From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 14:49:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 256E0F0F for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x229.google.com (mail-ie0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEBF1137F for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id tr6so9911787ieb.28 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 07:49:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=l5mMMxltMi1hRKD37TdjAsBlqFwS7SCjbeBFZC45A+Q=; b=k71sA/NkUaxolxcokV18VUU3B9Kvzc3Xb/tzmSDGOU+XZTDzlTwomJRwvEzMrcP0ex 36piHyBqmON41Lqipeuj5DZo/E66z2gjxwtfcykVfZFkYWzq3NlOU/1800wu+tboIZVI YQTNIER72z36HZ14BqafYnz79Ncl88fGKALDrCyMfCcicJHEan1cLV2UgOzW8tmnOLr0 CNggxgVA73RUUwMbxbnXuUN7J3ZcX8pFEa3baxQULLhZ+q4/sdx+9CsPA0hypD2wNAi5 Dc1RillH2ds/pQ/nizcBovCjWO/pCEuzhp5mKiPbtM0TJIRcVZY3z+qSS7mBpown1z4J zO6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.212.146 with SMTP id gs18mr3256507icb.96.1409755752388; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 07:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.1.19 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 07:49:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <540723EC.5000908@sorbs.net> References: <20140901195520.GB77917@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <54050D07.4010404@sorbs.net> <540522A3.9050506@sorbs.net> <54052891.5000104@my.hennepintech.edu> <54052DFA.4030808@freebsd.org> <54053372.6020009@my.hennepintech.edu> <5405890F.8080804@freebsd.org> <20140902125256.Horde.uv31ztwymThxUZ-OYPQoBw1@webmail.df.eu> <5405AE54.60809@sorbs.net> <1D2B4A91-E76C-43A0-BE75-D926357EF1AF@gmail.com> <5405E4F5.4090902@sorbs.net> <5406BD65.705@digsys.bg> <5406ED34.7090301@sorbs.net> <5406F00C.6090504@digsys.bg> <358B9E99-5E02-47BA-9E30-045986150966@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <540711FF.3050409@sorbs.net> <47F4AAAA-2D88-4F03-8602-880C4B129305@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <54072011.7030800@sorbs.net> <540723EC.5000908@sorbs.net> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:49:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool From: Tom Evans To: Michelle Sullivan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 14:49:13 -0000 On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Michelle Sullivan wrote: > Tom Evans wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Michelle Sullivan wrote: >> >>> I think portsnap should provide 'stable' - tested, known >>> working, security patched... >>> >> >> 100%, and as soon as someone comes along who is prepared to do and pay >> for that, I think we would all enjoy it. >> >> Unfortunately, someone like that doesn't yet exist, so it is >> unrealistic to just expect that infrastructure to be there. >> > > Well as I was one of the people trying to raise funds for FreeBSD (for > general stuff, not specifically this) and as $employer will *not* be > adopting FreeBSD now the chances of having such just reduced. > That's a fallacious argument; "if *someone* doesn't put the infrastructure in to place then *we* can't contribute more". This is what Linux distributions spend their money on; employing people to do infrastructure engineering. When a new release of httpd happens, people at Red Hat manually back-merge fixes to the version of httpd that is in their package repository. FreeBSD has volunteers who maintain the ports tree, they have no time to manually merge and test fixes, so when a new release of httpd happens in FreeBSD, the version changes and you get all the new features and bug fixes. So if you use FreeBSD, that infrastructure is not there; you need to do it in house. How tricky that is depends on the size of your house - Netflix have no problems, Yahoo have no problems, SMEs like the one I work for - problems. I'm not denying the problem; just that specifying what should or shouldn't happen with the ports tree is not productive if you aren't proposing to actually do it yourself. Cheers Tom