From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Aug 26 10:42:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BB61070EA0; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:42:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22b.google.com (mail-it0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D4047A737; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:42:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id p16-v6so7128931itp.1; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 03:42:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Tkp9PepJttBCiS8JZcHevQE5tZPsx+AhTrGI24qLOOM=; b=PDeNJ15faEL6pCaGZlStjbYM2goNBZ0/RUcsO/YcIq3yg28wFKfU1HefKrVjlqnavo dY2e0ZH+0xLowGpw+a12BiyzH57YHnaryLa8DrpWHriqH76eDvdBxK6lzhieuER7ef1E fanrmJnWNZkOoh35O4TAigcFNAl+O13EqWL2M1pv9juJaHc4+RAcj7m0vbmPOKObgx4x CJvuBoPySxPjQK9tXXA0Feaxz+icDJ/SVQz0f2sViVa/XcgaId4CKATgZr43c+TzEKkL I21R5kLJ8Oidq97GrTMWqX92t4zsGAjKbXzT5cwglh25xxEqtvk1Ub6b5ZHunHCMYWHP xKCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Tkp9PepJttBCiS8JZcHevQE5tZPsx+AhTrGI24qLOOM=; b=Zktf5WdKSVaa+QGNX1lP+aBsFOMRExvynbAg0sehI/kg19qQwsVY+Uk0yep/Ym3Z85 1jPUgA7wYJ5FGAko6Br6Ha9ZTTiovkW6qc1V6aeYBc0Ge/scG9NV+nCV1Y+cZ22PiyqE mr4IYGt9YAJ79UNxGrsGag2dvSTkBnEKS7tBpWbiC47qLCJDF1oIj9tBr4pGR/CAmT/f I3JquMUKQGKJuYiIjKjqqvNMYO6XSnYhB3EMudP91we/rptTYoOad25Z6PLtPvsJLzSN HDzBrv/1nGuDhyONxPNKCwJw9FaeHRb+q+VX0LVjIIIE+J/PGO//MhvzJeVihbi7HX09 lcow== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51ABWKj9VOYUbwlBENuVoafM/kaf9OTBxaB9Iq3DVfLtv7vc4mpB BtnBFsQau9ajSqSCbghhM0ulaJkJqoG1c8YhnUg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZEXp58m0JXdOuj2EhgZoDgujzPZ0HcxLWtpl140k/M6LHvDJ3ynNXAl/0cFZPfMhgF3YwejXdGPfWH7osx/aQ= X-Received: by 2002:a02:1643:: with SMTP id a64-v6mr6867800jaa.133.1535280120561; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 03:42:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <86k1oepbdr.fsf@next.des.no> <180f8f99-5fa1-1411-59e6-856e3ebc370c@cameron.net> In-Reply-To: From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:41:48 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 To: Hans Petter Selasky Cc: pmcnary@cameron.net, Johannes Lundberg , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, mmacy@freebsd.org, Ali Abdallah , FreeBSD current , =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:42:01 -0000 On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:32 PM Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On 8/26/18 3:20 AM, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > Have you or anyone working on this drm-legacy-kmod stuff done any > testings > > of how this will affect current users? > > Hi Blubee, > > Are you here to try to stir a conflict? > If so that is not appreciated. > > --HPS > Hans, you of all people should know that's not true. I would think that trying to sneak in code during a code freeze that would break the release. Forcing the core devs to revert those changes and having to dust off old policies to try to keep you guys in check is what's stirring up conflicts, but hey; what do I know? It's really sad state when capable engineers are so obsessed with something that they cannot see the forest for the trees. Try to step away from the canvas and look at the big picture. If you don't mind me asking, Hans care to answer these questions below? 1) Take a [test] system with the current graphics stack installed and working. 2) Apply your patches to remove the drm from base to create a port 3) update the working [test] system after applying your changes How does your changes affect a [test] system that is already up and running? Have any of you guys tried that? Do you have any documentation on how it'll affect users. You guys want to remove things from the current system but you come with; it works for us hobbyists. Where do users go to get steps to do all of this stuff? You've repeatedly said what you want to do sure, but have you tested it?