From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 10 15:05:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338F3106D7B0 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:05:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from schmidt@ze.tum.de) Received: from mail.ze.tum.de (mail.ze.tum.de [IPv6:2001:4ca0:2e03::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.ze.tum.de", Issuer "Zertifizierungsstelle der TUM" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADE688EB43 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from schmidt@ze.tum.de) Received: from [192.168.71.66] (ppp-93-104-177-22.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.177.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ze.tum.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w7AF5sgf051023 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:05:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from schmidt@ze.tum.de) X-Authentication-Warning: hades.ze.tum.de: Host ppp-93-104-177-22.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.177.22] claimed to be [192.168.71.66] Subject: Re: No Extended Support Version right now? To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180809124130.f0137d22f0634f289f0cf4c3@sohara.org> From: Gerhard Schmidt Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=schmidt@ze.tum.de; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFTtbnsBEACvr5ttOqLgbNfYsyObXlg3/FMYKxujqRgYx3EDJ6bkb1bl3KSkMSQDyvb/ P/T1hHNt/K6e2RxN6IgtCcLt4y8b6PW3i9XIK6/JBf1DCw3P+r7hKsW+R54d30hTHbIglQLc Q20EXX806LvXgZU/P6ny2jMikvd5B9IgrpxLUMrWB9jO2yJCvEYrKSFjGgRnl5kjz93Cp8+E 61Un9YdNDCoDA+M8bpOAy6H8rWHap+qIR+eHb0Tl5KwgFiEMty1uRvQrVtJHWM2EaaavlebC I/JZshy0CNOC8CXdYxbH4IhKCY6/bCWH2+hGaLpzULu9Zwh4SnTqOe4P773Mk5oUVFhLEhnK mQb/3VPGi5eA8FcRaSenNMjUa4nrD0nBUUSu9FZZEW0Pru1OVbvR00vhHKmwu0Q8XAJvhlxK JKcRlyq46Xkf5eBDS/I2Z/BY7XBmenLULSXOcAS1ChjAGocuuMEnNUx3xcVO5FIyhI241aOD ePGZcJddhIlnlFtMYF7vBgdHU0tnyjrbLjCMblnA+sXhXDYNCzI/rI1z7wKgUW2fuw1SmWTT TyeTCaXkLVqtTesIGMKgrD1kJ3zEysRpy3k4piOw7mJpyPjmBOgbZck4ck5pR2G49V2FDaa3 tpd6r3Xv9+pUX86M58PGJqnUyF5DuRaPPYf50T7Zfgy0+rsRzwARAQABzSNHZXJoYXJkIFNj aG1pZHQgPHNjaG1pZHRAemUudHVtLmRlPsLBegQTAQgAJAIbIwULCQgHAgYVCAkKCwIEFgID AQIeAQIXgAUCVO16iwIZAQAKCRB00kPMRXANo6/ID/9yu6YrkBib996NK6fRvu7PcnjINxi8 BSGknDoHsxxygWTetPTsH1ePDN5aIkSYWNcrUFyi1+Wx3phdEOgUSTaJc/59dhbixzArmZ+p B67M0y3LxO7tkBsbOAYglO5DgpCcol/wFat2bILlPCUfzYYqUmEog3gpRUss/bMCwhRQpk+J 7Bm/kyGZHhWg74p1WW5GUqRTbRqSBumXg/wnV81f8L38v2MyWO9eqz/L8PFGHvs+t50S0Z0Q 3mVu6ko+czzFNAPWcKduVeuoeKK6HXFuPRH8VUGwEZYBAjTLMjbEaNF/vmqsIF7dIFWHa79P ETpvYVY5Rreb4Jkx0Rrn8ddus/m7tTReHLFYLNRjSTL8BTWaG6DhEUzC2oFfXCDFw9HCeF/6 v9xH7YzvKtz2U8oYqHyE5UD7UBJ851b+LZF+nXnESuqW/OjVbf+0mGpKe5Xvs6PBTVPjttoR nkmEroaChj0eWIYsNq6JyKXM78JxZCRpPqmCzxXDUPBS9U3WqLJi5L798ZKNQIT2210tETIM pWHaF8rsYtYSB2QKTsrVAh9Hy18tMB4EhVH2G5sRVUlQ15gOBd87ues2qZdg5Wte3dFJzeTl s5cEdNf8t/yEnDWOO+grZJW1SrcbXHUNhadQq2qHOIY188g/emMRtrCXjU8AcQ8pQir1LIJq J8L+3s7BTQRU7W57ARAA3N2qMrRqGkq6Qhp/N8jcbQwmPTlcfd0s/BjsSsz2V4Ix5FGB5Xgz 3nAprPczKvEpJBkDCtdoNA+lUvxNRIurtottpdcPgjDk5zYjafMr65YgPMQAiuMHh0jGQsw4 n70v2zrNU/E8Thb7lxpKPAsHFYs98kP5cxX1V4+g71uo7lYEH3NXWVYFg65n3+qYsIAi2cAW eKRjD4ftZUOU55eG6VnJtQNtchjzJEPCwIDcPtz3toiPsz2zGNSbiPmp8TnGI94sdVhKUF4f 6S51s4N7BGLP2CYSdL0WoLSiXTenNpBVmlT3NZfv8qxcbXmNhqYw9E6F/Uvwn3i2ILHRCs2g Avf1fFICfCOf56dkQEhk1k1/05g9oZeDaMGrKBL/mEOzkJDOMB1/N2Yng0HJwfHuTqMxHfZ1 sinUbnRQ9KoR+RWTKLxq/X7uAi38fLum/FAZgyyOsXK7eoUuEIdf8X2eJWxZE99v0i5PfcDb xKEwzwqECybIT/3HK0eRF0qFx1Wq46jNUju8/lcSiLauCptWbZYdv9lpbZDTU+GvmxILuyv3 MwbF5FsEQunEooyq/grX+3etAO8cuCor4wPasrZXCfwNqjENPNnRuckzI94PEN3AQTZvFPUm Q7RVue0ejf5lc+Y20HrWpvCv2vxIjkMARxd8s2dNyfrdyNUs3xp+JiEAEQEAAcLBXwQYAQgA CQUCVO1uewIbDAAKCRB00kPMRXANo3nwD/98G+MfI3hNN3A8SGL/1VqZeVRNTSK/zzZ9NeoS 6Afq8fz7eq9e1E1XUYVU8hS6i+PEDM7XiI3rtt9V1T8H2cBa6O1tq9DwQODFa3l9d57o/X+V DOKM3Ug3u46DflBX06zkBBX1Ug9axDy8MlEEC2IbeBChBEnWjkM+jwdX8dg1t3cDwrWYVfwE FRtpMOQOERTqqtWd9xe/diiIpjqKmpkO9EOzMFVODH2uRaDSZ4dae5uhblMciP/RH9KqlJAJ I2yQ/KUrfp69QvRRB2S9cfL4ib3iaDAyhTSB00Ke7Wsm578L/sa5pmNKu+gB9qNWQeRAknPp /UeVzJzvcg09XmS7gIwtPB+axJbge4XtZddavrMwHpUGSQUBJLLBGO1Lt3/MkZmv9xvlmwbs iBnGnkNHgQYgSWPrkTqN/D00RWkmOWs4MuQ3XAF1+eKNT7Q/lWlCRwRSurb8m4ykafq3odU0 0TwbilyqzzlgS2DEldqrcTG0gM6mmClEqS6ba2L9VVQrRs8Bcbj9z3wHagBijY59ZvsPiVPv iGtRX1p2RPBmBQ+JzwHWzdjM2IVMGy/D2KMnpXwdOJGmE3Voj1UlGzpOjZYA83Tyzuz0eq4s 2jq9e/6dzT//btjh3Qd1arAgnwA/oXR4tmjTSvxivP4kiJtR20ky1KVqEGPVkgfJAGcOoQ== Message-ID: <483341c7-9494-8fbc-e981-5cc31c211d32@ze.tum.de> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:05:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180809124130.f0137d22f0634f289f0cf4c3@sohara.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5KxKSrZev5LGSu5BK7JUJFy5iQ9Eh7orX" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:05:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --5KxKSrZev5LGSu5BK7JUJFy5iQ9Eh7orX Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="RC3gAJ4NZxk1MW1BPFr1Vgu4R4BGSvf2P"; protected-headers="v1" From: Gerhard Schmidt To: Steve O'Hara-Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <483341c7-9494-8fbc-e981-5cc31c211d32@ze.tum.de> Subject: Re: No Extended Support Version right now? References: <20180809124130.f0137d22f0634f289f0cf4c3@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20180809124130.f0137d22f0634f289f0cf4c3@sohara.org> --RC3gAJ4NZxk1MW1BPFr1Vgu4R4BGSvf2P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 09.08.2018 um 13:41 schrieb Steve O'Hara-Smith: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:48:19 +0200 > Andrea Venturoli wrote: >=20 >> Unfortunately it seems "extended support" is gone, so no further relea= se=20 >> (11.x or whatever) will be such. >=20 > Given that 11 will last five years and it is likely that 11. > will come out well within that period I would say than N. is as L= TS > as it gets. Sorry didn't get what you tried to say. I don't see that 11. will be out that much before the 5 years are up. FreeBSD tends to do releases long after the next major is released. 10.4 got released 1 month after 11.1. Even if that will be so in the future right now we have the problem that we have to upgrade all systems currently running 10.4 to 11.2 and the ones already running 11.1 two because 11.2 is the only release out there with more then 3 month support. I never updated to a Version before least 2 Month (mostly I waited 3 Month) after the Release to be sure every minor issue was fixed. Now i have to go to mainly unproven releases just to stay supported for Security updates. Let's go to the future. FreeBSD does a new major release every 2 to 3 Years and does a minor release every year. Even if the don't do a minor after the new major is released, you have a maximum of 2 years on the last release. And at the end of that period the latest release of the new Major isn't there yet. So you have to update again to a release that only has roughly a year and 3 month of support left. I the past we updated mostly when the new extended support release was 3 to 6 month old. The new model gives no way of knowing if the version I'm updating to, will be supported for longer than 1 year. So nobody can do a serious resource planning other than planning an update every year. This raises the cost of using FreeBSD considerably. 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