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Date:      Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:05:51 +0200
From:      Gerhard Schmidt <schmidt@ze.tum.de>
To:        "Steve O'Hara-Smith" <steve@sohara.org>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: No Extended Support Version right now?
Message-ID:  <483341c7-9494-8fbc-e981-5cc31c211d32@ze.tum.de>
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From: Gerhard Schmidt <schmidt@ze.tum.de>
To: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <483341c7-9494-8fbc-e981-5cc31c211d32@ze.tum.de>
Subject: Re: No Extended Support Version right now?
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Am 09.08.2018 um 13:41 schrieb Steve O'Hara-Smith:
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:48:19 +0200
> Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it> wrote:
>=20
>> Unfortunately it seems "extended support" is gone, so no further relea=
se=20
>> (11.x or whatever) will be such.
>=20
> 	Given that 11 will last five years and it is likely that 11.<last>
> will come out well within that period I would say than N.<last> is as L=
TS
> as it gets.

Sorry didn't get what you tried to say.

I don't see that 11.<last> will be out that much before the 5 years are
up. FreeBSD tends to do releases long after the next major is released.
10.4 got released 1 month after 11.1.

Even if that will be so in the future right now we have the problem that
we have to upgrade all systems currently running 10.4 to 11.2 and the
ones already running 11.1 two because 11.2 is the only release out there
with more then 3 month support.

I never updated to a Version before least 2 Month (mostly I waited 3
Month) after the Release to be sure every minor issue was fixed. Now i
have to go to mainly unproven releases just to stay supported for
Security updates.

Let's go to the future. FreeBSD does a new major release every 2 to 3
Years and does a minor release every year. Even if the don't do a minor
after the new major is released, you have a maximum of 2 years on the
last release. And at the end of that period the latest release of the
new Major isn't there yet. So you have to update again to a release that
only has roughly a year and 3 month of support left.

I the past we updated mostly when the new extended support release was 3
to 6 month old. The new model gives no way of knowing if the version I'm
updating to, will be supported for longer than 1 year. So nobody can do
a serious resource planning other than planning an update every year.
This raises the cost of using FreeBSD considerably.

Regards
   Estartu




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