From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 18 19:07:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18E7106566B for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arthurbarlow@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913938FC0A for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so4119971iyb.13 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:07:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UqT7SvJFt8agrPaaYOAPDBY6507mwGkoO+rl/NhVXb8=; b=ejycE+bsvcGl3cvxDIcZrSfvQ7FFqnCAdcT5HATZ6zKB/CT1RBi1DiFGtiuqSDY5Xo fCP11gdFmKzjtyLTThZHjMEKWGEChvordmVjrGfF+b7Act1vsP6MP5VHJ46uRZSeMktv NBnrwKMYC8dvZ2JLm0EvDnDxirFwa1B4siu0w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.146.129 with SMTP id j1mr2299011icv.173.1311016044385; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.146.19 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:07:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: Arthur Barlow To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:07:25 -0000 > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:00:49 +0200 > From: Jerome Herman > Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <4E242071.9050204@dichotomia.fr> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed > > On 17/07/2011 15:02, "C. Bergstr=F6m" wrote: >> =A0On 07/17/11 07:43 PM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: >>> Op 17-7-2011 14:17 schreef Subbsd: >>>> community decreases. It is a pity that many developers of FreeBSD have >>>> left in Apple, the small part works over {NET,OPEN,DRAGONFLY}.BSD but >>>> as a whole it already absolutely small small groups of people. >>> And do you feel this will be the end of FreeBSD? >> I doubt that *BSD will *end*, but at which point does lack of usage >> make an OS irrelevant? >> >> 1) Is it used in production? =A0If so does it serve a critical role? >> 2) What commercial support options are available? =A0(Also what popular >> commercial/proprietary software are available ) >> 3) How well is it keeping pace with existing sw and hw technologies? >> 4) How focused and productive is the development community? >> >> I have some personal views on the above, but I consider *BSD severely >> lacking in a few areas. =A0(No I can't personally help and only kick >> these questions off from the sidelines) >> >> Software typically exists to solve a problem. =A0What problem is *BSD >> trying to solve? =A0If something serves a purpose then there should be >> no denying it's future relevance. > The problem *BSD is trying to solve (in my humble opinion) is reliable > long term maintenance, from developers and sysadmin point of view. > Linux frequent API/ABI breaks makes it a real hell to maintain. And the > ever changing method of configuration/ever moving location of > configuration files doesn't help. > > =A0*BSD are stable in every sense of the word. > > This of course implies that there are a lot fewer "advanced" features in > BSD than in Linux (by advanced I actually mean hyped). But then again > most of these features end up in the rubbish can with Linux. SE-Linux ? > Realtime ? Hal ? Containers ? You do not want to look in what state they > are in. And you hardly want to learn how to use them as the entire thing > is very likely to change completely before 6 months are passed. > > Jerome Herman > Amen!! I'm sick and tired of Linux people reinventing the wheel five or six times with very little if any benefit to the end user. Thank goodness for more sensible *NIX types with BSD.