Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 19:54:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Valeri Galtsev" <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: "Polytropon" <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: "Tomasz Rola" <rtomek@ceti.pl>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The recommended LaTeX port? Message-ID: <55706.108.68.162.197.1534726486.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20180819180519.1f3a6928.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20180819134150.GA18805@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180819161317.9bfdac7f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180819150555.GA2423@tau1.ceti.pl> <20180819180519.1f3a6928.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Sun, August 19, 2018 11:05 am, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 17:05:55 +0200, Tomasz Rola wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 04:13:17PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: >> > On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:41:50 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> > > Dear Colleagues, >> > > >> > > Which is *the* \LaTeX distribution for FreeBSD currently? >> > > >> > > I remember last time I needed \LaTex around a dozen years ago, I >> used >> > > the teTeX port, but cannot find it now. >> > >> > This is currect, teTeX has been discontinued. The consensus >> > is to use TeXlive which is in FreeBSD ports, but is offered >> > for many other platforms, too. >> > >> > >> > >> > > Cyrillic support is crucial, direct output to PDF is very desirable, >> > > dependency on GUI libs and tools is not desirable. >> > >> > With TeXlive, you have the same tools (and more packages) >> >> In particular, pdftex and pdflatex are part of my TeXlive >> installation. Although I would probably try a bit more traditional way >> first, i.e. latex -> dvi -> dvips -> some ps2pdf converter, I have no >> idea which "ps2pdf" is better/best. There is also dvipdf. Manpage for >> pdftex mentions problems with including *.eps figures and *.ps files, >> if you want to use those, they need to be converted to pdf files >> first. > > The pdflatex command seems to be the most convenient > tool to create PDF files Well, as far as I know TeX in general and TeXlive incarnation in particular, there two mutually exclusive ways to include pictures in TeX. One of the ways is: adding pictures in one of the image formats (such as jpeg, png, tiff, etc), then you can use pdflatex command to produce PDF file. Alternatively, you can include images in EPS (Encapsulated PostScript) format, then you typeset with command latex, that will produce dvi file, which you can further convert as it is said above. I hope, this helps. Valeri > (which are used quite often). > For a more precise control in pre-print / print, the > toolchain as described above works very good. > > > >> Disclaimer: I only used pdftex in a simple converter script, >> scrambling many jpgs into one pdf file, so I have no other real life >> experience with it. > > For that specific tast, you can use convert (from ImageMagick), > if you don't need any specific resize / rotate / border / > annotation / description / file information / bar code / > page number / ... features. > > > >> A practical note: I tend to have bigger latex documents in multiple >> files (one chapter = one file) and keep it organized via >> Makefile. This can help a lot if one has to convert files, recompute >> datas and redo plots few times a day. > > I also use the approach to (ab)use Makefile to control > processing and output for bigger projects - only things > that _need_ updating will be updated, like images or > texts. You can automate a lot of stuff during pre-print > stage; even a "make install" to upload result files is > possible. :-) > > > >> [...] >> > On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:53:46 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> > > I forgot to mention that I've tried a couple of online editors like >> > > https://www.sharelatex.com/ but they all lacked Cyrillic support >> > > miserably (Cyrillic characters either did not show in the compiled >> > > output, or showed as mojibake). >> > >> > Just use a normal editor inside a terminal that can input >> > and display cyrillic letters. Even ye olde xterm can do it. >> > Make sure you set your environment variables correctly, >> > i. e., en_US.UTF-8. >> > >> > I have no idea if LyX, the WYSIWYG variant for LaTeX, is >> > still available. Personally, I prefer YAFIYGI because it >> > works. >> >> Myself, I think for anything bigger than page of text, emacs is the >> ultimate editor (and I believe it can be setup to handle Cyryllic >> rather easily, but I have never done this). > > Tell _that_ to a vi person. ;-) > > > >> I also think that WYSIWYG >> is overhyped. A lot. > > Not only that, it results in writers (general term for all > people who create text) to concentrate on form where they > should concentrate on content. You can see that in almost > every piece of business documents (not just presentations). > LaTeX emphasizes the "what it is" over the "what it looks > like". Unlike word processors, LaTeX offers you to create > your own "semantic markup" where you can decide about the > style from the beginning or later on in a O(1) manner, > unlike the typical O(n) microformatting in word processors. > Yes, I know, those also have (limited) abilities to create > your own formats, but nobody actually uses that handy > feature. > > If you are interested in this topic, check the following > resources: > > Allin Cottrell: > Word Processors: Stupid and Inefficient > > http://cda.psych.uiuc.edu/latex_class_material/wp.html > > http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/wp.html > > Jeff Goldberg: > MS-Word is Not a document exchange format > > http://www.goldmark.org/netrants/no-word/attach.html > > And probably those too: > > http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/latex.html > > http://en.nothingisreal.com/wiki/Please_don't_send_me_Microsoft_Word_documents > > http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/oct/21/escape-microsoft-word/ > > > > In my opinion, the editor is one of the key elements of > good document creation. The _right_ editor depends on > your workflow, preferences, and experience. > > > >> Of course, using emacs means one has to >> periodically check the document (i.e. in my case, run make or make >> view) - which is inevitable anyway, because there might be some bug in >> a WYSIWYG editor which would only manifest in compiled document. I >> guess it is less problematic if one goes into straight LaTeX markup >> from the start. > > The more you use LaTeX, the better you are able to > "render in your head" (just like you can imagine > what the computer will do when you write a program). > This can be more efficient than using WYSIWYG, > especially when you _don't_ get what you see. :-) > > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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