Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 17:43:57 +0000 From: Carmel NY <carmel_ny@outlook.com> To: FreeBSD <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on HP Computer that is using software RAID 5 Message-ID: <SN1PR20MB2109AE36981AA4407E1CE4F2808E0@SN1PR20MB2109.namprd20.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <61b4143c-1991-805e-4b4e-8ddb3c20b032@FreeBSD.org> References: <SN1PR20MB2109CC11BEFFA9383FDCA406808C0@SN1PR20MB2109.namprd20.prod.outlook.com> <20190102222619.c63f20f0.freebsd@edvax.de> <SN1PR20MB2109B69D2E6B7E9E5C6C0087808D0@SN1PR20MB2109.namprd20.prod.outlook.com> <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1901031243160.25281@mail.fig.ol.no> <SN1PR20MB2109D5A7EAFFFD226B85293D808D0@SN1PR20MB2109.namprd20.prod.outlook.com> <6d05c736-8020-4963-fe29-3e6bd9110fe3@FreeBSD.org> <SN1PR20MB210964F5AA73DB24FF0CA079808D0@SN1PR20MB2109.namprd20.prod.outlook.com> <8a1d9b31-8dc7-753c-8d37-1eed2d0bd06a@FreeBSD.org> <SN1PR20MB2109BED976DBEE2EFA4A850C808D0@SN1PR20MB2109.namprd20.prod.outlook.com> <fcfedf7b-4ce5-5157-60c7-2f50bcf694f3@FreeBSD.org> <SN1PR20MB210918B0A8CD8367518477CD808E0@SN1PR20MB2109.namprd20.prod.outlook.com> <61b4143c-1991-805e-4b4e-8ddb3c20b032@FreeBSD.org>
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 16:59:46 +0000, Matthew Seaman stated: >On 04/01/2019 13:52, Carmel NY wrote: >> According to my FreeBSD PC, the latest version is "12.0-RELEASE-p1". >> I have scoured the FreeBSD website; however I do not see a >> downloadable ISO available for the version. So, unless I am >> mistaken, I would have to install the Stable version and then >> upgrade. Personally, and I mean no offense to anyone, but I find >> that to be total "BS". Obviously, your opinion may differ. =20 > >Ah... Patch levels are not releases. That is, for an errata or >security fix they do not regenerate the entire set of release images >and put them on the website. So, yeah -- you'll find installer images >for FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE but you will then need to apply the patches >to get to 12.0-RELEASE-p1 > >The reason for that is principally because the pN patch levels are=20 >mostly used for security fixes, and it's important to get those out >PDQ.=20 > The process of building all of the installer images simply takes too=20 >long. Indeed, there was an occasion fairly recently when a pretty=20 >serious SA came out pretty much in the middle of building the release=20 >bits, and the upshot was the release was delayed a week or so and=20 >eventually came out as X.Y-RELEASE-p1. > >Also be aware that the terminology 'stable' means something completely=20 >different to most FreeBSD people than the way you're apparently using=20 >it. '12.0-STABLE' is a development branch which is called STABLE=20 >because it is meant to run stably, not because it doesn't change. >This is a different usage to much of the rest of the world. What can >I say? The FreeBSD project does things a bit differently, and it isn't >going to change the way it has been doing stuff for the last 20+ years >just for the sake of conformity to some else's arbitrary nomenclature. I inadvertently used the term "STABLE" when I meant "RELEASE". Sorry about that. Interestingly enough, I have had users who are not using some form of *nix tell me that the terms seem counter intuitive. Stable would seem to indicate a final version where release would seem to be something that was not yet quantified as stable. By the way, and nothing personal, but your claim that "installer images simply takes too long" in invalid. It reminds me of the old adage, "There is never enough time to do it right, but there is always enough time to do it over." If you cannot do it right, hire people who can. Unfortunately, I have to deal with individuals at work all the time who find excuses for doing slipshod work under the pretense that it takes to long to do it correctly. I usually fire them. In any case, nothing is going to be resolved here today. Thanks for your time. > Cheers, > > Matthew --=20 Carmel
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