From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 16 15:07:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A5133D024 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 15:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cknipe@savage.za.org) Received: from mail-yb1-xb30.google.com (mail-yb1-xb30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49mWlc43fhz47Hm for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 15:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cknipe@savage.za.org) Received: by mail-yb1-xb30.google.com with SMTP id j202so10967554ybg.6 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:07:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=savage-za-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+5YdLMNItO+PUSXuIRNacblmdXi/pKoq5Yhh673pZAk=; b=bfk+OiybvLPDt22ydtc9Q8E11VbJgtI/9hibPPUr9kwdM2gb32+XGloHx5AczyUk1X 06t2apZZDoDjavaGSxgRjCa8qlYV0nVDshxfpWCGQh5z4MVIvD7UHlEVUNKDKik1xoFy qHcHYXcSUFsn5YXIgBO/EdJMmafJaf92EB0THRm/sEWfaZEQqjf8A3Nj3f0p/VgSTUN2 0jaMewzbVU/vp/gfoDsrwmPif0bIbUqTccF+kcfFaJ9+Hf4G+mqNd1zGwr3efuPv+D4F 17bz5ELRkkOKG5YGhwgWWa2Q1I2OskHM9OkuRlTXDMOuzUc71xjGzsU66xwg1qw7TtHM WaHg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+5YdLMNItO+PUSXuIRNacblmdXi/pKoq5Yhh673pZAk=; b=KauSEQ+Dx85FK5kWAjCymAagi/B16LYAUbxfwkCRwWJb3WZjk1L/VdvUtaxik98Qqw xNJMbLJxudsXYKRsWdgOIHRe/S98kSGkCd9H0SKFVl5nJ3+W8UkRVlON6jueAl9BXJk5 RRfJooDFQfuBSM9XpQdhZbawxfn51ew2lIdwH0xpO99jn2F0RV/Rp3LKz1xzHt8dur3T ij+RP3QiQ6tFj6JlkeOAIQBe6m3mBHJz+DIjCIzQnUKOq7ZIuFz8TpGfqN6LE/kotBiY SfvfEX5CgNTLfg2GQUZuhfzwMfZRlEpoJ/hHPM2R340C1xexZ6Usl27KjeST189jLvIm AItA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531wu9bzBB4u1HtbJW9y4dDE3F7hPgrIduI4KjpK6XHuKeavbfib l+tVPa2lBZYgyb94qh0LhpZ2DlwFaWLZmKcFM7xo6w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxFnpDPGV5v9URPhOQ99gl3Q69gxFWln/4Sxd4q4BifUWy0as7SH+yGNzvHCGnjGTGwonIu+fd53gBJB2XYbXI= X-Received: by 2002:a25:400e:: with SMTP id n14mr4424677yba.424.1592320059794; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:07:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200613154409.GA89618@neutralgood.org> <13115.1592302784@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20200616071153.00006f4d@seibercom.net> <20200616075548.000066f1@seibercom.net> <20200616140416.bd7b8bf2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616142043.7d599458.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616092901.000002f7@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: From: Chris Knipe Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:07:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49mWlc43fhz47Hm X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=savage-za-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=bfk+Oiyb; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cknipe@savage.za.org designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=cknipe@savage.za.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[savage-za-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.043]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.019]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[savage.za.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[savage-za-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.72)[-0.724]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[savage@savage.za.org,cknipe@savage.za.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[savage@savage.za.org,cknipe@savage.za.org] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 15:07:41 -0000 > > > Unless some program was hard coded for it then the code is different. In > many legacy applications such hard codings were made to maximize > performance and/or some other reason. It is these legacy applications > that in many cases make it so the doctor's office refuses to upgrade > (usually some ancient accounting or lab management program that would cost > an arm and a leg to replace/if replaceable at all [some medical devices are > not made any more but are still in use in many doctors offices]). Public > hospitals are even worse off in terms of funding and unless serious help > from the government is forthcoming are almost certain to be unable to > upgrade to something that doesn't require an ancient TTY 33A, DEC VT100 or > something like that to be connected (they are physically incapable of > interfacing to anything else). A good case in point is the "new improved" > ventilators that Trump sent to Elmhurst Hospital (here in Queens) where > incompatible with the pre-HL7 EMR they had and that's why the governor had > to ask for more (and agent orange haid [Trump] refused because he has the > same "newer is better" attitude you have... oh and he is also an all around > idiot). > > TL;dr -- You often have very little if any choice IRL about what tech is > actually in place and 24x80 is a universal lowest common denominator and > thus it should be kept. > > Again - what does this have to do with email and 80 characters? You don't read your email on a heart monitor, do you? -- Regards, Chris Knipe