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Date:      Tue, 6 May 1997 15:25:32 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Jaye Mathisen  <mrcpu@cdsnet.net>
To:        Tom Samplonius <tom@sdf.com>
Cc:        dennis <dennis@etinc.com>, Tim Tsai <tim@futuresouth.com>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: if_de.c ????
Message-ID:  <Pine.NEB.3.95.970506152506.1963O-100000@mail.cdsnet.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.3.94.970506135218.7199G-100000@misery.sdf.com>

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Fine.  Whoever Peter is, send me an address and a DE500-AA 21140-AC PCI
card will be in Fedex within the hour.

On Tue, 6 May 1997, Tom Samplonius wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 6 May 1997, Jaye Mathisen wrote:
> 
> > While I rarely agree with dennis, he's dead on with this one.  I bought
> > 30-40 de cards for my 25 or so servers, now only to find it apparently a
> > dead-end driver, and the Intel card being the card-de-jour (or however
> > that's spelled).
> 
>   The driver is not "dead-end".  It just hasn't been updated for a while.
> It just has problems with the new 10/100 cards.  In fact there are patches
> floating about for all of this stuff, but no one has done the integration
> work yet.  In fact, Peter has worked on the de driver, and the
> ifconfig changes that are required, but has no de card to test on.
> Volunteers?
> 
> > And so I'll start purchasing intel cards, and 8 months from now, the
> > Novell NE2000 cards will be the hot card to have.
> > 
> > I fell prey to this once with Adaptec cards and FreeBSD.  I'm at my
> > patience limit with FreeBSD sometimes.
> 
>   The adaptec cards work great.  Some of the ahc driver revs have been
> bad, but lately very good.  I've got a 2940 based moderately loaded server
> with 189 days of uptime!
> 
> > It's like FreeBSD is always at this "80%" useful stage.  It always seems
> > to be burning up 10 hours of time a week just kind of keeping the whole OS
> > all together.  Every upgrade seems to break something that worked fine
> > before.  Significant features don't seem to work when really stressed.
> 
>   I don't see this at all, but perhaps I deploy FreeBSD a bit differently.
> I have a devel machine that cvsup things to, then do a build, make sure
> things work ok, then NFS mount /usr/src and /usr/obj elsewhere to upgrade 
> all other systems.  I monitor the cvs commit lists to make sure I'm
> getting bits at the right time.  I've been doing this with the 2.1-stable
> tree for a long time, and have yet to be burnt.
> 
>   It seems that a lot of people moved applications over to 2.2.x systems,
> that would have been better off with 2.1.7.1.  2.2.x is currently at the
> stage where it works well for some applications and systems and poorly for
> others.  2.1.7.1 may no longer be "cool" with all the 3.0 snaps floating
> about, but it gets the job done.
> 
> > 
> > Jaye "Occasionally wants to throw the whole kit and kaboodle through the
> > wall, but is generally pretty happy with things" Mathisen.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Tom
> 




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