From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Tue Mar 15 16:54:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCF4AD252D for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 16:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from nm45-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm45-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 279861F03 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 16:54:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1458060426; bh=w1oTMssTLL1w+UldeuIpj6B8QmvdDlwUstD7Dcxhcj4=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=W1/fMyofblFNhSQXqdzZVa8qteCrSdIhSaG5AjJ8aqexj5EgPs+rFlzitm+yafGlghFHrbQAd6A+OIVrMTXvbSG1K80t8Yi7BZygaZaSiAx37D2mFVKNbglSV7aKs8vQBtXStOKBcBLDFN02LnRRb+WOQtX/vq+/nDBeu0VK4CgptoXQsKGfRh5+ImrmPlFaF+qbmkIneqMqQIqiChVoVekyns+JW6NeR/Ur6vKpHQzJgSakPw+KRLQIVqJkmnmLtV3dxzehmJ3F0HWzYWDYlm+iQc094q/kLfHvlEJabKnLkQk/amksoe6Q7BuPzyQet8ZB37AExBMF3gJJpZQHDw== Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm45.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2016 16:47:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.195] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2016 16:47:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2016 16:47:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 941725.13377.bm@smtp204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: cW22h94VM1mH36iZgGnstB47gBd2lvKpApRBKj8UwZck_Zx n6MlqB7mnHIvcxMckQQXFjLIXxhxlsFEBY6F.NoGumPojzjyh4pxoIitWQD_ _lW_T19J9h20L38xvjjuw_8q8fPF390UAXmY01unmbt8wynJaRt7n8QhjNnt fDJh9D6Hn4PS0Td.3ZBrNo8FYIJLUUAgvNgbJ5OW.7HDm73rHisrtsc94xMt gS8b6cEqmDEE3ZwznyUcMDfKd0XvA9Ff5U32brfkQ8OPfBQtlguuLLF2sFSi pNnzZHLF4KGBHgaI.XgeAbtvHSxJc6MqDn98koDBE3GZjPI6cuQbJsOQ1JvQ o68YHgMUHtHmtXng37DrozdP0M68E4SIZntf8kYpWyo9.Qd3SEpWlCNcimo1 hL1ngwSpAvSb9uo4wxAEL1RTmHh_7krjC_jAYoy1IV2KNo_Cmzt2h9A8tGvS Sv2hFkpYLtsyjRiWZuPEDNyFELSHtE5fL4VmnuvYpJgC3e7v3xVjDYrVLGLW AR2hPBlew8i7vIpEVXPAKoQDysDiLPHaxLw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: xcjD0guswBAZaPPIbxpWwLcp9Unf Subject: Re: Newcomers page To: hiren panchasara , FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20160314183148.GC26931@strugglingcoder.info> <20160315162356.GA21980@strugglingcoder.info> From: Pedro Giffuni Message-ID: <56E83CCB.6090903@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:48:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160315162356.GA21980@strugglingcoder.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 16:54:05 -0000 Hello guys; On 03/15/16 11:23, hiren panchasara wrote: > + pfg to see if he has any inputs as he works actively with newcomers. > > On 03/14/16 at 11:31P, hiren panchasara wrote: >> I see many kids (specially during GSoC time) come to hackers and ask: >> "I am very enthusiastic and know C/C++, xyz and completely new to FreeBSD >> but want to contribute. Where do I start? What should I do?" >> >> Is there a page which can provide answer to this question so we can >> point them to the page? >> >> I found >> https://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html >> >> It'd be nice if we could add: >> 0) -questions and -hackers maling-lists as starting point for help. >> 1) list of ircs that we hangout in on EFNet: bsddev, bsdmips, >> freebsd-gsoc, freebsd-git >> 2) bugzilla and how to search for interested keywords or bugs with patches >> 3) Ideas wiki page >> >> Just my 2c. > I think the webpages are pretty good. The issue, as for the GSoC, is that we are not being very effective about taking students by the hand and guiding them into considering a FreeBSD project. One issue is the visibility of the pages: we guide people into the Projects ideas Wiki, but we have no idea if these people know what FreeBSD is or how to make their background match what they should be looking at doing. The second issue is that most projects are too difficult for people that have no experience with a a unix-like OS or even just linux. It's probably too late to fix this for this GSoC but we need to sort this out. Pedro.