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Date:      Wed, 2 Apr 2014 19:57:03 -0700
From:      Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
To:        Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@nsu.ru>
Cc:        michael <michael@rancid.berkeley.edu>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Garrett Wollman <wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Subject:   Re: Leaving the Desktop Market
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No wifi.

Someone has to step up and "own" broadcom wifi or this will never change.


-a


On 2 April 2014 18:44, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@nsu.ru> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 06:40:18PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>> Hmmm.  I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the
>> desktop since, well, before it was called FreeBSD.  It's still my
>> primary platform for nearly everything (except photo management, which
>> drove me to a Mac laptop so I could run Lightroom, and those few
>
> There are a few alternatives to Lightroom available in Ports Collection,
> you might want to give them a try one day.
>
>> remaining Web sites that still bury all their content inside Flash).
>
> That's easy: Flash sites should be avoided.  Most of them are using this
> technology for showing stupid ads anyway, not for something useful.  I
> still recall a friend of mine actually *loved* that his iPhone does not
> support Flash: it essentially enabled (ad|spam)-free Web browsing (alas,
> those fuckers had caught up since then).
>
>> But let's be clear that different people have different requirements
>> for a "desktop".  My requirements are relatively simple: twm, xterm,
>> XEmacs, vlc, LaTeX, xpdf, a Jabber client (psi), $VCS_OF_CHOICE,
>> gnucash, and at least two Web browsers (I use Opera for most stuff and
>> Firefox for "promiscuous-mode browsing").  [...]
>>
>> Other people have rather different requirements, and that's OK.  But
>> let's please not break the applications for which FreeBSD is very good
>> now (and has actually gotten substantially better).
>
> Application availability does not, unfortunately, round up some perfect
> desktop.  I fear that Linux-centric development of hardware drivers, X.org
> and all that shit is getting more and more divergent from FreeBSD, and
> soon enough we'll get the situation I haven't seen for some 15 years: we
> are again far behind on modern HW support.
>
> Power-saving techniques, most notably working sleep-resume and competitive
> batter life are also our weak points at the moment.  I'd like to replace
> my old laptop (which runs 8.4-STABLE almost perfectly), but how far can I
> go with, say, recent MacBook Pro?
>
> ./danfe
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