Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:06:41 -0600 (MDT) From: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com> To: Vincent Poy <vince@mail.mcestate.com> Cc: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>, Marco Molteni <molter@logic.it>, security@freebsd.org, "[Mario1-]" <mario1@primenet.com> Subject: Re: security hole in FreeBSD Message-ID: <199707301506.JAA04746@rocky.mt.sri.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.95.970730075056.3844r-100000@mail.MCESTATE.COM> References: <199707301449.IAA04613@rocky.mt.sri.com> <Pine.BSF.3.95.970730075056.3844r-100000@mail.MCESTATE.COM>
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> =)Ahh, but you assume that we haven't ever seen Vinny before. > =)Unfortunately, his behavior is 'typical', in that he wants us to do all > =)his research and work for him, rather than him spending the time to do > =)his own work. He also shows a complete lack of interest in finding out > =)solutions to his own problems. > > I have tried reading the docs and it sometimes fails so what would > you do? What docs have you read? What books have you read? > Since when have you dealt with me too many times over the last 2 > years, you have helped me exactly twice. Do you want me to drag out my archives and prove you wrong? > flaming. Most of the people here have more resources than I would which > is $$$ since remember I don't get paid to do this sysadmin stuff *SO WHAT*. Do you think I get paid to answer you? Do you think I've ever got paid to do any FreeBSD hacking? It's irrelevant. I'm not the person who claims he can read a 500 works/minutes, and who needs no sleep at night, and who also 'must have missed all 12 emails discussing the same problem in the mailing lists, even though I do read the lists'. You don't learn from anything *but* your own mistakes, and then don't try to come up with solutions, but rely on someone else to provide them for you. > and even > for the router, you are there physically, I am not so I need to verify > things before doing it as a precaution. I don't think you or anyone else > here never asked for help from others before. That's because I and most of the other folks do their research *first*, and then ask questions. You continue to whine and complain and show a complaint lack of interest in figuring out the solution, and would rather have someone spoon-feed you the steps in an easy to do solution Unfortunately, there ain't 'system administration for dummies', because because a sys-ad requires a broad-base of knowledge, and you with all your supposed talents don't take the time to do a good job. One thing that my family has taught me is that you end up with better jobs by going out of your way to do your current job well. By sitting on your duff and relying on people to tell you what to do, you'll never get ahead in life. I only wish you could understand this advice, and actually apply it. Nate
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