From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 6 04:25:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94464E26ACB for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 04:25:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x234.google.com (mail-vk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C5066DD2E for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 04:25:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id 126so9077905vkj.9 for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 21:25:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AqjWPSnPyidy5r9/xuVs1QHbAcxYIWX9i4VAiPgChR8=; b=aJUkrzJQRjD3OsMK8KxfB11TYSBAsbXN+3G/MzhbOcsSfATvaiHQYinXKcC0zKRTRm Tft4nZD9jbPSKWFmgjqYgZAEWQ+cBJwKCM3jsDl8wO0gAKqmWCSuaBzz3180CdbaEzb8 YoGdYcGBbc/Vg6ts2VOZDLIiYy3lnbMLRxkUQRF38A5eXNK460hDkXBpY96ymKewHfEM oP5j/qbBrTJ55w/DJm8bLGiCWSsuSz/r0LPiBU6qagVIkO2x7ceSNIZ6pldmZ2s6QoJM 7Ehnx7Nil8W3aO3kWcsqJ1RGKO8NJTiHrpIxXxR/NOzrT1UeQY74HXtuOXwG7YWL4HCH AfSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AqjWPSnPyidy5r9/xuVs1QHbAcxYIWX9i4VAiPgChR8=; b=iwjCbVTbCIBNOcVIzwelJ400MhmTwVmmmfgmoWuJtKrlveSfAoUGCE36ywHjvsVccQ lRmfuLkUYONLoJdmEwkoT6amRx2G+Fll+NFvQ9OvfN8FobqDYvkuND4mwKZ9DmcAeYHd kywhKTINORKpIIZqKTqgLNn0ZqxtdoLA3hgJ437hDeixfty0yOWwPpmMLzzzvyleBJ/z /SrbQGhzTHwtZ6gvmVwXtQ4FPyDwTS0m6f/3TDkv1eQzZQFMybG6gSo7UYjGJ50VEmCN FE1utEU40/ObHJF2s++3aMjhc0D4MfJ+7HuX20c449Ko6vzUfiswyEgyT4AeqA0XukhK NyXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVFKd0ErO0juyVWajO0YroEy5aL3VARpFls9TPHMGyBz2om0HqS +dDRnKlJfEh0j4B1OhVq0jXBYD9JuXvSL8SA2jHP9Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCzFdFHoizv4zbkDBYHeA0g6gxfox+JFnxgYNX8trWbvkkw6SdiPq3Oxc+B/k+Sf/1AwCEe9GoWi6D9f+5THEw= X-Received: by 10.31.158.138 with SMTP id h132mr342781vke.139.1507263918301; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 21:25:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.86.157 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 21:25:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20171005062919.88a3db9c.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20171005062919.88a3db9c.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 00:25:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [OT] Why did "enterprise" crap seem to win? (re: Virtualization, Java, Microsoft, Outsourcing, etc.)... To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 04:25:19 -0000 On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:29 AM, Polytropon wrote: > Allow me a few comments. It will be mostly statements from my > very limited individual point of view and experience. > > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 10:10:04 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: >> Why did C++ and Java seem win over C and shared object libraries? > > Java is the new COBOL, 'nuff said. > [...] > > The reason is simple: Good work doesn't pay. > Seems that now I have a lot of work to comb through this thread and pick out the gems in all the great feedback, but this one in particular struck a very strong chord with me. This email from which I'm writing is from a moribund company which I founded around 10 years ago in which we developed some amazing technology for a few companies, some of which went on to be pretty successful, although our humble little company failed in the end. The fundamental reason we failed is because nobody was really willing to pay for great work. Our business model was flawed from the start because we gave our customers a lot more than they were paying us, and the competition would deliver mediocre crap (at best) for more money, and our customers didn't really care either way. They never really understood our passion and elegance, and in retrospect, I get it now. How could they really "get it"? For example when I would talk passionately about FreeBSD and mod_perl and 6,000 concurrent requests per server, the answer was like "well what do you think about WSO2, I heard some XYZ company from Wall Street uses that"... shouldn't we be moving towards that architecture?" Honestly, what can you answer to that? where do you even begin to explain? I mean, what part of 6K request per node didn't you get? We were the underdogs, selling something that nobody really wanted to buy: great work. In the end customers don't really care about good technology or elegant systems. All they care about is eye candy and buzz words. So I finally gave in, and sold what was left of our team to one of our customers that did really well, and we continue to do the best work we possibly can, but sadly limited within the realm of "enterprise" system development, and out of all things in f-cking Java. In my particular case, it's a means to an end to eventually move on to my next little startup, because I surely don't want to spend the rest of my time on this planet with this enterprise bullshit. Warmest regards to all! And a heartfelt thank you for confirming that I am not the only one frustrated about all this. -- Alex