From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jul 11 00:52:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA23345 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA23286 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA09305 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:51:49 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA11928 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:51:49 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA14365 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:26:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199607110726.JAA14365@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Some recent changes to GENERIC To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:26:56 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199607102033.OAA24839@rocky.mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Jul 10, 96 02:33:43 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Nate Williams wrote: > > I will fully support this opinion as soon as we have pageable kernel > > memory. > Huh? The kernel that we used to ship vs. the kernel we know will ship > (unless Jordan changes his mind) is only different by at most 1-2 > pages. We haven't gained the end-user anything significant and caused > him more trouble. I wrote this earlier. My argumentation was about recommending the use of the GENERIC kernel vs. a customized one. Right now, people using GENERIC are wasting all the space for the various network adapter drivers they don't use, and many people also waste space for the drivers of the SCSI subsystem. > And, I think the average user would be willing to 'waste' a 100K or so > to not have to take up 40MB of disk space for his own custom kernel, > which requires sys and usrsbin sources. For an 8 MB machine, the difference in the kernel size should be quite notable. For a larger machine, it's certainly moot. The cost for compiling the kernel is 20 MB. You don't need usrsbin in source form. As long as you never *upgrade* your kernel sources, the default /usr/sbin/config is always appropriate. We should make it easier for the people to build from the kernel source tree on the second CD-ROM. This way, they only have to make the space for the .o files available. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)