@freebsd.org> Message-Id: <4F449CAA-F542-4D85-8669-538A8AAF6FF5@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F7l3j5n3wz3CsC X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[46.114.157.239:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 18:44:02 -0000 > Am 28.03.2021 um 19:13 schrieb Ian Lepore : > =E2=80=A6.. Virtually any alternative arm64 system that > runs freebsd at all is a superior choice over the Rpi family. =20 :-), 2 years ago I would have said that you=E2=80=99re right=E2=80=A6. = the times they are a changing , scoobidoo... > Anything > else will have better support from the freebsd developers including, > especially, the professional developers who are paid by companies to > support freebsd on arm/arm64. your paid colleagues support aarch64 in general, RPI4 is aarch64. You vastly underestimate your other colleagues who developed special = rpi4-drivers&hacks ! > Nobody is paying anybody to support > freebsd on rpi, and consequently all you get in the way of support is > half-baked theories and anecdotal reports from other people struggling > to use an rpi with freebsd. Rpi4 is "full-baked=E2=80=9C-supported :-) , 8GB RAM, genet, pcie(USB = 3.0) , Supports JTAG, netboot etc. , it never crashed for me the last = months/years. While some drivers still missing, that=E2=80=99s also the case for other = boards. As a =E2=80=9Epower to serve=E2=80=9C-cheap-board it`s fully supported, = no problems (since the beginning of the 1st cpu-hack)! > If you're looking to save every penny possible and are willing to put > up with endless frustration and things not working, get an rpi. If = you > want a usable arm64 computer that runs freebsd, get anything else. >=20 you mean the missing documentation-frustration? While there=E2=80=99s even a little docs available, but e.g. Crowston = didn=E2=80=99t need docs, he used JTAG :-) Ha Ha=20 For still missing drivers the documentation is in other BSDs or = tux.(e.g. genet -driver was based on other BSD-driver). I didn=E2=80=99t save every penny, have RK3388, RK3399 and some other = archs, even Risc-V. None of the other boards can be considered as =E2=80=9ESMOOTHLY=E2=80=9C = working because of paid developers, Long list of examples available , but that`not the topic. Some people(and developers) didn=E2=80=99t understand the closed source = environment of rpi-firmware. ( and other things like u-boot,eeprom)... That=E2=80=99s why we are here and do support the RPI4 by full-baked = theories, anecdotal reports, mystical patches and extraordinary = configuration-hints. Ha Ha :-) Regards K.