From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Aug 7 10:32:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from ipcard.iptcom.net (ipcard.iptcom.net [212.9.224.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0516237B40B; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vega.vega.com (dialup13-2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.9.229.2]) by ipcard.iptcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21464; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:32:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (big_brother.vega.com [192.168.1.1]) by vega.vega.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f77HVnp71971; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:31:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <3B702630.3549A569@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 20:32:32 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,uk,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Akinori MUSHA Cc: portmgr@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org, nakai@FreeBSD.org, dr@domix.de, demon@FreeBSD.org, gnome@FreeBSD.org, mi@aldan.algebra.com, ijliao@FreeBSD.org, andreas@FreeBSD.org, roman@xpert.com, greg@hewgill.com, jedgar@FreeBSD.org, jmz@FreeBSD.org, samy@goldmoon.org, dirk@FreeBSD.org, kanou@mil.allnet.ne.jp Subject: Re: Introducing USE_BZIP2{CMD,LIB,RUN} and BZIP2BASE References: <200108071056.f77Aut564297@vega.vega.com> <8666bzkdls.wl@archon.local.idaemons.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Akinori MUSHA wrote: > > a) provides smooth deorbiting path for archivers/bzip2 port; > > It doesn't make sense. How can you call your stub port strategy > "smooth deorbiting"? ;) The plan is: we provide stub until there is significant demand for using latest ports collection on not-so-stable machines (4.3 before bzip2 MFC and down). Eventually we just delete the stub and remove obsolete LIB/RUN_DEPENDS from ports tree. > [...] > > 2) past experience shows that there is a significant resistance for > > removing support for obsolete options from bsd.port.mk (think about > > USE_NEWGCC, USE_PERL5 etc.) > > No rumors, please. We could drop them RIGHT NOW if we want. Ports > Collection no longer officially supports legacy systems like 3.x, and > making those variables nops wouldn't hurt anything. It aren't rumours, but people's psychology. We've seen it in past and I sure will see in the future. Each time we are trying to get rid of them somebody pops up, who for some very solid reason can't upgrade but need an up-to-date ports collection, so after some maillist spammage we deciding to keep it for another couple of months. For example we still have some rudimentary support for aout in our bsd.port.mk, while 2.2.x is even more obsolete and unsupported than 3.x. This explains my resistance to introduction of another set of would-be-shortlived-bsd.port.mk-options. -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message