Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 13:54:54 +0200 From: Ulrich =?utf-8?B?U3DDtnJsZWlu?= <uqs@spoerlein.net> To: Gleb Kurtsou <gleb.kurtsou@gmail.com> Cc: mdf@freebsd.org, Ali Mashtizadeh <mashtizadeh@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Heavy I/O blocks FreeBSD box for several seconds Message-ID: <20110717115454.GG8485@acme.spoerlein.net> In-Reply-To: <20110712214049.GA12290@tops> References: <20110707015151.GB71966@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <CAJ-VmongFDGi0amaqod5_NBQcH%2BguA5QMXtttCjTD=ccB==%2BUQ@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MVv-YpttXWYnvraR3PT9nh9P1AWMxoXJPevMRhNt4cr5g@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmokC%2BpzoB_x31UGSNt2oRLXfzOK9aXhCMR3FBm7iGEyaAQ@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MXVdQfYEBNb9OLnt7CudiBRdvaq3Cd_HXBC8ZrCpmRFvg@mail.gmail.com> <4E1B67C7.8040402@FreeBSD.org> <CACqU3MW==-XAVxAAoUTuU4CWdzc2isFTu6nnUKRTbnvHF7wLow@mail.gmail.com> <CAFL8=th=M2wnszAzfMERJ3NyFGSaHmdrPbTBVn5PKvZ1DHpCJw@mail.gmail.com> <CAMBSHm9TwOfaY=1TPce-NTukg=oobaqXDx=eAoGJFYWgn4yNuA@mail.gmail.com> <20110712214049.GA12290@tops>
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On Wed, 13.07.2011 at 00:40:49 +0300, Gleb Kurtsou wrote: > On (11/07/2011 16:36), mdf@FreeBSD.org wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Ali Mashtizadeh <mashtizadeh@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Maybe someone can setup something like reviewboard [1] for developers > > > to use. This may also help folks who want to keep abreast of the > > > current work in a particular subsystem or get involved into the > > > development process more. At my company we use reviews and it seems to > > > help the catch some bugs and help new engineers ramp up faster. > > > > > > [1] http://www.reviewboard.org/ > > > > FreeBSD development is completely open; anyone can sign up for the > > svn-src-* mailing list they are interested in, including > > svn-src-head@. Code reviews are plenty as well; just check the list > > archives for discussion of bugs, poor design choices and unintended > > effects. But most reviews are silent and after-the-fact by looking at > > the list mail. It's a system that seems to be working just fine for > > the FreeBSD project so far. This isn't a job for most anyone; it's a > > volunteer project and so anything that raises the barrier to getting > > work done for the project should be looked at with skepticism. > > I agree with everything said above and think that it's not reviews > that's missing. By review I don't mean something like getting "ok to > commit" reply from N developers before committing. svn-src@ works > great for it, commits keep getting reverted :) Review is a time > consuming process that also requires certain level of expertise. > Volunteer project can hardly afford it. > > Having a project adopted way of sharing work in progress will be a step > forward. Yes, I'm aware of perforce, it's to hard to use and wasn't > designed to share and test ideas. I think guthub can be a very good > candidate (but AFAIK it won't allow hosting of FreeBSD repo for not paid > accounts). I'm not suggesting switching to git as VCS, but using github > UI for communication and tracking not yet commited or work in progress > changes. In ideal world developers will merge patches from each other > increasing chance of a good code to survive and get commited later. > Currently we have patches hosted at people.freebsd.org, as attachments > on maillists and PRs -- almost all stale or outdated. Key difference of > github is that original patch author will be aware of you using it, > potentially updating and improving it. Others can continue supporting > the patch if original author abandons it, etc. Sending patches is too > complicated and counterproductive comparing to github. Yes, I fully agree, that's why https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-head exists today, but hasn't been advertised yet (I need to write documentation and can't force myself to do it :( Feel free to start using it! Together with the git-svn metadata that you can grab from repos.freebsd.your.org it makes a solid platform for working on FreeBSD code. Uli
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