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** Pivotal Perspectives Newsletter- focus on Swift
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**
Developer Michael Demetriou wanted to hear other developer's perspectives=
 on Swift=2C the new programming language from Apple.    Michael wanted to=
 know  "Do we need yet another programming language?"
------------------------------------------------------------
The answer?   Most of you said no!


Comments:

Yes:

I think apple is on the right path. A new=2C improved=2C more "modern" pro=
gramming language was much needed.

For me Swift is the reason to start iOS development

Swift is what modern C++14 could be with the ugly bits cut off and the dan=
gerous C backwards-compatibility removed.

I think apple is on the right path. A new=2C improved=2C more "modern" pro=
gramming language was much needed.

No:

The part of not having to add brackets around conditions within if=2C whil=
e=2C for and switch controls makes me feel uncomfortable to program in.

Typical Apple hype=2C you can't trust their statements about performance

While it's great that Apple realizes people aren't happy with the oddball=
 specialty language Objective C=2C creating yet another oddball specialty=
 language is not the right answer.

How does
Swift compare to Objective C?

A lot more dynamic and just the change we need to continue the world of iO=
S development

More ideas taken from modern scripting and functional languages compared t=
o objective c which didn't advance much further than c/c++

This programming language like Objective C=2C but easier. This programming=
 language like scripting language.

Way better than objc. The syntax is great and modern. it combines almost a=
ll the best things from other existing languages.

It is less consistent and semantically buggy.

Just based to the free ebook. It is more like Ruby than OBJC. Yes its nota=
tion is pretty short=2C but there is nothing wrong with readable OBJC nota=
tion.


Quite different. Muti-paradigm (generics=2C OOP=2C functional). Compiler-t=
ime checking=2C type inference=2C tuples... A modern language at last! I l=
ove ObjC but also wanted to learn a new language

Better=2C very different but still inspired by objective c. A lot of rules=
 to keep things clean=2C sometimes seem arbitrary. Very feature rich but c=
ompletely different feel. Still learning


Better readability. Code is much easier to understand


It is big difference is its dynamic way of not taking care of the memory.

Swift is dramatically safer both from offering type-safety and better func=
tional programming. It has the potential to be a much faster language.


It is simpler. It reduces the amount of files. But also makes you lazy wit=
h parentheses and semicolons which is problematic when switching to anothe=
r language (platform).

Terse. Optional types are a big plus. Some changes seem to reduce the numb=
er of keystrokes at the risk of introducing confusion=2C i.e. break; now i=
mplied in switch statements. The big risk is that Apple can't deliver. Alr=
eady in the Xcode beta process we have seen Swift changed=2C Introducing t=
his at WWDC was probably premature and should have been kept until the lan=
guage spec was nailed down. I know lots of developers who are interested i=
n Swift but who would laugh at the idea of doing real work in it. And nobo=
dy I know thinks Apple can make it a serious mainstream language in under=
 six months.

Here is Chris Gibbs from Apple talking about the value of role of Swift. (=
click on the image to play the youtube video clip)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVv2zJErQt84

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From: Mario Lobo <lobo@bsd.com.br>
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:59:32 +0200
Micha=C5=82 J=C4=99drzejczak <jedrzejczak.michal@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>=20
> Thanks for info about compiling bash on old systems.
> I have compiled newest bash on FreeBSD 6.3/7.3 with 28 patches now..
>=20
> But on FreeBSD 6.1 I have this bug  http://pastebin.com/rD1uAute ,
> maby anybody can help ?
>=20
> FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p10
> pkg_info |egrep "bash|libic"
> bash-3.1.10_1       The GNU Project's Bourne Again SHell
> libiconv-1.9.2_2    A character set conversion library
>=20
>=20
> Regards
>=20
> 2014-09-30 19:29 GMT+02:00 Mario Lobo <lobo@bsd.com.br>:
> > Thanks :) !
> >
> >
> > 2014-09-29 21:56 GMT-03:00 Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net>:
> >
> >> On 9/29/2014 5:36 PM, Mario Lobo wrote:
> >>
> >>> for i in $(jot -w %03d 25); do
> >>> for i in $(jot -w %03d 25);do patch -p0 < ../bash43-$i; done
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>         there are 27 patches now.
> >>
> >>         ---Mike
> >>
> >> --
> >> -------------------
> >> Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400
> >> Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net
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> >
> >
> >
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Humm ... looks like bash is importing functions that do not exist on
probably on the 6.1's libiconv.

What I would try to do is to copy the port directory for libiconv from
one of the 6.x machines where the compilation of bash worked and try to
build it on the 6.1 machine.

--=20
Mario Lobo
http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE)
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"UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things,=20
because that would also stop you from doing clever things."



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