From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 31 22:01:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE5F16A4DA for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:01:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@childeric.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAC743D45 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:01:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@childeric.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7fph-0004iX-VC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:01:53 +0100 Received: from [82.35.115.93] (helo=[192.168.10.60]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G7fph-0001Ei-Cm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:01:53 +0100 Message-ID: <44CE7DD0.9070902@childeric.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:01:52 +0100 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060417) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20060728164526.E27679@ganymede.hub.org> <87slklj9hu.fsf@photon.homelinux.org> <20060729021007.F27679@ganymede.hub.org> <44CD41EC.6030605@freebsd.org> <20060730233839.I27679@ganymede.hub.org> <44CDAA98.3030702@freebsd.org> <44CDE02F.4090604@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <44CDE02F.4090604@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:01:56 -0000 Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > Colin Percival wrote: > >> > Counting portsnap and cvsup accesses is non-intrusive - i.e. nothing > sent from local host - will count systems from any version of FreeBSD, > but will never count everything because sites with multiple hosts may > easily have local propagation mechanisms. But you will get an order of > magnitude. However, how do you deal with systems with variable IPs? I > don't know enough about the internals of either portsnap or cvsup to > know if there is some kind of unique id associated with hosts. If not, > then you'd wildly over count for many home-based, variable IP systems. Maybe not so many, my non-static ip hasn't changed since I signed up 3 years ago despite turning off the modem for the odd day or two. Another network I look after also hasn't changed in a year. Chris